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Magnus Card Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.29 21:17:00 - [31] Originally by: Kaptein Trefot I did indeed EM tank and I started warping out as soon as the second group spawned. I had 2 invunls, a therm and a em hardeners all teck II and a gisti B booster and the ship popped in about 20-30 seconds. I couldnt warp as I was scrambled (the ship didnt warp at least). And alltho its a bit hard to remember right now I dont think I killed more than 1 ship before the respawn and it suddenly got very very bad. Don't kill the Merc BSes. Kill the cruisers first and once you kill a BS you should get the spawn to happen. You can take advantage of this and make sure to get some good distance before killing a BS. <---- mods please fix the pic
Moyra Rumsfeld	Posted - 2006.11.29 22:53:00 - [32] Originally by: Kaptein Trefot Edited by: Kaptein Trefot on 29/11/2006 14:35:17 Originally by: Jiekon Originally by: Kaptein Trefot Originally by: Zrakor I can't edit the rewards myself, there is a system in place that decides the rewards and part of the formula is how long the average player takes on completing them. This unfortunately means that when new missions are released they have very shoddy rewards, wait a few days and the system will correct that. There should of course be a way for us to configure the starting rewards 'until' the system has found a stable number, but quite frankly there are about 2 hundred other feature requests that I would like to see implemented first . Well this info should be made perfectly clear to any player running new missions. I cant believe that you dont make sure this is public knowledge to even the newest players when releasing a new patch. If I had any idea that there is no correlation between rewards and difficulty for new missions I would, of course, never had accepted it. I cant believe that such vital information hasnt been made public for every new player to see. This has been public knowledge ever since the dynamic system was implemented. So you think it should be obvious for new players how the reward system works from the info that is relativly easy to get your hands on? Do you have a link that shows this info? I can't hear that "new players"-whine anymore. If you are new, go do lvl 3 missions. You can't expect that evry new player can do evry lvl 4 mission after few weeks of playing. Gain some expirience first, learn how to fit and tank a ship, and don't drop in unknown mission and then start a whinage when you lost your ship. If they are too hard you are to weak. Do courier missions or get back to lvl 3 missions or wellknown lvl 4s if you are a "new player".
o0Ethan0o	Posted - 2006.11.29 23:16:00 - [33] Edited by: o0Ethan0o on 29/11/2006 23:18:38 Originally by: Draconia Blackheart Edited by: Draconia Blackheart on 29/11/2006 10:58:57 Thats about the same as the mission I tried, "The Blockade" (also in a Raven) And this is a LEVEL 2 Mission, within about 2 mins there are about 100 ships around. Shield gone and armour damaged before warped out (With Large Shield Booster on and Invulerabilty Shield on) CAP could keep up with the drain but not the damage (I'm Resistances -25% EM, -70% Explos, -%55 Ken and -40% TM with boasts on) Reward? 36K and 31K Bonus...NO WORTH IT!!! I just got given this to try in my Rupture, everything was going fine till the second wave spawned, then the third, then the fourth...I had to warp out 6 times, last time down to 50% structure. Thought it was just because ima nub. Got to say it was a rush though, just wish I could get the loot from the ships I killed, but I think at this point Im telling my agent thanks but no thanks. Id love to know just how many waves spawn in this mission.
Iudex Caldari CaIdari Navy	Posted - 2006.11.29 23:23:00 - [34] Originally by: Zrakor There is a trick to completing this mission with less hassle. I'll give you two hints: 1) There are 2 spawns in it. The 2nd spawn does not arrive until you destroy a certain type of npc. 2) You do not need to destroy all of the npcs to complete the mission. Hehe thanks for the hints, did the mission again now with this - and it was pretty easy this time. Warped in at 70km (not sure if there was a diffrence from warping in to 0 km like last time), killed those mercenary wingmans (as it's beautfil when cruises hit em with 300 when they approach fast) and then one of those battelships. Than shadow and his goons(funny name btw, did you have a certain alliance in mind here ?) warped in. I only killed shadow himself and voila, mission ready, warped out fast. Took like under 10 minutes this time, the cap was over 70%, so a quite save thing. The report you need from shadow's lootcan can be bought on market for peanuts (they sell in bulks at many stations) - so i'd say it's a nice mission, if payment will go up in next time it will be one of my favourites
Megadon Caldari Deathshead Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.29 23:39:00 - [35] I killed them all. More came and... I killed them all. It was a challenge though... NOT. muahahahahhahaha
Draconia Blackheart Disciples of the Underverse	Posted - 2006.11.30 00:45:00 - [36] Well, to be honest I couldn't care less about mission difficulty or 'challange' just another to add to the list of 'Refuse when givin'. I only do missions for faction rating due to the RIDICULOUS one you have to have for an Empire POS. So as along as my agent rating allows me to do the RIDICULOUS 16 Missions you have to do to get a teeny little jump in faction rating..thats the way it is ---
Alcair Dovienya Thanos and Killjoy Productions Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.30 04:07:00 - [37] I am just about finished this mission- I have 5 or 6 BS left to kill (from both spawns combined) and I'm done. Saving Shadow for last, but the rest have gone done easily enough. I've had to warp out twice, but nothing to panic about. Armour resists are all in the 60-73% range, and using just one large t2 repper on a Mega. I can't see the trouble with this one. It's not as difficult as some of the other lvl IV missions around, and the rewards were low, but this isn't the first mission to appear where you get ambushed and the rewards don't match the grief. I haven't checked the loot yet, but those BS Overlords typically drop one or two useful items. shrug - hasn't seemed that bad so far...
Rado Caldarian	Posted - 2006.11.30 10:12:00 - [38] ccp, Thank you for this mission, I almost lost yesterday my navy raven. I was realy surprised when other ships were shown from nowhere, but for longer time it was pleasure for me to do missions.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.30 11:05:00 - [39] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 30/11/2006 11:19:01 Originally by: Jiekon Originally by: Kaptein Trefot Originally by: Zrakor I can't edit the rewards myself, there is a system in place that decides the rewards and part of the formula is how long the average player takes on completing them. This unfortunately means that when new missions are released they have very shoddy rewards, wait a few days and the system will correct that. Well this info should be made perfectly clear to any player running new missions. This has been public knowledge ever since the dynamic system was implemented. Sorry, Jiekon, but in reality that is not public knowledge. I have discovered it in the last month, after 6 month of play, from a casual remark of another player in forum. I have done a research with all the keyword I could think of and perused the DEV blog from late 2005 onward and I have found only some other casual reference, never a clear information. I have puzzled it togheter from the different sources, but I like to surf the EVE forum. A new player will have really a hard time knowing it, as it is not cleary stated in the basic information sites. If he isn't informed by older players (who often don't bother or don't remember the importance of this little information) he has no hint that there is a similar notion. Ad if you don't know that something similar is possible you don't have a motivation to search the information. Sorry again, I don't mean it as a flame but only as a suggestion to put it in some of the information on missions. I like a lot the work I have seen so far on the new missions, and and appalud you on it.

Zrakor	Posted - 2006.11.30 14:26:00 - [40] Originally by: Kaptein Trefot Can you show me a link to this info? And besides shouldnt it be obvious that new players would need to know that new missions has no reward - difficulty correlation? We are sorry for not making this obvious enough for new players, it was an oversight on our part. I will ask our patch notes people to have a short mention of this next time (if I remember, I'm only human after all!).


Kamazani Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.11.30 15:27:00 - [41] Originally by: Zrakor Originally by: Kaptein Trefot Can you show me a link to this info? And besides shouldnt it be obvious that new players would need to know that new missions has no reward - difficulty correlation? We are sorry for not making this obvious enough for new players, it was an oversight on our part. I will ask our patch notes people to have a short mention of this next time (if I remember, I'm only human after all!). <hug> don't let the big bad bears get to you... you rock! (and yes i'm a brown noser) --------------------------- by: GinoShin on 21/11/2006 11:41:44 whats evemon is it like a jamican wiseman?
Alejandro Zapata Minmatar PAK	Posted - 2006.11.30 15:57:00 - [42] ZRAKOR! Don't apologize to them! It's not your responsibility to hold the hand of every baby that wants to do a mission. Just like all of us, they need to research, they need to practice trial and error. Keep up the good work, keep throwing us curve balls. MORE MISSIONS! Babies be ****ed.
theghosthunter	Posted - 2006.11.30 16:24:00 - [43] I have just finished this mission solo in my Raven, didnt have any trouble with it at all and didnt need to warp out once
GTSI	Posted - 2006.11.30 16:34:00 - [44] I havent had this mission yet but i am looking forward to it...for ages people have been whining about missions recurring all the time and them being too easy, now ccp throw a few challenging missions at us and suddenly its "OMFG I CANT SOLO THIS WHILE IM ASLEEP IN AN IBIS WTF!!!!!!" if you want to pwn everything and feel good about yourself go ratting in 0.6 in a raven and be happy, if you wanna run missions get some balls and go work out the best way. Respect to CCP for waking us mission runners up at last!!
Kaptein Trefot Caldari Calista Industries	Posted - 2006.11.30 17:05:00 - [45] Originally by: Alejandro Zapata ZRAKOR! Don't apologize to them! It's not your responsibility to hold the hand of every baby that wants to do a mission. Just like all of us, they need to research, they need to practice trial and error. Keep up the good work, keep throwing us curve balls. MORE MISSIONS! Babies be ****ed. The point <----------------------------------------------------------------> You Luckily that was not the case for the game admins.
Frogsley Babylon. Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2006.11.30 20:36:00 - [46] The second wave appearing after I popped one of the battleships was quite a shock. Slightly more of a shock was the god-like amount of EM damage I started taking on my raven. Ouch! Resulted in my first warp out in a while :) At least I'll know what to prepare for next time. I'd like to second the request for a little less scenery in the mission too. Until you find a way to fill up my screen without causing vast amounts of lag (and before I'm told to upgrade my 286, my computer runs eq2 just fine with all sorts of tomfoolery active) keeping it simple is probably best. Was a fun mission!
MMXMMX Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.30 23:50:00 - [47] Objective Destroy the thief, loot the reports, and bring them back to your agent.: Objective completed I replaced 2 of the 4 BCU with 2 times PDU and jumpt into the mission . I killd them all . The mission is ok but the bounty sucks big time :( 500 - Internal Error The server was unable to process your request. Support personel has been notified, no further action is needed.
El Muerte	Posted - 2006.12.01 00:14:00 - [48] Bahh lost my lil Raven with it's t2 gear in less then 20 secs after the shadow spawn. Will definitely have to try this again
Dragon Lord	Posted - 2006.12.01 00:42:00 - [49] yeh my corpy just got ftw pwned as he warped in, got bad lag, when lag went he was in pod, not nice. I warped in with my faction fitted cnr also got nasty lag for a minute or so, buthad my booster on so was ok, they mass aggro and hit quite hard i can see how any lag would kill normal fitted ships. I use 2 dread invuls a pith b photon and a pith b thermal oh and a pith b boost amp and gist x-xl booster yeh expensive but it keeps my cnr safe.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.01 08:32:00 - [50] Edited by: Nez Perces on 01/12/2006 08:36:27 Actually this mission is quite simple to complete even in a standard techII raven... what makes it easy is the fact that its not actually in dead space. See you can make a bkmrk whilst in the mission, warp out and then warp back in to the bkmrk to get distance from the shadow spawn. ABC. P.S The bad news is that none of the wrecks give salvage components :/ ... loot aint too bad though, most ships drop some mods = nice minerals from recycling.

Caldari Citizen 6524	Posted - 2006.12.01 10:03:00 - [51] Hey it's a good thing missions (at least at start) have an element of surprize... Like many others i too lost a ship to it (bout a bilion in the trashcan) but hey! it's not their fault...when you go into combat be prepaired for the worst:P i could have survived easily IF i only had approached the mission with caution and not sat there happily killing the first spawn:P when i later came in with my simple T2 fitted tempest it was no problem at all (well i warped to 100km lol) So all in all i think that a little loss now and then more or less spices mission running up (for a few days) and gives you some motive to earn some more ISK to replace the losses hehe OK...gotta run now earn me a bilion ISK...(lots of things to kill)
Tiger Ma	Posted - 2006.12.01 11:06:00 - [52] You can add me to the list of people who are feeling foolish after losing a ship. Sure, lag didn't make things easier, but I lost my Raven because I didn't know what i was doing and acted as though no mission really posed me any risk. Replacing the gear hurts, but hey! At least this was jus a regular Raven with T2 equipment. I expect I'd be feeling a bit worse if it had been a CNR with faction stuff. 8-) And yes, I was also fooled by the low LP and bonus time window. 8-) I'm not sure I'd known about the dynamic reward system... it does sound familiar now that you've all reminded me. Not a mistake I'll make again! Summary: Of course I'm not thrilled with losing a lot of stuff, but I take a lot of consolation in knowing it wasn't for the "wrong" reasons (bugs, terrible lag, bad game design). A relatively cheap lesson to learn. Well worth losing my complacency for.
Marcus Brook D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.12.01 12:07:00 - [53] Originally by: Zrakor (if I remember, I'm only human after all!). Lies !!
Fjellu Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.01 19:53:00 - [54] Originally by: MMXMMX LOL so we need a navy raven with a Gist B-Type XL shield booster to pul this of ? I wil love to do it :) It sounds like lots of bounty Hehe. I would say Gist-X. Unfortunately I posted a new thread before turning to page 2 before I saw this one. If you are too comfy in your own ways and thinking you are uber, you can loose a well fitted Navy Raven. I almost did. But kudos to CCP. I haven't had this kind of adrenaline rush for a really long time. I had my navy raven with full rack of Gist-X midslot mods down to 24% armour before I had killed enough enemies. This mission is not doable without an uber tanked ship. if not using any real good warp-out, BM, or sumtin tactics. Next time I will kill off 2nd spawn cruiser first. Think that is only thing I know so far.
KaptnSparrow Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.02 09:16:00 - [55] whats your problem with this mission, I just did the level IV mission in a drake with acceptable skills. so please let it as it is, at least one challenging mission in this game! Just reconsider the approach for this mission, the raven is not always the best choice! ...show me a mission which I can;t do with my current drake and you get my drake for free! i was used to be ceo and now I have nothing to say, this is so relaxing :)
Miri Tirzan Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.02 09:52:00 - [56] I have to admit, other than the wrecks having NO salvage it was a pretty easy mission. The only time I had an issue with it was when I had CTD with drones out. Once I logged back in and got automatically warped back into the battle, I had no drones to kill the friggies. That did force me to leave after killing everything else to get more drones to kill the frigges but then I dont do missions in a Raven. Navy Apoc with lots of skills for the win. My base ~80% resists to everything means I dont have to adjust my tank for the mission, I just go and kill what ever is there. svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
Lockheed19	Posted - 2006.12.02 11:32:00 - [57] Originally by: Shinshi Casoyako ...you sir are an idiot sir.... Now, was there really any need for typing that? Seriously, all that ever does is pi** people off and that's your first sentence. Leghumper.
Lockheed19	Posted - 2006.12.02 11:36:00 - [58] Originally by: Shinshi Casoyako ...The words of zrakor are simple.. ....hump, hump, hump, hump.... Right, wideboy, here's a tip: Your man Zrakor, only came in here to recommend and advise AFTER the OP posted his thread. And btw, Zrakor didn't elect to use rude or insulting language did he now? So, there's YOUR first lesson. Be polite at all times. Hell, you never know, they may let you moderate an ickle lickle forum all of your own.
Lockheed19	Posted - 2006.12.02 11:38:00 - [59] Originally by: KaptnSparrow whats your problem with this mission, I just did the level IV mission in a drake with acceptable skills. so please let it as it is, at least one challenging mission in this game! Just reconsider the approach for this mission, the raven is not always the best choice! ...show me a mission which I can;t do with my current drake and you get my drake for free! KaptnSparrow, Yeah? You have done most of the lvl 4's in a Drake? Cool, nice one. Any major difficulties? I've only just picked one up and haven't taken it out on a lvl4 yet, but will do soon.
Lockheed19	Posted - 2006.12.02 11:40:00 - [60] Originally by: Caldari Citizen 6524 Hey it's a good thing missions (at least at start) have an element of surprize... Like many others i too lost a ship to it (bout a bilion in the trashcan) but hey! it's not their fault...when you go into combat be prepaired for the worst:P i could have survived easily Citizen 6524, Well said mate, well said. It's never easy to take a loss like that on the chin, but fair play to you for posting it.



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