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6Bagheera9
Shadows of the Dead
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 16:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Alowishus
8x 1200mm2
1x XL Shield Booster 2
2x Invulnerability Field
1x Fleeting Disruptor
1x Heavy Electrochemical Cap Booster
1x Large Shield Extender 2
3x Gyro 2
1x Damage Control
1x PDU 2
4x Ogre 2
I can't check fitting right now. I think that's a pretty mean setup right there, how an Arty ship is supposed to be (just cause you fit Arties doesn't mean you need to snipe from 120km out).
This looks like a start. But I'd try to upgrade to 1400mm IIs, swap the scrambler/extender/cap booster for thermal II/ sensor booster II/tracking comp II, and then fit another pdu II or an rcu II (if needed) in place of the dcu. The kicker would be to use quake/emp ammo and focus on slugging it out in the 50-100km range. That could produce murderous damage and a decent tank.
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.11.29 17:07:00 -
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imo maelstorm fails in everything starting for its supposed role
it was supposed to be a fleet ship but have not the range/dps or defence to compete with rokh or even the abaddon
as a close range ship it can mount a big tank but again its dps is quite low and have not the speed to dictate/close up range.
in a gang a phoon will do more damage with more versatility so it will be better
solo it have to use midslots for web, mwd, scram = crap tank and is very expensive
for mission again phoon will be waaaay better...
it can be used as an ew boat, as many other (and better) ships or with implants and full shield tank to show friends how its uber its tankage 
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Mr Bright
untaught
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:47:00 -
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My thoughts on the Mealstrom is simple:
It should never have been launched in its current state.
It has bonuses that doesn't fit with its stated usage and it have no area it truly dominate. To be honest its gimped from day one, since the shield boost bonus have already been proven to be inferior in general as well as in its intended role. It will even have to play second fiddle to the Tempest in fleet battles, and with the change in the abbadons bonus, it lead in alpha strike capability is almost removed.
The only saving grace for it, is its stunning model - shame it will be used to seldom.
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Alowishus
Shadow Company
Alektorophobia
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:53:00 -
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People don't think creatively. I remember when the Arma was "useless" and became "uber" WITH NO CHANGES. I remember when nobody used a Dominix except for mining, it is now the defacto solo PvP BS. I remember when a NosPhoon was cool and is now "useless" with no changes (and actually a boost, it finally got a missile bonus). You should all be ashamed for being so lame and sucking at Eve. I bet the biggest complainers haven't even killed anyone on TQ in the last month. I hate you all.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 29/11/2006 20:56:11
what to do with the maelstorm:
A: whine in the forums to get better bonuses for it (since day 1 since stats were released, people said that dmg + shield hp would be better for the intended fleet role of the ship)
B: buy the ship, refine it, and build a tempest. sell leftover minerals to fit said tempest.
C: glorified minmatar mining ship.
A doesn't work because people said it time and time again and it's still the same.
B is a bit waste of time tbh.
C is the best option.
and Alowishus, true that thinking out of the box might give the ship nice setups, but the tempest even does more damage than the maelstorm for a much cheaper cost in fitting and ship, so why bother?
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Originally by: Tiuwaz
for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons 
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Raste
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:58:00 -
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Sticking with the Tempest for fleet. May use Maelstrom as a bait-tank in a small gang at some point, but not with any frequency.
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Shinjuro
Solidline Enterprise
Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2006.11.29 21:28:00 -
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Fit mine with DG xlarge booster and amp. Have bs 5, currently training cybernetics 5. Will soon plug in a full crystal set. If I figured it right, I will be boosting 2000 shields. Once rigs come out, it will be one bad ****** ******.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.11.29 21:32:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 29/11/2006 21:38:01
Originally by: Alowishus
You should all be ashamed for being so lame and sucking at Eve. I bet the biggest complainers haven't even killed anyone on TQ in the last month. I hate you all.
I think you have been spending a bit too much time in the game.... or something... 
Hopefully you still remember it IS a game...
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.29 21:49:00 -
[39]
Edited by: Aramendel on 29/11/2006 21:49:32
Originally by: Grimpak
what to do with the maelstorm:
A: whine in the forums to get better bonuses for it (since day 1 since stats were released, people said that dmg + shield hp would be better for the intended fleet role of the ship)
B: buy the ship, refine it, and build a tempest. sell leftover minerals to fit said tempest.
C: glorified minmatar mining ship.
A doesn't work because people said it time and time again and it's still the same.
B is a bit waste of time tbh.
C is the best option.
You gain 1 ROFL mark: Collect 10 and you can trade them vs a Maelstrom.
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Still Hart
Aurora Empire
Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
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Posted - 2006.11.29 21:55:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Shinjuro
Fit mine with DG xlarge booster and amp. Have bs 5, currently training cybernetics 5. Will soon plug in a full crystal set. If I figured it right, I will be boosting 2000 shields. Once rigs come out, it will be one bad ****** ******.
What ever happened to all the talk about nerfing the crystal set? Don't want to get too excited about something that might not be around for long...
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Dromidas Shadowmoon
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Posted - 2006.11.29 22:07:00 -
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I won't be wasting money on a maelstrom any time soon.. I've been armor tank 100% so I've got a LOT of skills invested in it.
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Pesadel0
Vagabundos
THE H0RDE
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Posted - 2006.11.29 22:21:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Wrayeth
I'm not going to bother with the maelstrom. The tempest can do pretty much everything the mael can, but for 30 mil cheaper.
QFT,the new typhoon has been born.
Typhoon have much higher damage output than the Maelstrom, and with a much greater range as well. The only time I would use a Maelstrom is in gangs... giving up dps for the ability to tank a bit.
I was talking about the old phoon ,the one that was "broken" for 2 years and fixed awhile ago.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.11.29 22:27:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 29/11/2006 22:28:12
Originally by: Pesadel0
I was talking about the old phoon ,the one that was "broken" for 2 years and fixed awhile ago.
Ah yes. 
Well, lets give it time. But its a shame the ship isnt REALLY good, because minmatar could have used a ship everybody wanted. It would help the race grow stronger as more new players pick minmatar. They ARE the least used race in the game for a reason.
Next time a newbie asks what race to pick, I think the answers will be the same as always: gallente. And its a bit boring that there is no doubt about it.
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Zar Dim
Minmatar
Anus Horriblis
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Posted - 2006.11.29 22:35:00 -
[44]
A Maelstrom is fine.
The forum full of spineless whinnies.
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Osiris Occido
The Short Bus Squad
The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.11.29 22:37:00 -
[45]
I hereby am opening "Osi's Home for Mistreated Maelstroms". Please leave your ship and a note by the door. I'll be sure to find her a good home.
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Naim Obeji
Minmatar
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.29 22:37:00 -
[46]
Originally by: solidshot
it doesnt have the damage bonuses that the tempest has and you will have to pay for 2 extra 1400 2's thats part of the reason why a tempest is better, it might make a decent mining bs tho?
Finally...we Minmatar have a decent mining battleship.
/me hurries off to training Mining to Level 4.
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.11.29 23:22:00 -
[47]
Edited by: welsh wizard on 29/11/2006 23:22:08
The general consensus on the Maelstrom in my corp is alot higher. From what I've seen its a beast.
I think you need to fly the thing a bit more.
Originally by: anonymous
If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
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Agriel Kushrenada
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Posted - 2006.11.30 09:33:00 -
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I don't understand the complains about the maelstrom. Espacially not if you see that the stats are about the same as those of the rokh, while the rokh gets praised for it.
Aren't they both meant to strike from great distances? And doesn't the maelstrom have a lot more pwrgrid to play with (I know art guns take more pwrgrid but; 30% more need and the mael has 40% more then the rokh, not even taking AWU in account).
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm
Eternal Rangers of Terror
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Posted - 2006.11.30 09:45:00 -
[49]
Edited by: HankMurphy on 30/11/2006 09:46:11
hmmm... what do i think of the maelstrom....
well, i'll buy one. but i have alot of ships i dont fly....
honestly, if we were gonna just get more of the same i'd rather they just seeded the fleet pest for the tier 3
but, that would be a better ship... seriously, it shoulda been more like a machariel (not same bonus' or anything like that) w/ the speed. hell, gimme a nightmare slot layout of 5 turrets and 2 launchers. you can give it 7 highs for all i care. but we are supposed to be fast, and we get a brick.
we are supposed to be alpha strike, and yeah w/ 8 turrets it does have one, but its been said 100 times, its bonus' and stats dont fit. its subpar in almost every aspect compared to counterparts (both matar and other races). its a ship searching for its role, yes, the new typhoon. well... like i said, more of the same
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.30 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Agriel Kushrenada
I don't understand the complains about the maelstrom. Espacially not if you see that the stats are about the same as those of the rokh, while the rokh gets praised for it.
The rokh does not get praised for it's shieldtank or slot layout, but for it's *range*. Which is a lot higher than what all the other BSs can achieve. Including the maelstrom, it is there nothing special at all when compared to the mega, pest, etc.
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Epoch
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Posted - 2006.11.30 10:10:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Aramendel
Originally by: Agriel Kushrenada
I don't understand the complains about the maelstrom. Espacially not if you see that the stats are about the same as those of the rokh, while the rokh gets praised for it.
The rokh does not get praised for it's shieldtank or slot layout, but for it's *range*. Which is a lot higher than what all the other BSs can achieve. Including the maelstrom, it is there nothing special at all when compared to the mega, pest, etc.
exactly. its a real dissapointment such an incredible looking ship is a pos.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.11.30 10:15:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 30/11/2006 10:20:18
Originally by: Agriel Kushrenada
Aren't they both meant to strike from great distances?
Apparently not, since the Rohk has such a extreme range advantage AND a better tank. Look at the Rohk and the Maelstrom here.
The light blue line with Tremor is the max range of the Maelstrom. There is no ammo with more range. Spike allows Rohk to hit for full damage out to 200 km, while Tremor allows the Maelstrom to hit for full damage out to 110 km. While Tremor has more damage than Spike, the extra range for the Rohk is very unbalanced in my opinion.
The Rohk also has the same number of med slots as the Maelstrom. You would think that this extreme range advantage comes with some kind of disadvantage, but it doesnt.
Ive also showed the difference in range/damage for other damage types, where I think its kind of balanced, since both races have ammo they can use for shorter ranges, and those are kind of balanced.
The Rohk optimal range bonus needs a nerf. Its silly the way it is now.
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Agriel Kushrenada
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Posted - 2006.11.30 10:19:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 30/11/2006 10:17:00
Originally by: Agriel Kushrenada
Aren't they both meant to strike from great distances?
Apparently not, since the Rohk has such a extreme range advantage AND a better tank. Look at the Rohk and the Maelstrom here.
The light blue line with Tremor is the max range of the Maelstrom. There is no ammo with more range. Spike allows Rohk to hit for full damage out to 200 km, while Tremor allows the Maelstrom to hit for full damage out to 110 km. While Tremor has more damage than Spike, the extra range for the Rohk is very unbalanced in my opinion.
Ive also showed the difference in range/damage for other damage types, where I think its kind of balanced, since both races have ammo they can use for shorter ranges, and those are kind of balanced.
The Rohk optimal range bonus needs a nerf. Its silly the way it is now.
Ok, fair enough. But do battles, and PvP always occur at 200 Km's appart rather then 100. I mean it's not like you 'agree' with your enemy to start at 200.... Or am I missing something again (highly possible )
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.11.30 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: Agriel Kushrenada
Ok, fair enough. But do battles, and PvP always occur at 200 Km's appart rather then 100. I mean it's not like you 'agree' with your enemy to start at 200.... Or am I missing something again (highly possible)
AA
If you are in a Rohk, are you going to warp in at 200 km from the enemy where he cant reach you, or are you going to warp in at 100 km where he can? :)
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Lord Ghyros
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Posted - 2006.11.30 10:32:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
If you are in a Rohk, are you going to warp in at 200 km from the enemy where he cant reach you, or are you going to warp in at 100 km where he can? :)
Exactly my point. If you're in a Maelstrom are you gonna warp in at 200 where you cant hit him, or are you gonna warp in at 100 where you can, and should have just a little higher dps because of the ships bonus.
But your point is valid to of course, guess we'll have to wait till some major battles to see what works best.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.11.30 10:44:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 30/11/2006 10:44:57
Well, if the fight takes place at 90 km, the Rohk switch to Uranium and get the same damage as the Maelstrom. So looks to me there is no disadvantage of flying a Rohk. Its very versatile.
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Agriel Kushrenada
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Posted - 2006.11.30 10:55:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 30/11/2006 10:44:57
Well, if the fight takes place at 90 km, the Rohk switch to Uranium and get the same damage as the Maelstrom. So looks to me there is no disadvantage of flying a Rohk. Its very versatile.
hmm... I'm kinda out of arguments here.... ok, Rokh it is then .
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Royaldo
Old Farts
The Phantom Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.30 11:00:00 -
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hmm, i got a good tank on it, 8 1400's t2 and well... it even looked good.
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Exogene
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Posted - 2006.11.30 11:25:00 -
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I can only see it as a shield tanked AC platform (if you are like me and don't want to waste the ship bonus that is). Shield tanked turret snipers are just plain dumb.
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Bob ThePlumber
United Society Starfleet
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.30 11:49:00 -
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i'm with you Exogene...
i may get one as an AC boat (which i never use, if i'm in a BS ever its always setup for sniping) only time i ever use an AC ship is in friendly 1vs1 fights.
for now i'll stick with the tempest, costs far less, costs less to equip, and does very close to the same damage as a maelstrom, and with a couple of heavy assault launchers on it, the tempest will be better equipt to fend off tacklers. save my money and buy a couple of hurricanes instead.
-BTP
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