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Rhax
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Posted - 2006.11.29 12:17:00 -
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5 Low slots
6 Med slots
8 Hi slots -
- 3 Launchers
- 8 Turrets
100 m3 drone capacity - 550 m3 cargo
cap: 6000 - recharge 1250.00 sec
75km base targeting range - 90mm scan - 21 points Ladar - 460 Sig radius
Max velocity: 115m / sec
...Apart from all that, it's pretty much the same as a Tempest. What kind of load-out would you put on this, and what role do you see this ship playing in the game? On paper, looks like a really sweet long range hitter, versatile and equipped with the right points to use as a miner.
What do you think?
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Wrayeth
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.29 12:34:00 -
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I'm not going to bother with the maelstrom. The tempest can do pretty much everything the mael can, but for 30 mil cheaper.
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Rhax
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Posted - 2006.11.29 12:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Wrayeth
I'm not going to bother with the maelstrom. The tempest can do pretty much everything the mael can, but for 30 mil cheaper.
That's a surprising assessment of the Maelstrom, I think. With the extra grid, extra turrets, extra range, extra CPU - more shield boost, drone capacity (not much I know... but a small boost - 25m3) - it'd make a viable and pretty sturdy long range setup. Also, the extra CPU and grid means that it'd be a very capable mining BS...?
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Zephirz
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.11.29 12:57:00 -
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How would i go as a AC boat? It has easily enough grid to fit 8*800mm II probably more than enough room for a monster tank...?
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solidshot
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.11.29 12:58:00 -
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it doesnt have the damage bonuses that the tempest has and you will have to pay for 2 extra 1400 2's thats part of the reason why a tempest is better, it might make a decent mining bs tho?
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Epidemis
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Posted - 2006.11.29 12:58:00 -
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It's perfect for 8x Miner II
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solidshot
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.11.29 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Zephirz
How would i go as a AC boat? It has easily enough grid to fit 8*800mm II probably more than enough room for a monster tank...?
use a teir 3 amarr bs it'll be a much better ac boat than the mealstrom
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Imperil
Northern Intelligence
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 13:07:00 -
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*Laugh*
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Mila Prestoc
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Posted - 2006.11.29 13:14:00 -
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Two roles.
1 - Minny Miner for those who don't want to train another race.
2 - Ratter/Mission runner with arty + full shield tank yet is still worse than a Drake/Raven that takes 2 weeks to train for (not including missile skills).
For fleets you might as well use a Tempest. Cheaper ships. Save cost of 2 turrets. DPS difference and Alpha strike difference is minimal.
Close range... ok it could be a trap setup with a big tank, but for gangs you might as well use a Tempest, use EW/Tackling in mids and use ACs + seige to deal about the same as the Maelstrom does with AC's...
Solo... I don't see it working since you need 3 of 6 mids on propulsion + tackling which a Tempest or Typhoon can do better.
ie. its a bad ship and not in minny style. 
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Alowishus
Shadow Company
Alektorophobia
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Posted - 2006.11.29 13:15:00 -
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8x 1200mm2
1x XL Shield Booster 2
2x Invulnerability Field
1x Fleeting Disruptor
1x Heavy Electrochemical Cap Booster
1x Large Shield Extender 2
3x Gyro 2
1x Damage Control
1x PDU 2
4x Ogre 2
I can't check fitting right now. I think that's a pretty mean setup right there, how an Arty ship is supposed to be (just cause you fit Arties doesn't mean you need to snipe from 120km out).
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.11.29 13:16:00 -
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Comparing it to the Rohk leaves me with 0 advantages for the Maelstrom Im afraid.
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Sandra Tseng
THE MISPHIT'S
Kurai Komichi
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Posted - 2006.11.29 13:18:00 -
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It is just funnt as it is a Minmatar ship (which are very versatile in general) and it also says that it is upposed to be very versatile in its description - still it has a SHIELD BOOST BONUS???
WTF? So all us minnies who armortank gets screwed... yay for versatility.
Tempest and phoon are more versatile ffs.
Hate those Shieldboost bonuses for minmatar ships :(
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.11.29 13:20:00 -
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You shouldnt buy into that versatility thing... gallente ships are more versatile. Myrmidon is more versatile (and more powerful) than the hurricane, Hyperion is more versatile than the Maelstrom, Dominix is more versatile than the Typhoon etc...
So if you want versatility, you should train gallente to be honest.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.11.29 13:21:00 -
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The new missions seem to need even stronger tanking, so the phoon is still the better choice at half the cost. Shield tanking sounds good, but the ship has to overcome a couple of issues a missile boat doesn't have.
Maelstrom looks a bit better than the pest, but not good enough to drive me to use it instead for any purpose.
Maelstrom is a cemented brick in space, or navigates like one. Not good for a close range ship.
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JoeT
Amarr
Short Attention Span
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Posted - 2006.11.29 13:22:00 -
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I like it =)
But i have only fought a couple on sisi after kali was patched. 8 AC's with that ROF hurts
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Imhotep Khem
Total Mayhem.
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Posted - 2006.11.29 13:30:00 -
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Edited by: Imhotep Khem on 29/11/2006 13:31:28
ROFL. Tier 3 mining BS. Too true.
1. It will do ever so slightly more sniping DPS than the tempest. For the cost its hardly worth it.
2. Short range is no better. It does superior DPS to the tempest. And will have a superior tank vs. Megathron due to shield resistances. But its tank is not sustainable since it needs those high slots for its DPS and can't NOS. Actually, it will probably work out better to fit 2 NOS and ignore those extra 2 turret slots since cap is king. Giving cap to your enemy is simply death.
What we have here is a shield tanking Tempest. Its not worth a penny more if you ask me. Its just different, not better.
P.S. Don't even point this thing at our arch-enemy. Just as well self-destruct.
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Rhax
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Posted - 2006.11.29 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
8x 1200mm2
1x XL Shield Booster 2
2x Invulnerability Field
1x Fleeting Disruptor
1x Heavy Electrochemical Cap Booster
1x Large Shield Extender 2
3x Gyro 2
1x Damage Control
1x PDU 2
4x Ogre 2
(just cause you fit Arties doesn't mean you need to snipe from 120km out).
Interesting setup ideas there. Something tells me though that this boat was intended to sit at extreme range to pop 8x volleys into the mix. - Or, it was made as a mining BS option to fill a gap in demand... ? 
Originally by: Sandra Tseng
It is just funnt as it is a Minmatar ship (which are very versatile in general) and it also says that it is upposed to be very versatile in its description - still it has a SHIELD BOOST BONUS???
WTF? So all us minnies who armortank gets screwed... yay for versatility.
Tempest and phoon are more versatile ffs.
Hate those Shieldboost bonuses for minmatar ships :(
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Yep... I was definitely surprised when the CCP devs mentioned that Minmater was in the same tanking category as Caldari.  I also much prefer armour tanking here, rather than shield tanks. Lot of negative feedback on this boat so far, and that's kind of worrying - after all a T3 BS should be better at Battle than what came before it... - not just another option for mining.
Thanks for the replies so far, some interesting points of view to take on board here.
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Lexor SLice
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.29 13:41:00 -
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8x 800 II
1x XL booster
1x DG amp
2x invul II
1x Photon II
1x Heavy injector
3x gyro II
2x pdu II
4x ogre II in the bay.
atm its the only setup i can find thats even remotley usefull.
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Arktaos
Minmatar
The Bratwurst Burglars
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Posted - 2006.11.29 13:42:00 -
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This ship really only ahs one good thing going for it, as i see it - gang warfare.
In gang warfare it can fit a speed mod, uber tank and full rack of 800mm AC's.
For solo or long-range fleet work, the best setup would be like this:
Sell Maelstorm
Buy tempest
Buy fittings for tempest
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Mila Prestoc
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Posted - 2006.11.29 13:44:00 -
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Oh and I still like how months ago Tux admitted the bonus wasn't good. Yet he found time to change nearly every other new ship besides this one, something he himself said was poor.
The fact its a bonus that was deemed not good enough for Caldari says it all...
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Originally by: "Lord Violent"
EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.11.29 13:47:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 29/11/2006 13:48:29
Originally by: Mila Prestoc
Oh and I still like how months ago Tux admitted the bonus wasn't good. Yet he found time to change nearly every other new ship besides this one, something he himself said was poor.
Actually, they didnt change ANY of the tier 3 battleships afaik, just the battle cruisers. And with all the comments about how Tux admitted that, he will NEVER EVER do that again which is a shame...
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Dixon
Caldari
Hells Donkeys
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Posted - 2006.11.29 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 29/11/2006 13:48:29
Originally by: Mila Prestoc
Oh and I still like how months ago Tux admitted the bonus wasn't good. Yet he found time to change nearly every other new ship besides this one, something he himself said was poor.
Actually, they didnt change ANY of the tier 3 battleships afaik, just the battle cruisers. And with all the comments about how Tux admitted that, he will NEVER EVER do that again which is a shame...
The Abaddon had a bonus change (dmg instead of rof) and the Hyperion had several changes, but none after it hit sisi.
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as long as there will be such umbalance there is no hope to make ships balanced...
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Mila Prestoc
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Posted - 2006.11.29 13:54:00 -
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Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 29/11/2006 13:55:36
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 29/11/2006 13:48:29
Originally by: Mila Prestoc
Oh and I still like how months ago Tux admitted the bonus wasn't good. Yet he found time to change nearly every other new ship besides this one, something he himself said was poor.
Actually, they didnt change ANY of the tier 3 battleships afaik, just the battle cruisers. And with all the comments about how Tux admitted that, he will NEVER EVER do that again which is a shame...
I didn't say BS's. 
To be exact they changed stuff on 5 of 8 new ships while on test not including dev blog changes when we didn't have access to them.
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Originally by: "Lord Violent"
EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.11.29 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Mila Prestoc
To be exact they changed stuff on 5 of 8 new ships while on test not including dev blog changes when we didn't have access to them.
They did? I know they changed the Myrmidon, Hurricane, Drake and Harbinger... ah, thats right, they changed the Abaddon bonus as well.
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar
The Nest
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:24:00 -
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As a sniper its missing something. Its damage is kinda poor compared to the tempest. The 1200 II setup is rubbish unless you are a mission runner or low sec pirate.
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar
Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: Twilight Moon on 29/11/2006 14:49:43
Had a go with it on SISI...slapped in a Sniper setup, and cant say I was overly impressed with the damage output of it...
...so took it back to the hangar and stuck A/C's on it....and once again, wasnt overly impressed. Its fat, slow, and has a tank bonus to shield boost, which just doesn't work great on an A/C ship.
I reckon I like the Tempest better. Mael has a cool ship model though, shame really. It could have been much better with a passive tank bonus, like +% resists, or +% shield HP.
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Alowishus
Shadow Company
Alektorophobia
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi
As a sniper its missing something. Its damage is kinda poor compared to the tempest. The 1200 II setup is rubbish unless you are a mission runner or low sec pirate.
Used to run a shield tanked/1200 Tempest that'd kill anything in PvP. Granted, this was with 6x Gyros when such a thing was valid. It was actually pretty uber, the 1200s with EMP would hit well from 8km-40km. Dunno about them now, I don't fly BS because they are too expensive for something so slow and vulnerable.
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.11.29 16:23:00 -
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The Maelstrom is a great looking ship. Too bad it sucks.
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Pesadel0
Vagabundos
THE H0RDE
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Posted - 2006.11.29 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
I'm not going to bother with the maelstrom. The tempest can do pretty much everything the mael can, but for 30 mil cheaper.
QFT,the new typhoon has been born.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.11.29 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Wrayeth
I'm not going to bother with the maelstrom. The tempest can do pretty much everything the mael can, but for 30 mil cheaper.
QFT,the new typhoon has been born.
Typhoon have much higher damage output than the Maelstrom, and with a much greater range as well. The only time I would use a Maelstrom is in gangs... giving up dps for the ability to tank a bit.
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