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Captain Semper
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2015.07.06 07:23:36 -
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Hello everyone,
I want to ask the CCP to share with us some interesting statistics.
We all see that number of players going down and reason of this not a point of this thread. Of course we are all worried about our favorite game.
So.
How many active subscribers has EVE?
What is the average number of unique players per day (if 1 man have 3 accounts this doesnt mean that it is 3 unique players)? We do not need the exact figures. It can be something like "each player have 1.3 accounts" and etc.
Can you show us a bit of trust and share this statistics?
I believe that Eve did not die at all. But the other is no such certainty. Let's give it to them  |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1020
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Posted - 2015.07.06 07:37:09 -
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They stopped doing this for a while now.
Also: https://www.themittani.com/news/ccp-goes-dark-company-financials
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
722
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Posted - 2015.07.06 08:41:48 -
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http://marketsforisk.blogspot.com/2014/09/a-new-angle-on-plex-perhaps.html
Here's something else for your jimmies. 
To my knowledge, CCP have got all private, so there is no requirement to release any of the performance metrics to the public.
...And they all crave one thing - ISK. ¤
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
16335
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Posted - 2015.07.06 10:16:53 -
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Everyone is playing ships while we wait for fozziesov.
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Feu dAstres
Nox Draconum Holding Corp
Nox Draconum
58
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Posted - 2015.07.06 10:35:13 -
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At least those who insist on hard numbers now have the counter in the hangar view for their ship-spinning pleasure.  |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
3036
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Posted - 2015.07.06 10:58:05 -
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baltec1 wrote:Everyone is playing ships while we wait for fozziesov.
Actually i'm playing FIFA15 and dragon age ... 
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
264
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Posted - 2015.07.06 11:31:13 -
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Obviously the numbers are bad else they would share them and hold tjhem up on a gaint stick and tout them about.
Also you can find 2014 eve financial report on fail-heap challenge eve forums and reddit.
Tldr it aint good and they just write off debt and vampire mmo
Spock logic states if the numbers were good, we the players and the media would know them |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
264
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Posted - 2015.07.06 11:34:33 -
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Ccp 2014 Company financials.
Past year
Most recent data
http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?19641-CCP-2014-Financials
Sorry to burst your little optimism bubble. Also fromt hat thread dude summed some of the data up from the IRS.
Quote:
CCP Employment:
603 - 2010, December
553 - 2013, September
508 - 2013, December
339 - 2014, December (FML that bloodletting.)
Revenues down ~10% from 2013 to 2014 in all locations. (North America, Europe and Asia)
In game unused plex up ~30%. Must be a lot of plex hoarding going on.
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Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
404
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Posted - 2015.07.06 11:51:11 -
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Its called summer. People, even people that play eve go outside.
Our offices would normally have 30 people here, today it is 3. No our company is not dying. They are on holiday. Like the entire northern hemisphere is basically on holiday right now.
Death and Glory!
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
265
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Posted - 2015.07.06 11:53:49 -
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Delt0r Garsk wrote:Its called summer. People, even people that play eve go outside.
Our offices would normally have 30 people here, today it is 3. No our company is not dying. They are on holiday. Like the entire northern hemisphere is basically on holiday right now.
Explain why This summer is the LOWEST summer in 7 (SEVEN) years. Over half eve has been alive.
Not since 2008 summer numbers this low.
People are so debse, come sept people gonna say Global Warming is why login numbers are still low then |
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
404
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Posted - 2015.07.06 12:04:24 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Delt0r Garsk wrote:Its called summer. People, even people that play eve go outside.
Our offices would normally have 30 people here, today it is 3. No our company is not dying. They are on holiday. Like the entire northern hemisphere is basically on holiday right now. Explain why This summer is the LOWEST summer in 7 (SEVEN) years. Over half eve has been alive. Not since 2008 summer numbers this low. People are so debse, come sept people gonna say Global Warming is why login numbers are still low then
Well global warming is to blame for EVERYTHING else, as long as its bad. So you know you may be on to something there.... Right now its 39C in my office and i have no aircon...
More seriously. I didn't know that. I just don't see eve going anywhere soon. It has weathered many storms. But at the same time things like the isboxer uncertainties did cost a lot of accounts of people i know. I myself held off getting 4 more accounts. That is my little island of eve. Perhaps we are at a downturn. If CCP do it right however, eve won't be dying and as far as i am aware there is no legal obligation to share financial information or even things like total number of subscribers.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
38634
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Posted - 2015.07.06 12:30:02 -
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In 2014:
- 175,000 unique users per day
- 420,000 unique users per month
In 2015:
I don't know. Anywhere from 20 to 100% less (maybe 99% depending on who you listen to).
Overall probably 30-40% less than those figures.
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Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
657
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Posted - 2015.07.06 13:04:42 -
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These threads keep popping up every day. Always the same topic, just disguised differently.
It mist be groundhog day! And apparently I'm the only one aware of it!
omg i need to redo my picture!
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DaReaper
Net 7
2288
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Posted - 2015.07.06 16:23:31 -
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reported for redundancy. The search feature is your friend, use it
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DaReaper
Net 7
2288
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Posted - 2015.07.06 16:35:48 -
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A few things:
1) To CAM: The employee numbers being lower in 2014 are perfectly in line with the ending of WoD. remember before fan fest 2014 they let go of a ton of people as part of the restructure when they closed WoD. thats not new information and doesn't really mean anything execpt they, for all intents and pourposues, closed a studio. Thats not new infformation
2) Rev being down 10%
here is the problem with this, CCP has two games, Dust was chugging along in earily 2014, untill they screwed up and did the rouge wedding. This drove a ton of the dust player base away, as well as you had countless people asking for refunds from sony.
This would impact CCP's bottom line, the question however, is how much?
This is the problem. Its now difficult to see where the numbers are becuase you don;t knwo which game is causing the loss. In theory, from 5/14/13 (when dust went live) till 12/2013 dust might of contruibuted a good chunk of money. But it may not have. Then you have dust taking a hit last year, because it did, only to bounce back and now be profitable this year.
If ccp released the subscription numbers, and lets say they were not and are not currently down (more then likly they are, but not a smuch as people doom and gloom) then you coudol do simple math and figure out that dust was in fact hemoring money. So why announce it?
now on the flip side, you have things like a war on bots, jump fatige, fozzie sov, imput duplicaiton ban, etc that could be causeing some players to shed unneeded or unwated acocunts. This doens;t really mean eve is dying, just getting leaner. the PCU being low, you coudlk have lots of people who have accounts trianing while they wait for fozzie sov to hit in two weeks.
The point is, there are MANY factors that get into PCU and financials that we don;t have access to. I don;t think we will get a good picture at how well eve is doing untill the end of 2016 tbh. Becuase once the fozzie sov changes hit, sov phase 3. structures 2.0, cap rebaalance, you won;t see where the health of eve is till then. But if Valk drops next year, you might see a huge cash influx into eve. as i said next year will be the year for a better picture then this. This year is more of a trasition year, but we will see
*Disclaimer yes i am an eve fan boi, and ccp will take my money till eve closes or i die.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
1984
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Posted - 2015.07.06 16:46:21 -
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Delt0r Garsk wrote:Its called summer. People, even people that play eve go outside.
Our offices would normally have 30 people here, today it is 3. No our company is not dying. They are on holiday. Like the entire northern hemisphere is basically on holiday right now.
Your work involve something seasonal or has planned vacations for 90% of it's staff to be on vacation at the same time right? |
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
405
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Posted - 2015.07.06 16:57:34 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Delt0r Garsk wrote:Its called summer. People, even people that play eve go outside.
Our offices would normally have 30 people here, today it is 3. No our company is not dying. They are on holiday. Like the entire northern hemisphere is basically on holiday right now. Your work involve something seasonal or has planned vacations for 90% of it's staff to be on vacation at the same time right?
Yes and no. A lot of people have kids and its school holidays. In Europe, well in the bits i have lived in, its common to find a lot of people on holiday around now... even people you may need. Like say my doctor having a sign to go to this other doctor cus he is on holiday... only so was the other doctor :/
I get 5 weeks holiday. Where in NZ i only got 3.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6336
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Posted - 2015.07.06 17:00:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:A few things:
1) To CAM: The employee numbers being lower in 2014 are perfectly in line with the ending of WoD. remember before fan fest 2014 they let go of a ton of people as part of the restructure when they closed WoD. thats not new information and doesn't really mean anything execpt they, for all intents and pourposues, closed a studio. Thats not new infformation
2) Rev being down 10%
here is the problem with this, CCP has two games, Dust was chugging along in earily 2014, untill they screwed up and did the rouge wedding. This drove a ton of the dust player base away, as well as you had countless people asking for refunds from sony. Be realistic, they've had a lot more than just the WoD team leaving.
The reality is that outside of CCP noone will really know the truth, but reduced player counts is not a good thing. You can call it "becoming leaner" to sound overly optimistic, but a sub lost is a sub lost. I'm not a "EVE is dying OMG!" type of person, but I'm open to the reality that it's not a roaring success either. Changes need to be made to bring in more profit (and they are, see ship skins, auto-renewing paypal subs, etc). Sure, summer will be having some effect but if your honest about it, you know that's not all it is. EVE just isn't as much fun as it used to be. IMHO, there's too much focus on pleasing the most vocal groups and not enough on pushing entertaining game design.
All that aside though, CCP used to be alot more open which was something I loved about them, but that's slowly died off. We used to get information on subs and a lot more statistics, even data like the QEN which was great. Nowadays outside of fanfest we just get adhoc bits in dev blogs, twitter and reddit. I for one would love to see a return to the much more open CCP of old.
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
16339
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Posted - 2015.07.06 17:31:12 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Delt0r Garsk wrote:Its called summer. People, even people that play eve go outside.
Our offices would normally have 30 people here, today it is 3. No our company is not dying. They are on holiday. Like the entire northern hemisphere is basically on holiday right now. Your work involve something seasonal or has planned vacations for 90% of it's staff to be on vacation at the same time right?
Can confirm I am doing cover shifts for the 90% of staff that are on holiday
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davet517
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2015.07.06 17:31:30 -
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Eve had a good long run of subscriber growth - as long or longer than any MMO. While it was growing, they touted the growth. When it started its inevitable decline, they shut up and started hiding the numbers. There's a good reason for doing that. People leaving can have a snowball effect if it's too easy to see and quantify.
Population is noticeably down, which is why these threads keep popping up here, and on reddit, TMC, etc.
No reason to panic. Eve will likely go on for many years, but it'll go on as a mature game, where what goes on in game is less and less "emergent", and more predictable. EQ1 is still chugging along with its die-hard players. It's just not growing or attracting new players anymore.
The engine of growth for a game is either its "stickiness" or ability to retain players and get players to refer others, or it's paid growth. As with many mature products, CCP has had to rely on "paid" growth (advertising) more and more to attract new players these last few years, as retention and referral have declined.
Nothing stays "hot" forever folks. I wouldn't be surprised to see Eve get sold off to an investor group in the next year or so, as Sony did with SOE. Since it's CCP's only viable property these days, it'd be prudent for them to start thinking exit strategy.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
1984
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Posted - 2015.07.06 17:35:13 -
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baltec1 wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Delt0r Garsk wrote:Its called summer. People, even people that play eve go outside.
Our offices would normally have 30 people here, today it is 3. No our company is not dying. They are on holiday. Like the entire northern hemisphere is basically on holiday right now. Your work involve something seasonal or has planned vacations for 90% of it's staff to be on vacation at the same time right? Can confirm I am doing cover shifts for the 90% of staff that are on holiday
Yeah but as I said, the work is planned around that right?
Or do they let 90% of the staff go away because they want without a downturn in the work to be done?
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DaReaper
Net 7
2288
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Posted - 2015.07.06 17:39:54 -
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davet517 wrote:Eve had a good long run of subscriber growth - as long or longer than any MMO. While it was growing, they touted the growth. When it started its inevitable decline, they shut up and started hiding the numbers. There's a good reason for doing that. People leaving can have a snowball effect if it's too easy to see and quantify.
Population is noticeably down, which is why these threads keep popping up here, and on reddit, TMC, etc.
No reason to panic. Eve will likely go on for many years, but it'll go on as a mature game, where what goes on in game is less and less "emergent", and more predictable. EQ1 is still chugging along with its die-hard players. It's just not growing or attracting new players anymore.
The engine of growth for a game is either its "stickiness" or ability to retain players and get players to refer others, or it's paid growth. As with many mature products, CCP has had to rely on "paid" growth (advertising) more and more to attract new players these last few years, as retention and referral have declined.
Nothing stays "hot" forever folks. I wouldn't be surprised to see Eve get sold off to an investor group in the next year or so, as Sony did with SOE. Since it's CCP's only viable property these days, it'd be prudent for them to start thinking exit strategy.
this makes no sense. CCP is eve. Sony selling SOE makes sense. sony is an electronics and entertainment compay. selling of fa single division will not hurt them.
CCP is a video game company with two products. You can not sell off eve, as then ccp loses rights to dust and valk, all set in the eve universe.
What CCP can do, is sell off White Wolf. White Wolf is a division or subsidiary of CCP games. Thats a bettwe annology. What you pretty much just said is that Sony will sell off sony. See the difference?
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Givi Oskold
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2015.07.06 17:44:01 -
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baltec1 wrote:Everyone is playing ships while we wait for fozziesov.
Yup! Playing ships, WoT, M&B Warbands and Napoleonic, Dirt Rally, Heroes and Generals, ETS2, War Thunder. Cat Goes Fishing (!!!!!) among others. Not playing much EVE, except for the skill sheet. Couldn't care less about Fozziesov though. It doesn't change anything for new players.
EVE posts across the internet are getting that stench of fear these days. Probably for good reason. A 17 month decline is not a seasonal thing.
In thinking about it, EVE players might just love maintenance mode. Nothing would change so nothing would rock the boat. Same game every day. Seriously, because there wouldn't be anything left to ***** about that you couldn't just copy/paste from an earlier post. From what I've seen, the players hate everything new anyways. |
Edwin Wyatt
In Utter Darkness
69
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Posted - 2015.07.06 17:51:46 -
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I think reality will sink in for CCP and all these players who ignore the shrinking sandbox. These so called update provide next to no additional gameplay or excitement to the game.
I don't think anything will change upon releasing a new sov system, its the same old grind, for the same old rewards and the same group of players driving content in the wrong directions.
I and many others will let their subs lapse and never return in the next few weeks / months due to CCPs in ability to add excitement and retain players.
It's been fun CCP, but I'm going to get off this boat before it sinks, thanks for all the fish. |
Syrilian
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
111
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Posted - 2015.07.06 18:21:05 -
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Edwin Wyatt wrote:I think reality will sink in for CCP and all these players who ignore the shrinking sandbox. These so called update provide next to no additional gameplay or excitement to the game.
I don't think anything will change upon releasing a new sov system, its the same old grind, for the same old rewards and the same group of players driving content in the wrong directions.
I and many others will let their subs lapse and never return in the next few weeks / months due to CCPs in ability to add excitement and retain players.
It's been fun CCP, but I'm going to get off this boat before it sinks, thanks for all the fish.
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davet517
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2015.07.06 18:40:18 -
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DaReaper wrote:
this makes no sense. CCP is eve. Sony selling SOE makes sense. sony is an electronics and entertainment compay. selling of fa single division will not hurt them.
CCP is a video game company with two products. You can not sell off eve, as then ccp loses rights to dust and valk, all set in the eve universe.
What CCP can do, is sell off White Wolf. White Wolf is a division or subsidiary of CCP games. Thats a bettwe annology. What you pretty much just said is that Sony will sell off sony. See the difference?
It makes perfect sense if you're an Eve shareholder and you'd like to take your equity and do something else with it. By your logic, George Lucas selling LucasFilm makes no sense. Except that it does, to George Lucas. He converted an asset into cash.
Selling Eve would essentially be selling CCP, since it's the only CCP asset that is worth much, but, if you're a CCP shareholder and you're looking at a one-title company with a single title that's getting long on the tooth, figuring out how to exit while your equity is still worth something is just smart business.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
3038
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Posted - 2015.07.06 19:00:54 -
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DaReaper wrote:davet517 wrote:Eve had a good long run of subscriber growth - as long or longer than any MMO. While it was growing, they touted the growth. When it started its inevitable decline, they shut up and started hiding the numbers. There's a good reason for doing that. People leaving can have a snowball effect if it's too easy to see and quantify.
Population is noticeably down, which is why these threads keep popping up here, and on reddit, TMC, etc.
No reason to panic. Eve will likely go on for many years, but it'll go on as a mature game, where what goes on in game is less and less "emergent", and more predictable. EQ1 is still chugging along with its die-hard players. It's just not growing or attracting new players anymore.
The engine of growth for a game is either its "stickiness" or ability to retain players and get players to refer others, or it's paid growth. As with many mature products, CCP has had to rely on "paid" growth (advertising) more and more to attract new players these last few years, as retention and referral have declined.
Nothing stays "hot" forever folks. I wouldn't be surprised to see Eve get sold off to an investor group in the next year or so, as Sony did with SOE. Since it's CCP's only viable property these days, it'd be prudent for them to start thinking exit strategy.
this makes no sense. CCP is eve. Sony selling SOE makes sense. sony is an electronics and entertainment compay. selling of fa single division will not hurt them. CCP is a video game company with two products. You can not sell off eve, as then ccp loses rights to dust and valk, all set in the eve universe. What CCP can do, is sell off White Wolf. White Wolf is a division or subsidiary of CCP games. Thats a bettwe annology. What you pretty much just said is that Sony will sell off sony. See the difference?
Uhm , yes it does make sense.CCP is not eve ,eve is a game made by the company CCP and as we all know companies that have their backs against the wall only have 2 options left.Either save what can be saved so sell of your products or go down with the ship.
I am not saying that what davet517 said is going to happen but it is a verry possible scenario if **** hits the fan.And since CCP still is milking one cow , eventually that cow will not give enough milk .
Just browse through this list wich has some verry , verry high-profile companies from the past in it.Some of wich no one thaught possible to fall down back then
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11679
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Posted - 2015.07.06 20:08:40 -
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Captain Semper wrote: Of course we are all worried about our favorite game.
Speak for yourself. I'm as fanatical as it comes when the issue is EVE and I'm not the least bit worried. People who like to worry about this kind of thing (the perpetual "EVE is dying" crowd) are so busy worrying about useless crap that they don't ever actually enjoy anything. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc.
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
411
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Posted - 2015.07.06 21:31:30 -
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As Ive gotten older Ive come to realize that all things, both good and bad, eventually end. So its no surprise in the decline in Eve in the past few years. Players have resisted a lot of the big changes by whining about changes to the gameplay they disliked that couldve breathed new life into the game on dramatic or lesser levels in order to farm the game in the style and ways theyd grown accustomed to. CCP is on a new course charted by CCP Seagull now to make a lot of changes to the game and hopefully breath new life into it.
Will it be in time? Will it be enough? These types of questions remain to be seen tbh. But that this period in Eve is more than just a long pause is obvious. And the future is partly in CCPs hands with new content or changes over the coming few years as well as how the players like, handle and adapt to these changes. That its a bit late imo is just that an opinion and only posterity will say if it is right or wrong in that regard.
So I for one will wait and see what unfolds and stick around a bit longer.
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Eanok
POS Party
Low-Class
17
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Posted - 2015.07.06 21:42:37 -
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By the time CCP realizes it was a mistake to make the game around what their nullsec cronies want it might be too late. Maybe the answer is more overview icons!
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