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Troy Knight	Posted - 2006.11.29 21:47:00 - [31] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Arowe Telak 2. Dust clouds and nebulae. Have you noticed that every single system has some sort of colored dust cloud or nebulae? While they exist in real life you should't be seeing then in every single system. Particularly in outer laying regions you shouldn't see anthing but black space with stars. Actually, I'd contest this one. Firstly, New Eden (the EVE Universe) isn't in the Milkyway- its another galaxy. Plenty of galaxies have been observed which have massively higher nebulae content than Milkyway- we can safely assume New Eden is one of these. Secondly, the map as we see it isn't the galaxy- it's the teeniest tiniest explored fragment of the galaxy. Galaxy = several billion stars. EVE = several hundred. Add to that the fact CCP reserves the right to "discover" more stars at any time they like, and the fact that you can see in your standard space view loads and loads of twinkling stars that don't represent in-game locations. All we see is that tiny amount of this galaxy that have had jump gates built in them. So nya Hehe, I actually noticed when closing down my map that those stars were representing actual known systems in the game :)
Epidemis	Posted - 2006.11.29 21:48:00 - [32] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Epidemis Originally by: Xipe Totec Please make the new starfield graphics an option. First it's not realistic, in real space (in contrast to all the wellknown SF-movies, even the best and factually accurate ones) you dont see that many stars (check with www.nasa.gov) and secondly I personally liked it better before, just the nebulas. You can leave it in there if you must but make it an option. Thanx As for the rest of the content patch: keep up the good work ccp! CHeers I dont like it either, it's just a uniform ring of stars, there's no spots where there's less than the other parts of the ring, it's just unrealistic. Well, no. Maybe if you're sat in the middle of the galaxy, yah. Where I am (out at Deklein, on the edge of EVE) there are only stars in the direction of the rest of EVE, on the other side is emptiness. Which is really brilliant- give you much more immersion. Ok, I'l concede then, I guess it does reflect the EVE map better.
Derboff	Posted - 2006.11.29 21:59:00 - [33] ok I first hated the starfield in test, but now... I am kind of liking it.... I love playing spot the constellation and have already seen "Man hitting custard with a fish", "Bananas and Mash" and of course "Pig and Cow sitting in a tree" Back to the op, as an option yes
Kim Chee Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.29 22:08:00 - [34] Love the starfield graphics. It's very cool to be able to see the galaxy "out the window". I hope they allow you to overlay the auto-pilot route and other data as well, one of these days. An option to turn it off would be fine. I'd also like an option to turn off (or adjust the hover delay) the popup system info in the main star map. Right now, it's very hard to plot a route since those baloons pop up the instant you hit a star.
Dei Crystaline Green Order of the Khanid Crown	Posted - 2006.11.29 22:08:00 - [35] Originally by: Xipe Totec Edited by: Xipe Totec on 29/11/2006 21:34:12 I said that the starfields are unrealistic, but I ALSO said that I didnt like them. I do like the unrealistic nebulas and sounds Methinks you should read the very first short story for an explanation for the sounds.
Max Grief Minmatar Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2006.11.29 22:22:00 - [36] i think its really cool and neat, but an on/off toggle would be nice for the sake of FPS issues. Its like sound in eve, Its nice... but it isn't worth 10 fps drop to have it running
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2006.11.29 22:27:00 - [37] Originally by: Kim Chee I hope they allow you to overlay the auto-pilot route and other data as well, one of these days. /signed and also the ability to get a system map view of nearby systems, not just the system you're in. You should be able to set course to a system, too. -- Guile can always trump hardware --
Rainhailer Gallente Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.29 22:28:00 - [38] An option would be great. I'd also love an option to revert the backround color on the map to blue, I'm not a fan of the contrast with black.
Fuujin Hadean Drive Yards	Posted - 2006.11.29 22:35:00 - [39] Seriously stop asking the devs to do silly thing slike this. Get used to it. Give it a few days and you wont even notice it. Hadean Drive Yards Tier 2 BC Pricing
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.29 22:38:00 - [40] I want the ugly spots to go away ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.11.29 22:42:00 - [41] I like it. Please go away. ---------------- Kali ships worth flying left: Harbinger, Rokh. Only 2 left tux, you can make it!
Phoenix Lonestar Litanies of Hate	Posted - 2006.11.29 22:45:00 - [42] Options are great!
Karunel Nuevos Horizontes O X I D E	Posted - 2006.11.29 22:49:00 - [43] It's ugly. Please remove it. Forever. Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
Gonada Gallente Cross Roads	Posted - 2006.11.29 22:50:00 - [44] love it! those that dont like it , suck it up -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.- -nerf Missles-
Del Narveux Obsidian Angels Enterprises	Posted - 2006.11.29 23:30:00 - [45] I agree with making it an option you can disable. Nebulas are cool. _________________ [SAK] Alumnus--And Proud Of It! -- aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base? Originally by: Wrangler Well, at least we have forum PvP..
xaja	Posted - 2006.11.29 23:46:00 - [46] Originally by: Xipe Totec ...I personally liked it better before, just the nebulas... I fail to understand how you can like the nebulas... they're all so obviously all created from athmospheric photographs, and along with the sounds of guns thrusters, and the fact that there's drag on your ship (it slows down on its own like a car when you turn off the AB), it completely ruins the feeling of being in space... pair that with the fact that very few of these wallpapers repeat over and over, I'd rather have them go more in the direction of seeing sparkling stars in the distance and either tone these wallpapers way down or at least make their wall papers from hubble photographs... ... _____________________________________ I'm Paper; Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
Admiral Pieg Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.30 00:02:00 - [47] i cant believe someone DOESNT like it? its beautiful imo, makes the game more visually pleasing. ______________ Pod from above.
Asylum Seaker Minmatar The Blackwater Brigade Blackwater Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.30 00:13:00 - [48] I love the new stars. And it is definatly not random stars, if you enter map mode and watch the stars as you zoom out you will see that the stars in the starfield are perfectly matched in position to the stars on the map. It would be cool if they took it further and allowed us to view our route from ship view, or use all the rest of the map features like region display / sov display, etc. Memento Mori.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.30 00:15:00 - [49] Originally by: Troy Knight Hehe, I actually noticed when closing down my map that those stars were representing actual known systems in the game :) I know that- I was talking about all the other stars, the ones that have always been there. The hundreds and hundreds of twinkly ones which DON'T correspond to the ones in game. -----------------------------------------------
Falcione Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2006.11.30 00:18:00 - [50] Stars > Static backdrops The starfields add uniqueness to each system due to the nature of their layout. I for one approve of the stars. Its a nice touch. Although making it optional probably wouldn't hurt anythin. I don't see the reason to turn it off.
Oedus Caro Caldari Caldari Deep Space Ventures	Posted - 2006.11.30 00:30:00 - [51] Originally by: Xipe Totec First it's not realistic, in real space (in contrast to all the well known SF-movies, even the best and factually accurate ones) you don't see that many stars (check with www.nasa.gov) and secondly I personally liked it better before, just the nebulae. So to paraphrase, you would simultaneously like to see more "realism" in the form of sparser star fields, and to preserve the lesser realism of nebulae? Anyone else detect conflicting interests? Has it occurred to you that the reason space frequently appears blank in NASA photographs lies in the fact that the foreground objects in those photographs are too strongly illuminated by the sun for the camera's exposure to catch the stars? The shiny metal of satellites, or the white tiles of the shuttle, are apt to be rather bright when lit directly by the sun, wouldn't you think? On the other hand, have you perhaps noticed that the night sky does not glow with the candy-coloured hues of a giant nebula? Really, if you want to increase realism, drastically reduce the frequency of nebulae in EVE space. As for a toggle option, however, that's just fine. It does, after all, cause a bit of extra processing lag. I just had to comment on what I see as a faulty argument.
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus	Posted - 2006.11.30 00:32:00 - [52] actually the story about the locked off systems being reactivated due to a self aware drone reactivating them is interesting and has furhter potential - but yes a regular discovery of new star systems would be good These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Mondo Banana	Posted - 2006.11.30 00:47:00 - [53] I greatly dislike the starfield. I like the idea but not the execution. It shines right through the "gas clouds" and looks like the stars are just little dots hanging on a curtain that is not far away. It completely removes the former sense of great depth that Eve had. Also they are slowly crawling along the screen one pixel at a time in a weird, rippling wave. So now I feel like I'm flying in a fairly small sphere with stars sprinkled along the inside. When warping the stars are pretty much fixed in place, and your ship is fixed in place and this takes away the sensation of speed and motion I used to feel. I came back to Eve primarily because I just love the feeling of flying through the beautiful Eve universe and this is an unpleasant change. I find it ugly and immersion breaking. A good idea that was implemented in a way I think looks terrible.
Irashi Caldari Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.30 01:24:00 - [54] They are quite distracting :/ And if we're getting the stars we should also get all the distant nebulas that seem to dominate the individual constellations of our galaxy CCP must hate reading the forums sometimes, we only ever give them more to do ________________________________________
Rechal Hedion University	Posted - 2006.11.30 01:48:00 - [55] Remember kids, Eve = Reality. I'm getting my master's degree in Eve at Hedion University while hauling across the galaxy!
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2006.11.30 01:51:00 - [56] Originally by: Arowe Telak 2. Dust clouds and nebulae. Have you noticed that every single system has some sort of colored dust cloud or nebulae? While they exist in real life you should't be seeing then in every single system. Particularly in outer laying regions you shouldn't see anthing but black space with stars. Gas in nebulae is excited to shine by ultraviolet and gamma radiation streaming from giant hot stars that are newly formed within them. Therefore: (a) not only would humans be killed by this intense radiation, planets, moons, asteroid would also be eroded away or unable to form, and (b) old red stars should have no surrouding nebulae since their solar winds long ago dispersed their dusty birth clouds away into space. -- Guile can always trump hardware --
Oreh Anavrin No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.11.30 01:58:00 - [57] I dont mind it, they are purty. But an option to turn it off for all you LAME WHINERS (just kidding:P) wouldn't hurt.
Irashi Caldari Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.30 02:11:00 - [58] Originally by: Guillame Herschel Originally by: Arowe Telak 2. Dust clouds and nebulae. Have you noticed that every single system has some sort of colored dust cloud or nebulae? While they exist in real life you should't be seeing then in every single system. Particularly in outer laying regions you shouldn't see anthing but black space with stars. Gas in nebulae is excited to shine by ultraviolet and gamma radiation streaming from giant hot stars that are newly formed within them. Therefore: (a) not only would humans be killed by this intense radiation, planets, moons, asteroid would also be eroded away or unable to form, and (b) old red stars should have no surrouding nebulae since their solar winds long ago dispersed their dusty birth clouds away into space. 1. Eve isn't a full galaxy anyway. 5000 systems, no more than 150 LY across (according to capship jump calculators), you could spit across it. Real galaxies have billions of stars and are around 100,000 LY across. We're just playing in a dusty little star cluster. 2. It's a game and the publishers wanted it to look pretty and bright. ________________________________________
BoBoZoBo Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.11.30 02:34:00 - [59] Really.. in real space you dont see nebulas when you are in them either ========================= Minister of Propaganda - Operator 9
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.30 02:56:00 - [60] Edited by: Stitcher on 30/11/2006 02:56:52 Welcome to EVE, where even the Totally Cosmetic Little Features That Have no Bearing Whatsoever On Gameplay And Probably Took The Devs Ages To Get Right are actually Hugely Important And Controversial Issues Just Because 1% Of The Players Wouldn't Have Included It If They Were In Charge. Guys, the starfield feature is so unbearably cosmetic that it amazes me that it's even an issue. I like it personally because it really reflects on the extreme lengths CCP will go to for the sake of making EVE as good as possible. It has no direct bearing whatsoever on the quality of the game, and the very idea that something like this could be irritating is, frankly, an alien concept to my mind. Please, go find a less trivial thing to be outraged about. ____________________________________________________________ MAY CONTAIN NUTS.

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