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Troy Knight	Posted - 2006.11.30 03:01:00 - [61] Originally by: Stitcher Edited by: Stitcher on 30/11/2006 02:56:52 Welcome to EVE, where even the Totally Cosmetic Little Features That Have no Bearing Whatsoever On Gameplay And Probably Took The Devs Ages To Get Right are actually Hugely Important And Controversial Issues Just Because 1% Of The Players Wouldn't Have Included It If They Were In Charge. Guys, the starfield feature is so unbearably cosmetic that it amazes me that it's even an issue. I like it personally because it really reflects on the extreme lengths CCP will go to for the sake of making EVE as good as possible. It has no direct bearing whatsoever on the quality of the game, and the very idea that something like this could be irritating is, frankly, an alien concept to my mind. Please, go find a less trivial thing to be outraged about. /signed Couldn't help it, everybody around here was doing that but me... ;)
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2006.11.30 06:24:00 - [62] I agree with the OP. It should be optional. I DO love it, is greeeaaat... but... Not all my PCs can keep up with so much imagery. In my older PCs the FPS drops too much. Please make it an option. And while you are at it, if you can also make the nebulas an option, that would be great. I would like to turn those off for combat. The glare makes it difficult to see the status of my guns/modules.
Xipe Totec	Posted - 2006.11.30 08:13:00 - [63] Hi Folks After reading all the overnight posts, I think everybody agrees that this topic is a polarizing issue. Like "2001 Odyssey in Space" you either like the new starfield graphics or you don't (I love the first and hate the latter). So maybe if the Devs do have some time on their hands, we do get an X-Mas present in form of an option to turn the starfields on and off, t'is the season ... CHeers
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.11.30 08:16:00 - [64] i love it, makes for a better atmosphere in the game. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Flag Bravo	Posted - 2006.11.30 08:18:00 - [65] I hate the star field looks sooo false and cheap, they could have done better.
Khyle Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.30 08:35:00 - [66] I hate the current star fields. Uniformly grey wobbly pixels staggering around. The idea is great, but can CCP please beautify them and put them BEHIND the clouds. At the moment, like already posted by someone, it looks a bit like a cheap curtain hanging somewhere close.
Baske Space-Bar	Posted - 2006.11.30 08:41:00 - [67] I would love to turn it off too...Just doesnt feel like "good ol' eve" And while we are at it, please make an option to turn off BC's, AF's, HAC's, POS', Carriers, Dreads, Titans and so on.....it just doesnt feel like "good ol' eve" with them ingame.
mr passie Minmatar Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.30 08:42:00 - [68] I heard you can switch them off by pressing ctrl-q. mind you, by doing this you will start a complex computer game that leaves "the sims" in a pale shadow. It is also a difficult and scary game as I have yet to discover where to install my clone. I'm a reversed paranoid schizophrenic. I have voices in my head I just think I don't hear them!
VossKarr Caldari The 6th Directorate	Posted - 2006.11.30 08:44:00 - [69] Edited by: VossKarr on 30/11/2006 08:44:59 Originally by: Xipe Totec Please make the new starfield graphics an option. First it's not realistic, in real space (in contrast to all the wellknown SF-movies, even the best and factually accurate ones) you dont see that many stars (check with www.nasa.gov) CHeers Have YOU actually flown in space? What's that I hear? No? Now read what someone who has flown wrote about this and prepare to eat a lot of humble pie: Quote: But that is not the best part. The best part and by far my favorite view up here is the view of the universe at night. The stars up here are unbelievableà It looks like someone has spread diamond dust over a black velvet blanket. The Milky Way is easily visibleà like a rainbow of stars over the entire earthà I cannot keep my eyes off of them I put my head to the window and stay there until the coldness of the glass gives me a headacheà then I pull my head back a little and continue gazing out. http://spaceblog.xprize.org/2006/09/26/watching-the-world-go-by/ The rarefied star field you see in Eve is actually the one that's unrealistic. I'm not even talking about the **** nebulae in every system and the stars blinking in absence of an atmosphere. F'ing space experts! Sheesh!
Khyle Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.30 08:44:00 - [70] Nice tries but not funny Just look directly up in space(where there are no known systems in most cases) and then to the side and tell me which stars are more beatiful, or which are and which are ugly.
Voculus E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.11.30 08:49:00 - [71] I rather like the new starfield, and atually, I wish they'd seriously tone down the garish-looking nebulae. _________________________________________________________
Frug Caldari Tim Hortons Donuts	Posted - 2006.11.30 08:50:00 - [72] Love the stars. The way they blend into the map is simply awesome, gives a feeling as if I'm actually inside the galaxy.
Xipe Totec	Posted - 2006.11.30 08:51:00 - [73] You can see the stars when your in the shadow of a planet, but not when you are in direct sunlight, which is what you mostly are in eve ...
Billy TwoMirrors	Posted - 2006.11.30 09:00:00 - [74] There is no variation in size or shade, looks like they just whacked them on the backgrounds with the spray tool in PSP, they are shat, Eve use to look quite pretty, but now its laughable. And how they move, well they don't move they sort of jerk around.
Baske Space-Bar	Posted - 2006.11.30 09:03:00 - [75] /me loves running through the forums after a major patch. Gives a great laugh from all the whiners, who really have to learn to do what someone suggested above (ctrl-q). Live with it :)
Xipe Totec	Posted - 2006.11.30 09:08:00 - [76] At least the original poster (moi) doesn't consider himself to be whining. I am merely suggesting to make the starfields optional, NOT remove them. I have not mentioned any of the other post-patch topics, ie. i dont mind the way the wrecks work, i dont go on endlessly about 800'000 free skillpoints of newbies and I certainly dont WHINE about nerfings ... I think the revelations patch a BIG achievement for EvE and CCP. Let me make that perfectly clear. CHeers
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2006.11.30 09:13:00 - [77] Originally by: Xipe Totec Please make the new starfield graphics an option. First it's not realistic, in real space (in contrast to all the wellknown SF-movies, even the best and factually accurate ones) you dont see that many stars (check with www.nasa.gov) and secondly I personally liked it better before, just the nebulas. What are you smoking? In space you see hundreds of thousands of stars. Waaaay more than you would see from Earth's surface. Of course if you're taking photographs there are situations where glare from your subject makes it impossible to see stars (as in Lunar photography, or pictures of the Earth in full sunlight) but the human eye will still see them. I don't think it unreasonable to assume that whatever technology is giving us the view from outside our ship be also advanced enough to match the capabilities of the human eye. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Linux is only free if your time is worthless
Khyle Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.30 09:14:00 - [78] Edited by: Khyle on 30/11/2006 09:14:55 Originally by: Baske /me loves running through the forums after a major patch. Gives a great laugh from all the whiners, who really have to learn to do what someone suggested above (ctrl-q). Live with it :) So anytime the devs do something stupid, just live with it? (like making cheap grey wobbly dots to cheapen the graphics) I dont wanna live in your world, and you wouldnt want to either, i guess
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2006.11.30 09:15:00 - [79] Originally by: Epidemis Originally by: Xipe Totec Please make the new starfield graphics an option. First it's not realistic, in real space (in contrast to all the wellknown SF-movies, even the best and factually accurate ones) you dont see that many stars (check with www.nasa.gov) and secondly I personally liked it better before, just the nebulas. You can leave it in there if you must but make it an option. Thanx As for the rest of the content patch: keep up the good work ccp! CHeers I dont like it either, it's just a uniform ring of stars, there's no spots where there's less than the other parts of the ring, it's just unrealistic. No it isn't. I tested this on Sisi. If you fly to somewhere near the edge (I flew to the north west) you see a huge gap in the ring of stars. The stars are being rendered based on their actual location on the map. That's what's so cool about it. When you fly to the edge of the map you will actually see that there are no more stars. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Linux is only free if your time is worthless
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2006.11.30 09:18:00 - [80] Originally by: Redpants The new star field is excellent. The problem is it needs to sit behind the nebulas and gas clouds, not in front of them. That's what looks so unnatural and out of place about it. Otherwise it could stand to not be a uniform single pixel, single color star field. The star should be the cooresponding color of the sun in the system it represents. I think it would also benefit from being rendered once on session change. That would eliminate the shuffling (and the fps drop) as the stars are constantly redrawn. I wonder if it would be possible to render the stars onto the canvas where the nebula is drawn then render the nebular then continue as before? -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Linux is only free if your time is worthless
Xipe Totec	Posted - 2006.11.30 09:39:00 - [81] I have consulted a few astronomy (and moon-hoax-debunking) websites, from what I have read there it seems to be a fact that you can not see the stars in Space when standing in the sunlight - no matter if you take photographs or just use your eyes. So if that all holds up, it would be (even for me ) acceptable to see the starfields, when in the shadow of a planet, in the shadow of a large station or when actually in the middle of nowhere were there is no or not too much direct light
Mephesto Nizal	Posted - 2006.11.30 10:06:00 - [82] One of the cool things in Independance War 2 was the background starfield. It was amazingly dense when you're in focus, but fly too fast or turn camera too quick, and the stars brightness fades to only a few strong illuminated ones.
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.30 10:27:00 - [83] Edited by: Stitcher on 30/11/2006 10:32:36 Tell you what - seeing as your "vision" in EVE is actually an artificial creation derived from sensor data and an orbiting camera drone, those "stars" are in fact the product of the new navigation software's SNaPViRe (Significant Navigation Point Visual Rendering) system. This artificially illuminates all interstellar objects that are known to be either inhabited, or contain some kind of human presence. Developed by Ishukone Interstellar Labs to improve your piloting experience, citizen. (I came soooo close to saying "friend citizen", there...) Now seriously, please, this is a non-issue. ____________________________________________________________ MAY CONTAIN NUTS.
Xipe Totec	Posted - 2006.11.30 10:28:00 - [84] ... yet the graphics dont change when your in the pod ;-) outside youre ship.
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2006.11.30 10:29:00 - [85] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Epidemis Originally by: Xipe Totec Please make the new starfield graphics an option. First it's not realistic, in real space (in contrast to all the wellknown SF-movies, even the best and factually accurate ones) you dont see that many stars (check with www.nasa.gov) and secondly I personally liked it better before, just the nebulas. You can leave it in there if you must but make it an option. Thanx As for the rest of the content patch: keep up the good work ccp! CHeers I dont like it either, it's just a uniform ring of stars, there's no spots where there's less than the other parts of the ring, it's just unrealistic. Well, no. Maybe if you're sat in the middle of the galaxy, yah. Where I am (out at Deklein, on the edge of EVE) there are only stars in the direction of the rest of EVE, on the other side is emptiness. Which is really brilliant- give you much more immersion. REALLY!! Thats well cool. Overal thou i think more should twinkle..
MailFan Horizon.Inc	Posted - 2006.11.30 10:34:00 - [86] I like it, I just don't like the fps drop because of it. There an on/off option would be great. -- Cry havoc and let loose the dogs of war
Wild Rho Amarr Black Omega Security	Posted - 2006.11.30 10:34:00 - [87] The star field thing is great, although it could use a little make over to get rid of that MS Paint spray can look it has. I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
Tachy	Posted - 2006.11.30 11:15:00 - [88] The stars fit nicely into the seamless map cough. Their positions are known to your ship computer. Unreachable and uncharted systems aren't shown. The area of space where EVE takes place is probably in the center of a galaxy, the suns andsystems are really close to each other, and the nebulas hint at that too. If you've ever been up in the mountains or in the desert far away from any cities and with a clean air, you actually see many more stars in the sky, even at day, compared to the empty sky close to the polluted and shiny human settlements. --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2006.11.30 11:27:00 - [89] Originally by: Xipe Totec I have consulted a few astronomy (and moon-hoax-debunking) websites, from what I have read there it seems to be a fact that you can not see the stars in Space when standing in the sunlight - no matter if you take photographs or just use your eyes. So if that all holds up, it would be (even for me ) acceptable to see the starfields, when in the shadow of a planet, in the shadow of a large station or when actually in the middle of nowhere were there is no or not too much direct light Post some links please to clarify. I will concede that if you are "standing" then you must be under the influence of a strong gravity well and that implies being surrounded by a surface which is probably brightly lit and that glare will cause your visor to darken which will obscure the stars. OTOH it is technically impossible to "stand" in space. In space as long as you aren't looking directly at the sun (or some other brightly lit object) your visor would not darken and you would be treated to the full glory of hundreds of thousands of stars. You can even see a few thousand stars from the surface of the Earth if you're lucky enough to get far enough way from light polluting civilisation. I had a chance last year to look at the night sky from near Mono Lake in California. The only problem I had was kneck pain and a tendency to shiver because it was November. First time in my life I've ever actually seen the Milkyway. If I can see that much from under 80 miles of polluted, dusty atmosphere then the view from space must be incredible. I've also read astronaught interviews where they say that one of biggest problems on your first space walk is avoiding being distracted by the sheer beauty of the stellar light show. Info 1 Info 2 "Astronauts have reported being surprised at how steady and clear the stars look" Info 3 "In "Carrying the Fire" Collins writes of his solitude in lunar orbit in July 1969. As he disappeared on the backside of the Moon from Earth, he recalled, "I am alone now, truly alone, and absolutely isolated from any known life, I am it. If a count were taken, the score would be three billion plus two over on the other side of the moon, and one plus God only knows what on this side. I feel this powerfully-not as fear or loneliness-but as awareness, anticipation, satisfaction, confidence, almost exultation. I like the feeling. Outside my window I can see stars-and that is all." ...so can be please drop this silly notion that stars are not visible from space now? -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Linux is only free if your time is worthless
Splokit Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.11.30 11:29:00 - [90] I like it, makes space less static.. more alive? (freelancer) And the stars are really systems? then its even more cool! :D however the nebulas are so outdated and most systems looks the same, bring in some new baggrounds.. dark ones without nebulas.. bright ones.. flowercolered ones.. ect. ect.we need more than 4-8 we have now, no need for systems in the south looks the same(are the same) in the north.. ! not saying all systems has to be all diffient but more than we have now. Wrong spelling/gramma? oh well.. all my english i can thank eve for ;)Before eve.. only the bad words was known to me :P

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