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Aladine	Posted - 2006.11.29 22:10:00 - [1] Edited by: Aladine on 29/11/2006 22:12:55 Hey all I was wondering what your opinions are about the state of Amarr Battleships now that revelations is out? I my self cant fly Battleships yet, but they are my next ships in line. I would realy like to know how the Apocalypse, Armageddon, and the Abbadon ? How is each one in pvp solo and fleet? How is each one is missions/ratting? How are they at overall everything? Cap useage, tank, damage?
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.29 22:12:00 - [2] Abaddon is pretty good Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Wiggy69 5punkorp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.29 22:24:00 - [3] Originally by: Verus Potestas Abaddon is pretty good ----- Wiggy's Bad Spelling and Grammar Complaints Department
Free Mason	Posted - 2006.11.29 22:25:00 - [4] EHH the abba is pretty cool even with lvl 5 bs I feel that my damage is quite low with lasers. People are simply too well tanked against em. I do love to fit it wil blasters tho... its just mean that way. you have more grid than you can shake a stick at. fit a mwd, injector webber warpjam, 8 neutron blasters and a nice tank...your ace. Personally the tank is off the hook. I have 82+ across the board, which is nice when not knowing who your gonna run into.
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.29 22:46:00 - [5] LOL at the blaster abba, probably better than Hype at it heh. CEO - Art of War
Nybbas Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2006.11.29 22:55:00 - [6] BUT HEY GUYS at least the caldari finall have a good battleship!!!
Free Mason	Posted - 2006.11.29 23:36:00 - [7] Originally by: Nebuli LOL at the blaster abba, probably better than Hype at it heh. Now why would you claim that? I flew the hype... holly hell batman the ship is off the wall. next bs skill to go to lvl 5..gallient. that hp boost from reppers is nuts it more than makes up the damage your taking while mwd'ing towards people. the only issue i had was the pg fitting. (and don't even start in on the pg I think every race has that issue, less caldari) don't complain about your ships dude just fly em and figure out how to make them work... (gal have nothing to complain about imo, I love every one of their ships. and thats as a 85% amarrain character) I have crap gal ship/weapon skills but cannot get over the insane damage you guys can lay down.
Aladine	Posted - 2006.11.30 02:06:00 - [8] So im guessing the state of them are not good at all?
Sinnbad Mayhem	Posted - 2006.11.30 02:16:00 - [9] all 3 ships are good if setup right and in optimal fighting conditions i think the point ppl miss in the forums is u pick your battles.. no single ship is dominant...Amarr have thier uses for example a fleet of Apocs and Geddons can camp a system for days...why u ask? simple, NO AMMO required and pretty cool dps from range ...which is where u want to be in PVP nowadays unless your nuts or love NOS :) learn tactics my friend and any BS, including AMARR can make beautiful music
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.30 02:17:00 - [10] Originally by: Free Mason Originally by: Nebuli LOL at the blaster abba, probably better than Hype at it heh. Now why would you claim that? I flew the hype... holly hell batman the ship is off the wall. next bs skill to go to lvl 5..gallient. that hp boost from reppers is nuts it more than makes up the damage your taking while mwd'ing towards people. the only issue i had was the pg fitting. (and don't even start in on the pg I think every race has that issue, less caldari) don't complain about your ships dude just fly em and figure out how to make them work... (gal have nothing to complain about imo, I love every one of their ships. and thats as a 85% amarrain character) I have crap gal ship/weapon skills but cannot get over the insane damage you guys can lay down. Erm Maxed Gal BS pilot, only have Caldari BS4 (which will be 5 soon), the Rokh is a better sniper/fleet ship than a mega, and its also a better blaster platform than a Hype. So, erm, yeah OK. CEO - Art of War
Aeaus Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.30 03:48:00 - [11] Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem all 3 ships are good if setup right and in optimal fighting conditions i think the point ppl miss in the forums is u pick your battles.. no single ship is dominant...Amarr have thier uses for example a fleet of Apocs and Geddons can camp a system for days...why u ask? simple, NO AMMO required and pretty cool dps from range ...which is where u want to be in PVP nowadays unless your nuts or love NOS :) learn tactics my friend and any BS, including AMARR can make beautiful music That's just the most convincing reason for amarr I have ever heard. I mean, we have pathetically low DPS against 90% of PVP targets due to the proliferation of Omni Tanks, we have pathetic tanking ability without gimping our entire setup, our battleships can't be sniper fitted without dedicating several slots to fitting modules, our capacitors are pathetic even with a capacitor reduction bonus, our cruisers are almost unusuable, in addition we're the easiest to ECM and are weakest to any EW while having very little versitility ourselves bar our Tech II ships. But holy crap guys! We need no ammo! I mean it's not like a Megathron can't have enough ammo in the hold to ask a few days of sniping. Yea, optimal fighting conditions. There aren't very many optimal conditions for amarr, maybe having your enemy being AFK or being in a massive blob where Amarr suckage doesn't matter is one. Amarr is outdone by nearly every race, hell, even Minmatar are dominating Amarr now for a nice turn of events. Last Weeks Signature
Sinnbad Mayhem	Posted - 2006.11.30 03:59:00 - [12] Originally by: Aeaus Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem all 3 ships are good if setup right and in optimal fighting conditions i think the point ppl miss in the forums is u pick your battles.. no single ship is dominant...Amarr have thier uses for example a fleet of Apocs and Geddons can camp a system for days...why u ask? simple, NO AMMO required and pretty cool dps from range ...which is where u want to be in PVP nowadays unless your nuts or love NOS :) learn tactics my friend and any BS, including AMARR can make beautiful music That's just the most convincing reason for amarr I have ever heard. I mean, we have pathetically low DPS against 90% of PVP targets due to the proliferation of Omni Tanks, we have pathetic tanking ability without gimping our entire setup, our battleships can't be sniper fitted without dedicating several slots to fitting modules, our capacitors are pathetic even with a capacitor reduction bonus, our cruisers are almost unusuable, in addition we're the easiest to ECM and are weakest to any EW while having very little versitility ourselves bar our Tech II ships. But holy crap guys! We need no ammo! I mean it's not like a Megathron can't have enough ammo in the hold to ask a few days of sniping. Yea, optimal fighting conditions. There aren't very many optimal conditions for amarr, maybe having your enemy being AFK or being in a massive blob where Amarr suckage doesn't matter is one. Amarr is outdone by nearly every race, hell, even Minmatar are dominating Amarr now for a nice turn of events. tip: its a freaking game, RELAX!!!! and yeah, my advice was ghey. Amarr suck gee whiz, i liked u better when u were killing me in Bleak lands already .. still remmeber fondly getting ganked 3on1 by the Machariel that was freaking cool. learned alot from those days cya later dood :)
Shadow Mancer Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.11.30 04:00:00 - [13] Originally by: Nybbas BUT HEY GUYS at least the caldari finally have the best Sniper BS!!! There I corrected it for u Always smacking in local near you
Sinnbad Mayhem	Posted - 2006.11.30 04:03:00 - [14] by the way, what do you mean by "we have pathetically low DPS against 90% of PVP targets due to the proliferation of Omni Tanks, we have pathetic tanking ability without gimping our entire setup, our battleships can't be sniper fitted without dedicating several slots to fitting modules, our capacitors are pathetic even with a capacitor reduction bonus, our cruisers are almost unusuable... arent u Gallente role player? what do u mean by WE ... u some closet Amarr dood? WTF and to think flying Minmatar in an Amarr RP alliance was weired lol
Nybbas Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2006.11.30 04:11:00 - [15] Originally by: Shadow Mancer Originally by: Nybbas BUT HEY GUYS at least the caldari finally have the best Sniper BS!!! There I corrected it for u well here, let me rephrase... Ahem BUT HEY GUYS at least the caldari finally have the best long range bs/tanking/blaster bs in the game! to go along with the best EWAR battleship, to go along with the best missile battleship!! I whine about gallente, but then i look at the amarr and I feel a little better, but then i look back at the caldari and get ****ed again... I really do feel for you amarr people but at least the abbaddon is somewhat of a different ship than your first two tiers... the hype is a SLIGHTLY tweaked megathron with a new model...
Hotice	Posted - 2006.11.30 04:20:00 - [16] Just skip the battleships all together. Train for command ships and hacs. You will have pretty much same performance and more fun with smaller ships.
Nybbas Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2006.11.30 04:23:00 - [17] not everyone has the luxury of ignoring isk costs.
LordChaos Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.11.30 04:24:00 - [18] Apoc= Worthless maybe excpet in missions or cheapest tech2 sniper Abbadon= Makes Apoc worthless does everything better great Fleet BS , i would agree far better with AC's or Blasters in close range , but i still have to test it more with lasers Geddon= best Amarr BS and probably the only reason im playing Amarr The Master Of Chaos
Lithalnas Amarr Hadean Drive Yards	Posted - 2006.11.30 04:32:00 - [19] anyone try it with 1200mm canons yet? ------------- Cadet Lithalnas - Logistics Division - Hadean Drive Yards
Aladine	Posted - 2006.11.30 07:15:00 - [20] Ok, so if i was going to buy an Amarr battle ship, in the next few weeks, wich one would you recomned? (Missions ratting and complexes)
Waut 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.30 08:05:00 - [21] Edited by: Waut on 30/11/2006 08:06:19 Edited by: Waut on 30/11/2006 08:04:50 Originally by: Nybbas Originally by: Shadow Mancer Originally by: Nybbas BUT HEY GUYS at least the caldari finally have the best Sniper BS!!! There I corrected it for u well here, let me rephrase... Ahem BUT HEY GUYS at least the caldari finally have the best long range bs/tanking/blaster bs in the game! to go along with the best EWAR battleship, to go along with the best missile battleship!! I whine about gallente, but then i look at the amarr and I feel a little better, but then i look back at the caldari and get ****ed again... I really do feel for you amarr people but at least the abbaddon is somewhat of a different ship than your first two tiers... the hype is a SLIGHTLY tweaked megathron with a new model... Done whining? This tread was about Amarr Kthx In Soviet EVE, roids pop YOU
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.11.30 08:12:00 - [22] Originally by: Aladine Ok, so if i was going to buy an Amarr battle ship, in the next few weeks, wich one would you recomned? (Missions ratting and complexes) raven Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Nybbas Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2006.11.30 08:46:00 - [23] Originally by: Waut Edited by: Waut on 30/11/2006 08:06:19 Edited by: Waut on 30/11/2006 08:04:50 Originally by: Nybbas Originally by: Shadow Mancer Originally by: Nybbas BUT HEY GUYS at least the caldari finally have the best Sniper BS!!! There I corrected it for u well here, let me rephrase... Ahem BUT HEY GUYS at least the caldari finally have the best long range bs/tanking/blaster bs in the game! to go along with the best EWAR battleship, to go along with the best missile battleship!! I whine about gallente, but then i look at the amarr and I feel a little better, but then i look back at the caldari and get ****ed again... I really do feel for you amarr people but at least the abbaddon is somewhat of a different ship than your first two tiers... the hype is a SLIGHTLY tweaked megathron with a new model... Done whining? This tread was about Amarr Kthx done trolling? kthx. It isn't my fault that your reading comprehension is terrible... anyways back to the topic... The amarr definitely do need a boost, The abaddon as it seems, completely makes the apoc redundant, while the armageddon is still a very good cheap alternative to an abba. Sometimes (all the time) I really wonder what the devs are thinking when they start balancing and creating some of this crap...
Guylon	Posted - 2006.11.30 08:54:00 - [24] Kthx The amarr definitely do need a boost, The abaddon as it seems, completely makes the apoc redundant, while the armageddon is still a very good cheap alternative to an abba. Sometimes (all the time) I really wonder what the devs are thinking when they start balancing and creating some of this crap... Thank you that bit was helpfull. I would like to get an Abaddon, but since im a newer player i think i might going with the Armageddon for now thanks alot.
Nybbas Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2006.11.30 08:56:00 - [25] you would be better off training for caldari... much easier to mission run etc, and a very easy step into pvp as well (your ship options are open to nearly any style of gameplay now... turret use, missile use, ewar, tanking etc. they really have it ALL now.)
Securion Wolfheart Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2006.11.30 09:13:00 - [26] Originally by: Nybbas you would be better off training for caldari... much easier to mission run etc, and a very easy step into pvp as well (your ship options are open to nearly any style of gameplay now... turret use, missile use, ewar, tanking etc. they really have it ALL now.) Except any possibility to tank anything if you do pvp. Mwd, scram and web = no tank = dead, dead, dead. But oh yea we are sooo overpowered, arent we. We all see that from the huge numbers of Caldari ships we see out doing pvp. -----====----- Whether we bring our enemies to justice or bring justice to our enemies, justice will be done.
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.11.30 09:27:00 - [27] Originally by: Securion Wolfheart Originally by: Nybbas you would be better off training for caldari... much easier to mission run etc, and a very easy step into pvp as well (your ship options are open to nearly any style of gameplay now... turret use, missile use, ewar, tanking etc. they really have it ALL now.) Except any possibility to tank anything if you do pvp. Mwd, scram and web = no tank = dead, dead, dead. But oh yea we are sooo overpowered, arent we. We all see that from the huge numbers of Caldari ships we see out doing pvp. yes, cause filling your numerous meds with ew and filling your still plenty of lows (5 on a raven) with an armor tank is not an option at all. apoc was once a good miner...being the only Bs with 8 turret slots. sadly, caldari had to be number one here as well, the rokh has more cpu and 8 turrets. welcome your new mining BS overlord. apoc went from 1 to none. Originally by: Tuxford Yes we don't play on our main accounts simply because you would lose all respect for us
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.30 10:03:00 - [28] Whilst all battleships need support to be fully effective, this is more true of Amarrian ones. Get your support right (especially interceptors and EW boats), and you can dominate battlefields. Get your support wrong, or go in solo, and you could find yourself toast. On the skills side, cap skills are absolutely vital, particularly with the Abaddon. Energy Systems Operation, Energy Management and Controlled Bursts are the ones to go for. Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori It's great being Amarr, ain't it?
Sith8 The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.11.30 10:43:00 - [29] What really worries me is that 27.2% dmg nerf that T2 ammo received + the 20% range nerf.... add to that 50% hp boost all ships get and the 400% hp boost to Capitals. This basically means that it will take a lot to kill a BS, fleets will have to move closer and do less damage on better tanked ships. I really don¦t understand why T2 ammo was nerfed like that... Is it to narrow the space between lower Sp players and those with high Sp?.... well thanx alot for sticking with Eve and CCP since 2003, we are gonna nerf you back two years.
Royaldo Old Farts The Phantom Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.30 11:12:00 - [30] drop the base em armor resistance abit please. there are no solo amarr bs's out there. missions/ratting = apoc. dmg = arma. overpriced arma = abaddon.

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