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Polux
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Posted - 2003.11.15 15:24:00 -
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I got a Tempest few days ago and have been training skills and just try fittings whit friends in PVP friendly fights. I have found a fitting that I like and wantid to share whit you and maybe get you guys to fix it little bit.
High slots:
x4 1400mm Howitzer Artillery
x2 S-110 Sige Launcher
x2 M-12 Standard Launcher(Defenders)
Med slots:
x2 Shield Hardeners
x1 F-12 Nonlinear Tracking Processor
x1 ECCM Ladar
x1 XL shield booster
Low Slots:
x2 Photonic CPU Enhancer
x1 Power Diagnostic System
x1 Azimuth Descalloping Tracking Enhancer
x1 Pneumatic Stabilization Actuator
x1 F-90 Positional Signal
currently using 741 of 758 of the cap and 15545 of 15750.
This is it, give me a pointer if you would change anything.
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.11.15 18:53:00 -
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Ok for fleet battles, but if you do 1v1 and meet a closerange ship with repeating ari or hybrid blasters and a MWD you will loose, since you 1400mm won't be of much help if it orbits you with 400 ms at 5 km.
Missles won't be of much use to keep the attacker away from you since the enemy can use defenders as well and it is possible to dodge missles with a MWD while he get's in range. Same goes for incoming shots, those can be dodged with a MWD if your attacker knows his work until he's at close range.
 Ok for fleet battles, but for 1v1 either mount a MWD or get the hell out of there if you see someone approaching you with 2 kms.
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Bushido
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Posted - 2003.11.15 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: Bushido on 15/11/2003 19:11:50
Sorry
but is a very bad fit for a Tempest.
Tempest is the Top PvP ship,
with your fit you can be toasted even by a megathron
Ana is sayng other foolish things.
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CrazzlY
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Posted - 2003.11.15 19:09:00 -
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Edited by: CrazzlY on 15/11/2003 19:10:31
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Sorry
but is a very bad fit for a Tempest.
Tempest is the Top PvP ship,
with your fit you can be toasted even by a megathron
nothing wrong with the megathron 
Megathron is a very good ship - and when the patch will be on TQ - it will rule, so watch your words.
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.11.15 20:01:00 -
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Not really, MWD's are essential for 1v1. Missle and shot dodging works fine - if you don't believe me I can show you anytime at chaos, just drop me a message.
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.11.15 20:05:00 -
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Edited by: Nirvy on 15/11/2003 20:22:12
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Ok for fleet battles, but if you do 1v1 and meet a closerange ship with repeating ari or hybrid blasters and a MWD you will loose, since you 1400mm won't be of much help if it orbits you with 400 ms at 5 km.
Missles won't be of much use to keep the attacker away from you since the enemy can use defenders as well and it is possible to dodge missles with a MWD while he get's in range. Same goes for incoming shots, those can be dodged with a MWD if your attacker knows his work until he's at close range.
Ok for fleet battles, but for 1v1 either mount a MWD or get the hell out of there if you see someone approaching you with 2 kms.
I agree a MWD is cruicial, but in my last 2 month of PVP i have never had any ship orbit me at 5km, its just never happens, 99% of combat occurs at 15-40km in my experience, which is also the warp in, jump in range funnily enough :)
I would try 4/5 1400mm 3/4 Launchers (cruise or torps)
1 Em Hardener,
1 MWD (Disabled of course, it WILL save your live numerous times, there is ALWAYS someone out there who is equiped to tear your config apart)
2 Optical trackers (Maybe add a Sensor booster or + 3 to Ladar here)
1 Large Booster
2 CounterBalanced Mods
4 Power Diags (Maybe trade a power diag for a +2 Ladar, or something to recharge Cap.)
Of course this assumes you have lvl 5 Electronics, Engineering, Missile ops etc etc other wise you will need a CPU on there too
This isnt what i use on my tempest, but i think its a good starting point, your best bet is to experiment from here :)
The tempest imo (im baised ) Is the hardest hitting battleship. I regulary get Wreckings for 1100+ (they occur pretty frequently due to the 2 Optical trackers) and really shine in fleet battles due to the massive range, and incredible damage. My 1400mm can easily hit at 10km, but at 5km they miss more than they hit, then again 4 launchers with cruise or torps generally push any ship approaching me out of the way.
You REALLY need a lot of skills to use a tempest effectively, i ahve 4.6m Points and still have more skills i desperatly need to train, the bare minimum for piloting a tempest well in PVP would at least the following:
LVL5 Engineering
LVL5 Electronics
LVL4 Min Baship
LVL5 gunnery
LVL5 Drones
LVL5 Missile Ops
LVL4 Torps/Cruise
LVL4 Large Proj
LVL4 Sharpshooter
LVL4 T.Analysis
LVL4 S.Stroke
LVL4 Motion Prediction
LVL4 Weapon upgrades
LVL4 Rapid Firing
LVL4 Hull upgrades
LVL4 Sig Analysis
LVL4 Shield Ops
LVL4 ESO
And that lot doesn't include the specialties such as EW etc.
Not meaning to show off, just want to point out that the tempest needs a LOT of skills for 1v1 combat, you can prolly do with less for fleet fighting.
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Bushido
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Posted - 2003.11.15 20:17:00 -
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Edited by: Bushido on 15/11/2003 20:27:58
1. Sieges use too much CPU and fire you 2 low
2. XL shield same CPU problem. you fire a low
3. MWD in 1v1 = you die.
4. power diagnostic ??? why
5. i am testing much enhanchers and i have big doubt with them
6. 3 Buffs is a must for ROF
7. ECCM have sense only if you jump to 21 or 25 Ladar, also is better to fit other modules(only a noob can jam you with 16)
8 Defenders plz !!!!! on a Tempest ...
9. your ship is a duck. you forgot a little detail : speed
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.11.15 20:39:00 -
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3. MWD in 1v1 = you die.
Yes, if your attacker has a MWD and you not you die. In 1v1.
Ask any halfway experienced PVP'ler. You will get the same answer.
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Polux
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Posted - 2003.11.15 20:59:00 -
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Edited by: Bushido on 15/11/2003 19:11:50
Sorry
but is a very bad fit for a Tempest.
Tempest is the Top PvP ship,
with your fit you can be toasted even by a megathron
Ana is sayng other foolish things.
Well one thing I would like to say. Been testing theys fitting this one took out Megathron and Scorpion in 1VS2 and I raped a Apoc 1VS1.
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Bushido
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Posted - 2003.11.15 21:07:00 -
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if you are so sure why open a forum ?
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Stoop
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Posted - 2003.11.15 21:18:00 -
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MWD is a very good choice for 1 on 1. What happens if you pop out at 10k from them and they have blastesr and you have 1400s, you wont hit ****. What happens if you end up at 50k from then and they have 1400s, and you have blastesr, you wont hit ****. You can have it turend off, so if by chance you land at a good range you dont need it, otherwise its almost 100% needed to get you within your comfort zone.
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.11.15 21:23:00 -
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Edited by: Nirvy on 15/11/2003 21:26:39
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Edited by: Bushido on 15/11/2003 19:11:50
Sorry
but is a very bad fit for a Tempest.
Tempest is the Top PvP ship,
with your fit you can be toasted even by a megathron
Ana is sayng other foolish things.
Well one thing I would like to say. Been testing theys fitting this one took out Megathron and Scorpion in 1VS2 and I raped a Apoc 1VS1.
No chance a tempest can Take out a Scorp and Mega in 1v2. This is how it would go
Tempest fires on scorp
Scorp dampens you
Mega Shoots Tempest
Tempest has to warp out as he cant target unless he gets to 5km.
ANY scorp pilot can and will netralise a tempests totally. They are the only ship i that really worries me on 1v1, the Raven is a close second.
The mega and scorp must have been total n00bs for you to beat them.
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Stoop
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Posted - 2003.11.15 21:26:00 -
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For the original poster:
I'd be doing whatever I could to get rid of those photonic CPUs and rcu. The Tempest can be a very effective armor tank, and even a fairly effective sheild tank. You setup screams lack of skills honestly. Train em up.
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Bushido
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Posted - 2003.11.15 21:29:00 -
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mwd is always a big question:
mwd or not mwd
with an apocalypse 1v1 yoy risk much with mwd
but surely is an option
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.11.15 21:44:00 -
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As said, not if you know how to use it. I actually tested a MWD setup against a apoc with tachs on chaos. From 50 km. I killed the apoc without suffering armor damage.
The key is to use the low tracking of LR guns against them. Lower their tracking with 2-3 tracking inhibitors and don't simply approach the enemy (because you will then not "move" for it's turrets), but pilot manually a "curved" approach.
Disclaimer: I do not want to force "my way of gaming" on you or anything else, it's just that this tactics works.
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Graveheart
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Posted - 2003.11.15 22:08:00 -
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I have the best damn loadout for a tempest and crazy ******* skills forit. If any ppl wanna come see how good I am im up for PVP in Ennur or and other low sec. :P im j.k but if anyone wants to test there loadout on me feel free and ill suprise the hell outta you. 
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Stoop
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Posted - 2003.11.16 00:15:00 -
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Not braggin, only showing the effectiveness of a MWD in combat, especialyl against a Tempset. And as previous posters have pointed out, You fought some real retards if you won 1vs2.
I killed Number One, a known and accomplished member of Biomass with 1mwd and 3 afterburners on. I was set up for traveling, and had 6x medium limited ion blasters on (with a mere 726m optimal range) and a few bane torps. I had drones too but I was dumb and waxed them by shooting him with torps. He was in an amror tanked Tempest. DB Preacher had him WS and webbed, and I thought completely locked down, but he was just sensored dampened.
He was able to lock me because I was orbitin him at 2k with 3x abs on, doing aroun 200ms. He was not able to hit me well at all, and even with missle and drones, was only able to take to about 30% armor and 80% hull by the time I had him finished off. (I remind you in no way could I charge my sheild or armor). In a normal situation he would have throbbed the crap out of me, but since I was orbiting him so closely I dont think he was ever even able to land a single 1400mm shot in on me. So given a real figthing situation, I still would have been able to mwd to him and do the same thing, but with more realistic guns. I had those on to test them out. I had to run to empire on and didnt put any real guns on.
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Kaylon Syi
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Posted - 2003.11.16 08:42:00 -
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No reason to use Siege Launchers on a Tempest. Its not a CPU bird. No reason ot use defenders on a Tempest.
MWD in PvP is insurace... if you have the right skills to utilize it. Tempest is the perfect ship for MWD cause it uses Projectiles and Launchers... IE little cap use.
I'm not gonna tell you what you should use... cause my setup is my own... however i suggest you nix the Launchers... use Malkuth Incursions instead. Frees up CPU and fires faster ( albeit with reloading every 2 shots ) and you might want to use 1200mm if your skills aren't quite there yet. Work your way up to 1400mm...
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Barbicane
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Posted - 2003.11.16 10:55:00 -
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Edited by: Barbicane on 16/11/2003 11:05:40
For the high slots, I suggest 2x 1400mm (with EMP), 4x 1200mm (with Phased Plasma), 2x heavy launchers (with whatever you feel like). You can ditch the photonics but you're going to need another RCU.
Orbit at 25 km and let him have it
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Polux
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Posted - 2003.11.16 14:42:00 -
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The scorpion was not using jammers he was in tank mode. Stared by taking out the megathorn the scorpion was 60 km away shoting missles and probably 2 turrets at me the defenders kept the missles away and the last blow on the megathron was at 12 km where the guns hit for 300. Know that this is for long range combat since I have a fast BS. I don't use MWD on it coz it is my thinking that only people that are going to run use the MWD since it killes you shield and takes 25% of the cap(doesn't matter for a Tempest). So if you don't fit the MWD you don't think about running.
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Toulak
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Posted - 2003.11.16 15:28:00 -
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Not really, MWD's are essential for 1v1. Missle and shot dodging works fine - if you don't believe me I can show you anytime at chaos, just drop me a message.
I will happily take you 1vs1 in whatever ship your in, I will be in my raven and Ill show you how crap a MWD is in 1vs1..
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.11.16 18:18:00 -
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Edited by: Ana Khouri on 16/11/2003 18:27:02
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I will happily take you 1vs1 in whatever ship your in, I will be in my raven and Ill show you how crap a MWD is in 1vs1..
Mhh.. A raven will be tricky, but probably doable. I have send you a message on chaos stating when I have time.
You are familiar with chaos?
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qrac
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Posted - 2003.11.16 19:11:00 -
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if you're going ahead with this can u msg me 2 so i can watch?
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Stoop
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Posted - 2003.11.16 19:37:00 -
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Figthing a Raven with a MWD could be a serious problem given that missles dont have conventional tracking like other guns. You use the MWD to thwart the slow tracking of large guns. Maybe after the next patch where hybrids get soem love, you could possibly take out a raven with a well equiped megathron, but it would still be dificult.
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Vegeta
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Posted - 2003.11.17 11:39:00 -
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All you people saying youll get raped 1v1 then naming setups without a warp scrambler? What good are those setups if your target can just warp out once your winning.
The fact is the tempest is not a 1v1 ship, the 1400's do their best damage at +20km and therefore you shouldnt go closer than that.
I have two different setups for my tempest, depends on how large a force im fighting with.
With a big force i put on my max damage setup with lots of counterbalanced/orion tracking cpu's. The perfect hits on that setup can reach upto 1100 or more. I usually put on a LiF AB with that setup so i can get my optimal range faster.
When fighting with a smaller group i like to tank up my tempest with shield hardeners, a shield boost amplifier and a Large C5-L. Its very easy sustaining the cap with cap relays since nothing goes into firing the guns. Damage goes down a bit (perfects around 800).
I never even bother putting on warp scramblers or webifiers since i never use them, my range is too far away. Also a MWD sucks on a tempest, sucks on any ship for pvp besides maybe EW ships. You already got the speed advantage on a tempest and you should use it to get the optimal range.
2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
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Polux
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Posted - 2003.11.17 12:19:00 -
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Finaly somone that is saying what I want to hear about the MWD. They kill you.
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.11.17 14:39:00 -
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Edited by: Ana Khouri on 17/11/2003 14:41:49
It's of not much use for gate/jumpin camping, I agree here.
As for the duel against a raven - I tinkered together a quite amusing setup yesterday evening, it should work splendidly against it
@ stoop: hint: missles HAVE some sort of tracking 
If I manage to work around a certain bug, that is.
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Samis
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Posted - 2003.11.17 14:47:00 -
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I want to hear about how that battle goes. Would be interesting to know the result.
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Toulak
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Posted - 2003.11.17 16:16:00 -
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Mhh.. A raven will be tricky, but probably doable. I have send you a message on chaos stating when I have time.
Yeah Ive been on chaos a few times, how upto date is it with skills wise?
Ill be happy to show you how useless a MWD is in 1vs1
Ill start updating a second copy of eve for chaos.
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.11.17 16:51:00 -
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Should be ok, last update was 5 days ago.
We probably need a few attempts to find a time where the lag isn't as bad - it was completly unplayable yesterday evening, but ok this afternoon.
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