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Aquae Gallente Die Trying Kith of Venal	Posted - 2006.11.30 11:11:00 - [1] Myrmidon PVP setup just bought one yesterday, this is how i fitted it... High slot: 5* 200mm T2, 1* Small named Nos (E5) Med slot:110AB T2, 1named scrambler, 1Sensor Booster T2, 1Drone navigation, 1* Named Cap booster (800 charges) Low slot: 2med repairer T2, 1named control damage, 1EANM T2, 1 Explo Hardner T2, 1*MFS T2 Drone Bay: 10 valkyrie T2, 5 hobgoblin T2 I wanted to fit a drone link augmentor in High instead of the small nos but i was short in cpu. Anyway i believe it is not a bad setup but i also didn't manage to try it on the server test so i might be mistaken somewhere..)) any comment ? Your signature is too large. Please see the Forum Rules for the limits - Serathu ([email protected])
nomistseb Gallente Myster0ns	Posted - 2006.11.30 11:18:00 - [2] i have been messing with it the last half hour and tbh cnt figure a decent set up yet, iwas going with 250 t2, drone aug, and sensor damps in mids but tbh i am still messing not sure if range or blaster, I am still working on it trying to think outside the box as per usual but your set up in my humble opinion sounds ok Regs Nomi
Sheeana	Posted - 2006.11.30 11:22:00 - [3] You know you dont have to use hybrid wepons on this ship, infact its easyer to fit projectiles for more range and bigger tank ie, plate. I like having around 8k armour...
nomistseb Gallente Myster0ns	Posted - 2006.11.30 11:27:00 - [4] i have no idea about projectiles only hybrids could you give me a few pointers pls
Mazare Mircea Gallente Delta team Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.30 11:32:00 - [5] Medium AC's have very relaxed fitting requirements compared to blasters, and quite higher range - if you consider falloff. Try 1600mm plate + dual 180's + med nos + MWD. Played with a similar setup on the test server but i can't remember in detail all of it. Also, in Revelations passive tank is more important then active tank ... personally i wouldn't go with a dual repper setup, even with the bonus of 7.5% / level to efficiency. ----- Do androids dream of electric sheep ?
Jin Entres Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.30 11:40:00 - [6] 3 Heavy Electron Blaster II 3 Medium Diminishing Nos 1 10MN AB II 1 Fleeting Web 1 Warp Disruptor 1 Medium Electrochemical Cap Injector 1 ECCM - Magnetometric II 3 EANM II 1 Internal DCU 2 MAR II Rigs: 2 Nanobot accelerator (15% repair efficiency), 1 Core EX (30% Armor explosive resis) Drones: 5 Hammerhead II, 5 Valkyrie II, 5 Warrior II Repairers at BC V = 581.9 hp / 9 sec = 129 hp/sec with both running ---
Melicien Tetro Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.30 12:40:00 - [7] Ahem! My pvp setup is as follows.. 6 medium nos t2 ab web/scram Whatever you want in the other two mediums, damps, ecm, cap stuff, drone things.. 2 MAR II 3 Active hardeners 1 Damage control 5 Ogres T2 For rigs, I'd advise tanking rigs, specifically the repper time/repper boost ones. I tried to fight a shark with a pistol underwater once, and I'll be **ed if he didn't laugh at me and eat me. Sharks need a ***** nerf. True story.
Tadis Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.30 12:52:00 - [8] Just set-up me first 3 x Heavy Electron II 3 x medium nos (named) 1 x 10mn Mwd (named) 1 x 20k 1 x web 1 x cap injector 1 x tracking disruptor 2 x med rep II 3 x N-type hardeners 1 x adaptive nano II 5 x heavy II's ___________________________________
Flaming sambuka Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.30 12:57:00 - [9] 6x med nos 1x 10mn ab, 1x 20km, 2x web, 1x cap booster 1x med rep, 3x hardeners, 1x eanm, 1x dcu 10x med drones 5x light drones Switch all to tech 2/best named and you will pwn mostly anything, have fun. Trinity Nova Mercenary Services
Sedai Hara	Posted - 2006.11.30 13:02:00 - [10] PLayed around with this on test server, ad i made qiet a punch 3x heavy neutrons t2(anode if fitting problems) 3x medium NOS (named) 1x 10mn MWD 2x x5 webbers 1x 20km scrambker 1x cap recharger 2x MAR IIs 1x magstab II 3x Fitting mods? cant remember if it was 5 or 6 slots and ofc.. 5x t2 heavies You can ofc also sniper a bit 3x remote reppers 3x medium NOS 3x sensor boosters 3x omni¦s 2xMAr IIs 1x 1600mm plate 2x RCU II AND 5X BOUNCERS, u get a decent range and a pretty good dmg, its mostly anti-frig and cruiser.
Kulmid Nubs. Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.30 13:08:00 - [11] 3x Heavy Ion Blaster II 3x med nos MWD, web, 20km disruptor, injector, tracking disruptor EXplosive hardener II, 2x EANM, dmg control, 2x med rep 9 valk II's 7 Warrior II's 1x 10% grid rig 2x repper effeciency rig
Galen Silas Gallente Mean Corp	Posted - 2006.11.30 15:08:00 - [12] 6x Medium Diminishing nos ----------------- 1x 10mn AB II 1x Fleeting propulsion webby 1x 20km warp scram 1x Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron 1x Tracking distruptor II ----------------- 2x MAR II's 2x EANM II's 1x Armor Explosive Hardener II 1x Internal Force Field Array ----------------- 10x Hammerhead II's/Vespa II's/5x Light Tech2 drones ----------------- Rigs: Increased armor rep, Decreased armor rep duration, increase efficiency of tracking distruptors..... As you can see i am not aware of the full names, they are lsot in thought but they work well :) Setup works good, i have tried it on the test server plenty of times. There is no point in using guns on the myrmidon really, it gets absolutely no bonus's to them. Best bet is to make a nos boat out of it. The target painter really helps against frigs even cruiser, small difference is amde with larger ships but its still there. As far as the tracking distruptor goes, everyone should know how good a tracking distruptor works :).
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2006.11.30 16:01:00 - [13] Ok i've seen at least 2 full nos setups on here with a ab. medium nos is very short range so should always be fit with an mwd in my opinion. i used on the test server 4 ions, 2 medium nos mwd, 20km scram, web, medium injector, eccm 2 x medium rep II, energised reactive II, eanm II, dmg control, mag stab II, does nice dps with ogre II's but this ship should be very versatile so many different setups will be good on here DE
Waxau Liberty Rogues	Posted - 2006.11.30 16:04:00 - [14] Edited by: Waxau on 30/11/2006 16:08:25 Ok some of those are kinda good, some arent. Can i point out, no one likes a nos domi - I have little respect for those pilots as they use cookie cutter setups, and dont use any skill when flying them (no offence folks) 6 ion II 10mn mwd, web, scramble, sensor booster, cap injector (800) 3 hardeners, 2 armor rep II, rcu 5 heavy drones Simple <EDIT> Just fyi - This setup took on my corpies sleipnir - and that thing can solo BS. Not sure if the Myrmidon could, but i think it could fair pretty well if it had the close range advantage
Sir Howard Gallente Infinity Aeronautics EntroPraetorian Aegis	Posted - 2006.11.30 16:04:00 - [15] Hmm how about something different then... 4 Med Beam Lazers Drone Interfacing Med Nos AB Sensor Booster 3 Remote Sensor Damps Heat Sink And your choice of the rest of lows.. Dont know if it fits but I like it "This is a bad idea wrapped in a horrible plan and shipped in a retarded box"
SunTzuRaven Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.30 18:43:00 - [16] Highs 4 425 ACs, 2 Med nos Meds AB, 2 webs, scrammer, injector mebbe? Lows Dual T2 med reppers, 2 Active hardeners(therm, kin), 2 EAN II Without the cap use from guns, its a lot easier to use the reppers. Probably a bit less dmg then with blasters, but they aren't meant to be your main dmg source anyway. Both reppers can run for quite a long time. ________________________________________ <("<) <('')> (>")>
Phrixus Zephyr Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.11.30 21:34:00 - [17] Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 30/11/2006 21:35:32 Last time i was on the test server was before everyone went NOS crazy, but i'll throw it out anyway. 6x T2 Ion w/void T2 mwd, Scram, 2xWeb, Cap booster w/800s 2x T2 med reppers, Exp/kin/therm hards, Dmg control 5x Ogres Didn't have any rigs and i went toe to toe with a handfull of ships and it did alright. Was close enough to scoop drones if they were targets but i get the feeling with heavies people will make a determined effort to pop them. As i said i think NOS may > anything these days.
Velsharoon Gallente Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.30 22:02:00 - [18] Yeh nos isnt cool but it works :/ If i wanted to be different i would buy one and pvp with mining lasers on!
Kailiao The Black Fleet	Posted - 2006.11.30 22:04:00 - [19] Edited by: Kailiao on 30/11/2006 22:06:41 Edited by: Kailiao on 30/11/2006 22:05:03 Solid set-up i have been testing, with good dps, and a great tank. :) HIGH SLOTS: 5 Light Neutron Blasters Teck 2 (void ammo) 1 Best named Med Nos MID SLOTS: 1 Best named Microwarpdrive 1 %90 web 1 Fleeting 20k scrambler 1 Electrochemical Medium cap booster (800 charges) 1 Best Named Target Painter OR Teck 2 tracking Disrupter LOW SLOTS: 2 Med Armor rep's Teck 2 1 Thermal Armor Hardner Teck 2 (active) 1 Explosion Armor Hardner Teck 2 (active) 1 Kinetic Armor hardner Teck 2 (active) 1 1600mm rolled thungston Plate DRONES: 5 Teck 2 Ogre's %70+ resists across the board Enough dps to break allmost any tank Around 10k armor RIGS: Either the %15 to armor rigs, or any that help your rep cycle time, or amount, tho the speed penilty hurts :)
Versa Scout	Posted - 2006.12.04 23:41:00 - [20] Well, heres my Myrm Setup. Im not completely sure of what to put in the last Mid slot so any ideas would be helpful. Highs: 6x Med Ion II's Mids: 1x 10MN AB II 1x 90% web 1x 20km Scrambler 1x Med Electrochem Cap booster (800's) 1x (?) Lows: 2x MAR II's 2x EANM II's 1x IFFA I 1x Armor Explosive Hardener II Drones: 3x Ogres 2x 'Zerkers -------------------------------------------------- Now for that last Mid slot, I was thinking maybe: -a Sensor Damp -an ECCM mod -a Sensor booster -a Cap recharger (so I dont have to rely on the cap booster as much. I want the charges to be used for anti-Nos, and as a little boost when I need them, not to keep the ship running.) Any Ideas / feedback would be appreicated
Xion Dsurion Gallente Arcana Imperii Ltd.	Posted - 2006.12.06 14:46:00 - [21] managed to take an electron, dual large rep megathron with this (shows how much blasters got nerfed) ----------------------- 3 med nos 1 med neutralizer 2 small nos ----------------------- mwd jammer medium cap injector 2 weapon disruptor ----------------------- 2 med armor rep damage control 3 active hardeners (exp/therm/kin) ----------------------- 4 ogres, 5 hobgoblins -----------------------
Foulis Minmatar Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.06 15:02:00 - [22] ROFL at people listing what rigs you should use =D That would increase the ship cost by about 1-2 billion easy with the way salvage is ATM. It's like listing a setup and saying "this is great if you have a high-grade crystal set". ---- Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari NO WORDS IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE ARE SPELLED WITH THE NUMBER "8" IN THEM GODDAMNIT!
Kruel Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.12.06 15:37:00 - [23] Originally by: Versa Scout Highs: 6x Med Ion II's Mids: 1x 10MN AB II 1x 90% web 1x 20km Scrambler 1x Med Electrochem Cap booster (800's) 1x (?) Lows: 2x MAR II's 2x EANM II's 1x IFFA I 1x Armor Explosive Hardener II Erm, you using a pg rig to fit all that? TBH you're better off with a full rack of 220 autos... oh, and it fits.
nomistseb Gallente Myster0ns	Posted - 2006.12.07 11:16:00 - [24] I took on a corp mates drake in a 5 med 1 small nos set up. He couldnt break my tank and i would have beaten him in the end but had he targeted my drones i think i could have been in trouble as i was using 5 heavys so re thinking about using meds instead he ran out of cap pretty quick and was a nice set up only ever really used one rep most of the time. regs nomi
Galen Silas Gallente Mean Corp	Posted - 2006.12.07 14:01:00 - [25] Edited by: Galen Silas on 07/12/2006 14:01:24 Many of us have NOS setups because we want to win when we get into a fight and it works, and there isn't much point in using blasters when you get no bonus's for em. It doesn't really tie you down to blasters which can be a good thing, if your gonna fit guns, fit AC's they dont take cap. Point is NOS works and it may be a "cookie cutter" setup but as far as i have experienced it's a good one and i go into a fight to win.
Sir Howard Gallente Infinity Aeronautics EntroPraetorian Aegis	Posted - 2006.12.07 14:41:00 - [26] Originally by: Galen Silas Edited by: Galen Silas on 07/12/2006 14:01:24 Many of us have NOS setups because we want to win when we get into a fight and it works, and there isn't much point in using blasters when you get no bonus's for em. It doesn't really tie you down to blasters which can be a good thing, if your gonna fit guns, fit AC's they dont take cap. Point is NOS works and it may be a "cookie cutter" setup but as far as i have experienced it's a good one and i go into a fight to win. That maybe so and I dont really care if people use the "cookie cutter" setup. But personally I find the best part of this game is coming up with my own setups and seeing how well they work. Ya some fail but then some work great and its a good feeling. And besides, if everyone does use 6 nos well then I just know what to expect. "This is a bad idea wrapped in a horrible plan and shipped in a retarded box"
Versa Scout	Posted - 2006.12.07 15:19:00 - [27] Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Versa Scout Highs: 6x Med Ion II's Mids: 1x 10MN AB II 1x 90% web 1x 20km Scrambler 1x Med Electrochem Cap booster (800's) 1x (?) Lows: 2x MAR II's 2x EANM II's 1x IFFA I 1x Armor Explosive Hardener II Erm, you using a pg rig to fit all that? TBH you're better off with a full rack of 220 autos... oh, and it fits. Myrm Base Grid: 1175 Myrm Grid with Eng 5: 1468.75 -Stock Heavy Ion II req PG: 158 Heavy Ion II req PG with AWU 3: 148.52 x6: 891.12 -MAR PG: 173 x2: 346 -Med Electrochem Cap booster PG: 150 -10MN AB II PG: 55 -PG for Msc. Tanking/EW mods: 10 1468.75 - 891.12 - 346 - 150 - 55 - 10 = 16.63 Grid to spare... AWU at lvl 3 isnt really too hard to get. Im not spec'd in AC's. I dont even have small projectiles trained at all. I like my blasters just fine... oh, and it fits.
Kruel Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.12.07 15:34:00 - [28] Edited by: Kruel on 07/12/2006 15:40:19 Originally by: Versa Scout Myrm Base Grid: 1175 No kiddin... they upped it from 1100? I can't check the actual numbers at work and all the online database numbers for the Myrm are outdated. Also, on closer inspection looks like you're using an AB on your setup. I saw blasters and assumed MWD (big pg difference). Not sure I'd ever use blasters without mwd.
Breki Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.07 15:42:00 - [29] here's what i have 4 x t2 heavy ion blasters 2 x t2 heavy electron blasters 1 x 10mn mwd 1 x warp disruptor 1 x stasis web 1 x medium cap injector 1 x target painter/sensor booster 2 x medium armor repairers t2 1 x armor kinetic hardener 1 x armor thermic hardener 1 x armor explosive hardener 1 x damage control 5 x ogres all stuff in med and lows is t2/named Originally by: Avon Iceland, where even their singers are in to PvP.
Sir Howard Gallente Infinity Aeronautics EntroPraetorian Aegis	Posted - 2006.12.07 15:43:00 - [30] Originally by: Kruel Edited by: Kruel on 07/12/2006 15:40:19 Originally by: Versa Scout Myrm Base Grid: 1175 No kiddin... they upped it from 1100? I can't check the actual numbers at work and all the online database numbers for the Myrm are outdated. Also, on closer inspection looks like you're using an AB on your setup. I saw blasters and assumed MWD (big pg difference). Not sure I'd ever use blasters without mwd. I dont remember it ever being 1100, unless it was during the beta "This is a bad idea wrapped in a horrible plan and shipped in a retarded box"
Versa Scout	Posted - 2006.12.07 17:18:00 - [31] Edited by: Versa Scout on 07/12/2006 17:22:39 Originally by: Sir Howard Originally by: Kruel Edited by: Kruel on 07/12/2006 15:40:19 No kiddin... they upped it from 1100? I can't check the actual numbers at work and all the online database numbers for the Myrm are outdated. Also, on closer inspection looks like you're using an AB on your setup. I saw blasters and assumed MWD (big pg difference). Not sure I'd ever use blasters without mwd. I dont remember it ever being 1100, unless it was during the beta Im using it for small gang PvP. If I wanted to do solo, Id find a way to get a MWD on for sure. If worse comes to worse, I can drop the Explosive hardener for a PDS or something, which will give more than enough grid for a MWD, But I feel fitting mods are a waste of a low slot. And Yup, its 1175, I just checked my in-game hangar (currently as of 12/7)
Zack K'Lorna Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS	Posted - 2006.12.24 12:17:00 - [32] This set-up works well: Hi: 4x Medium NOS (Best Named or T2) 2x T2 Light Neutron Blasters w/Void S Med: 1x T2 10MN AB 1x 20KM Warp Srcam 2x Medium Cap Boosters w/800 1x Web or Tracking Disruptor or Damp (Whatever You Prefer) Best Named or T2) Low: 1x Damage Control (Best Named or T2) 3x Armor Hardners (Ken/Therm/Exp) Best named or T2) 2x T2 Medium Armor Rep's. Drones: 5x Heavy Combat Drones (T2 Works really nice). The small turrets for removing drones with the help of the web & to threaten frig hull'd ships. - And then to deal extra damage to your main target. AB will get you in NOS'ing range eventually, (With the help of a Faction Web :P), untill then the cap boosters can help you with your tank that can pretty much hold anything back depending on your skills. ('Dmg Type' Armor Compensation, For example). T2 heavy Drones will deal out the damage and as long as you keep an eye on them and keep cycling the scoop and engage target method, you can pretty much take on and kill BattleShips in this. o/
Rihannah SniggWaffe	Posted - 2006.12.28 17:14:00 - [33] Edited by: Rihannah on 28/12/2006 17:14:14 My advice to everyone using heavy drones. Use the drones liek this 3 heavy drones (75m3) 5 medium drones (50m3) = (125m3) Which means you have 3 spare medium drones for when your drones start getting bbq'd. also you can just send out your 5 medium drones against smaller ships. or play about with it - but i personally would never carry just 5 drones if they were my only source of damage. Everytime one drone gets popped your dps will go down drastically. However there are clever ways to recall your drones etc but they dont always work. ************************* 5 Seconds means 5 Seconds
Drakhis Caldari Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.29 23:03:00 - [34] High 4x Medium Diminishing Nos 2x Medium Ion Blaster II Mid 1x 7500m Warp scram 1x 20km Warp scram 1x Web 2x Cap recharger's Low 2x Medium Armor repairer II 1x Active Explosive Hardener 1x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 1x Therm Passive Hardener 1x Kin Passive Hardener Drone bay 5x Light w/e damage type you want 5x Med Any damage type 2x Heavy Any damage type Ammo should be Antimatter All that we see or seem is but a Dream within a dream
Ikvar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.30 00:04:00 - [35] Edited by: Ikvar on 30/12/2006 00:04:22 I use: 6x Heavy Electron Blaster II w/ Void or Null. 1x 10mn MWD II, Warp Disruptor (best named or TS/DB/Domi), Web (Best named or TS/DB/Domi), Medium Electrochemical Cap Booster w/ 800s, Sensor Booster II (usually). 1x MAR II, 1x 1600 Tungsten Plate, Damage Control II, 3x EANM II (or faction). 5 T2 Heavy Drones. Rigs: Ancillary Current Router I x1 Whatever x2 Fits without the rigs too, you just need to drop the 1600 Tungsten to an 800 II. Originally by: Rekindle I was in an empire system when they used their grief tactics to explode everything I own.
king jks	Posted - 2006.12.30 00:46:00 - [36] I have to say I'm very much in love with this ship, I realize the domi is bigger and better but I can't be arsed to fly a ship that looks like a giant piece of **** :O anyway here's my setup: Myrmidon Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I [120xAntimatter Charge M] Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I [120xAntimatter Charge M] Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I [120xAntimatter Charge M] Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I [120xAntimatter Charge M] Modal Electron Particle Accelerator I [200xAntimatter Charge M] Modal Electron Particle Accelerator I [200xAntimatter Charge M] Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Faint Warp Prohibitor I Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I [1xCap Booster 800] F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Armor Explosive Hardener II 5x Hammerhead II 5x Valkyrie II 5x Warrior II Once I get T2 blasters I'll be doing 4x Electron II and 2x medium diminishing nos, but thats about 20 days away ;o I also use 10 mediums and 5 lights because they give me more options, but if you know what you're going up against I would say use heavies. This is one beauty of a ship.
Mephesto Nizal	Posted - 2006.12.30 02:25:00 - [37] anyone tried a mix of nos and neutralisers?
shadowfaxer	Posted - 2006.12.30 04:43:00 - [38] Edited by: shadowfaxer on 30/12/2006 04:45:22 Edited by: shadowfaxer on 30/12/2006 04:45:00 My setup high: 4 medium diminishing system 2 small unstable power fluctuator med: 1 warp disraptor t2 1 fleeting propulsion inhibitor 1 yt-8 overcharged microcarbon microwarpdrive 1 f-90positional sensor subroutines 1 medium bectochemical cap boostger /800 low: 1 armor explosive hardner t2 1 armor kinetik hardner t2 1 armor thermih hardener t2 1 damage control t2 2 small armor repearers t2 any critics or advice?
Zana Kito	Posted - 2006.12.30 12:12:00 - [39] Here's a decent PvP setup for the Myrm: HI: Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II Dual 180mm AutoCannon II I'd go with autocannons since the Myrm does not have bonuses for any particular turrets. These weapons drain no cap which is a big bonus, and have a much greater effective range than blasters offering flexibility. Flexibility = good. MED: Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive (MWD required for closing range asap) Medium Cap Booster w/ 800 X5 Web 20Km Warp Scrambler Empty Slot - free for whatever you prefer. LOW: Medium Armor Repairer II x 2 3 Harderners (Exp, Kin, Ther) 1 Damage Control This setup fits with engie 5, and doesn't require very high weapon upgrade or adv wep upgrade skills. If you have those, you can squeeze in extra juice by changing the template some. Drones: 4 x Heavy, 5 x Warrior T2 You basically can release 4 heavy and 1 light to fight cruisers and above. It's around the effectiveness of ~4.25 Heavies in dps, which is still plenty. But the 5 Light T2 drones will allow you to destroy frigs with ease. It's a flexible setup. With decent NOS ability but also nice range on turrets that do decent dps without using cap.
Turelle Dark Storm Syndicate Galactic-Federation	Posted - 2007.03.27 11:09:00 - [40] Edited by: Turelle on 27/03/2007 11:09:36 this is my pvp setup. I know it's probably best to use AC's but i can't use the T2 version like i can hybrids. Hi 3x heavy electron blaster II (void or null) 3x medium diminishing Med 10mn ab II fleeting web warp disruptor sensor booster II medium electrochemical cap booster (800) Lo 2x med rep II armor kinetic hardener armor thermic hardener armor explosive hardener Damage control II Drone bay 5x ogre II or 5x berserker Resitance 64% 61% 72% 72% this has proved itself many times. have fun
TheRedemption	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:10:00 - [41] hey guys, was just tinkering around in quickfit and came up with this: high: 6x Medium nos (change round to diminishing or whatever takes your fancy) med: AB II Warp distruptor Tracking Distruptor 2x Stasis webbies low: 1x RCU MAR 3x active hardners ( therm, kinetic,explosive) 1x EANM 10x hammmerhead II 5X Hobogoblin II (change drones for whatever you prefer) am running the cap simulation now, and its staying at around 75% for last 20mins. The idea is to get in close (couldnt fit the MWD, but im sure with some work i could fit it) web, disrupt and scram them. Suck the cap out of them and blast them to high heaven with the drones :D anyone got any thoughts if this is a half decent setup please tell me, thou keep the flames to a minimum lol
TheRedemption	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:14:00 - [42] oh yea the stats of the ship itself is as follows: Sheild hp:4491 armour hp: 8145 EM: 66% Therm: 61.75% Kinetic: 71.74% Explosive: 71.74%
Spurgo	Posted - 2007.05.07 12:25:00 - [43] Imo to tank this ship pretty well u have to use in low and rigs: 2 ENAM II 1 DMG control II 2 MAR II 1 EXPLO II rigs: 1 aux nano pump 1 term res 1 kin res res r like 78-77-74-74 not bad if u think u can run 2 reppers pretty well with 4 nosses and 1 medium cap recharger, and those MAR rep for 508 each every 9 secs. Usually i fly with med drones t2 (12) but if u r cleavcer and use sens dampener II and fly at contact with your enemy u can use 5 ogreII and be rdy to recall em all! Dont fight drakes or feroxes cleaver pilot or they dual shoot your drones!
VaderDSL Caldari Incoherent Inc	Posted - 2007.05.07 12:34:00 - [44] Edited by: VaderDSL on 07/05/2007 12:31:31 This requires AWU 5 3 * 220mm Scout Autocannons 3 * E50 Nosferatu T2 10MN MWD F-90 Sensor Booster T2 Warp Disruptor Electrochem Cap Booster (800's) Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM 2 * T2 MAR 1 * T2 Explosive Hardener 1 * T2 Kinetic Hardener 1 * T2 Thermic Hardener 1 * T2 Damage Control 2 * Repair AMount Rigs 1 * Repair duration rig 5 * T2 Ogre's Only odd thing about my setup is the sensor booster and ECCM, I have tested against my corp mate in a scorpion with dampeners and multispecs. With the ECCM I was only jammed on 3 cycles out of about 20 or more, the sensor booster lets me lock quicker and at range. BTW this is not a solo boat, you can drop the sensor booster for a web if you like, but i'll have other people to web. BIG Lottery
Sahriah BloodStone	Posted - 2007.05.23 05:21:00 - [45] Is it possible to use just normal medium nos instead of Diminishing which at the moment costs around 14mil EACH in jita...My myrm is my pvp ship but i dont want a myrm that costs me 150mil to loose...The only setup that works well is 2x med diminishing nos and 4x heavy electron blaster II's but it cost to much...So my question is are 4 t2 electrons worth the money for the DPS?
Lore Isander Caldari The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen	Posted - 2007.05.23 05:30:00 - [46] 6x Heavy Neutron Blaster II 1x 10mn MWD II 1x Medium Elec Cap Booster 1x Disruptor II 2x Web II (or 1x Web II, 1x Balmer Tracking Disruptor) 2x 800mm Tungsten 3x Mag Stab II 1x DCU II 3x Ancillary Current Router 5x Ogre II -5% Turret CPU Usage Implant ~950 DPS with maxed skills (same as mine).
avelon serenity	Posted - 2007.06.09 02:21:00 - [47] Edited by: avelon serenity on 09/06/2007 02:22:02 hi this is my set up for pvp hi: 3 t2 heavey neutrons and 1 t2 heavey ion,2 small named nos meds: named 10mn mwd, 20k scram, web, sensor booster, named cap booster with 800's lows: 2 t2 med armour reps, 1 best named dam con, 3 active hardners t2 or best named drones: 5 t2 ogers rigs: i use three armour pumps( increased armour rep amount) with bc5 i rep over 1200 every 8-9 seconds i think of the top of my head its a slow as feck set up thats why i use the mwd to close the range but it tanks like a mofo i solo'd 2 ac tempests with this set up (not sure of their skill but still i owned) and i find no proble killing any bc's i come across. only problem i come across is if they have frig suppot coz they tend to kill my drones and my dps drop's dramaticly, but if ur with a gang or small group this set up should rock. any advice on tweaking this set up would be nice :)
KD.Fluffy The Refugees	Posted - 2007.06.22 00:38:00 - [48] holy cow this ship is too good to be true. I started training for it today, I have a feeling by the time I'm ready to fly it it will be nerfed. Currently I am a caldari rail pilot and have ogod skills with hybrids. Drone skills are on the low side, but even with my crap drone skills this ship outdamage most of my ships easily. Just gotta get the armor tanking skills up and i'm in the thing lols! Can't wait for my i-win I was trying out some fits with it, and the power grid is FREAKING AMAZING! I was able to fit a dual rep, dual injected tank witha full rack of medium electron blasters. Needless to say I was shocked.
Mithrantir Ob'lontra Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2007.06.22 02:36:00 - [49] Originally by: KD.Fluffy holy cow this ship is too good to be true. I started training for it today, I have a feeling by the time I'm ready to fly it it will be nerfed. Currently I am a caldari rail pilot and have ogod skills with hybrids. Drone skills are on the low side, but even with my crap drone skills this ship outdamage most of my ships easily. Just gotta get the armor tanking skills up and i'm in the thing lols! Can't wait for my i-win I was trying out some fits with it, and the power grid is FREAKING AMAZING! I was able to fit a dual rep, dual injected tank witha full rack of medium electron blasters. Needless to say I was shocked. If you don't have drone skills at least medium to good, i would advise against getting in one Myrmidon. The ship may be versatile on the fittings (it is and there are many set ups that work) but the main damage output is always the drones. If you have mediocre skills in that tree you won't manage to get good damage or efficiency. ------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it.
MotoTsume Gallente Clan Black Scorpion	Posted - 2007.06.22 04:12:00 - [50] Any setup that has just nos and drones - is BONED from the get go since once the drones are dead the ship is dead also and since it is not the fastest boat in any fleet - most can stay out of nos range of a myrmidon It's just a game........Or is it?????
Mimiru Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.06.22 05:07:00 - [51] Originally by: Jin Entres 3 Heavy Electron Blaster II 3 Medium Diminishing Nos 1 10MN AB II 1 Fleeting Web 1 Warp Disruptor 1 Medium Electrochemical Cap Injector 1 ECCM - Magnetometric II 3 EANM II 1 Internal DCU 2 MAR II Rigs: 2 Nanobot accelerator (15% repair efficiency), 1 Core EX (30% Armor explosive resis) Drones: 5 Hammerhead II, 5 Valkyrie II, 5 Warrior II Repairers at BC V = 581.9 hp / 9 sec = 129 hp/sec with both running thats EXACTLY what i have fitted, and i made it up all by myself o_O its purty ---------
Mimiru Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.06.22 05:07:00 - [52] Originally by: Mimiru Originally by: Jin Entres 3 Heavy Electron Blaster II 3 Medium Diminishing Nos 1 10MN AB II 1 Fleeting Web 1 Warp Disruptor 1 Medium Electrochemical Cap Injector 1 ECCM - Magnetometric II 3 EANM II 1 Internal DCU 2 MAR II Rigs: 2 Nanobot accelerator (15% repair efficiency), 1 Core EX (30% Armor explosive resis) Drones: 5 Hammerhead II, 5 Valkyrie II, 5 Warrior II Repairers at BC V = 581.9 hp / 9 sec = 129 hp/sec with both running thats EXACTLY what i have fitted save for the eccm. i have a tracking ruptor, and i made it up all by myself o_O its purty ---------
KD.Fluffy The Refugees	Posted - 2007.06.22 05:13:00 - [53] Quote: If you don't have drone skills at least medium to good, i would advise against getting in one Myrmidon. The ship may be versatile on the fittings (it is and there are many set ups that work) but the main damage output is always the drones. If you have mediocre skills in that tree you won't manage to get good damage or efficiency. Agreed, thats why I am training the skills before I board it. Im not that far off. Well I have drone interfacing four and can use heavy drones. Can't use t2 though. WIth that said, the myrmidon with my crap drone skills outdamages the ferox i used to fly with t2 rails without breaking a sweat. It also does this with a dual rep tank, and dual injected tank! Kinda funny I'm better off with mediocre skills in the myrmidon then the ship i spent months training for Oh well, this is why I have decided to switch races.
Lusian	Posted - 2007.06.22 06:13:00 - [54] I will tell you from experience and from what i lost. If you want to pvp then y ou will need the following. Use the advantage of the weakest resistance which will mean useing medium drones. Think tactically and not like sardine or continue to learn the hard way. Here is as follows. Em damage drones for your shield *****ers and Explosive medium drones for yoru armor. Second you need a little conficdence, i know some alliance m8t's that have they're heart stomping when a hostile comes attacking them. Highs, either 3 tech II ions or 250's and 2 energy neutralizers, and nos. Medium MWD or AF with 2 webs and scrambler and battery. Ul need the extra cargo space for amo if your gonna use it. Lows 1 med rp tech II 4 nano adaptive membranes Tech II if possible. and one passive explosive. rigs use 2 nano accelerators and 1 nano accelerator Variation 2 high 1 deminishing and 2 nos medium ab or mwd with 2 webbers and 1 s crambler and 1 large peroxide lows same as befor but with a diagnostic system becuase you will be useing a 1600 plate. with the 3 nano adapters. rigs 1 exploseive armor hardener and 1 nano accelerator and 1 armor repair thingy. If i am correct. and the same type of drones. Remember this, not every situation is the same and you wont always walk away with our ship, experience and luck dictate that.
Dark Voynix	Posted - 2007.06.22 06:56:00 - [55] ok .. i'm still quite noob so maybe my ideas are not perfect but some of the suggested fittings are quite bad imho: 1) rails vs blaster: If u are soloing the baster + mwd are quite better as the rails + AB conterpart .. u still need to be close to web and to nos your opponent so i see no point to use long range weapons and be slow. maybe in gang if u have tacklers with u ( just meybe) but still i see not the point... myrm is probably the worst sniper bc in game .. should not be used at long distance. If u wanna use rails there are better ships ... 2) BUT, why usind hybrids at all? u have no dammage bomus on rails ... so use projectiles ( realy ... it's not long to train small & medium projectiles skill). they are easier to fitt, dont use cap and u can change dammage type ... i would chose autocannon any day, but maybe it's just me .... ( ok, if u have blaster spec 5, u will swick to autocannons only once u are well trained to projectiles, but this is true only for very well trained people. noobs will cover the gap in few hours of training ....) 3) why the hell people post dothing like this?: 2x mar, 3x hardener, 1x rolled thunghsten. USE A DAMMAGE CONTROLL !!!!!!!! It will give u +60% resistance in hull!!! ( and +15% in armour NON STACKED!!! ) your hit points is equal and maybe better as with the plate but with very, very, very lesser fitting requirements!! If u realy want a plate , use it. It's a good module but use 1 plate AND 1 dc, not istead. 4) 6x nos or not 6x nos ? ist proved that is effective, but many people dont like them , so they fit at least parts of hy slots imho the perfect setup is sotheng like: LOW: 2x mar, 2x EAM2, 1x DC, 1x plate ( if fit) MED: 1x mwd, 1x web, 1x scrambler, 1x Cap booster( with 800), 1x at your choise ( tracking distruptors, sensor boosters, ecp boosters, another web or scramblers are good choises imho) hi: mixed nos and autocannons ( as your choise.. dephending on what u think about nosses ) Again, im still noob and my skill are still not enough to fitt all this, but this setup is where i'm training for.
LMAAAOOOO	Posted - 2007.06.22 07:35:00 - [56] Gang myrm : 6 heavy neutron II 2 LSE II 1 invul II 10mn mwd, warp disruptor II 1 co-processor, 3 MFS II, 2 PDS II 3 extender rigs 950 dps with 20k shields For gangs though, wouldn't use this for solo ______________________________________________ some guy telling a noob that pirates doesnt check their age before attacking "ooh! an age quip! very clever,I'm probably older than you darling! xx
KD.Fluffy The Refugees	Posted - 2007.06.22 17:24:00 - [57] wow, I really like that last setup, thanks!
LMAAAOOOO	Posted - 2007.06.23 10:37:00 - [58] Np, feel free to post your experiences in it here :) ______________________________________________ some guy telling a noob that pirates doesnt check their age before attacking "ooh! an age quip! very clever,I'm probably older than you darling! xx
Kua Immortal RSP Enterprises	Posted - 2007.06.23 11:08:00 - [59] Edited by: Kua Immortal on 23/06/2007 11:06:54 Originally by: Tadis Just set-up me first 3 x Heavy Electron II 3 x medium nos (named) 1 x 10mn Mwd (named) 1 x 20k 1 x web 1 x cap injector 1 x tracking disruptor 2 x med rep II 3 x N-type hardeners 1 x adaptive nano II 5 x heavy II's I really like this but...I'd go for DC II over adaptive nano II. And I'd splash out on T2 hardeners and one SS hardener (to make it all fit). And now I just need AWU 4 :P.
E Vile	Posted - 2007.06.23 12:00:00 - [60] Originally by: Rihannah Edited by: Rihannah on 28/12/2006 17:14:14 My advice to everyone using heavy drones. Use the drones liek this 3 heavy drones (75m3) 5 medium drones (50m3) = (125m3) Which means you have 3 spare medium drones for when your drones start getting bbq'd. also you can just send out your 5 medium drones against smaller ships. or play about with it - but i personally would never carry just 5 drones if they were my only source of damage. Everytime one drone gets popped your dps will go down drastically. However there are clever ways to recall your drones etc but they dont always work. Well for pvp I use 5 heavy ogres. For missions when I am fighting many small npc I use 4 heavy/5 light. T2 light drones with Myr's bonus tear up smaller then BC size ships. The small ships I face PVP can usually outrun even light drones, and if smart stay out of web range, so I go for most dmg to the larger ships. "The key to immortality is to first live a life worth remembering." Shohadaku New York Metal
Kua Immortal RSP Enterprises	Posted - 2007.06.24 02:40:00 - [61] My CEO recommended 4 heavies and 5 smalls and I can't fault it. Lots of versatility whilst sacrificing only a small amount of DPS. Nice.
Emerald666 Amarr Initech Corporation Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels	Posted - 2007.06.24 03:15:00 - [62] Edited by: Emerald666 on 24/06/2007 03:16:13 MAX skills(again)[I know it's annoying] Snake Set+Velo Hardwires+5%HullHPHardwire... ("I can't use T2 Blasters") [Paliament] (Myrmidon) HIGH-SLOTS: ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I [120x Antimatter Charge M] x3 Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I x3 MED-SLOTS: ~~~~~~~~~~~~ 10MN Afterburner II Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I x2 Sensor Booster II LOW-SLOTS: ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Medium Armor Repairer II x2 Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Damage Control II RIG-SLOTS: ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Auxiliary Nano Pump I x2 Capacitor Control Circuit I DRONE BAY: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hammerhead II x5 Vespa II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 SHIP'S ATTRIBUTES: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powergrid: 1339.0 MW/1468.75 MW CPU: 457.25 tf/500.0 tf Capacitor (regen): 3515.625 Energy (478.13sec) Max Cap Regen: 18.01 per sec (approx.) Max Cap Needed: 51.068 per sec Velocity: 906.004m/sec Target Range: 121000.002m Scan Resolution: 440.0mm Armor HP: 6446.0 Armor EM: 66.0 % Armor Explosive: 65.57 % Armor Kinetic: 75.14 % Armor Thermal: 75.14 % Structure HP: 5639.813 Agility Modifier: 1.21x Warp Max Distance: 652.7AU ==> 240.9 DPS <== http://ineve.net/
Haargoth Agamar Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.06.24 04:39:00 - [63] Here is what I have been using on my Myrmidon. Highs: 4x Heavy Electron Blaster II 2x Medium Diminishing Nosferatu Meds: 1x 10mn Micro Warp Drive II 1x Medium Electrochemical Cap Booster 1x Warp Disrupter II 1x Langour Webifier 1x Sensor Booster II/Web/Tracking Disruptor Lows: 2x Medium Armour Repairer II 2x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1x Armour Explosive Hardener II 1x Damage Control II Rigs: 2x Rep Amount Rigs 1x Rep Duration Rig Originally by: Shin Ra Secondly, did you ever stop to consider that asking for relationship advice from the internet spaceship community may not be the best idea.
Doomed Predator Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.24 14:52:00 - [64] I use: 5xmed nos,1xsmall nos(med wount fit,with a rig t would but i'm to cheap...) mwd,t2 warp disruptor,webberx2,tracking disruptor 2xt2 medium armor, rep,exp,kin,therm hardener,dmg control 5xogre it has a decent tank and if any speed tankers get too close,wll then you can imagine the outcome
Angelus Riptalon	Posted - 2007.06.24 16:23:00 - [65] Edited by: Angelus Riptalon on 24/06/2007 16:25:30 Originally by: Doomed Predator I use: 5xmed nos,1xsmall nos(med wount fit,with a rig t would but i'm to cheap...) mwd,t2 warp disruptor,webberx2,tracking disruptor 2xt2 medium armor, rep,exp,kin,therm hardener,dmg control 5xogre it has a decent tank and if any speed tankers get too close,wll then you can imagine the outcome If you really want to use the double webs, I'd recommend that you drop the tracking disruptor for a medium injector. I find it very difficult to sustain the double rep tank without one, it's impossible if you're up against someone else with nos. Well here's my setup: High: 4x medium nos, 2x small neut Med: 10mn mwd, webifier, 20km scram, med injector, relevant ew low: 2x medium armour rep, dcu, explosive, thermal and kinetic active hardeners. Drones: 4x ogre, 5x warrior Of course try to use tech II if you can, there's enough powergrid and cpu with decent fittings skills to have an entirely tech II setup. For the ew slot i leave it open for what i plan to be doing. If I'm going solo, a sensor dampener is useful as if your opponent is targeting your drones, as you can scoop em all up and send em back out again and it'll take em ages to re-lock. if in a gang, tracking disruptor, gate camp sensor booster, etc.
Akwarr Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.07.02 17:45:00 - [66] Heres a good setup: Highs: 3x medium diminishing power drain I 3x 125mm II Mids: 1x 10mn MWD II 1x X5 stasis web 1x T2 warp disruptor 2x phased muon sensor damp Lows: 1600mm plate armor explosive hardener II EANM II x 2 Damage control II Medium armor Repairer II 5x Ogre II OR 4x Ogre II/5x warrior II Decent DPS but really the DPS doesn't matter because you'll suck their cap completely dry until they can no longer run a tank. Just stay away from drakes. Can easily low sec pirate with the huge armor hp buffer, and the ship goes around 1035m/s which is good enough until you get in range and web them. Ship can sustain ALL modules except MARII forever at 60% cap. Once you turn on the MARII you still get a good minute or so of boosting before you cap out. IMO this is one of the best solo setups you can get, although you may want to replace the sensor damps for your ewar of choice (sensor booster, another warp disruptor, ecm, whatever, my skills all happen to be maxed for sensor damps). You get a huge tank, and plenty of gank and, sad as it is, nos is the win-all. Plus, if you use the 4x ogre 5x warrior you can easily woop up on interceptors as well.
Zakgram Atomic Heroes The OSS	Posted - 2007.07.02 20:31:00 - [67] Originally by: Akwarr Heres a good setup: 3x medium diminishing power drain I 3x 125mm II Decent DPS but really the DPS doesn't matter because you'll suck their cap completely dry until they can no longer run a tank. Just stay away from drakes. Just out of interest who are you fighting with your highs? 3 medium dim will take a while to suck anything dry, especially if it also has NOS...
Kirtan Loor Divine Retribution	Posted - 2007.07.03 05:41:00 - [68] Instead of 4 med nos 2 small neut setups using 1 med named neut 3 med nos 2 small nos results in better capacitor efficiency on your side and capacitor pwnage on the enemy side High: 1 Med Unstable Power Fluctuator, 2 Med Nos II, 1 Med Nos I, 2 Small Nos II Med: 1 MWD, 1 Web, 1 20k Scram, 1 Med Cap Booster, 1 Sensor Booster(or another web or tracking distruptor) Low: 2 MAR 3 Hardener 1 DC 2 Aux Nano 1 Nanobot Accelerator You'll need to watch out for the speed tanking ships though. This ship is only good for trading body blows.
Vandamsel Gallente Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.03 05:52:00 - [69] Originally by: Haargoth Agamar Here is what I have been using on my Myrmidon. Highs: 4x Heavy Electron Blaster II 2x Medium Diminishing Nosferatu Meds: 1x 10mn Micro Warp Drive II 1x Medium Electrochemical Cap Booster 1x Warp Disrupter II 1x Langour Webifier 1x Sensor Booster II/Web/Tracking Disruptor Lows: 2x Medium Armour Repairer II 2x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1x Armour Explosive Hardener II 1x Damage Control II Rigs: 2x Rep Amount Rigs 1x Rep Duration Rig pretty much exactly what i use, very solid setup. I usually run with 5 ogre II's, sometimes good to have 4 heavies and 5 lights for frig killing
Buckeroo Bonzai	Posted - 2007.07.29 13:28:00 - [70] Suprised I haven't seen this set up yet. Hi slots - 6 Heavy Neutron Blasters Meds slots - 1 20k Warp scrambler, 1 web, 1 10mn AB II, 2 LSE II Low slots - 6 SPR II Rigs - 3 Field Purgers 5 Heavys Over 10k shield and a 85 sec recharge time. Another way to do it is to fit 6 Med NOS to break the others Tank and just use your drones.
Gorek Loc Fine Art Manufactury	Posted - 2007.09.15 11:17:00 - [71] Edited by: Gorek Loc on 15/09/2007 11:19:09 edited for layout I am about to try a differrent setup: High slots: Dual 150mm Railgun II with Javelin Dual 150mm Railgun II with Javelin Dual 150mm Railgun II with Javelin Dual 150mm Railgun II with Javelin Dual 150mm Railgun II with Javelin Dual 150mm Railgun II with Javelin Medium slots: Cap Recharger I Cap Recharger I Cap Recharger I Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I Low slots: Energized Basic Adaptive Nano Plating 1600mm Reinforced Crystalline Carbonide Plates I Radioisotope Explosive Hardener I Damage Control I Medium Armor Repairer I Medium Armor Repairer I With 2x Ogre & 3x Hammerheads, this baby gives me a DPS of 331. The cap is the weak point with only 39 seconds to spare (57 seconds without the MWD), I really rely on my support ships! The tank takes 159 DPS and a topspeed of 345m/s. The resists are around 50% Kin/exp, 65% for Therm/EM. I might try some of these changes: Switch MWD for an AB (gives longer cap). Take out one gun to put in a Medium NOS, but that would mean taking out the 1600mm and putting a 800mm instead. I am training for T2 drones currently, so that will improve the DPS quite a lot. --- Compare items ? Image 1 - Image 2 Thanks to Daetusk.

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