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Jam67
Amarr
Brothers Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.30 19:13:00 -
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Who really cares if someone sells for less isk than an item is worth. If they can do that then good for them. It is better for everybody. Why pay overinflated prices to some greedy (insert apropriate word here), when they can buy cheaper from people who want to sell cheaper. Long live free trade economy.
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Nocturnal Avenger
untaught
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2006.11.30 19:17:00 -
[32]
 Originally by: Allen Deckard
Something tells me walmart isn't selling for a loss. smaller profit yes,,,,loss? doubt it.
Something tells me you're correct.
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/10/Rank_1.html
Note places 17 through 21 :-)
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Billy Sastard
Amarr
Zephyr Enterprises Inc.
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2006.11.30 19:24:00 -
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Edited by: Billy Sastard on 30/11/2006 19:24:35
I just have to pop in here and say, that while I personally have not worked at wal*mart, that I know 2 people very well who work, or have worked there. They have many a story of the management cutting the price to the point where they are selling product at a loss in order to pull business away from the local competition. The reasoning behind this is that if they can get people in the store buying the one item at a loss, they will buy other items that the store is making a profit from.
Now this doesnt really apply to EVE, as there are no specific retail locations where one entity is selling everything in that location, but I could see someone selling a BS at a slight loss, but then turning around and selling the common fittings for that same ship at a decent markup.
BTW, Irashi: I love your sig 
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Jaxtony
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Posted - 2006.11.30 19:29:00 -
[34]
What does my weight have to do with ANYTHING in this game?!?!
Seriously, why even make a post about it. Sometimes people can't help it. It can be a thyroid problem or even emotional problems that cause people to eat too much.
Why discriminate against me because I'm "thick" or "overweight"? It's ridiculous!!!!!
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Alejandro Zapata
Minmatar
PAK
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Posted - 2006.11.30 19:30:00 -
[35]
I prefer a "thick" woman now and then...
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Sash Windu
Gallente
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.30 19:36:00 -
[36]
And do you know whats worse????????????
These stupid people don't use fully researched blueprints. OMG!!!!!! The waste, the waste. It criminal, you know!!!!!
Just because they get some little pleasure from building a ship, doesn't excuse them from doing it properly!!!!!!!!
So get those spreadsheets out and calculate the proper price of your goods. And soon you too can be an anal, ISK obsessed git.
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Fink Angel
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.30 19:39:00 -
[37]
I can do perfect refines, so it does me a major favour if I can buy a ship, blast it's ass into minerals, then sell the mins! Yaay thick people.
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Wrayth Osu
Caldari
Intergalactic House of Pi
Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.30 19:41:00 -
[38]
I think the OP is looking for one of these: Linkage
Fast Food joints make a living off selling one product for cost (burger) and selling the stuff people buy with it (drinks) WAY over cost. ( a large fountain drink costs about 10 cents to make )
but as someone pointed out.. that doesn't apply in Eve since people are buying everything "a la carte"
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.30 19:44:00 -
[39]
This thread has happened before, months ago. I swear it was exactly the same 
It even had the same comic
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing.
RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy |
Ranger 1
Amarr
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.30 19:56:00 -
[40]
None of the above arguments concerning melting "worthless rat loot" or "minerals I mined myself so they are free" make the least bit of sense. Even if it's just refined loot, why not just sell the minerals and make more money, instead of build that ship and make less.
With the advent of freighters, there is very little to justify the argument that converting minerals into a battleship is easier to move and sell (which used to have a slight bit of merit).
Very,very few people under price their goods for a well thought out reason. The vast majority simply don't have a clue. And you can come up with unique situations as much as you like, but we all know that what I just stated is true.
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Kryssa Fordring
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Posted - 2006.11.30 20:10:00 -
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OP, one could say the same for those of you who drastically overprice items.
If you're talking ships, the problem is insurance only covers mineral costs. A manufacturer wants to make a profit so they list it for slightly more than cost (let's say 10 mil). Unfortunately the buyer also has to come up with the cost of the insurance. If the ship gets blown, they're out your 10 mil profit plus the cost of the insurance.
Insurance in Eve needs to be revamped. Typically you insure something based on it's market value not what it costs to make it. Who wants to buy insurance for a product when they end up losing money if they collect the insurance?
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Onubis
Quantum Labs
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Posted - 2006.11.30 20:15:00 -
[42]
Maybe the seller has had the ships for awhile and just wants to recoup some isk back?
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Razean
Minmatar
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.30 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Very,very few people under price their goods for a well thought out reason. The vast majority simply don't have a clue. And you can come up with unique situations as much as you like, but we all know that what I just stated is true.
First and foremost, it's a game. People don't need well thought out reasons to do anything. In most cases, it's a matter of how much money you make, and whether you want to go through the effort of figuring out which method maximizes the money you make. Simple fact is, many people don't take the game seriously enough to get that anal about it, and it's got nothing to do with stupidity (though I do personally believe there are plenty of stupid people out there).
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Razean
Minmatar
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.30 20:36:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Kryssa Fordring
OP, one could say the same for those of you who drastically overprice items.
If you're talking ships, the problem is insurance only covers mineral costs. A manufacturer wants to make a profit so they list it for slightly more than cost (let's say 10 mil). Unfortunately the buyer also has to come up with the cost of the insurance. If the ship gets blown, they're out your 10 mil profit plus the cost of the insurance.
Insurance in Eve needs to be revamped. Typically you insure something based on it's market value not what it costs to make it. Who wants to buy insurance for a product when they end up losing money if they collect the insurance?
It really isn't all that different from real world insurance. When you insure a car, or a home, the insurance cost and payouts are based on the appraised value of that item, and has nothing to do with how much you actually paid for the item itself. I'm only referring to T1 insurance policies though. T2 insurance truly is fubar and should be revamped.
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter.
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Posted - 2006.11.30 20:44:00 -
[45]
Everything is worth whats its purchaser is willing to pay for it.
I dont see the problem.
Originally by: Tuxford
Yes we don't play on our main accounts simply because you would lose all respect for us 
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Dranesh
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Posted - 2006.11.30 20:52:00 -
[46]
/whine on
Ok let me clear a couple of things up.
I am not talking about ships in particular, mainly modules. I am not some anal type that works it out in every detail. I do however have a spreadsheet just so I can monitor what I have spent on minerals and what a module cost me to make. Because sometimes its days or weeks that i bought the minerals or whatever. This is not so I can put a huge mark up and have over inflated prices. I generally try to double my money. Ships are not like this but most modules I try as much as possble to stick to that rule, I do not spend my entire time in game making mods etc just from any mins get from rat loot and any extra needed is bought and hauled to the factory. So I try to reward that time spent doing so.
For the poster that tried to imply I was some money grabbing mogul. Nothing could be further from the truth. I pvp and do some missions This is the main part of the game for me. I like to do the manufacturing side as a side line and find it relaxing to work things out. Does this make me evil? No it means I like to try more than one aspect of the GAME.
What I am objecting to is people that mass produce items and ships at less then the mineral cost therfor cutting any profit out of the game. Its not really very intelligent to think just because you mined the mins yourself you can make things that sell for less than the mineral value. On a larger scale I think it dumbs down the manufacturing and trading side of the game, and long term cannot be good for it.
/whine off
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Dumus
Silver Service
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Posted - 2006.11.30 20:58:00 -
[47]
Meh stupid forums That was me new "testing Kali char creation alt"
-Dumus-
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Snarls McGee
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Posted - 2006.11.30 21:18:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Dranesh
What I am objecting to is people that mass produce items and ships at less then the mineral cost therfor cutting any profit out of the game. Its not really very intelligent to think just because you mined the mins yourself you can make things that sell for less than the mineral value. On a larger scale I think it dumbs down the manufacturing and trading side of the game, and long term cannot be good for it.
Captain Obvious here:
THen just buy ALL their undervalued ships, refine them and sell the minerals back and MAKE MONEY OFF THEM.
Seriously, this is a generic crafter whine that could be put into ANY MMORPG message forum with very little tweaking (replace Ships with Armor Leggings, etc).
If I can't sell mission loot at a decent price (or the only close buy orders are for 0.01 ISK) then I smelt it. They ARE free minerals in the sense that I have no other use for them. Besides, selling *1* ship priced right is alot faster and WAY easier than micromanaging trying to sell 1,350,453 Tritanium + 324 Nocxium + 384,509 Pyerite + etc etc for a decent price (running into the same ludicrous buy offers and/or trying to make sure no one is undercutting you by 0.01 ISK on the market).
As someone else said, I play the game for FUN, not to be stuck in some micromanagement hell..
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Del369
Caldari
Office linebackers
Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.11.30 21:47:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Del369 on 30/11/2006 21:50:41
Talking about captain obvious, no ones even touched on it yet, the op said he didn't have brilliant manufacturing skillz.
clue1: your competition has his manufacturing and refining skillz maxed out.
clue2: he can build them for a lot less and sell them for a lot less than you can make them because of clue 1
Edit* So uhm, talking about thick people and all that, something along the lines of "people in glass houses shouldn't be throwing rocks" kinda comes to mind here....
Edit* So uhm, talking about thick people and all that, something along the lines of "people in glass houses shouldn't be throwing rocks" kinda comes to mind here....
I want to die quietly in my sleep just like my dear old grandma, and not screaming in terror like her passengers!! |
Dumus
Silver Service
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Posted - 2006.11.30 22:08:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Del369
a whole bunch of gibberish
Oh I so hate trolls. STFU you idiot.
I DID NOT SAY I HAVE CRAP SKILLS
Get back under your bridge. TROLL
-Dumus-
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BlackMoon Thrawn
the Organ Grinder and Company
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Posted - 2006.11.30 22:53:00 -
[51]
Because you pay just like everyone else.
selling something at a lower price because you need to get rid of it(loot from missions)= lazy at the most not thick.
Seeing people out to get you in every undercut order = Paranoid
Not being able to see that you are being paranoid because people are being lazy = thick
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Del369
Caldari
Office linebackers
Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.11.30 22:55:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Dumus
Originally by: Del369
a whole bunch of gibberish
Oh I so hate trolls. STFU you idiot.
I DID NOT SAY I HAVE CRAP SKILLS
Get back under your bridge. TROLL
Put your handbag away and read what i actually wrote. 
I want to die quietly in my sleep just like my dear old grandma, and not screaming in terror like her passengers!! |
DuckM4n Vo
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Posted - 2006.11.30 23:07:00 -
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Why are you allowed to play you communist, its all a free market, its called capitalism! Take some microecon class or read a book about microecon before YOU force your beliefs upon people!
Please! Read an microeconomics book before you try and comment about economics!
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Feng Schui
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2006.11.30 23:20:00 -
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as a "mission runner", semi-producer (ammo only atm), here are my "rules"
Rule #1 (Loot):
If the item is selling for less than 30k isk: Melt it into minerals
Reason:
Not worth the slots needed to sell the item.
Rule #2 (Loot):
If the item is selling for 30k or more: Sell it at lower cost than people selling the same item for 5 jumps or closer.
Reason:
To sell it quickly.
Rule #3 (Ammo production):
Sell for at, or 1-2isk above cost to make it, including minerals.
Reason:
Friendly neighborhood service.
Any questions? =p
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Elvarien
Caldari
The Night's Watch
THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2006.11.30 23:22:00 -
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people on the low end of the production market hate them people on the higher end of production/trade love them as they simply buy out the entire stock and resell at normal price making extra free profit its like free cookies. its a good thing
if dumb people let themselves be used and taken advantage off why in gods name WHY whine about it ?
ZOMG he is dumb and lets himself be used ... oh my god I`l complain about it...... yah kthnksby
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Feng Schui
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2006.11.30 23:30:00 -
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Edited by: Feng Schui on 30/11/2006 23:30:47
Time is money for some people.
In my case, ammo for example:
I really don't care if someone bought out my entire stock (its never happened on that scale before). I made the isk back / small profit, and sold it immediately.
I could have sold it at "normal" prices, but it would take me 10-20 times as long to sell it, in which case, I cannot use that valuable market slot for something else.
/me shrugs.
I just got a BPO for a module. The non-researched at all cost to build this module is 28k isk for me. Straight off the bat, I made 10 of them, and sold for 30k isk each.
2k profit on them, eh, oh well. Now its in research for a little while. Checked the market on this module, and they are averaging at 100k each.
Once this bpo gets out of research, expected cost to make should be around 15-20k each. I'll sell for 50k each, and make a whole crap load.
Will I make as much as selling for 100k? Nope... but I'll sell much, much quicker.
As I said before, Time is Money.
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Dumus
Silver Service
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Posted - 2006.11.30 23:48:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Del369
Originally by: Dumus
Originally by: Del369
a whole bunch of gibberish
Oh I so hate trolls. STFU you idiot.
I DID NOT SAY I HAVE CRAP SKILLS
Get back under your bridge. TROLL
Put your handbag away and read what i actually wrote.
Meh just lik you did you mean?
pffft muppet!
-Dumus-
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Oedus Caro
Caldari
Caldari Deep Space Ventures
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Posted - 2006.12.01 00:20:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Dumus
Edited by: Dumus on 30/11/2006 17:03:55
Is it just me or are too many thick people playing EVE?
There are too many thick people playing Real Life.
QFT
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Alowishus
Shadow Company
Alektorophobia
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Posted - 2006.12.01 00:21:00 -
[59]
If CCP didn't allow stupid people to play the game there'd only be about 4500 people logged in at peak time on Sunday.
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Necrosmith
Gallente
Wife lets me play corp
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Posted - 2006.12.01 00:23:00 -
[60]
Originally by: SamuelAdams
My name is Necrosmith and I approve of this message.
Best Regards,
--Necro
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