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Dumus Silver Service	Posted - 2006.11.30 17:01:00 - [1] Edited by: Dumus on 30/11/2006 17:15:35 Potential customer: Can I play EVE please? CCP interviewer: Of course, first answer this question. If you have some minerals that are worth 50 pence and if you were to use these minerals to make a shiney new ship instead of just selling them would you sell this ship for 40 pence? Potetial customer: er... Yes cos I would love making a shiney new ship, thats sounds cool! CCP interviewer: I'm sorry your too thick to play EVE /click Is it just me or are too many thick people playing EVE? If you have mined/refined from loot the minerals to make an item and then you sell that item for less than the current market value of the minerals themselves, YOU ARE MAKING LESS MONEY!!! You may as well not bother making any items as you could simply sell you minerals for MORE. Please think before you try and undercut!!! Gordon Bennett!!! -Dumus-
Sensor Error 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.30 17:04:00 - [2] 2003 called, it wants it's rant back. I know what you mean though, mildly annoying... RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!! ------------------------------------------ Dev Responses to common questions
Sekhen Caldari Majestic-5	Posted - 2006.11.30 17:05:00 - [3] Originally by: Dumus Please think before you try and undercut! Its a free market, they can do whatever they want with their ISK / Minerals. ------------------------------------------------ If there is doubt, there is no doubt. Stating personal opinions as facts is retarded. But thats just my opinion.
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.30 17:05:00 - [4] Originally by: Dumus Edited by: Dumus on 30/11/2006 17:03:55 Is it just me or are too many thick people playing EVE? There are too many thick people playing Real Life. ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
Cyrus Graham Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.30 17:05:00 - [5] Selling at a loss is one way to wage an economic war if you have deeper pockets than your competition. Not saying that's what's going on there, but it's not like there's no precedent for that sort of activity. One word: Walmart. ___________________________________ Go play checkers if you want a game where everything's fair and equal.
Isyel Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.11.30 17:06:00 - [6] But... that way they sell MORE! YAY! Reminds me of an episode of the Order of the Stick but i can't be arsed to find it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Might As well Train Another Race
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2006.11.30 17:09:00 - [7] Well if you get loot and refine... to me thats free, and to build from that is pretty much all profit. And why should I sell minerals to producers that sit in stations and build all day, when I can make things myself, sell them cheap, and really **** them off. Heck... why don't you snatch up all the cheap items, and refine them for minerals and sell them off? Who cares what oterhs do... you just upset some people are holding WalMart discount specials.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.30 17:12:00 - [8] Originally by: Dumus Is it just me or are too many thick people playing EVE? If you have mined/refined from loot the minerals to make an item and then you sell that item for less than the current market value of the minerals themselves, YOU ARE MAKING LESS MONEY!!! You may as well not bother making any items as you could simply sell you minerals for MORE. Please think before you try and undercut!!! Gordon Bennett!!! Maybe they're just looking to be a producer and dont care too much if they get 2 isk or 1.75 isk for their pieces of trit? ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
SamuelAdams Gallente Templars of Space CORE.	Posted - 2006.11.30 17:12:00 - [9]
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2006.11.30 17:12:00 - [10] Selling low also lets you see what the enemy purchase and quite possibly fit, intel baby!
D2O HeavyWater Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.11.30 17:16:00 - [11] LMAO still ****ing myself at the topic header. I often say that while flying around 0.0 n low sec. You find a mong mining or ratting in a belt, you pod em & then get told they are gonna petition me for griefing.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.30 17:20:00 - [12] What, charity isn't allowed in EVE now? I say god bless all those people willing to sell me things at a loss -----------------------------------------------
Dumus Silver Service	Posted - 2006.11.30 17:21:00 - [13] Nope sorry guys they are just being dumb, simple as that. They cant be arsed to check how much something costs to produce. They just look at the cheapest price and say ****it I will just cut under by a million! I ain't no big producer I have about 10 BPO's (tech 1 ammo and the like) of some cheapish items and cannot make anything from it. I aint got the best manufacturing skills out there but they are ok. So I am thinking meh screw it I will just kill npcs for isk, That would be so much more fun (not) /whine off -Dumus-
Pick Me	Posted - 2006.11.30 17:23:00 - [14] So now you understand why the tech 2 economy with the lottery was created! Now you know what created 90% of the forum whine in the last 2 years. And there is nothing to do about it because thoses that dump their stuff on the market cannot be stopped unless it take one day to build a single product and limit the bpo availability. Hint: Just sell your mineral on the market (if you can) or get a tech 2 bpo yourself to use thoses minerals... You might try to invest in a capital ship parts bpo and build a lot of thoses (to invest your minerals) but since alliances are so self-centric, they won't buy from the capital parts from the market unless there is a war that make them require a lot of them.
babyblue	Posted - 2006.11.30 17:34:00 - [15] Making battleships (for example), is a good way of packaging minerals for transport and quick sale, especially if the local market (particularly in low sec) has a very low sales volume. If you don't want to make 8 trips in your constipation runner or risk losing your frieghter to l33tbarbie4u at a gate camp with your minerals, you could do a lot worse. Typically in a hub system your BS will sell within 48 hours at this low price. You might wait a week or more for it to sell in low sec. If you want to sell the unpackaged minerals in low sec, you might be waiting even longer than that.
Slevin Kalebra	Posted - 2006.11.30 17:37:00 - [16] This might help to explain it
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.30 17:40:00 - [17] Originally by: Dumus Nope sorry guys they are just being dumb, simple as that. They cant be arsed to check how much something costs to produce. They just look at the cheapest price and say ****it I will just cut under by a million! I ain't no big producer I have about 10 BPO's (tech 1 ammo and the like) of some cheapish items and cannot make anything from it. I aint got the best manufacturing skills out there but they are ok. So I am thinking meh screw it I will just kill npcs for isk, That would be so much more fun (not) /whine off Anyhow, you get undercut alot less if you arn't trying to sell in Jita or one of the other hubs. For months our corp moved our production into Genesis (hill-billy region if ever there was) and made an absolute killing on the market. True things don't instantly sell like in Jita (some things you have to leave up for weeks or more before you get a bite) but it all sold in the end, and at a much higher price. Say no to spamming the hubs................. -----------------------------------------------
Bonny Lee Caldari God's Army Corp OPUS Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.30 18:01:00 - [18] If someone would sell his BS lower then everybody else i would love him. I would buy his stuff and sell it for more ISK. Perhaps i would hug him if he would do it again. Perhaps... time is money.
Pellaeon DuGalle Caldari Deep Black Industries	Posted - 2006.11.30 18:10:00 - [19] Edited by: Pellaeon DuGalle on 30/11/2006 18:12:57 edit: nevermind. I thought up a counter-argument to my own argument. ------------------- "There is one rule for the industrialist and that is: Make the best quality of goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages possible."
Croesus Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.30 18:11:00 - [20] not everybody are in the biz to make money. some people just want to go to the next big thing fast by selling its current ship for a low price so they can try the new one. so just youll just have to face it that many of the ppl undercutting you arent thickos.
Irashi Caldari Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.30 18:16:00 - [21] Why can't anyone sell rokhs for less than their mineral wealth ________________________________________
Allen Deckard Gallente LFC Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.30 18:29:00 - [22] Originally by: Cyrus Graham Selling at a loss is one way to wage an economic war if you have deeper pockets than your competition. Not saying that's what's going on there, but it's not like there's no precedent for that sort of activity. One word: Walmart. Something tells me walmart isn't selling for a loss. smaller profit yes,,,,loss? doubt it.
Sekhen Caldari Majestic-5	Posted - 2006.11.30 18:33:00 - [23] Originally by: Allen Deckard Originally by: Cyrus Graham Selling at a loss is one way to wage an economic war if you have deeper pockets than your competition. Not saying that's what's going on there, but it's not like there's no precedent for that sort of activity. One word: Walmart. Something tells me walmart isn't selling for a loss. smaller profit yes,,,,loss? doubt it. There ARE buisinesses that sell stuff at a loss, to make people buy other stuff with large margin. So using WalMart as an RL example is not valid. And whatever reason this person has to undercut the going price on whatever, does it really matter? He gives his money to someone else. Its all good in my book. And then some people whine about it, thats just odd. ------------------------------------------------ If there is doubt, there is no doubt. Stating personal opinions as facts is retarded. But thats just my opinion.
Yblarbo Janks Caldari Veto.	Posted - 2006.11.30 18:34:00 - [24] Janks can't stand the fatty fatty boombalatties either.
SkeletonDenial Caldari ExCav Conglomerate The Guardian Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.30 18:34:00 - [25] Originally by: Dumus Edited by: Dumus on 30/11/2006 17:15:35 ... Please think before you try and undercut!!! Gordon Bennett!!! Businesses with deep pockets do that all the time ... Give away your product till your competition dries up.
Popsikle Caffeine Commodities Company Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.30 18:36:00 - [26] Just because someones fat, doesn't mean they cant play Eve.. Fat people have computers too! __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-
Matori Kar	Posted - 2006.11.30 18:36:00 - [27] Buy - reprocess - sell minerals. or Buy - insure - blow up - collect profitable insurance or Buy - resell or Buy - move - sell for more Caldari: Don't have to worry about transversal, falloff/optimal, cap, tracking, how your damage type is being tanked,ship speed, the direction you are moving... etc. Easy Mode w00t!!
Fuujin Hadean Drive Yards	Posted - 2006.11.30 18:37:00 - [28] Hadean Drive Yards Tier 2 BC Pricing
Mnengli Noiliffe	Posted - 2006.11.30 18:54:00 - [29] compare the time you would sell the same amount of minerals that you need to build a BS, and the time you need to sell the BS itself. Time is money, yes, and the less time you sell the more money you get per the same amount of time. Oh and there is such thing as buy orders, it allows you to buy minerals for alot less than current sell order price average. That being said, I somehow doubt that the sellers that you're getting annoyed with only sell at expense.
Irashi Caldari Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.30 18:54:00 - [30] Originally by: Matori Kar Buy - insure - blow up - collect profitable insurance Buy - realise insuring a BS costs ~30m - realise plan is ruined - you have no refine skills so you can't execute the other plan - you can't use it because you don't have skills for this particular BS - try to resell ________________________________________
Jam67 Amarr Brothers Inc	Posted - 2006.11.30 19:13:00 - [31] Who really cares if someone sells for less isk than an item is worth. If they can do that then good for them. It is better for everybody. Why pay overinflated prices to some greedy (insert apropriate word here), when they can buy cheaper from people who want to sell cheaper. Long live free trade economy.
Nocturnal Avenger untaught Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.11.30 19:17:00 - [32] Originally by: Allen Deckard Something tells me walmart isn't selling for a loss. smaller profit yes,,,,loss? doubt it. Something tells me you're correct. http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/10/Rank_1.html Note places 17 through 21 :-)
Billy Sastard Amarr Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2006.11.30 19:24:00 - [33] Edited by: Billy Sastard on 30/11/2006 19:24:35 I just have to pop in here and say, that while I personally have not worked at wal*mart, that I know 2 people very well who work, or have worked there. They have many a story of the management cutting the price to the point where they are selling product at a loss in order to pull business away from the local competition. The reasoning behind this is that if they can get people in the store buying the one item at a loss, they will buy other items that the store is making a profit from. Now this doesnt really apply to EVE, as there are no specific retail locations where one entity is selling everything in that location, but I could see someone selling a BS at a slight loss, but then turning around and selling the common fittings for that same ship at a decent markup. BTW, Irashi: I love your sig -=^=-
Jaxtony	Posted - 2006.11.30 19:29:00 - [34] What does my weight have to do with ANYTHING in this game?!?! Seriously, why even make a post about it. Sometimes people can't help it. It can be a thyroid problem or even emotional problems that cause people to eat too much. Why discriminate against me because I'm "thick" or "overweight"? It's ridiculous!!!!! It's great to be human, ain't it?
Alejandro Zapata Minmatar PAK	Posted - 2006.11.30 19:30:00 - [35] I prefer a "thick" woman now and then...
Sash Windu Gallente The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2006.11.30 19:36:00 - [36] And do you know whats worse???????????? These stupid people don't use fully researched blueprints. OMG!!!!!! The waste, the waste. It criminal, you know!!!!! Just because they get some little pleasure from building a ship, doesn't excuse them from doing it properly!!!!!!!! So get those spreadsheets out and calculate the proper price of your goods. And soon you too can be an anal, ISK obsessed git.
Fink Angel Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.30 19:39:00 - [37] I can do perfect refines, so it does me a major favour if I can buy a ship, blast it's ass into minerals, then sell the mins! Yaay thick people.
Wrayth Osu Caldari Intergalactic House of Pi Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.30 19:41:00 - [38] I think the OP is looking for one of these: Linkage Fast Food joints make a living off selling one product for cost (burger) and selling the stuff people buy with it (drinks) WAY over cost. ( a large fountain drink costs about 10 cents to make ) but as someone pointed out.. that doesn't apply in Eve since people are buying everything "a la carte" ____________________________________________________________________ Wrayth - "These are not the carebears you are looking for." Pirate - "These are not the carebears we are looking for." I
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.30 19:44:00 - [39] This thread has happened before, months ago. I swear it was exactly the same It even had the same comic Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.11.30 19:56:00 - [40] None of the above arguments concerning melting "worthless rat loot" or "minerals I mined myself so they are free" make the least bit of sense. Even if it's just refined loot, why not just sell the minerals and make more money, instead of build that ship and make less. With the advent of freighters, there is very little to justify the argument that converting minerals into a battleship is easier to move and sell (which used to have a slight bit of merit). Very,very few people under price their goods for a well thought out reason. The vast majority simply don't have a clue. And you can come up with unique situations as much as you like, but we all know that what I just stated is true.
Kryssa Fordring	Posted - 2006.11.30 20:10:00 - [41] OP, one could say the same for those of you who drastically overprice items. If you're talking ships, the problem is insurance only covers mineral costs. A manufacturer wants to make a profit so they list it for slightly more than cost (let's say 10 mil). Unfortunately the buyer also has to come up with the cost of the insurance. If the ship gets blown, they're out your 10 mil profit plus the cost of the insurance. Insurance in Eve needs to be revamped. Typically you insure something based on it's market value not what it costs to make it. Who wants to buy insurance for a product when they end up losing money if they collect the insurance?
Onubis Quantum Labs	Posted - 2006.11.30 20:15:00 - [42] Maybe the seller has had the ships for awhile and just wants to recoup some isk back? _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Training Sig Cloaking to LVL 6! haha Scanned and jacked! ~kieron Trained Sigtrometrics to Level 5 complete - Cortes
Razean Minmatar Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.30 20:33:00 - [43] Originally by: Ranger 1 Very,very few people under price their goods for a well thought out reason. The vast majority simply don't have a clue. And you can come up with unique situations as much as you like, but we all know that what I just stated is true. First and foremost, it's a game. People don't need well thought out reasons to do anything. In most cases, it's a matter of how much money you make, and whether you want to go through the effort of figuring out which method maximizes the money you make. Simple fact is, many people don't take the game seriously enough to get that anal about it, and it's got nothing to do with stupidity (though I do personally believe there are plenty of stupid people out there).
Razean Minmatar Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.30 20:36:00 - [44] Originally by: Kryssa Fordring OP, one could say the same for those of you who drastically overprice items. If you're talking ships, the problem is insurance only covers mineral costs. A manufacturer wants to make a profit so they list it for slightly more than cost (let's say 10 mil). Unfortunately the buyer also has to come up with the cost of the insurance. If the ship gets blown, they're out your 10 mil profit plus the cost of the insurance. Insurance in Eve needs to be revamped. Typically you insure something based on it's market value not what it costs to make it. Who wants to buy insurance for a product when they end up losing money if they collect the insurance? It really isn't all that different from real world insurance. When you insure a car, or a home, the insurance cost and payouts are based on the appraised value of that item, and has nothing to do with how much you actually paid for the item itself. I'm only referring to T1 insurance policies though. T2 insurance truly is fubar and should be revamped.
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.11.30 20:44:00 - [45] Everything is worth whats its purchaser is willing to pay for it. I dont see the problem. Originally by: Tuxford Yes we don't play on our main accounts simply because you would lose all respect for us
Dranesh	Posted - 2006.11.30 20:52:00 - [46] /whine on Ok let me clear a couple of things up. I am not talking about ships in particular, mainly modules. I am not some anal type that works it out in every detail. I do however have a spreadsheet just so I can monitor what I have spent on minerals and what a module cost me to make. Because sometimes its days or weeks that i bought the minerals or whatever. This is not so I can put a huge mark up and have over inflated prices. I generally try to double my money. Ships are not like this but most modules I try as much as possble to stick to that rule, I do not spend my entire time in game making mods etc just from any mins get from rat loot and any extra needed is bought and hauled to the factory. So I try to reward that time spent doing so. For the poster that tried to imply I was some money grabbing mogul. Nothing could be further from the truth. I pvp and do some missions This is the main part of the game for me. I like to do the manufacturing side as a side line and find it relaxing to work things out. Does this make me evil? No it means I like to try more than one aspect of the GAME. What I am objecting to is people that mass produce items and ships at less then the mineral cost therfor cutting any profit out of the game. Its not really very intelligent to think just because you mined the mins yourself you can make things that sell for less than the mineral value. On a larger scale I think it dumbs down the manufacturing and trading side of the game, and long term cannot be good for it. /whine off
Dumus Silver Service	Posted - 2006.11.30 20:58:00 - [47] Meh stupid forums That was me new "testing Kali char creation alt" -Dumus-
Snarls McGee	Posted - 2006.11.30 21:18:00 - [48] Originally by: Dranesh What I am objecting to is people that mass produce items and ships at less then the mineral cost therfor cutting any profit out of the game. Its not really very intelligent to think just because you mined the mins yourself you can make things that sell for less than the mineral value. On a larger scale I think it dumbs down the manufacturing and trading side of the game, and long term cannot be good for it. Captain Obvious here: THen just buy ALL their undervalued ships, refine them and sell the minerals back and MAKE MONEY OFF THEM. Seriously, this is a generic crafter whine that could be put into ANY MMORPG message forum with very little tweaking (replace Ships with Armor Leggings, etc). If I can't sell mission loot at a decent price (or the only close buy orders are for 0.01 ISK) then I smelt it. They ARE free minerals in the sense that I have no other use for them. Besides, selling 1 ship priced right is alot faster and WAY easier than micromanaging trying to sell 1,350,453 Tritanium + 324 Nocxium + 384,509 Pyerite + etc etc for a decent price (running into the same ludicrous buy offers and/or trying to make sure no one is undercutting you by 0.01 ISK on the market). As someone else said, I play the game for FUN, not to be stuck in some micromanagement hell..
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.11.30 21:47:00 - [49] Edited by: Del369 on 30/11/2006 21:50:41 Talking about captain obvious, no ones even touched on it yet, the op said he didn't have brilliant manufacturing skillz. clue1: your competition has his manufacturing and refining skillz maxed out. clue2: he can build them for a lot less and sell them for a lot less than you can make them because of clue 1 Edit* So uhm, talking about thick people and all that, something along the lines of "people in glass houses shouldn't be throwing rocks" kinda comes to mind here.... Edit* So uhm, talking about thick people and all that, something along the lines of "people in glass houses shouldn't be throwing rocks" kinda comes to mind here.... I want to die quietly in my sleep just like my dear old grandma, and not screaming in terror like her passengers!!
Dumus Silver Service	Posted - 2006.11.30 22:08:00 - [50] Originally by: Del369 a whole bunch of gibberish Oh I so hate trolls. STFU you idiot. I DID NOT SAY I HAVE CRAP SKILLS Get back under your bridge. TROLL -Dumus-
BlackMoon Thrawn the Organ Grinder and Company	Posted - 2006.11.30 22:53:00 - [51] Because you pay just like everyone else. selling something at a lower price because you need to get rid of it(loot from missions)= lazy at the most not thick. Seeing people out to get you in every undercut order = Paranoid Not being able to see that you are being paranoid because people are being lazy = thick
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.11.30 22:55:00 - [52] Originally by: Dumus Originally by: Del369 a whole bunch of gibberish Oh I so hate trolls. STFU you idiot. I DID NOT SAY I HAVE CRAP SKILLS Get back under your bridge. TROLL Put your handbag away and read what i actually wrote. I want to die quietly in my sleep just like my dear old grandma, and not screaming in terror like her passengers!!
DuckM4n Vo	Posted - 2006.11.30 23:07:00 - [53] Why are you allowed to play you communist, its all a free market, its called capitalism! Take some microecon class or read a book about microecon before YOU force your beliefs upon people! Please! Read an microeconomics book before you try and comment about economics!
Feng Schui Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.11.30 23:20:00 - [54] as a "mission runner", semi-producer (ammo only atm), here are my "rules" Rule #1 (Loot): If the item is selling for less than 30k isk: Melt it into minerals Reason: Not worth the slots needed to sell the item. Rule #2 (Loot): If the item is selling for 30k or more: Sell it at lower cost than people selling the same item for 5 jumps or closer. Reason: To sell it quickly. Rule #3 (Ammo production): Sell for at, or 1-2isk above cost to make it, including minerals. Reason: Friendly neighborhood service. Any questions? =p
Elvarien Caldari The Night's Watch THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2006.11.30 23:22:00 - [55] people on the low end of the production market hate them people on the higher end of production/trade love them as they simply buy out the entire stock and resell at normal price making extra free profit its like free cookies. its a good thing if dumb people let themselves be used and taken advantage off why in gods name WHY whine about it ? ZOMG he is dumb and lets himself be used ... oh my god I`l complain about it...... yah kthnksby >---- <3 the manticore
Feng Schui Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.11.30 23:30:00 - [56] Edited by: Feng Schui on 30/11/2006 23:30:47 Time is money for some people. In my case, ammo for example: I really don't care if someone bought out my entire stock (its never happened on that scale before). I made the isk back / small profit, and sold it immediately. I could have sold it at "normal" prices, but it would take me 10-20 times as long to sell it, in which case, I cannot use that valuable market slot for something else. /me shrugs. I just got a BPO for a module. The non-researched at all cost to build this module is 28k isk for me. Straight off the bat, I made 10 of them, and sold for 30k isk each. 2k profit on them, eh, oh well. Now its in research for a little while. Checked the market on this module, and they are averaging at 100k each. Once this bpo gets out of research, expected cost to make should be around 15-20k each. I'll sell for 50k each, and make a whole crap load. Will I make as much as selling for 100k? Nope... but I'll sell much, much quicker. As I said before, Time is Money.
Dumus Silver Service	Posted - 2006.11.30 23:48:00 - [57] Originally by: Del369 Originally by: Dumus Originally by: Del369 a whole bunch of gibberish Oh I so hate trolls. STFU you idiot. I DID NOT SAY I HAVE CRAP SKILLS Get back under your bridge. TROLL Put your handbag away and read what i actually wrote. Meh just lik you did you mean? pffft muppet! -Dumus-
Oedus Caro Caldari Caldari Deep Space Ventures	Posted - 2006.12.01 00:20:00 - [58] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Dumus Edited by: Dumus on 30/11/2006 17:03:55 Is it just me or are too many thick people playing EVE? There are too many thick people playing Real Life. QFT
Alowishus Shadow Company Alektorophobia	Posted - 2006.12.01 00:21:00 - [59] If CCP didn't allow stupid people to play the game there'd only be about 4500 people logged in at peak time on Sunday.
Necrosmith Gallente Wife lets me play corp	Posted - 2006.12.01 00:23:00 - [60] Originally by: SamuelAdams My name is Necrosmith and I approve of this message. Best Regards, --Necro ------------- "Isk is cheap. Life is cheaper. This week, they're having a sale on both."
Tharim Minmatar Code-Blue	Posted - 2006.12.01 00:33:00 - [61] This goes in the same category as the people blowing up their ship at the end of insurance period. www.eve-files.com/media/0602/CCP_tharim.gif[/IMG] Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes

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