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Dumus
Silver Service
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:01:00 -
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Edited by: Dumus on 30/11/2006 17:15:35
Potential customer: Can I play EVE please? CCP interviewer: Of course, first answer this question. If you have some minerals that are worth 50 pence and if you were to use these minerals to make a shiney new ship instead of just selling them would you sell this ship for 40 pence? Potetial customer: er... Yes cos I would love making a shiney new ship, thats sounds cool! CCP interviewer: I'm sorry your too thick to play EVE /click
Is it just me or are too many thick people playing EVE?
If you have mined/refined from loot the minerals to make an item and then you sell that item for less than the current market value of the minerals themselves, YOU ARE MAKING LESS MONEY!!! You may as well not bother making any items as you could simply sell you minerals for MORE.
Please think before you try and undercut!!! Gordon Bennett!!!
-Dumus-
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Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:04:00 -
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2003 called, it wants it's rant back.
I know what you mean though, mildly annoying...
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!
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Sekhen
Caldari Majestic-5
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dumus
Please think before you try and undercut!
Its a free market, they can do whatever they want with their ISK / Minerals. ------------------------------------------------ If there is doubt, there is no doubt.
Stating personal opinions as facts is retarded. But thats just my opinion. |

Crumplecorn
Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dumus Edited by: Dumus on 30/11/2006 17:03:55 Is it just me or are too many thick people playing EVE?
There are too many thick people playing Real Life. ----------
IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win |

Cyrus Graham
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:05:00 -
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Selling at a loss is one way to wage an economic war if you have deeper pockets than your competition. Not saying that's what's going on there, but it's not like there's no precedent for that sort of activity. One word: Walmart. ___________________________________
Go play checkers if you want a game where everything's fair and equal. |

Isyel
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:06:00 -
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But... that way they sell MORE! YAY! 
Reminds me of an episode of the Order of the Stick but i can't be arsed to find it.  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Might As well Train Another Race
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Lord Frost
Minmatar The Crystal Method
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:09:00 -
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Well if you get loot and refine... to me thats free, and to build from that is pretty much all profit. And why should I sell minerals to producers that sit in stations and build all day, when I can make things myself, sell them cheap, and really **** them off. 
Heck... why don't you snatch up all the cheap items, and refine them for minerals and sell them off? Who cares what oterhs do... you just upset some people are holding WalMart discount specials.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Dumus Is it just me or are too many thick people playing EVE?
If you have mined/refined from loot the minerals to make an item and then you sell that item for less than the current market value of the minerals themselves, YOU ARE MAKING LESS MONEY!!! You may as well not bother making any items as you could simply sell you minerals for MORE.
Please think before you try and undercut!!! Gordon Bennett!!!
Maybe they're just looking to be a producer and dont care too much if they get 2 isk or 1.75 isk for their pieces of trit? -----
[Coreli Corporation Mainframe] |

SamuelAdams
Gallente Templars of Space CORE.
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:12:00 -
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Wendat Huron
Lupus Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:12:00 -
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Selling low also lets you see what the enemy purchase and quite possibly fit, intel baby!
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D2O HeavyWater
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:16:00 -
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LMAO still ****ing myself at the topic header.
I often say that while flying around 0.0 n low sec. You find a mong mining or ratting in a belt, you pod em & then get told they are gonna petition me for griefing.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:20:00 -
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What, charity isn't allowed in EVE now?
I say god bless all those people willing to sell me things at a loss  -----------------------------------------------
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Dumus
Silver Service
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:21:00 -
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Nope sorry guys they are just being dumb, simple as that. They cant be arsed to check how much something costs to produce. They just look at the cheapest price and say ****it I will just cut under by a million!
I ain't no big producer I have about 10 BPO's (tech 1 ammo and the like) of some cheapish items and cannot make anything from it. I aint got the best manufacturing skills out there but they are ok. So I am thinking meh screw it I will just kill npcs for isk, That would be so much more fun (not)
/whine off
-Dumus-
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Pick Me
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:23:00 -
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So now you understand why the tech 2 economy with the lottery was created!
Now you know what created 90% of the forum whine in the last 2 years.
And there is nothing to do about it because thoses that dump their stuff on the market cannot be stopped unless it take one day to build a single product and limit the bpo availability.
Hint: Just sell your mineral on the market (if you can) or get a tech 2 bpo yourself to use thoses minerals... You might try to invest in a capital ship parts bpo and build a lot of thoses (to invest your minerals) but since alliances are so self-centric, they won't buy from the capital parts from the market unless there is a war that make them require a lot of them.
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babyblue
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:34:00 -
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Making battleships (for example), is a good way of packaging minerals for transport and quick sale, especially if the local market (particularly in low sec) has a very low sales volume. If you don't want to make 8 trips in your constipation runner or risk losing your frieghter to l33tbarbie4u at a gate camp with your minerals, you could do a lot worse.
Typically in a hub system your BS will sell within 48 hours at this low price. You might wait a week or more for it to sell in low sec. If you want to sell the unpackaged minerals in low sec, you might be waiting even longer than that.
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Slevin Kalebra
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:37:00 -
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This might help to explain it 
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dumus Nope sorry guys they are just being dumb, simple as that. They cant be arsed to check how much something costs to produce. They just look at the cheapest price and say ****it I will just cut under by a million!
I ain't no big producer I have about 10 BPO's (tech 1 ammo and the like) of some cheapish items and cannot make anything from it. I aint got the best manufacturing skills out there but they are ok. So I am thinking meh screw it I will just kill npcs for isk, That would be so much more fun (not)
/whine off
Anyhow, you get undercut alot less if you arn't trying to sell in Jita or one of the other hubs. For months our corp moved our production into Genesis (hill-billy region if ever there was) and made an absolute killing on the market. True things don't instantly sell like in Jita (some things you have to leave up for weeks or more before you get a bite) but it all sold in the end, and at a much higher price.
Say no to spamming the hubs................. -----------------------------------------------
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Bonny Lee
Caldari God's Army Corp OPUS Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.30 18:01:00 -
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If someone would sell his BS lower then everybody else i would love him. I would buy his stuff and sell it for more ISK. Perhaps i would hug him if he would do it again. Perhaps... time is money.
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Pellaeon DuGalle
Caldari Deep Black Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.30 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: Pellaeon DuGalle on 30/11/2006 18:12:57 edit: nevermind. I thought up a counter-argument to my own argument.
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Croesus
Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.30 18:11:00 -
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not everybody are in the biz to make money. some people just want to go to the next big thing fast by selling its current ship for a low price so they can try the new one.
so just youll just have to face it that many of the ppl undercutting you arent thickos.
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Irashi
Caldari Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.30 18:16:00 -
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Why can't anyone sell rokhs for less than their mineral wealth  ________________________________________
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Allen Deckard
Gallente LFC Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.30 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Cyrus Graham Selling at a loss is one way to wage an economic war if you have deeper pockets than your competition. Not saying that's what's going on there, but it's not like there's no precedent for that sort of activity. One word: Walmart.
Something tells me walmart isn't selling for a loss. smaller profit yes,,,,loss? doubt it.
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Sekhen
Caldari Majestic-5
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Posted - 2006.11.30 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Allen Deckard
Originally by: Cyrus Graham Selling at a loss is one way to wage an economic war if you have deeper pockets than your competition. Not saying that's what's going on there, but it's not like there's no precedent for that sort of activity. One word: Walmart.
Something tells me walmart isn't selling for a loss. smaller profit yes,,,,loss? doubt it.
There ARE buisinesses that sell stuff at a loss, to make people buy other stuff with large margin. So using WalMart as an RL example is not valid.
And whatever reason this person has to undercut the going price on whatever, does it really matter? He gives his money to someone else. Its all good in my book. And then some people whine about it, thats just odd. ------------------------------------------------ If there is doubt, there is no doubt.
Stating personal opinions as facts is retarded. But thats just my opinion. |

Yblarbo Janks
Caldari Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.30 18:34:00 -
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Janks can't stand the fatty fatty boombalatties either.
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SkeletonDenial
Caldari ExCav Conglomerate The Guardian Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.30 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Dumus Edited by: Dumus on 30/11/2006 17:15:35 ...
Please think before you try and undercut!!! Gordon Bennett!!!
Businesses with deep pockets do that all the time ...
Give away your product till your competition dries up.
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Popsikle
Caffeine Commodities Company Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.11.30 18:36:00 -
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Just because someones fat, doesn't mean they cant play Eve..
Fat people have computers too! __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =- |

Matori Kar
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Posted - 2006.11.30 18:36:00 -
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Buy - reprocess - sell minerals.
or
Buy - insure - blow up - collect profitable insurance
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Buy - resell
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Buy - move - sell for more
Caldari: Don't have to worry about transversal, falloff/optimal, cap, tracking, how your damage type is being tanked,ship speed, the direction you are moving... etc. Easy Mode w00t!! |

Fuujin
Hadean Drive Yards
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Posted - 2006.11.30 18:37:00 -
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Hadean Drive Yards Tier 2 BC Pricing |

Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2006.11.30 18:54:00 -
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compare the time you would sell the same amount of minerals that you need to build a BS, and the time you need to sell the BS itself. Time is money, yes, and the less time you sell the more money you get per the same amount of time. Oh and there is such thing as buy orders, it allows you to buy minerals for alot less than current sell order price average. That being said, I somehow doubt that the sellers that you're getting annoyed with only sell at expense.
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Irashi
Caldari Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.30 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Matori Kar Buy - insure - blow up - collect profitable insurance
Buy - realise insuring a BS costs ~30m - realise plan is ruined - you have no refine skills so you can't execute the other plan - you can't use it because you don't have skills for this particular BS - try to resell ________________________________________
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