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Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.01 21:58:00 - [1] Hello ? Does anyone think this makes sense ? Just bump someone out of arena and he gets /heal 0 and you move on in tournament. Why exactly is this allowed now when it wasn't before ? I'd say it deserves an award for worst rules change ever. Note; Has no effect at all on my tactics, I just think it's the dumbest thing I've heard today. http://eve.klaki.net/
darth solo Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.01 21:59:00 - [2] agreed, its kinda poor and makes for a rubbish fight. d solo. celes apoc kill board
Scythus Aratan Bad Karma.	Posted - 2006.12.01 22:06:00 - [3] Not that it helped them .
Martin Mckenna Caldari Navy Raiders DeStInY.	Posted - 2006.12.01 22:09:00 - [4] i made a post but it got locked about this exact thing. im not saying the corps that did this are****s just the rule makers need to shoot themself.
Andrew Gunn Frontline Defense Force Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.01 22:10:00 - [5] I think most of the people that got insta-ganked by the GMs flew out of the arena on their own. -- EVE-Development Network - Home of the EDK, which is a free, open-source killboard software.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.01 22:12:00 - [6] You're right Andrew, that's not what I have a problem with. I have a problem with bumping people out of arena being a viable and permitted tactic. http://eve.klaki.net/
Alkhar	Posted - 2006.12.01 22:15:00 - [7] Fraid your precious Impoc will get bumped out the arena?
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.01 22:15:00 - [8] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk You're right Andrew, that's not what I have a problem with. I have a problem with bumping people out of arena being a viable and permitted tactic. Whoever is doing this is probably trying to make a point while having a bit of fun. TBH tho, I'd be more concerned about the number of people who lost ships because they crashed. Kali stability 4tw. - Oz's Tourney Betting Pool
ASIV TRE Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.01 22:16:00 - [9] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk You're right Andrew, that's not what I have a problem with. I have a problem with bumping people out of arena being a viable and permitted tactic. Yeah and damps are really fun to watch, hmmmm lets watch a fight where one side shoots and the other doesnt. It was never in the rules so the "RULES" haven't been changed.
Crovan Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.01 22:44:00 - [10] Because Tyrrax "Throw-a-match-to-avoid-fighting-BoB-then-getting-pwned-by-their-short-handed-team-because-I-wouldn't-let-their-logistics-reconnect" Thorrk is the king of tourney ethics. Originally by: Seleene Client - "You smash them." MC - "Ooooh! Good! Like to smash!"
Pehova Mindtriq Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.01 22:50:00 - [11] I think it is a good rule. Never before have we seen so many different tactics in a tournament as we have now and as a viewer it is quite enjoyable. Bumping just adds another aspect to the fighting and you can counter it so I don't see a problem. The biggest problem I think is that we have seen alot of people crash/CTD which is crap tbh. Celes/Toxin vs BOB
ASIV TRE Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.01 22:54:00 - [12] Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq I think it is a good rule. Never before have we seen so many different tactics in a tournament as we have now and as a viewer it is quite enjoyable. Bumping just adds another aspect to the fighting and you can counter it so I don't see a problem. The biggest problem I think is that we have seen alot of people crash/CTD which is crap tbh. Yep it also gives something else to use against damps without having to use damps yourself. Like you say and Sel above more people have lost ships to either CTDing or just wondering out of the arena than being bumped.
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.01 22:55:00 - [13] The problem I have with the rule is not that MC used it on us. But the fact that just around 24 hours prior to that we were told it was NOT ALLOWED by someone involved with the tournament. And you guys are correct it does make for a less than enjoyable fight.
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.01 22:57:00 - [14] Originally by: SATAN The problem I have with the rule is not that MC used it on us. But the fact that just around 24 hours prior to that we were told it was NOT ALLOWED by someone involved with the tournament. And you guys are correct it does make for a less than enjoyable fight. We were told categorically 48 hours before it was allowed, this was from all tournament directors, 24 hours before it was reconfirmed. Communication breakdown ftw :)
Chronus26 Gallente Dark Blood Contracts	Posted - 2006.12.01 23:06:00 - [15] As far as I understand the arena is a 60k Radius with 30k start distance between teams. Presuming the teams start at equal distance across the center point that leaves 45k between them and the edge of the arena. 45K is a hell of a long way to bump sombody, so I doubt thats the enite story as far as that is concerned. As for contestants leaving under there own power, they knew the rules, and I know that if I was fighting I would be watching my distance from the center like a hawk for fear of going outwith the bounds. I just dont see how people could still continue to fall victim to this after the first few times. Yes, you could argue that they are focusing more on fighting and I understand that sometime these things go un-noticed during fights, but I would have thought having seen so many fight been lost entirley due to Team members leaving the arena it would be sticking out in peoples minds by now. Hope we see less of this tomorrow... -----
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.01 23:13:00 - [16] Originally by: Chronus26 As far as I understand the arena is a 60k Radius with 30k start distance between teams. Presuming the teams start at equal distance across the center point that leaves 45k between them and the edge of the arena. 45K is a hell of a long way to bump sombody, so I doubt thats the enite story as far as that is concerned. As for contestants leaving under there own power, they knew the rules, and I know that if I was fighting I would be watching my distance from the center like a hawk for fear of going outwith the bounds. I just dont see how people could still continue to fall victim to this after the first few times. Yes, you could argue that they are focusing more on fighting and I understand that sometime these things go un-noticed during fights, but I would have thought having seen so many fight been lost entirley due to Team members leaving the arena it would be sticking out in peoples minds by now. Hope we see less of this tomorrow... Actually i would advise people to try bumping a traversing ship, 45km :), it really is not that easy.
Hoshi DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.01 23:26:00 - [17] If you don't want to get bumped out I suggest you web your own ships. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations
Metacannibal Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.01 23:31:00 - [18] where is this a stealth rulechange? fact: - rules state that leaving the area gets you popped myth: - rules stating anything about the way someone leaves the arena, i.e. crash off warp due to ctd/mommy pullin basement plug, bump, holy supernova of doom so whats the fuss about? this tourney has rules to encourage outside the box thinking. its sad that whenever someone comes up with something fresh that the majority did not anticipate although clearly not ruled out by the previously announced rules, people come up and say "WHINE WHINE NOT FAIR". look at the fights, apart from a good # of "WOW WHAT THE HELL DID THEY THINK, THAT WONT WORK EVER!" things, we did see a few very nice interpretations of the rules such as the 4x bc thing, the ishkur wtfpwnzoring the megathron and a bunch of other bits of great entertainment for the alert pvper. the whole shippopping thing might be annoying for the players involved, but its great entertainment, which is what counts. i do think though, that having a "underage" commentator is not the best idea, nor is the britpop haircut of certain people with blue t-shirts great job overall though!
Chronus26 Gallente Dark Blood Contracts	Posted - 2006.12.01 23:31:00 - [19] Originally by: Sivona Originally by: Chronus26 As far as I understand the arena is a 60k Radius with 30k start distance between teams. Presuming the teams start at equal distance across the center point that leaves 45k between them and the edge of the arena. 45K is a hell of a long way to bump sombody, so I doubt thats the enite story as far as that is concerned. As for contestants leaving under there own power, they knew the rules, and I know that if I was fighting I would be watching my distance from the center like a hawk for fear of going outwith the bounds. I just dont see how people could still continue to fall victim to this after the first few times. Yes, you could argue that they are focusing more on fighting and I understand that sometime these things go un-noticed during fights, but I would have thought having seen so many fight been lost entirley due to Team members leaving the arena it would be sticking out in peoples minds by now. Hope we see less of this tomorrow... Actually i would advise people to try bumping a traversing ship, 45km :), it really is not that easy. Yeah I agree... I've tried to bump people many-a-time and if there moving I just zooooom right past... I fail at bumping. -----
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.12.01 23:49:00 - [20] Originally by: Hoshi If you don't want to get bumped out I suggest you web your own ships. That really doesn't help at all. Except making it easier for the hostiles to "hit" you. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Eleese Caldari Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.02 00:13:00 - [21] Originally by: dalman Originally by: Hoshi If you don't want to get bumped out I suggest you web your own ships. That really doesn't help at all. Except making it easier for the hostiles to "hit" you. shhhh ;)
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Astrophobics	Posted - 2006.12.02 00:54:00 - [22] Originally by: Hoshi If you don't want to get bumped out I suggest you web your own ships. Logic alone will tell you that this does't work! === It's great being Amarr, aint it?(tm) [Insert badass sig to match ego here]
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.02 00:57:00 - [23] Originally by: Crovan Because Tyrrax "Throw-a-match-to-avoid-fighting-BoB-then-getting-pwned-by-their-short-handed-team-because-I-wouldn't-let-their-logistics-reconnect" Thorrk is the king of tourney ethics. So true and so funny. Blog
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.02 00:58:00 - [24] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk You're right Andrew, that's not what I have a problem with. I have a problem with bumping people out of arena being a viable and permitted tactic. Whoever is doing this is probably trying to make a point while having a bit of fun. TBH tho, I'd be more concerned about the number of people who lost ships because they crashed. Kali stability 4tw. Shhhhh, don't mention the fact that it's ridiculous to try hold a tourny this soon after patch day... the trolls will be out in force! Blog
Prior Art	Posted - 2006.12.02 01:06:00 - [25] Originally by: Kyguard Originally by: Hoshi If you don't want to get bumped out I suggest you web your own ships. Logic alone will tell you that this does't work! Great! You should rename your alliance to Astrophysics... (no kidding)
merc999 Caldari Turbulent Subversion	Posted - 2006.12.02 01:13:00 - [26] Bumping out of arena a valid tactic? Bumping is very much part of Eve PvP , wether trying to get a opponents ship out of dock range in Empire, or trying to stop that stabbed freighter/Battleship warping... It is not a case of simply aiming at the oponents ship and letting fly, to bump someone "succesfully" eg: make the move/turn exactly where you want them too, takes a lot of practise and a fair amount manual piloting. I see no reason why a tactic used in PvP should be frowned upon in a PvP championship. MERC999 Public Relations Director TBSV Keeping Empire and Syndicate ship builders in business
Excesse The Priory	Posted - 2006.12.02 01:13:00 - [27] Edited by: Excesse on 02/12/2006 01:13:38 Not that I'm taking part, but allowing bumping did keep me laughing throughout the MC fight this evening. One huginn gone within the first 30s and 1bn of faction BS gone pop because you missed your drive-by? Classic stuff, long may it continue. :D Edit: Although if the impoc gets bumped to death... boy, there are gonna be some tears.
jamesw Omniscient Order The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2006.12.02 01:16:00 - [28] I'm not a fan of bumping being in , but that said - 1 huginn and that machariel was TOAST -- Latest Vid: Domination!
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.02 05:39:00 - [29] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Seleene TBH tho, I'd be more concerned about the number of people who lost ships because they crashed. Kali stability 4tw. Shhhhh, don't mention the fact that it's ridiculous to try hold a tourny this soon after patch day... the trolls will be out in force! Talking to your self again?
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.02 06:18:00 - [30] Originally by: merc999 Bumping out of arena a valid tactic? Bumping is very much part of Eve PvP , wether trying to get a opponents ship out of dock range in Empire, or trying to stop that stabbed freighter/Battleship warping... It is not a case of simply aiming at the oponents ship and letting fly, to bump someone "succesfully" eg: make the move/turn exactly where you want them too, takes a lot of practise and a fair amount manual piloting. I see no reason why a tactic used in PvP should be frowned upon in a PvP championship. And is there molten lava on TQ or GMs standing by to /heal 0 you ? How is that part of EVE's pvp exactly ? http://eve.klaki.net/

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