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4P's
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Posted - 2006.12.01 22:45:00 -
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As you noticed we partnered up with a new company for streaming EVE TV in an effort to make it better for you guys. During the last Alliance PVP Tourney we basically maxed out so we wanted to ensure that with more viewers we could serve all.
Our partner ran into problems with one of their network partners which caused so many to have re-buffering issues. They are now working hard to fix those issues and we will attempt to use their services again tomorrow, and hopefully those issues will be resolved.
If they don't get resolved then we are ready to hook the EVE TV stream directly onto the net in the same manner as before cause we want you to enjoy watching this. We have put a lot of effort into the broadcast and the last thing we want is for the stream to not work.
Cheers,
4P's
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Kylania
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.01 22:50:00 -
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Thanks PPPP! 
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Chronus26
Gallente
Dark Blood Contracts
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Posted - 2006.12.01 22:53:00 -
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<3 TBH 
Hope all goes well for tomorrow!
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MrBigstar
The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.12.01 22:54:00 -
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Thanks alot, there much fun in competing but if the spectators arent there its no fun.
I hope it will get fixed!
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Coasterbrian
Celestial Fleet
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.01 22:54:00 -
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Can't you just go back to the old method, anyway? A lot of people don't like browser based stuff, myself included. Makes multitasking a lot harder.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.01 23:12:00 -
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"we will attempt to use their services again tomorrow, and hopefully those issues will be resolved."
It's going to be horrible tomorrow 
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Eomar
Standard Operations Building Services
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Posted - 2006.12.01 23:13:00 -
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while im sure everyone appreciates the effort being put into providing a service, the browser based streaming sucks. lots.
If it worked in game then itd be worth it, but as it stands it makes eomar a sad bear.
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BalZ
Gallente
RONA Deepspace
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.12.01 23:16:00 -
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Edited by: BalZ on 01/12/2006 23:16:04
 Originally by: 4P's
we are ready to hook the EVE TV stream directly onto the net in the same manner as before cause we want you to enjoy watching this.
yes, please! that would be really awesome!
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Templer Relleg
FATAL REVELATIONS
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.01 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: BalZ
Edited by: BalZ on 01/12/2006 23:16:04
Originally by: 4P's
we are ready to hook the EVE TV stream directly onto the net in the same manner as before cause we want you to enjoy watching this.
yes, please! that would be really awesome!
I SOOO MUCH second that.
This way was awful. No more, no less. It was no good.
The other way, will make evetv perfect.
The content is SO GREAT. But the streaming(I mean the flash player, ofc.) breaks it kinda much.
Im looking forward to tomorrow. I hope you will make the right descision!
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Sevarus James
Minmatar
Meridian Dynamics
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.12.01 23:21:00 -
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Edited by: Sevarus James on 01/12/2006 23:21:58
Just an fyi, even if this is "better", as long as its a flash based in browser solution...I'll pass.
Last time I watched the entire tourney with almost zero lag/issues with a video player I wanted to use. Absolutely brilliant stuff.
This time? Surprised would be an understatement. "Refresh your browser" to fix buffering? suuuuuuuure.
Just stream with mainstream codecs and let the users decide how they want to view it. Sure, charge for the higher bandwidth, but if you are offering the low end, then keep it 'open'.
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Templer Relleg
FATAL REVELATIONS
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.01 23:23:00 -
[11]
Originally by: Sevarus James
Just an fyi, even if this is "better", as long as its a flash based in browser solution...I'll pass.
Yep, thats what does it for me too.
Originally by: Sevarus James
Last time I watched the entire tourney with almost zero lag/issues with a video player I wanted to use. Absolutely brilliant stuff.
Neither i had any problems really. Nothing compared to this time. It was kinda unwatchable this time. Last time, was just perfect for me.
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Majin82
Caldari
g guild
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Posted - 2006.12.01 23:30:00 -
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I gave up after the 10th time I lost the stream to buffering.
I really hope it's fix for tomorrow.
I don't care for the flash player at all though, but i'll live with it if I can enjoy watching the Turny.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.01 23:43:00 -
[13]
Originally by: BalZ
Originally by: 4P's
we are ready to hook the EVE TV stream directly onto the net in the same manner as before cause we want you to enjoy watching this.
yes, please! that would be really awesome!
**** YES!!!!!
DO IT!!!! 
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Deitre Cibrus
Cereal Killerz
The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.12.01 23:59:00 -
[14]
Originally by: 4P's
As you noticed we partnered up with a new company for streaming EVE TV in an effort to make it better for you guys. During the last Alliance PVP Tourney we basically maxed out so we wanted to ensure that with more viewers we could serve all.
Our partner ran into problems with one of their network partners which caused so many to have re-buffering issues. They are now working hard to fix those issues and we will attempt to use their services again tomorrow, and hopefully those issues will be resolved.
If they don't get resolved then we are ready to hook the EVE TV stream directly onto the net in the same manner as before cause we want you to enjoy watching this. We have put a lot of effort into the broadcast and the last thing we want is for the stream to not work.
Cheers,
4P's
Meant in the most un-flamest way but...
Just do what you did last year..
Last Year: Very few complaints
Today: Huge complains? Stealth Pay2View... seriously...
Please do last year over again
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Please don't derail your own thread.
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Broska
FATAL REVELATIONS
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.02 00:03:00 -
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PLEASE put it back up onto the old system, at least it was reliable + Incidently better quality.
I've missed a whole day of the tornie beceause of the crap flash rubbish. I now don't even stand a chance of seeing it by downloading because other can't record it (or do so as easily) and the first day of the tornie tends to be one of the best with alliance portfolio's and an overview of the tornie :(
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Originally by: Tovarishch
flying a Scorp into a fleet battle is like parking a pink moped in front of a biker bar - you will die... quickly.
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Leosian
Caldari
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.02 00:11:00 -
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I know you guys are working to resolve the issue and have prepared your backup plan.
But what happens if your new company partner is unable to resolve the problem and some people have paid for the HD version. Are they out of their money?
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.02 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: 4P's
As you noticed we partnered up with a new company for streaming EVE TV in an effort to make it better for you guys. During the last Alliance PVP Tourney we basically maxed out so we wanted to ensure that with more viewers we could serve all.
Our partner ran into problems with one of their network partners which caused so many to have re-buffering issues. They are now working hard to fix those issues and we will attempt to use their services again tomorrow, and hopefully those issues will be resolved.
If they don't get resolved then we are ready to hook the EVE TV stream directly onto the net in the same manner as before cause we want you to enjoy watching this. We have put a lot of effort into the broadcast and the last thing we want is for the stream to not work.
Cheers,
4P's
Thanks for the response, it means alot to know you guys are trying to fix it!
Today it was depressingly aweful. I'm not a fan of browser-based flash video, but if you get it working I can live with it. If it stays sub-quality though, its a failure.......
Summer's method was way better. More user friendly, better quality, better at everything. And EVE TV (the content) kicks ass, it deserves the best!
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TrippyX
The Syndicate Inc
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.02 00:41:00 -
[18]
thank you
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Ifni
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2006.12.02 01:00:00 -
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Last time alot of people asked for a higher res version, even if they had to pay for it. Thus, the hires paid for version. Bandwidth isn't cheap and the basic free version is 256k, the hires 1mb stream is 4 times as much bandwidth. With almost 10k viewers on the opening night (I think, I may be horrifically off on that number) the demand was alot higher than expected.
As you can see, there are various things underway to alleviate the buffering issues, and hopefully this should make it better.
On a related note, what is it about the flash player that people do not like? Please attempt to be specific rather than just shouting out "FLASH SUX!"
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jamesw
Omniscient Order
The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2006.12.02 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ifni
On a related note, what is it about the flash player that people do not like? Please attempt to be specific rather than just shouting out "FLASH SUX!"
FFS FLASH SUX!!11one
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Sensath Djorn
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Posted - 2006.12.02 01:22:00 -
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Edited by: Sensath Djorn on 02/12/2006 01:22:22
Originally by: Ifni
On a related note, what is it about the flash player that people do not like? Please attempt to be specific rather than just shouting out "FLASH SUX!"
It crashes my browser (Firefox 2.0) more than occasionally watching the streams today. I'd stop a stream when I wasn't watching and when I came back to watch I'd refresh the page. Quite a few times I crashed the browser.
But that's nothing really, I had to download and hack your webpage so I could view it fullscreen (save it locally and change the width and height on some areas of the javascript to increase the viewing size). If I had not, I would not have been able to see a thing without being an inch from my monitor (is that the sound of radiation, that buzz like a bug zapper?). And then it looks ugly but I ugly is better than not seeing anything at all I guess.
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Dei
Crystaline Green
Order of the Khanid Crown
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Posted - 2006.12.02 01:28:00 -
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Edited by: Dei on 02/12/2006 01:32:20
Edited by: Dei on 02/12/2006 01:31:39
Originally by: Ifni
On a related note, what is it about the flash player that people do not like? Please attempt to be specific rather than just shouting out "FLASH SUX!"
Well...the sound quality is awful, especially when the music for the trailers was playing. I thought my computer speakers were playing up, but no, it was infact the streaming doing it.
Also, it's much easier to just stick the address into VLC or Winamp and have the screen size perfectly adjustable and not download some flash player to make it run properly. "Refresh your browser to make it work" - what's that about? Just stream it god-dammit and work! I wanna watch some isk get sunk!
Finally, personally I hate to be told what to play stuff in, I don't want to watch it in flash player because it's my only option, I've got VLC and I want to use it plz. 
EDIT: Oh yeah, I was happily sitting back in my chair enjoying the commentary and then this pop-up goes "Click continue if you want to continue watching". !?! If I didn't want to watch it, I would close my browser! Had to rush in slow motion to my mouse so I didn't have to go through the pain-staking task of clicking on 'low-quality' again because I can't afford your premium rate of ú1 per hour of random buffering which is a little bit better than the low quality random buffering fest.
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nickky01
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.12.02 01:29:00 -
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today was pretty much a joke. if it dosn't get fixed, are you going to provide videos of the fights for free, or are you going to make us pay for a DVD?
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SpaceDrake Taleweaver
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Posted - 2006.12.02 02:11:00 -
[24]
Originally by: Ifni
On a related note, what is it about the flash player that people do not like? Please attempt to be specific rather than just shouting out "FLASH SUX!"
Flash DOES suck, and I've got reasons.
1) Horrible video quality, and no true way to get fullscreen mode. The video is often artifacted, and even the "fullscreen" option still leaves the browser bar in the window. Plus, god help you if you go fullscreen on the low quality feed.
2) Horrible video compression. IIRC, you can't use good codecs for the Flash movie playback. That would be one of the reasons they used up their bandwidth - they could get smaller bitrates with no loss in quality if they used non-Flash 'casting!
3) Bad sound quality, as others have mentioned.
4) Stability problems.
For the love of god just go back to the old setup if you can, and wait until you find a good provider for this sort of service before changing.
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Hydraxian
Gallente
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.12.02 03:05:00 -
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The thing that really showed quality wise was that last year im pretty sure you could at least make out the players names/alliance tags... this time it all looks like a blur (or am i going blind?) + stupid buffering + crashes with Firefox + sound quality + artifacts = *** playback
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Ryas Nia
Minmatar
Stormriders
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2006.12.02 03:23:00 -
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5hrs was more than enough time to fix the problem... since it was not fixed... they lose your biz simple as that. The performance today was not good enough lots of people PAID to watch and did not get to. Im sorry but these guys dont get a second chance not after 5 solid hrs of failure.
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Mitchman
Omniscient Order
The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2006.12.02 03:26:00 -
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Seriously, why doesn't eve-tv make the footage available for download aftee the broadcast is over?
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Hinkledolph
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2006.12.02 04:06:00 -
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Your giving them another chance?
Get ready to for your ENTIRE PLAYERBASE to be unable to watch. All the planning and work for the first day was a total waste for the majority of your viewers... and your planning to do it AGAIN.
Make the old stream an option from the first match on... and drop this browser based non-working software you got scammed into using.
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More Ahn
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Posted - 2006.12.02 04:22:00 -
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OK, I won't say flash sucks. I will say Flash VIDEO Sucks. Flash was originally designed for vector and image animation, possibly UI mockups as well, but not fullmotion video. Sure it could do it, just not well.
It uses way too much CPU to do what would be better done using a media player.
Based on the words "securely distribute and monetise" on Jalipo's website, it uses DRM. Since almost all DRM requires encryption and decryption somewhere along the stream, it's using even more bandwidth than it actually needs for display.
Based on the reaction to people distributing the torrents of the last Tourney coverage, it seems very odd that it's now much harder for such things to happen.
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar
The Nest
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.02 04:40:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Sevarus James
Edited by: Sevarus James on 01/12/2006 23:21:58
Just an fyi, even if this is "better", as long as its a flash based in browser solution...I'll pass.
Last time I watched the entire tourney with almost zero lag/issues with a video player I wanted to use. Absolutely brilliant stuff.
This time? Surprised would be an understatement. "Refresh your browser" to fix buffering? suuuuuuuure.
Just stream with mainstream codecs and let the users decide how they want to view it. Sure, charge for the higher bandwidth, but if you are offering the low end, then keep it 'open'.
Seriously...
If you wanted to sell DVD's in the EVE-Online store would you want to give people the ability to make free torrents?
Get a grip.
Team Minmatar
Carriers need Clone Vats
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BillyBong2
Amarr
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.02 04:46:00 -
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If someone thinks they (Jopia) stand a chance tomorrow, they are sadly mistaken. More of North American players will have the afternoon to play and watch. I know that is what I am planning to do. So, if they don't get it fixed now, it won't likely get fixed.
Was there ever even a test done to see what they could handle?
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Thorjak
Confederation of Red Moon
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.02 04:53:00 -
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/deep breath
Flash was never designed for streaming video, tbh I've got no idea what the Jalopi guys are smoking, In any case, I'd have to turn it down and pass on.
Even when the streams running perfectly you have 2 choices.. postage stamp or full screen. No middle ground (unless your running a doctored web page... thx whoever put there's up in general discussion.) then you get to video quality.. oh boy. when I tried the trial HD stream (if it was working at all) it was barely up to the quality of the fanfest broadcasts.
There's a reason mpeg and wmv got so good at video, and it's because thats what they were designed for. When I can scale a flash video stream at will in the media player of my choice it will be good enough, till then, please handle these things with asbestos gloves.
Thorjak
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Iss Hogai
Caldari
GREY COUNCIL
Breidablik
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Posted - 2006.12.02 06:43:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Ifni
On a related note, what is it about the flash player that people do not like? Please attempt to be specific rather than just shouting out "FLASH SUX!"
People want to watch AND play at the same time, I know I do. Can't do that with a low quality, wobbly audio, rebuffering flash video thingy in a browser window. I would be very much happy to hook on to a stream with VLC player, resize the window to a useful size, place it where I want to have it on my desktop and then continue to play the oh so great game of EVE while I watch.
Thanks for the hard work EVETV guys. Just make sure this watch-in-browser thing goes away!
In the end, everything is grey...
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Corey Grim
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.02 07:45:00 -
[34]
Originally by: 4P's
Stuff
Thanx for response to our screaming and yelling
anyway its good to hear you are working to fix the problem would be nice tho if u would throw that flash out of window (i wont go to reasons u can view 10 pages reasons in sticky thread).
Also i dont mind if the quality of the video aint so good but when its that bad u cant see the names of dudes fighting ..it just.. annoys a lot..
Originally by: Xendie
i got a 25mbit line up and down and its stable as a rock and lowping in general to anything except china and eve-tv.
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Templer Relleg
FATAL REVELATIONS
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.02 07:59:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Ifni
On a related note, what is it about the flash player that people do not like? Please attempt to be specific rather than just shouting out "FLASH SUX!"
Ifni, i pointed it out very nicely on IRC yesterday, before evetv began.
1. Its VERY hardly userfriendly. You cant do that much. Sure, you can run fullscreen. But thats about it. Windows media player allows you do run fullscreen, AND have another application focused. With the flash player, this is not possible, as the fullscreen mode stops, when you have another program but your browser focused.
2. The application is made in flash. This needs to be hosted in internet explorer, which tend to have a very heavy footprint. And i dont wanna spend that much screen space. The menu in your browser, aswell as the eve site, takes up space, and arent THAT pretty, over 6 hours, where you are staring at it.
3. It does not allow linux users(Not that i know off) to watch evetv, because theres no implementation of flash, that supports the Jalipo application(Which suck anyways), because it seems very hardcoded, when it checks the flash version. So a part of the userbase is cut off from being able to see it. This is not the case with a raw asx stream, because theres a lot of implementations to understand that.
4. The most basic user, do not have to install flash onto his computer. EVERYBODY(Yes, even people who uninstalled wmp, because it ONLY deletes shortcuts) have some kind of mediaplayer(But people who are stupid enough to buy Windows N), that understands asx.
You could host windows media player in the website too, which just takes the wmp to be installed, and it will run like it was that flash application, with less footprint, bugs(Its a bloody beta application) and tears from computer sciencetists crying themself to death when they see people do like this.
5. The platform is hardly bugfree, i noticed decreasing performence on my system, in certain situations, when the application began buffering. Its hosted on top on several layers. First we have IE, which itself, is not like the amount of bugs around javascript(Which is used to call the application, thus the javascript engine is loaded, which is also quite bugged, in ie6 especially). Then theres the flash engine. I dont trust it, niehter like it. Performence is usually very bad. And then you have this beta application, calling down into the other things. Its just nasty, from a computer sciencetists eyes, and does not work well in reallity. The way google did it, was ok. But this is just BAD!!!
You HAVE to understand. Applications are made, for specific reasons.
Windows media player, are made for viewing media, and streaming, etc.
Flash is made for small fun applications, that are not heavy for the system, or uses large amount of data.
The way flash is put to use here, is just hurting my hearth. WMP is made for viewing media, and its damn good at it(SO is winamp and vlc), but flash isn't. Sure, in eve, you can think out of the box with GREAT resulsts, but not when it comes to applications
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QwaarJet
Gallente
Rage of Angels
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.02 09:52:00 -
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The flash thing looks wrong. Plus I don't like having to watch a video hooked into my browser, I just want it on media player, like it should have been in the first place instead of going with some company called "Jalopeno" or whatever they are called.
And I don't care if the stream is 256K, the codec is clearly worse than last tournament. It's much jaggier and when someone is talking it's hard to see their mouth moving because the quality is so bad.
"Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!" |
Verus Potestas
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.12.02 10:09:00 -
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Well, I'll try it again today. If it sucks again, I'm going to cry.
Even without the streaming issues, the Jalipo flash player was abysmal. The picture quality was rubbish, it couldn't scale back rather than buffer, the sound quality was rubbish, there was no way of running it in an "always on top" window in the corner like I did with MPC or VLC the previous times.
Please, even if you can fix the buffer problems, just go back to the ASX stream.
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing.
RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy |
tams
Gallente
Privateers
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Posted - 2006.12.02 10:11:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Templer Relleg
Originally by: Ifni
On a related note, what is it about the flash player that people do not like? Please attempt to be specific rather than just shouting out "FLASH SUX!"
Ifni, i pointed it out very nicely on IRC yesterday, before evetv began.
1. Its VERY hardly userfriendly. You cant do that much. Sure, you can run fullscreen. But thats about it. Windows media player allows you do run fullscreen, AND have another application focused. With the flash player, this is not possible, as the fullscreen mode stops, when you have another program but your browser focused.
2. The application is made in flash. This needs to be hosted in internet explorer, which tend to have a very heavy footprint. And i dont wanna spend that much screen space. The menu in your browser, aswell as the eve site, takes up space, and arent THAT pretty, over 6 hours, where you are staring at it.
3. It does not allow linux users(Not that i know off) to watch evetv, because theres no implementation of flash, that supports the Jalipo application(Which suck anyways), because it seems very hardcoded, when it checks the flash version. So a part of the userbase is cut off from being able to see it. This is not the case with a raw asx stream, because theres a lot of implementations to understand that.
4. The most basic user, do not have to install flash onto his computer. EVERYBODY(Yes, even people who uninstalled wmp, because it ONLY deletes shortcuts) have some kind of mediaplayer(But people who are stupid enough to buy Windows N), that understands asx.
You could host windows media player in the website too, which just takes the wmp to be installed, and it will run like it was that flash application, with less footprint, bugs(Its a bloody beta application) and tears from computer sciencetists crying themself to death when they see people do like this.
5. The platform is hardly bugfree, i noticed decreasing performence on my system, in certain situations, when the application began buffering. Its hosted on top on several layers. First we have IE, which itself, is not like the amount of bugs around javascript(Which is used to call the application, thus the javascript engine is loaded, which is also quite bugged, in ie6 especially). Then theres the flash engine. I dont trust it, niehter like it. Performence is usually very bad. And then you have this beta application, calling down into the other things. Its just nasty, from a computer sciencetists eyes, and does not work well in reallity. The way google did it, was ok. But this is just BAD!!!
You HAVE to understand. Applications are made, for specific reasons.
Windows media player, are made for viewing media, and streaming, etc.
Flash is made for small fun applications, that are not heavy for the system, or uses large amount of data.
The way flash is put to use here, is just hurting my hearth. WMP is made for viewing media, and its damn good at it(SO is winamp and vlc), but flash isn't. Sure, in eve, you can think out of the box with GREAT resulsts, but not when it comes to applications
AMEN!
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maria stallion
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.02 11:08:00 -
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well besides that the flash player doesn't run that well on certain desktop,
the flashplayer is unable to give the best video quality with a low bitrate.
the flashplayer can handle many different codecs, but the same stream almost always looks way beter in a media player then used in a flash player.
flashplayers are nice for short media clips that don't take that long,
but eve is more like real television, and almost then a wmv codec or something like it would be beter. the quality overall is beter and the bandwitdh useage is probally lower aswell.
BTW I'M STILL GLAD YOU GUYS ARE BROADCASTING.
!!!For the people that don't know, the first tournament was online broadcasted through eve-radio, eve-tv only just started and I still think they are doing a great job.
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Dri Kulsane
Amarr
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.02 11:45:00 -
[40]
Please put it back to normal, this in browser is too restricting and cannot compare to the quality of normal media players 
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omghax0r
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Posted - 2006.12.02 12:10:00 -
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This URL may bring the flash player up in the full window (there's no live stream for me to try it on right now):
long url linkified
Once it's there (in its own window), it becomes a lot more like a media player window. No "keep on top" but at least there's no fluff around the action. :D
And You can run this under Linux, too. You just need to install the beta Flash 9 player for Linux. Try here. (Yes, that's running a beta flash object on a beta flash plugin).
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Di Jiensai
Gallente
Myster0ns
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Posted - 2006.12.02 12:48:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Ifni
On a related note, what is it about the flash player that people do not like? Please attempt to be specific rather than just shouting out "FLASH SUX!"
Well, for one thing, for whatever reason, i cant run it on my laptop whichis old, and has linux only.
Last time, i watched the stream with VLC on said laptop, and it worked fine.
Now i can watch it only on my main PC, which is also not very young, and if i try to run eve on that AND the flash stream, both are slideshows.
Result, couldnt watch yesterday, but was looking forward to it soo much.
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Argyle Jones
Minmatar
Wreckless Abandon
The UnAssociated
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Posted - 2006.12.02 13:45:00 -
[43]
Suggestion:
Don't know if this is in anyway possible. But have CCP ever considered creating an
ingame tv function? This worked for other games, such as GTV of quake 3, and HLTV
of halflife.
No streaming is necessary. The client just gets data from the "tv broadcast" ingame,
while not recieving it's normal data. This has the added benefit of letting clients
control the camera themselves, image quality is the same as when you play the game
yourself and it uses considerably less bandwidth than a video stream. That way we
wouldn't have to pay for decent quality either.
For the audio commentary, the new ingame VOIP might then be a solution.
Anyway, just a thought.
/Argyle.
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Mylinn Funi
IMPERIAL SENATE
Pure.
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Posted - 2006.12.02 14:39:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Argyle Jones
Suggestion:
Don't know if this is in anyway possible. But have CCP ever considered creating an
ingame tv function? This worked for other games, such as GTV of quake 3, and HLTV
of halflife.
No streaming is necessary. The client just gets data from the "tv broadcast" ingame,
while not recieving it's normal data. This has the added benefit of letting clients
control the camera themselves, image quality is the same as when you play the game
yourself and it uses considerably less bandwidth than a video stream. That way we
wouldn't have to pay for decent quality either.
For the audio commentary, the new ingame VOIP might then be a solution.
Anyway, just a thought.
/Argyle.
I do belive some dev mentioned that this was beging looked into.
Dont remember who or when it was said though.
But seriously people, get a grip!
This will be fixed, go play with fire or something until then.
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Captain IceEye
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.02 14:41:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Argyle Jones
Suggestion:
Don't know if this is in anyway possible. But have CCP ever considered creating an
ingame tv function? This worked for other games, such as GTV of quake 3, and HLTV
of halflife.
No streaming is necessary. The client just gets data from the "tv broadcast" ingame,
while not recieving it's normal data. This has the added benefit of letting clients
control the camera themselves, image quality is the same as when you play the game
yourself and it uses considerably less bandwidth than a video stream. That way we
wouldn't have to pay for decent quality either.
For the audio commentary, the new ingame VOIP might then be a solution.
Anyway, just a thought.
/Argyle.
This sounds like a great idea. Could also be used to record in game movies which then can be played back in the client.
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5n4keyes
Caldari
Sacred Templars
DeStInY.
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Posted - 2006.12.02 14:45:00 -
[46]
Sound is much improved today, shame it keeps stopping every minute or so
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Hermia
Aliastra
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Posted - 2006.12.02 14:47:00 -
[47]
The 250k service is working perfectly for me
Yesterday i had the 1000k working perfectly as well. Today that payed service is unwatchable, always buffering. Shouldnt have payed for credits :(
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Tvaishk Suzuki
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Posted - 2006.12.02 14:56:00 -
[48]
The 250k seems ok so far I'm holding my breath on that one, waht I am anoyed about is it seems they've just disabled the 1000k line completly all you get is "video not available" which given thats the one you pay for it does not bode well for the rest of the afternoon.
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Selene Amateras
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Posted - 2006.12.02 14:57:00 -
[49]
i'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but if i'm not wrong the main reason why the flash player is more unstable is because it doesn't take advantage of proper video acceleration, while other media players do.
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.12.02 15:06:00 -
[50]
Steam working far better now, but I'm still not liking the flash player.
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing.
RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy |
Grez
Minmatar
The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.12.02 15:15:00 -
[51]
Mine keeps dropping for some reason. Or rather, randomly stopping.
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Kasigi
Caldari
The Pariahs
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Posted - 2006.12.02 15:33:00 -
[52]
This is bloody terrible, browser viewing and flash sucks heavily.
I was going to watch, this is just unviewable. If the browser doesn't have focus then it's stuttering all over the place and this is on a powerful PC.
It was much better in media player or winamp. CCP have lost the plot totally, worst idea I've seen.
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Tvaishk Suzuki
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Posted - 2006.12.02 15:42:00 -
[53]
Ok thanks ccp for getting jalipo to make it more reliable, on the 250K I havent droped out much at all since the start.
However as a note for next time please can we not let this happen next time as Now due to jalipo disablening the 1000k conextion all of us who paid for credits have now lost our money, as the function that they are used for is now not working.
overall NEVER use jalipo again.
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Ruato
Gallente
Gurgleblaster Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.02 15:43:00 -
[54]
No issues whatsoever today.
Just wanted to pop in and say thanks
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mokum
The Final Blow
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Posted - 2006.12.02 15:46:00 -
[55]
Its still **** to watch.
Was looking forward to this weekend but im not gonne bother with it anymore. Good idee ccp EVe tv ftw???
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dracular
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Posted - 2006.12.02 15:47:00 -
[56]
WHY oh WHY did i not read this before departing with a tenner ???
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Tvaishk Suzuki
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Posted - 2006.12.02 16:49:00 -
[57]
Its gone Boom for me in the studio chat, its now just at 0 or 5% buffer and showing nothing but a still pic of the guys in the studio. and its been like that for about 3 min now I guess.
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Gojak
Confederation of Red Moon
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.02 16:50:00 -
[58]
Can anyone get the stream to work? it's dead here.
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Raivi
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2006.12.02 16:51:00 -
[59]
Now it's completely borked for me, doesn't get past buffering 0% and then it simply says stopped.
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Corin Rhal
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Posted - 2006.12.02 16:51:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Corin Rhal on 02/12/2006 16:51:51
this seems like an oppurtune time to switch to winamp or not flash embedded streaming got some time before next match and everything just went dark so may aswell do it now but i don't have all the information they do so guess just go play eve for couple :)
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Spike Spegel
Minmatar
Infinite Improbability Inc
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.12.02 16:53:00 -
[61]
It is dead...
Spike out
__________________________
[3-I] till I die
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2006.12.02 16:55:00 -
[62]
Originally by: 4P's
As you noticed we partnered up with a new company for streaming EVE TV in an effort to make it better for you guys. During the last Alliance PVP Tourney we basically maxed out so we wanted to ensure that with more viewers we could serve all.
Our partner ran into problems with one of their network partners which caused so many to have re-buffering issues. They are now working hard to fix those issues and we will attempt to use their services again tomorrow, and hopefully those issues will be resolved.
If they don't get resolved then we are ready to hook the EVE TV stream directly onto the net in the same manner as before cause we want you to enjoy watching this. We have put a lot of effort into the broadcast and the last thing we want is for the stream to not work.
Cheers,
4P's
Well its about that time to put in the Plan B.
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xeno calligan
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Posted - 2006.12.02 16:55:00 -
[63]
Edited by: xeno calligan on 02/12/2006 17:02:57
Please bring back the direct EVE TV streams:
- No random stops (same problem as Grez)
- No need to get up and press "continue" to keep watching (what were they thinking?
 ) - Better video quality
- Better sound quality
- We can use our own client software (better UI, not browser based, nice post processing filters)
The flash based client is simply a downgrade in every way.
Direct streams FTW
Edit: Stream is down - Japan
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Xenny Lee
Minmatar
The Splinter Syndicate
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.02 16:56:00 -
[64]
Down =(
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Spike Spegel
Minmatar
Infinite Improbability Inc
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.12.02 16:56:00 -
[65]
BTW it is more like EVERADIO then EVETV ;)
Spike out
__________________________
[3-I] till I die
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Altai Saker
Omniscient Order
The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2006.12.02 16:57:00 -
[66]
Please release the old stream, not working for me in US - West
http://www.omniscient-order.com/ |
Tvaishk Suzuki
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:00:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Tvaishk Suzuki on 02/12/2006 17:04:21
Originally by: Altai Saker
Please release the old stream, not working for me in US - West
Thats a good idea saying where you are so they know wheres its screwing up. (though I think its everywhere)
So Sill nothing here its just not working. am in the - UK
Ok its back up now just in time for the fight but I'd bet it will go down again.
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CJ Regard
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:01:00 -
[68]
Yea Dead here too!
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Karen Dark
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:06:00 -
[69]
Dead for me as well.
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Wodin Drukvik
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:07:00 -
[70]
Completely dead in US - East Coast as well. I guess there was a complete system failure.
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elohllird
Gallente
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:08:00 -
[71]
ffs sort it out it was better yesterday and that was ****
Video is running behind the audio, im watching the studio at 2fps while i listen to the fight
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Tiuwaz
Minmatar
Omacron Militia
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:13:00 -
[72]
dead here aswell, middle europe
Originally by: Gallente Information Ministry
A Myrmidon pilot with 5 heavy drones is a bad pilot, someone who dies to him can only be worse.
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Serielle
Dark and Light inc.
D-L
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:16:00 -
[73]
It's super borked here on the US West coast as well.
*waits patiently for an alternative*
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Corey Grim
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:17:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Corey Grim on 02/12/2006 17:20:44
Boom Headshot for Flash.
Can you guys plz plz believe now that the old stream was better ?
i hope you get it work (the old stream), and i sure as hell hope u can make it work today.
that would be nice.
Then i might consider removing the quote under my sig
thnx.
(and yes i know the problem isnt exactly your fault but as allways 3rd party anything is bad mmm¦kay)
Originally by: Xendie
i got a 25mbit line up and down and its stable as a rock and lowping in general to anything except china and eve-tv.
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Aaron Rex
Caldari
The Fated
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:19:00 -
[75]
I hope the network issues are sorted out soon, or if not, that good measures are taken for the next tourny. I can see that a lot of very good effort has been put into this broadcast. Makes me feel proud of CCP, EveTV crew and the community. Which in turn makes me sad to see it let down by a third party network problem.
Hope the best, but if all fails, hope the lessons you learned here will benifit you in the next tourny 
Aaron Rex - Remember the Scordite...
The Fated |
More Ahn
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:25:00 -
[76]
Templer said it quite well.
By the way, you could see the video in Mozilla SeaMonkey, so I suspect Firefox works, too... I can't be sure, because the stream seems to have decided not to send data to Texas any more.
The more software layers you have between the original content, and the person watching it, the more likely it is that one of those layers will have performance issues. The old "chain is only as strong as the weakest link" saying is still true in software. It is especially true with DRMed, proprietary, beta software with the word "monetise" on the developer's website.
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Imicusin
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:26:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Ifni
On a related note, what is it about the flash player that people do not like? Please attempt to be specific rather than just shouting out "FLASH SUX!"
Originally by: www.eve-online.com/evetv
EVE TV is a bold new concept in the world of online gaming. It delivers high quality streaming video directly to the player, bringing coverage of in-game events, current news, announcements, as well as interviews with Developers and Players.
High quality video? No.
Streaming? No.
Coverage? No.
In-Game anything? No.
Current anything? No.
Interviews? You wish.
Battle Coverage? You're not done yet.
Worth my time? ___
I want to watch, I dont care if its low quality, or you have to void your contract with this company... by now you should realize that your player base has spoken.
...Please just change it back
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Ivalde Svartalf
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:28:00 -
[78]
Yepp, this was really a disappointment...
Could see the fight with SMASH, then it just broke... 0% buffering.
Just dead since then.
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Rhaven
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:31:00 -
[79]
all I saw was something about a domi and it crashed/booted me off. This is the worst exp I have seen. Plus to put ppl in a .1 and say fight and let the ppl fighting to take security hits for a turny.. heh ..
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:34:00 -
[80]
Originally by: 4P's
If they don't get resolved then we are ready to hook the EVE TV stream directly onto the net in the same manner as before cause we want you to enjoy watching this. We have put a lot of effort into the broadcast and the last thing we want is for the stream to not work.
Right, you promised. It's gone down again, off you go
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing.
RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy |
Doppleganger
Minmatar
Band of Builders Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:34:00 -
[81]
Originally by: More Ahn
I can't be sure, because the stream seems to have decided not to send data to Texas any more.
Yeah I'm in TX as well and it just sits their at buffering 0%. I was able to watch the 1st 6 matches but now it seems dead.
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Constantinee
Caldari
PAX Interstellar Services
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:34:00 -
[82]
All i saw was they were abou to cut to the ascn fight the dude with the long hair was talking and boom o% buffering thre last half hour major dissapointment.
Want a Cheap sig? |
Tvaishk Suzuki
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:34:00 -
[83]
Yep its totaly dies for me again, I just saw the the flycatcher go down (for the second time then nothing....
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DiNoer
Karjala Inc.
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:34:00 -
[84]
It just lost it totally.. I think the US continent just woke up to Saturday
La prospTritT de l'Gme libre
La prospTritT de la fTdTration
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DeWieKat
Xenobytes
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:37:00 -
[85]
sems like ever1 lost connetion
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Kalashtar
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:37:00 -
[86]
flash player ftl :((
it died again.. sigh...
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Mr Vrix
Pegasus Mining and Securities
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:40:00 -
[87]
I have friends online, watching this tourney with me, heck during the intro they asked if they could use one of my accounts later on tomorrow, as they where impressed by the graphics and the idea of the gameplay.
Heck they could even tolerate Spiro<g>
They play other online game`s, and this was a way of showing them the deal about EVE.
If they found the flash impressive, heck guys wait until they see it for real or the old stream...
last two fights they just sat giggling.
....
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Dwight Hammerhead
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:40:00 -
[88]
why outsource smth that u managed to do last time in a very nice way.. those guys responsible for the streams are clearly up for a spanking.. and some ppl even payed for this to be able to use the HQ stream. which aint happening. smooth
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Too bad at photoshop and too poor to buy a sig |
NereSky
Gallente
Rage of Angels
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:40:00 -
[89]
Lost for words
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Orosinii
M'8'S
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:41:00 -
[90]
I have been sat at buffering 0% for about 10 mins now - not acceptable!
Stop the tourney sort out the Eve TV elements and then restart it again - before this turns out to be a very poor advertisement for Eve CCP and Revelations.
Cmon guys get it right ...... I have patience as do the rest of the playerbase we now need communication.
Oro
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Zeroskills
Bad Karma.
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:42:00 -
[91]
Yes--broken here as well.
Please stream directly.
Can we get a refund for credits purchased from your flashvideo vendor (i.e. credits we can't spend since their service is broken)?
Regards,
Zeroskills
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Raato
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:43:00 -
[92]
Looks like jalipo decided to start saving bandwidth :p
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Mylinn Funi
IMPERIAL SENATE
Pure.
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:44:00 -
[93]
I have to agree, if we're not getting any stream at least give us some answers.
Could you then perhaps replay the last fight during the break?
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Hydraxian
Gallente
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:44:00 -
[94]
Stream is dead in the water here (UK)..... bring back direct streaming!!!.... VLC ftw
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Tiuwaz
Minmatar
Omacron Militia
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:45:00 -
[95]
someone pod jalipo >_>
and i hope CCP gets any money back they paid those guys, this isnt acceptable, by the time they get the stream working if ever at all the tournament will be over.
Originally by: Gallente Information Ministry
A Myrmidon pilot with 5 heavy drones is a bad pilot, someone who dies to him can only be worse.
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Corey Grim
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:46:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Tiuwaz
someone pod jalipo >_>
How can you pod them if they are offline ?
i mean if this is their home page: http://www.jalipo.com/index.aspx............
Originally by: Xendie
i got a 25mbit line up and down and its stable as a rock and lowping in general to anything except china and eve-tv.
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K'vetch
The Tidemark
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:47:00 -
[97]
4p's, plse start the old system
thnx.
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Tiuwaz
Minmatar
Omacron Militia
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:48:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Corey Grim
Originally by: Tiuwaz
someone pod jalipo >_>
How can you pod them if they are offline ?
i mean if this is their home page: http://www.jalipo.com/index.aspx............
 only means that someone already heeded my call 
Originally by: Gallente Information Ministry
A Myrmidon pilot with 5 heavy drones is a bad pilot, someone who dies to him can only be worse.
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Spike Spegel
Minmatar
Infinite Improbability Inc
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:48:00 -
[99]
The roof the roof the roof is on fire
The roof the roof the roof is on fire
The roof the roof the roof is on fire
We don't need no water let the mo*****er burn
Burn mo******er burn....
Spike out
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Hol1day
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:49:00 -
[100]
Stuck at buffering 0% for 10mins now :((
Really a shame that such an awesome concept gets ruined by a 3part that doesn't do its job properly!
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MacDuncan
Minmatar
Unknown Society
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:51:00 -
[101]
A thread about broadcast issues...what broadcast???
No...honestly...it went fine for me until...*bang*..."0% buffering"...
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Might
As well
Train
Another
Race |
Tvaishk Suzuki
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:52:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Tvaishk Suzuki on 02/12/2006 17:54:41
"Jalipo is currently in beta û if you would like to join the beta trial then email [email protected] to find out more."
Just got this off there site under "Are you a broadcaster? ", I think this gives an answer that Jalipo is not up to it. Bring in plan B guys please, all where seeing now is a blank screen, and a Purchase Confirmation basicly saying we've now just thrown away a load of money to this crap.
But not to have this post being all negative, good job so far eve tv I've enjoyed waht I've been able to see so far.
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James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:52:00 -
[103]
Personally, I wouldn't mind paying if the service had worked. I think I share this sentiment with many others...
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Lanner Magnussen
Caldari
Universal Agencies
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:53:00 -
[104]
Man, freak'n weak.
US-West here, and the stream is down again. Went down just as Exquisite Malevolence lost their Flycatcher. This'll be the second fight today that I prettymuch missed because of broadcasting issues.
Please get it fixed, guys. I liked the direct feed a lot more than this flash junk, but to be honest this flash crap wouldn't bug me if it actually worked. (and for a while there it was... and I was thinking to myself, "man, what is everyone on the forums whining about?"...)
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Robert Sharp
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:54:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Robert Sharp on 02/12/2006 17:58:32
Originally by: 4P's
As you noticed we partnered up with a new company for streaming EVE TV in an effort to make it better for you guys.4P's
What a load of *RAP what you've done is try and screw more cash out of us for a substandard product that doesn't work! guess its always the third party that gets the blame...shame u can't stand up and take the blame yourselves.
We all know you are a business, so stop acting like you are doing us a favor, all you are interested in is how much money you can make from us.
This should have been free from the beginning WITH decent quality...until all the bugs where ironed out then people might have been willing to pay, BUT oh no. Now all the people that have paid including myself have to deal with getting their money back from this NEW company, which I guess is going to prove a pain in the Ass to do.
Sorry for this rant but this just winds me up, "we are doing this for you" like hell you are!
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Kittie Cat
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:54:00 -
[106]
So disapointed was really looking forward to this. real let down
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Aldee
Federated Holdings
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:58:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Orosinii
I have been sat at buffering 0% for about 10 mins now - not acceptable!
Stop the tourney sort out the Eve TV elements and then restart it again - before this turns out to be a very poor advertisement for Eve CCP and Revelations.
Cmon guys get it right ...... I have patience as do the rest of the playerbase we now need communication.
Oro
Heck 10 minutes try 1 hr for many many others.. time to put the old stream back up.
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Imicusin
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:59:00 -
[108]
The address of Jalipo in a previous post was bogus, the real address actually works...
http://www.jalipo.com/
(please notice the BETA)
I think we should petition those jailpo(beta) boys and ask them to give up and let ccp go back to the old streaming vid... Look up the email address of their services dept. [email protected] and complain, maybe that will make a difference?
Originally by: 4P's
If they don't get resolved then we are ready to hook the EVE TV stream directly onto the net in the same manner as before cause we want you to enjoy watching this. We have put a lot of effort into the broadcast and the last thing we want is for the stream to not work.
Prove it.
btw, its still busted (suprise)
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Majin82
Caldari
g guild
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Posted - 2006.12.02 18:01:00 -
[109]
EVE TV is failed for a 2nd day in the row!
WTF is up with this ****!!!!
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Bursty
Solar Storm
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.02 18:01:00 -
[110]
"My god, its full of stars", oh no, my mistake, just buffering
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ragewind
Caldari
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.02 18:03:00 -
[111]
yeah the ammount off CCP comments about this is just winning me over with confidence.
were are these back up plans you said you had!!! is it all talk or did you really have a back up plan?
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Robbie Boozecruise
Caldari
Eve Defence Force
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.02 18:05:00 -
[112]
taken from the Jalipo T&C
12. General
We do not guarantee continuous, uninterrupted or secure access to the Jalipo service, and operation of the Jalipo site may be interfered with by numerous factors outside our control for which we shall not be liable.
seems they are in the clear but i am still very ****ed off that i cant watch anything
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Corey Grim
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.02 18:08:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Imicusin
The address of Jalipo in a previous post was bogus, the real address actually works...
It was a good joke tho..... or atleast ticled my humour nerves in this very frustrating situation 
Originally by: Xendie
i got a 25mbit line up and down and its stable as a rock and lowping in general to anything except china and eve-tv.
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Cz Ire
Minmatar
Gradient
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.12.02 18:10:00 -
[114]
Seed torrents, please. I can live without seeing it live so long as i can *see* it.
today I got maybe a grand total of 5 minutes of footage, and all of it was "filler". pretty poor showing compaired to how good last time was.
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Turix
Silver Star Federation
Kurai Komichi
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Posted - 2006.12.02 18:15:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Turix on 02/12/2006 18:15:34
Oooops
I like the fact they claim they are coming soonÖ - i think we just got shafted 
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Tvaishk Suzuki
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Posted - 2006.12.02 18:16:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Imicusin
I think we should petition those jailpo(beta) boys and ask them to give up and let ccp go back to the old streaming vid... Look up the email address of their services dept. [email protected] and complain, maybe that will make a difference?
Signed I've sent of and email asking if there going to apologise to us to.
and guess waht its still down. - UK
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Spike Spegel
Minmatar
Infinite Improbability Inc
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.12.02 18:17:00 -
[117]
EVETV
Spike out
__________________________
[3-I] till I die
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Montaire
Lacedaemon.
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.02 18:20:00 -
[118]
HELLLOOOO CCP ? Are you here ?
They are all busy watching the stream since they have it direct.
Whats goign on is CCP is generating the stream in HD. They are then sending it to this third party, and the third party is breaking it down to a High End Stream (Which I paid for) and a low end stream, which is free.
Now CCP has the direct feed. They have the data, they could just put it out there, they make a CHOICE not to, because they are trying to get some sort of revenue off this.
However, at this very moment Im contacting my bank, pulling the transaction for service not provided.
They could put a direct stream onto the net. They are making a choice not to do so.
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Yumi Katanawe
Caldari
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2006.12.02 18:22:00 -
[119]
Jalipo website states it's a beta service...
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John Salvage
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Posted - 2006.12.02 18:22:00 -
[120]
my card was already charged for $10... I want my money back... and then some for pain and suffering , please!
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Montaire
Lacedaemon.
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.02 18:24:00 -
[121]
Sure thing. Call your bank, say you want a "Charge Back" and state the reason of "Service Not Provided"
They are charging you for a service they are not willing or able to provide.
Its a type of fraud, and you will get your money back and more than 4 or 5 of these gets an investigation from the Merchant Services group of the credit card company. They can get their ability to process and accept Credit Cards pulled over it.
Originally by: John Salvage
my card was already charged for $10... I want my money back... and then some for pain and suffering , please!
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Karen Dark
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Posted - 2006.12.02 18:30:00 -
[122]
I think that Jalipo underestimated the size of the fan base that EVE has. I'm not making excuses for them I think they suck as well and wish they would go back to the old way that wasnt broke. Hopefully CCP will put up the missed matches so we can download and watch them.
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Trey Pator
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Posted - 2006.12.02 18:35:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Spike Spegel
The roof the roof the roof is on fire
The roof the roof the roof is on fire
The roof the roof the roof is on fire
We don't need no water let the mo*****er burn
Burn mo******er burn....
Hee-haw burn mother*****er burn!
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Xenny Lee
Minmatar
The Splinter Syndicate
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.02 19:01:00 -
[124]
To be fair... the ammount of people watching it today>>>>>>>>>the ammount of people watching it yesterday... Was good while it lasted but for last hour or so been dead =( But seeing how many registered accounts they now have... would it have been that hard to get a decent contract that can feed 30+ thou people even at just the low quality.
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nickky01
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.12.02 19:05:00 -
[125]
pathetic
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this is my main :( |
Lorieen
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Posted - 2006.12.02 19:06:00 -
[126]
When it comes to watching an EvE Tournament I'm so glad they decided to make us beta testers instead of using a proven format.
Yesterday was 10 sec then buffer then 10 sec then buffer but today was much better cause they save up all that bandwith over time and give you feeds at 30 minute increments. 30 mins work then 30 minutes not working.
Plz Plz bring back last yrs feeds.
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nickky01
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.12.02 19:07:00 -
[127]
Originally by: 4P's
If they don't get resolved then we are ready to hook the EVE TV stream directly onto the net in the same manner as before cause we want you to enjoy watching this. We have put a lot of effort into the broadcast and the last thing we want is for the stream to not work.
well?
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this is my main :( |
Montaire
Lacedaemon.
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.02 19:16:00 -
[128]
Edited by: Montaire on 02/12/2006 19:16:12
Originally by: nickky01
Originally by: 4P's
If they don't get resolved then we are ready to hook the EVE TV stream directly onto the net in the same manner as before cause we want you to enjoy watching this. We have put a lot of effort into the broadcast and the last thing we want is for the stream to not work.
well?
They have made their choice.
Jalipo > Us.
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Karnov
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.02 19:17:00 -
[129]
Managed to get 1 minute of feed so far today, always buffering doesn't get past 0%... Please sort something out that WORKS!
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BillyBong2
Amarr
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.02 19:18:00 -
[130]
I said it on page 2. The demand is much higher today and they were destined to fail.
Fail they did!
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Montaire
Lacedaemon.
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.02 19:21:00 -
[131]
Originally by: BillyBong2
I said it on page 2. The demand is much higher today and they were destined to fail.
Fail they did!
They werent "Destined" for anything. They CHOSE this. They had the option for direct feed, 4p said as much.
This was an attempt to monetise the stream, and they have made that choice .
It is this way because they chose it to be this way.
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Luna Negra
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.02 19:22:00 -
[132]
And it dropped again... Buffering 0%
This must be a joke...
Gravity you win again! |
DiNoer
Karjala Inc.
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.02 19:24:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Spike Spegel
EVETV
MHWAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
HEHAHEHAEHAHEHEAHEHAEHAHEHAEHHAA
THIHIHIHIHIHIIHIHHIHIHIHIIHIHIII
ROFLHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA
QFT 
thehe
La prospTritT de l'Gme libre
La prospTritT de la fTdTration
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Matrix Aran
Legio Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.12.02 19:26:00 -
[134]
Thank god for a proper stream now. it may be choppy it may only be a backup stream but I thank you
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Originally by: Wrangler
It's a neuralizer.
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scabbsssjr
Gallente
M'8'S
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Posted - 2006.12.02 19:27:00 -
[135]
These new guys are idiots, they make you pay to get a "better" view, I have talked to many people and they have said that after they have paid for the credits, all they get is buffer, buffer, video has stopped.
Oh wait thats exactly what I am getting without paying them anything.
This is the 5th time today I have tried this jalip crap.
What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp. |
Kenshin Ender
FATAL REVELATIONS
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.02 19:28:00 -
[136]
Edited by: Kenshin Ender on 02/12/2006 19:28:13
To the genious behind jalipo idea, i salute you. There havent been single thing in EVE history where EVERYONE agreed upon till now. After achieving this marvelous thing can you pls give us back our direct feeds?
Thnx
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Lowa
Gallente
North Star Networks
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Posted - 2006.12.02 19:28:00 -
[137]
Sorry to say but honestly just drop the whole thing for now.
Whats the point of having it when it just keeps falling on its azz?
Not screaming that CCP sucks its just unfortunate this didnt work out
but having a half-functioning (if that) service is just causing dispair atm.
Regards,
Lowa
What if the truth was something else? |
PR3VIOUS
Caldari
The Flying Daggers
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.02 19:31:00 -
[138]
Why doesn't CCP go for a hybride solution? The commercial path they tried clearly isn't capable of dealing with the huge demands, but shutting it down won't be fair to all the people who paid Jalipo. What would be nice to see is the previous ASX streams next to the Jalipo sollution. That way the pressure is taken away from Jalipo and is hopefully enough to give the paid customers what they should get.
And for the record: me not liking flash sollution. Please please stop working with Jalipo as long as the only broadcast technique is Flash. It's nice for short things, you can even use it for RIA toys, but NOT for streaming stuff. It's not made for it and shouldn't be used for it! Use the right tool!
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PR3VIOUS
The Flying Daggers Corp
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Tehel Necrona
Minmatar
Black Omega Security
The OSS
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Posted - 2006.12.02 19:31:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Montaire
Sure thing. Call your bank, say you want a "Charge Back" and state the reason of "Service Not Provided"
They are charging you for a service they are not willing or able to provide.
Its a type of fraud, and you will get your money back and more than 4 or 5 of these gets an investigation from the Merchant Services group of the credit card company. They can get their ability to process and accept Credit Cards pulled over it.
Originally by: John Salvage
my card was already charged for $10... I want my money back... and then some for pain and suffering , please!
I think i'll give it a go, try and get my money back, but i just read their terms and conditions....
8. Refund Policy
Save to the extent that Jalipo is required to give a refund by any applicable legislation or other applicable law in any jurisdiction, you will not be entitled to a refund of the price paid for any Jalipo credits purchased by you. Refunds may be offered by Jalipo in its sole discretion including by way of example where a refund is offered by the rights holder in respect of a particular item of Content or in other exceptional circumstances such as the cancellation of an event. Refunds are not offered for any issues relating to video quality and reliability.
even if i don't get my money back, at least it will cause jalipo some grief.
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Montaire
Lacedaemon.
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.02 19:31:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Lowa
Sorry to say but honestly just drop the whole thing for now.
Whats the point of having it when it just keeps falling on its azz?
Not screaming that CCP sucks its just unfortunate this didnt work out
but having a half-functioning (if that) service is just causing dispair atm.
Regards,
Lowa
Lowa,
This is their choice , they have options and they have chosen this one.
Things are the way they are right now because CCP has made their choice .
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Montaire
Lacedaemon.
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.02 19:34:00 -
[141]
I think i'll give it a go, try and get my money back, but i just read their terms and conditions....
8. Refund Policy
Save to the extent that Jalipo is required to give a refund by any applicable legislation or other applicable law in any jurisdiction, you will not be entitled to a refund of the price paid for any Jalipo credits purchased by you. Refunds may be offered by Jalipo in its sole discretion including by way of example where a refund is offered by the rights holder in respect of a particular item of Content or in other exceptional circumstances such as the cancellation of an event. Refunds are not offered for any issues relating to video quality and reliability.
even if i don't get my money back, at least it will cause jalipo some grief.
Doesnt matter. They sign a Merchant Agreement with they start to accept credit cards. It binds them.
In this case they are charging for a serviec they cannot or will not provide.
If they dont give you the money back its fraud.
If they persist in taking money knowing they cannot provide the service its larceny (theft).
Banks have entire departments built around investigating this, I know because I used to work for such a department.
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Darius Shakor
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.12.02 19:34:00 -
[142]
Edited by: Darius Shakor on 02/12/2006 19:34:16
Mon, are you just going to keep spamming that choice garbage in every single thread? You are upset. I am upset. Wait for the DVD.
And for the record I don't disagree with you either but god, get off your soap box already it's getting silly and you look like a kid.
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=3 |
Jenina Hawke
Minmatar
Core Domination
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Posted - 2006.12.02 19:34:00 -
[143]
I did not think I would enjoy watching the tournament. And... well... now I don't have to think about it, because the option to watch is no longer there.
It sucks...
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Scifa
Caldari
Fat Bold Men
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Posted - 2006.12.02 19:37:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Montaire
Originally by: Lowa
Sorry to say but honestly just drop the whole thing for now.
Whats the point of having it when it just keeps falling on its azz?
Not screaming that CCP sucks its just unfortunate this didnt work out
but having a half-functioning (if that) service is just causing dispair atm.
Regards,
Lowa
Lowa,
This is their choice , they have options and they have chosen this one.
Things are the way they are right now because CCP has made their choice .
There is a reason for the choice.
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scabbsssjr
Gallente
M'8'S
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Posted - 2006.12.02 19:38:00 -
[145]
Originally by: PR3VIOUS
Why doesn't CCP go for a hybride solution? The commercial path they tried clearly isn't capable of dealing with the huge demands, but shutting it down won't be fair to all the people who paid Jalipo. What would be nice to see is the previous ASX streams next to the Jalipo sollution. That way the pressure is taken away from Jalipo and is hopefully enough to give the paid customers what they should get.
And for the record: me not liking flash sollution. Please please stop working with Jalipo as long as the only broadcast technique is Flash. It's nice for short things, you can even use it for RIA toys, but NOT for streaming stuff. It's not made for it and shouldn't be used for it! Use the right tool!
If I had paid money for this service and they treated me like they are treating us now, I would not give them a second, I would just call my credit card company and report it as fraud or tell em to cancel the charge.
What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp. |
DiNoer
Karjala Inc.
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.02 19:39:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Scifa
Originally by: Montaire
Originally by: Lowa
Sorry to say but honestly just drop the whole thing for now.
Whats the point of having it when it just keeps falling on its azz?
Not screaming that CCP sucks its just unfortunate this didnt work out
but having a half-functioning (if that) service is just causing dispair atm.
Regards,
Lowa
Lowa,
This is their choice , they have options and they have chosen this one.
Things are the way they are right now because CCP has made their choice .
There is a reason for the choice.
Yeah the red pill sux
La prospTritT de l'Gme libre
La prospTritT de la fTdTration
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Montaire
Lacedaemon.
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.02 19:42:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Scifa
There is a reason for the choice.
Indeed.
And the reason Im repeating it is that its the truth. People need to undestand things are as they are right now at ccp's chosing. They have options. This is the one they picked.
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Tvaishk Suzuki
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Posted - 2006.12.02 19:49:00 -
[148]
I'm sorry Eve Tv and ccp but this is just getting stuiped and in my opinion the AllianceTournament has failed the players its ment to be here for. You said that you had a plan B if things mucked up again, but they have and nothing has happen.
So I'm just fed up now and am just going to give up watching I'm afrade, theres no point realy as you can only watch a blank screen so long. (I might try and watch the final but I don't have much hope that I'll be able to realy....)
I hope you learn for next time I realy do, bad show very bad show.
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Angeldust
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.02 19:53:00 -
[149]
Lots of preparation went into this by the participants, the whole EvE-TV crew and ccp.
Its a great idea, and could incredibly boost everyone's love for a great game, rewarding all that preparation time and players flying to iceland just for it.
Instead, Jalipo ruins it for everyone, creating anger and frustration.
4P'S its time to take the matter away from that ripoff company that lets ppl buy credits and then doesnt even offer the high quality stream anymore (or any stream for that matter).
Dont let all that dedication be wasted.
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xeno calligan
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Posted - 2006.12.02 20:04:00 -
[150]
A direct stream is available at: http://mfile.akamai.com/19450/live/reflector:59902.asx?bkup=24170
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Tvaishk Suzuki
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Posted - 2006.12.02 20:07:00 -
[151]
lol I'm glad I came back to look round the forums, thanks at least hopefuly won't miss any more.
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Yasunari Kawabata
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Posted - 2006.12.02 20:10:00 -
[152]
/me sighs at the akamai stream
fluent video! no more artifacts! full screen! proper audio! more frames! readable text! and above all.. it works! :P
Cheers to whoever made this possible!
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Elaron
Minmatar
Legio Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.12.02 20:25:00 -
[153]
I sent Jalipo an email asking for a refund, and I got the following reply:
Quote:
On behalf of the Jalipo team weÆd like to apologise for the poor
streaming performance over the first two days of the competition. We
have been working hard behind the scenes with the Eve team to bring you
the best possible experience but unfortunately our streaming partner (a
major stream provider) has let us down.
We appreciate that this is an important event for everyone and both the
competitors and the Eve team are putting on a great show.
Right now we are working on a number of solutions to ensure reliable
streaming for the rest of the tournament. In the meantime we will be
refunding anyone that has bought credits.
The Jalipo Team
So at least they've pledged to the the honourable thing.
Elaron
It is never too late to correct the mistakes of the past. |
reg keeper
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Posted - 2006.12.02 21:07:00 -
[154]
Any chance you could show the last 4 match's of todays rounds as it was around that time that the stream dried up.
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Korpus Sepsis
ClanKillers
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.12.02 21:11:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Montaire
Originally by: Scifa
There is a reason for the choice.
Indeed.
And the reason Im repeating it is that its the truth. People need to undestand things are as they are right now at ccp's chosing. They have options. This is the one they picked.
And clearly it was the wrong choice. I hope even you can grasp that concept.
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Norway is the ****zle! |
dracular
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Posted - 2006.12.02 21:51:00 -
[156]
As usuall CCP found something that was not broken and tried to "fix it" , who do i see for the refund of the money i waisted ? can we now just go back to the original streamed service or has corparate greed taken over ?
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Capt Harlock
Band of Builders Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.03 03:45:00 -
[157]
I've seen 1!!!!! match thats it all i could watch. Do the presenters and guests know they have been talking to themselves for the last few days? I was soooo looking forward to this and it was great that ccp made it available. Shame all that hard work has been ruined tbh. Can we have a scapegoat to throw some rotten eggs at plz the mob is displeased........
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Julia Reave
Art of War
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.03 15:03:00 -
[158]
A/V sync issues...
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K'vetch
The Tidemark
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.03 15:28:00 -
[159]
and it dies again.....
thnx CCP
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Cheng Kung
Amarr
Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2006.12.03 15:28:00 -
[160]
Originally by: xeno calligan
A direct stream is available at: http://mfile.akamai.com/19450/live/reflector:59902.asx?bkup=24170
This link works for me, thanks.
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l3VGV
Rage and Terror
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Posted - 2006.12.03 17:20:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Cheng Kung
Originally by: xeno calligan
A direct stream is available at: http://mfile.akamai.com/19450/live/reflector:59902.asx?bkup=24170
This link works for me, thanks.
and only black screen and voices for me
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Luigi Thirty
Caldari
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.03 18:31:00 -
[162]
Originally by: l3VGV
Originally by: Cheng Kung
Originally by: xeno calligan
A direct stream is available at: http://mfile.akamai.com/19450/live/reflector:59902.asx?bkup=24170
This link works for me, thanks.
and only black screen and voices for me
You need codecs!
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This is a sig. There are many like it, but this one is mine. |
PhenScarrious
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Posted - 2006.12.03 20:59:00 -
[163]
Well the last alliance tourney was streaming fine for me, this one however is totally unwatchable through either flash or window media player.
Im not a complainer at heart but I was looking forward to watching the show after the success of the last one.
All I get this time round is a frustrating mess of buff,break up and rebuff............shame.
Please sort this out as Im obviously not the only one who really wants to watch a quality broadcast of the tourney.
thx.
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Noa Fuyu
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Posted - 2006.12.08 17:34:00 -
[164]
When I first started watching the flash player was giving me 250k quality.. now its jumped up to 500k for some reason and my not so good aussie internet is having trouble keeping up.. which overall makes for bad viewing. Is there anyway to get a choice please? I really want to watch it.. but its hard to when the audio is 10 seconds ahead of the video.. or it gets stuck on one spot for 30 seconds trying to buffer.. ;/
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gamertrav
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Posted - 2006.12.08 18:20:00 -
[165]
Am i the only person having audio problems? It keeps going all low-pitched, kinda like slow motion talking. It was fine at first, but now its all messed up
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SpaceDrake Taleweaver
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Posted - 2006.12.08 18:33:00 -
[166]
Nope, I'm getting odd audio distortion too.
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What good are actions if there's no one to tell the tale afterward?...
Former player of Andre Ricard (sold). Currently plays a Sekrit CharacterÖ. |
Dekiri
Beer and Kebabs
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.08 18:35:00 -
[167]
Same here can't understand a thing
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My dad can beat up your dad!
Support lowsec! |
Xod
EveTV
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Posted - 2006.12.08 18:36:00 -
[168]
Is this happening on the flash stream?
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Hermia
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.08 18:41:00 -
[169]
yep only on the flash, the windows media player is fine.
from writting this audio has become stable now. interesting
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DirtyHarry
Caldari
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.08 18:54:00 -
[170]
Originally by: xeno calligan
A direct stream is available at: http://mfile.akamai.com/19450/live/reflector:59902.asx?bkup=24170
Cheers dude, the official stream on the tunein page is a piece of **** just like last week, I guess I was expecting too much when I thought 1 week would be enough to fix it.
Havocide - DirtyHarryF-E Homepage F-E Killboard |
SpaceDrake Taleweaver
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Posted - 2006.12.08 19:26:00 -
[171]
Is it me or has the stream completely exploded now? Neither Jalipo or the direct will render at all.
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What good are actions if there's no one to tell the tale afterward?...
Former player of Andre Ricard (sold). Currently plays a Sekrit CharacterÖ. |
Kayanai
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Posted - 2006.12.08 22:32:00 -
[172]
Nothing at all works for me. No flash, no player can play no stream either. Comeon, i wanna watch EvETV :(
Kay
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Cikster
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Posted - 2006.12.09 11:21:00 -
[173]
I can only hope that CCP/Eve TV will compress this to Divx/xvid and put up a torrent since watching that Flash junk is really not doing this great event justice. I had major audio/video sinc issues with at least some of the matches yesterday (and it was a sinc problem that could be counted in minutes, not seconds).
It truelly was funny hearing "Over to the studio" when I still saw 3 ships left for each side in the video.
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Tweekism
Caldari
Tweek 'n' Co
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Posted - 2006.12.09 18:56:00 -
[174]
Hay guys,
Anyone know what happend to the 250k stream on Eve TV, im sure it was there yesterday, now i'll i can find is the 500k and its not as good (in terms of streaming, and i can't really see a quality increase)
thx everyone
Tweek
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Arshes Nei
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2006.12.09 19:31:00 -
[175]
Horribly streaming issues here, flash stream not working at all, the media player one buffering like crazy ... could watch the first half today without a single problem and now i only get get sound and a picture slideshow .
Dark-Rising |
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