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Lord Draylon
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Posted - 2006.12.02 05:20:00 -
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Why punish the legit mission owners by making them use an artificial key when simply flaging griefers as they attack the mission npc's will do the trick.
As soon as a griefer attacks a mission npc then he sets off a homing beacon that brings concord down on him like a ton of bricks. Very easy to do with the eve database.
Anyone who attacks the mission npcs and who is not part of the mission owner's gang...gets flagged.
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Merin Ryskin
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.02 05:26:00 -
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Get this through your head: it's NOT griefing. Stealing your stuff to ransom you is not griefing. Bringing down NPCs on you so I can take your loot is not griefing. Hunting you down and killing you is not griefing.
The most that would be reasonable is an aggression flag like with can theft. NOT concord intervention. Any carebear who thinks they're going to get concord protection for their profits is just a hopeless dreamer.
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Montaire
Lacedaemon.
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.02 05:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Lord Draylon
Why punish the legit mission owners by making them use an artificial key when simply flaging griefers as they attack the mission npc's will do the trick.
As soon as a griefer attacks a mission npc then he sets off a homing beacon that brings concord down on him like a ton of bricks. Very easy to do with the eve database.
Anyone who attacks the mission npcs and who is not part of the mission owner's gang...gets flagged.
Concord doesnt worth that way. The *best* you can hope for is a kill flag. Just like can theft, Concord wont stop it but they will look the other way on some revenge.
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addiction21
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Posted - 2006.12.02 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Get this through your head: it's NOT griefing. Stealing your stuff to ransom you is not griefing. Bringing down NPCs on you so I can take your loot is not griefing. Hunting you down and killing you is not griefing.
The most that would be reasonable is an aggression flag like with can theft. NOT concord intervention. Any carebear who thinks they're going to get concord protection for their profits is just a hopeless dreamer.
oh sorry doing this in .5+ space is not grifing get a clue and go hunt some people that want a fight not nop;ers that are geared toward a pve fight ot pvp. Typical pirat on the forums "Please give me a easier npc;er togank" since anyone thatknows anything knows that a pvp gear is far superior to a pve;ers gear.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
MAFIA
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.02 05:38:00 -
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Originally by: addiction21
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Get this through your head: it's NOT griefing. Stealing your stuff to ransom you is not griefing. Bringing down NPCs on you so I can take your loot is not griefing. Hunting you down and killing you is not griefing.
The most that would be reasonable is an aggression flag like with can theft. NOT concord intervention. Any carebear who thinks they're going to get concord protection for their profits is just a hopeless dreamer.
oh sorry doing this in .5+ space is not grifing get a clue and go hunt some people that want a fight not nop'ers that are geared toward a pve fight ot pvp. Typical pirat on the forums "Please give me a easier npc'er togank" since anyone thatknows anything knows that a pvp gear is far superior to a pve'ers gear.
I replaced the semicolons with apostrophe's but the bolded word in the red makes no sense what should it be so I can read your post lol
I love Gangsta rap, not too keen on oversized sigs tho - Cortes
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Lord Draylon
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Posted - 2006.12.02 05:41:00 -
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Wow, never thought ppl would be so shortsighted.
Players that want to take on missions and earn their prize at the end should not have to deal with a griefer who swoops in and kills the npc boss (steals the loot) as the mission owner is busy taking care of other mission npcs.
Anyone who thinks this is legit is completely warped.
It breaks the mission mechanics of the game because in some missions the mission owner can no longer finish the mission.
In any case CCP will correct this oversight else their help desk will simply crash with the "fix the mission" requests.
Unbelievable how some ppl think playing a game is all about frustrating other players. It's a friggin game ppl not warfare! Other players are not suppose to be real-life enemies and your mission is not to make the gaming experience miserable for others. Might as well key people's cars if you that turns you on as well. Get a clue!
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Merin Ryskin
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.02 05:42:00 -
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Originally by: addiction21
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Get this through your head: it's NOT griefing. Stealing your stuff to ransom you is not griefing. Bringing down NPCs on you so I can take your loot is not griefing. Hunting you down and killing you is not griefing.
The most that would be reasonable is an aggression flag like with can theft. NOT concord intervention. Any carebear who thinks they're going to get concord protection for their profits is just a hopeless dreamer.
oh sorry doing this in .5+ space is not grifing get a clue and go hunt some people that want a fight not nop;ers that are geared toward a pve fight ot pvp. Typical pirat on the forums "Please give me a easier npc;er togank" since anyone thatknows anything knows that a pvp gear is far superior to a pve;ers gear.
I can't even count how many times I've had to say this tonight:
NON-CONSENTUAL PVP IS A FUNDAMENTAL PART OF EVE.
This has been a design principle since DAY 1. There is NO safe space. There are only varrying degrees of difficulty in harming you.
Attacking someone who doesn't want a fight is NOT griefing. Deal with it.
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.12.02 05:42:00 -
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Edited by: Samirol on 02/12/2006 05:44:02
lets take a look at this.
what is happening is that you are spawning a mission, and someone is stealing your npcs?
how is that, in any way, griefing or deserving of a flag. .5+ is safer space, not safe space. There are a couple easy solutions to this problem. Go to a different system, one that is in the backwaters.
There is a winner and there is a loser in eve and those that can't adapt, become the losers.
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Merchantigus
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Posted - 2006.12.02 05:49:00 -
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Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 05:51:44
if you are suggesting that in .5 or above concord or something defend you as they do outside of missions i see no problem. of you are suggesting it for .4 or below die? low/no sec means just that. and while you can hunt rats untill your eyes bleed this always has and unless people like you have their way always will be a pvp game. dont like it? leave. there are hundreds of carebare games out there and aside from guild wars this is all we have. we didn't ask you to come here and you won't be missed if you leave.
that said. most carebears in eve have adapted to the swing of things and have gained my respect.
whiney carebear that wants guns nurfed because they can kill people? die pls.
carebear that understands combat is a likelyhood and fits/employs tactics accordingly? welcome to eve brothers. and welcome to your new title in this blood filled land. i deem thee "Angry Bears"
both sides have to adapt or die. dont like it? dont let the door hit you.
*edit*
"Players that want to take on missions and earn their prize at the end should not have to deal with a griefer who swoops in and kills the npc boss (steals the loot) as the mission owner is busy taking care of other mission npcs"
here's a crazy frecking thought btw. stick some real guns on that puppy and blow him to hell?
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Lord Draylon
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Posted - 2006.12.02 05:53:00 -
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Originally by: Montaire
Originally by: Lord Draylon
Why punish the legit mission owners by making them use an artificial key when simply flaging griefers as they attack the mission npc's will do the trick.
As soon as a griefer attacks a mission npc then he sets off a homing beacon that brings concord down on him like a ton of bricks. Very easy to do with the eve database.
Anyone who attacks the mission npcs and who is not part of the mission owner's gang...gets flagged.
Concord doesnt worth that way. The *best* you can hope for is a kill flag. Just like can theft, Concord wont stop it but they will look the other way on some revenge.
Concord does work that way.
If you don't believe me go attack another player in .5+ space and see what happens. Or better yet try stealing their salvage.
Without these police checks the griefers would rule this game. And you would have one of the most bitter, unfriendly, rude, and immature gaming experiences on the market.
Before the "cool and mighty" hardcore (read: griefers) pvp types start flaming:
Here is a definition of "game" which Eve is:
A game is a recreational activity involving one or more players. This can be defined by A) a goal that the players try to reach, B) some set of rules that determines what the players can or can not do. Games are played primarily for entertainment or enjoyment, but may also serve an educational or simulational role.
The educational Eve has taught me that there are some ppl in this world I hope I never meet face to face (else I would bash their face in)while there are others who I have deep respect for and wish the best.
The simulational Eve has taught me that space is Big and cold.
Watching someone break the mission game mechanic (as a mission owner or not) is not enjoyable or valuable entertainment (i.e. not worth paying for).
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Merchantigus
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Posted - 2006.12.02 05:57:00 -
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The *best* you can hope for is a kill flag. Just like can theft, Concord wont stop it but they will look the other way on some revenge.
same as it is in the rest of .5 space this i would not mind at all.
"Without these police checks the griefers would rule this game. And you would have one of the most bitter, unfriendly, rude, and immature gaming experiences on the market."
Funny we have very few rules to live by compared to other games. ever try to run "missions" in contested territory on wow?
"A game is a recreational activity involving one or more players. This can be defined by A) a goal that the players try to reach."
My goal is to make people like you cry untill you leave so the rest of us can play in peace.
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Dane Hur
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.02 06:23:00 -
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Yes its griefing, but its allowed, the only fix you will get is being told to move to low sec, there you can shoot back, not that its going to help you a lot, since a PVE setup sucks for PVP and a PVP setup sucks for PVE.
Griefers the ultimate carebears, hiding behind Concord, not daring to venture out into low sec, so much for risk vs reward, anyone feel like chicken tonight?
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Merchantigus
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Posted - 2006.12.02 06:26:00 -
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if it makes the two of you feel any better i'm the reason they stay out of low sec as well  i hate carebears that want to wuss up the game but i also hate skilless noobs calling themselves pirates equally as much.
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Lord Draylon
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Posted - 2006.12.02 06:31:00 -
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Originally by: Merchantigus
Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 06:04:11
I dont even stalk people that are running missions but people with your attitude "bother me" to such an extent i might go out of my way to do it now
Unlike you, I will not quote you out of context.
Explain to me how going out of your way to stalk someone is enjoyable to the person being stalked in this game?
I have been playing this game off and on since it was in beta. I enjoy what the devs have done with this game. I understand their goals with pirate roleplaying and like the concept of no-rules 0.0 space.
I do not however enjoy the idea of paying 15 dollars a month to have someone go out of their way and break the game for me. Going against the game mechanics and breaking another player's mission in .5+ space is unacceptable and such behavior should be corrected.
Why can't people understand that Eve is not a vehicle to let out your non-sportsman-like mean-spirited frustrations on others. What's the point of playing a game if you don't want to play by the rules? It's like joining in on a friendly game of football only you decide to bring a sledgehammer and break the other player's knees with it so that you can make sure you win.
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Merchantigus
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Posted - 2006.12.02 06:42:00 -
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Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 06:44:10
"It's like joining in on a friendly game of football only you decide to bring a sledgehammer and break the other player's knees with it so that you can make sure you win."
you've perked my intrest continue :)
as i said .5+ add flagging or something. same rules apply to people harassing miners.
"if you are suggesting that in .5 or above concord or something defend you as they do outside of missions i see no problem."
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Itaro Flagg
The Priory
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.02 06:57:00 -
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You suggested we try to loot someone's wreck in high sec, and see what Concord does. Well, I'll tell you what concord does. Nothing. Nothing at all.
As a matter of fact, they do more nothing at all than usually. They go so far out of their way to do nothing, that they'll even do nothing if you decide to shoot the thief for stealing your can.
That's right, in High Security, if someone steals your loot, concord doesn't attack them. All they'll do is allow you to initiate combat without repercussions (after which, they can shoot back too), that's it.
Now, to be fair, I'm okay with someone getting kill flagged if they warp into your mission and start killing your spawns. If you spawned the mission, it's "yours" and should be able to protect it. Concord should not, in any way, protect it for you.
Thing is, whether or not you choose to have fun in Eve is, well, your choice. CCP has made Eve a world of nigh-unlimited possibilities, and hope that, as a result, you can find some way to entertain yourself in this universe of theirs.
It is a harsh world though, and CCP knows that it isn't for everyone. Hence why they have a true no-strings-attached, always open, 14 day free trial. A lot of people try out the game for free, and decide never to continue, because they just can't have fun in the world.
CCP could choose to make as many of these people have fun as possible. However, doing so might (would) require them to make changes to the game that they don't want to. CCP is not mandated by needing to try to make everyone happy. They can choose who they make happy.
If they aren't making you happy, and the "grief fest" of eve (and devs have been so very clear. No part of eve is meant to be 'safe', that won't change however much you want it to. It's part of the game--period) then perhaps it isn't the game for you, because they certainly won't be making changes like this, sacrificing the fun of many other players, to make you happy.
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar
LuthorCorp Combat Division
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Posted - 2006.12.02 06:59:00 -
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Ah but in this football game is it ok for the Team to be all set to go, walking onto the pitch and have someone run on and steal the ball ?
The man without a face...
The company without a clue.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
Ferrum Pugnus
New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.12.02 07:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Draylon
Originally by: Merchantigus
Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 06:04:11
I dont even stalk people that are running missions but people with your attitude "bother me" to such an extent i might go out of my way to do it now
Unlike you, I will not quote you out of context.
Explain to me how going out of your way to stalk someone is enjoyable to the person being stalked in this game?
I have been playing this game off and on since it was in beta. I enjoy what the devs have done with this game. I understand their goals with pirate roleplaying and like the concept of no-rules 0.0 space.
I do not however enjoy the idea of paying 15 dollars a month to have someone go out of their way and break the game for me. Going against the game mechanics and breaking another player's mission in .5+ space is unacceptable and such behavior should be corrected.
Why can't people understand that Eve is not a vehicle to let out your non-sportsman-like mean-spirited frustrations on others. What's the point of playing a game if you don't want to play by the rules? It's like joining in on a friendly game of football only you decide to bring a sledgehammer and break the other player's knees with it so that you can make sure you win.
u sir are an idiot that belongs in WOW - eve is not a PVE only game it is PVP anywhere anytime if its allowable - um dunno what to say but ill hunt u down in game and pod u a few more times to make u understand.
These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views
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Lord Draylon
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Posted - 2006.12.02 07:11:00 -
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Originally by: Gone'Postal
Ah but in this football game is it ok for the Team to be all set to go, walking onto the pitch and have someone run on and steal the ball ?
Absolutely, just don't bring a sledgehammer, a gun or a knife. Don't drive your car onto the field to make sure the other team can't stop the steal. Don't try stealing the ball BEFORE the ref has started the game.
Don't go on the field during halftime (while the other team is in the locker) kick the ball into the goal and claim a score.
Don't take steroids or other illegal drugs to ensure that you win.
etc etc etc...
Just play by the rules and intent of the game, whatever the game creators/referees have establised them to be. So that all sides can enjoy a challenging match.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
Ferrum Pugnus
New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.12.02 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Draylon
Originally by: Gone'Postal
Ah but in this football game is it ok for the Team to be all set to go, walking onto the pitch and have someone run on and steal the ball ?
Absolutely, just don't bring a sledgehammer, a gun or a knife. Don't drive your car onto the field to make sure the other team can't stop the steal. Don't try stealing the ball BEFORE the ref has started the game.
Don't go on the field during halftime (while the other team is in the locker) kick the ball into the goal and claim a score.
Don't take steroids or other illegal drugs to ensure that you win.
etc etc etc...
Just play by the rules and intent of the game, whatever the game creators/referees have establised them to be. So that all sides can enjoy a challenging match.
see in eve ( as oppsoed to no risk wow) is that dropping in and visiting mission runners and killing their rat is perfectly legal. So youre against the rules by whining so much
These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views
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Merchantigus
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Posted - 2006.12.02 07:16:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Draylon
Originally by: Gone'Postal
Ah but in this football game is it ok for the Team to be all set to go, walking onto the pitch and have someone run on and steal the ball ?
Absolutely, just don't bring a sledgehammer, a gun or a knife. Don't drive your car onto the field to make sure the other team can't stop the steal. Don't try stealing the ball BEFORE the ref has started the game.
Don't go on the field during halftime (while the other team is in the locker) kick the ball into the goal and claim a score.
Don't take steroids or other illegal drugs to ensure that you win.
etc etc etc...
Just play by the rules and intent of the game, whatever the game creators/referees have establised them to be. So that all sides can enjoy a challenging match.
Everytime you make a post i have a flashback of the fun i've had doing things like this in the past few weeks.
it's eve. the only reason there is high sec and pve content is to act as a buffer while people figure what's up and either adapt or leave(and in the start it was there because there was nothing else). if you are sitting there ratting and i chose to warp in take your phat lewts pod you and urinate on your corpse so be it. learn to fight back or leave.
I know that isn't what this post was originally about but you keep saying the same thing over and over. flagging in .5 for bapping rats/taking loot? sure. being perfectly safe anywhere in eve besides a station? when hell freezes over or iceland melts..
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
Ferrum Pugnus
New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.12.02 07:16:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Draylon
Originally by: Gone'Postal
Ah but in this football game is it ok for the Team to be all set to go, walking onto the pitch and have someone run on and steal the ball ?
Absolutely, just don't bring a sledgehammer, a gun or a knife. Don't drive your car onto the field to make sure the other team can't stop the steal. Don't try stealing the ball BEFORE the ref has started the game.
Don't go on the field during halftime (while the other team is in the locker) kick the ball into the goal and claim a score.
Don't take steroids or other illegal drugs to ensure that you win.
etc etc etc...
Just play by the rules and intent of the game, whatever the game creators/referees have establised them to be. So that all sides can enjoy a challenging match.
see in eve ( as oppsoed to no risk wow) is that dropping in and visiting mission runners and killing their rat is perfectly legal. So youre against the rules by whining so much
These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views
This is a disclaimer |
Phelaen
Under the Wings of Fury
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2006.12.02 07:17:00 -
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I think someone needs a hug
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
Ferrum Pugnus
New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.12.02 07:19:00 -
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no not a hug but some nice hot laser beams pounding on his pod = 3 more poddings should see hm back in WOW
These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views
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Jennai
The Greater Goon
The OSS
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Posted - 2006.12.02 07:20:00 -
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this seems a bit broken since having your boss loot item stolen makes it impossible to complete the mission, and you lose A LOT of standing for failing it.
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar
LuthorCorp Combat Division
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Posted - 2006.12.02 07:22:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Overlord
Originally by: Lord Draylon
Originally by: Merchantigus
Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 06:04:11
I dont even stalk people that are running missions but people with your attitude "bother me" to such an extent i might go out of my way to do it now
Unlike you, I will not quote you out of context.
Explain to me how going out of your way to stalk someone is enjoyable to the person being stalked in this game?
I have been playing this game off and on since it was in beta. I enjoy what the devs have done with this game. I understand their goals with pirate roleplaying and like the concept of no-rules 0.0 space.
I do not however enjoy the idea of paying 15 dollars a month to have someone go out of their way and break the game for me. Going against the game mechanics and breaking another player's mission in .5+ space is unacceptable and such behavior should be corrected.
Why can't people understand that Eve is not a vehicle to let out your non-sportsman-like mean-spirited frustrations on others. What's the point of playing a game if you don't want to play by the rules? It's like joining in on a friendly game of football only you decide to bring a sledgehammer and break the other player's knees with it so that you can make sure you win.
u sir are an idiot that belongs in WOW - eve is not a PVE only game it is PVP anywhere anytime if its allowable - um dunno what to say but ill hunt u down in game and pod u a few more times to make u understand.
So your going to hunt down 1 player by name and kill him a few times to force him to play how you want, to see eve how you see eve... I just lost any respect i had for you oh and to me thats harrasment.
The man without a face...
The company without a clue.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
Ferrum Pugnus
New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.12.02 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jennai
this seems a bit broken since having your boss loot item stolen makes it impossible to complete the mission, and you lose A LOT of standing for failing it.
good thing is its perfectly legal to
These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views
This is a disclaimer |
Gone'Postal
Minmatar
LuthorCorp Combat Division
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Posted - 2006.12.02 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jennai
this seems a bit broken since having your boss loot item stolen makes it impossible to complete the mission, and you lose A LOT of standing for failing it.
Nail. Head.
The man without a face...
The company without a clue.
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Merchantigus
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Posted - 2006.12.02 07:25:00 -
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Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 07:27:39
"So your going to hunt down 1 player by name and kill him a few times to force him to play how you want, to see eve how you see eve... I just lost any respect i had for you oh and to me thats harrasment."
Sure hoss that's why they put agents in the game for the sole purpose of tracking people down. you think they put these in so we could track you down and hug you?
and it's not that i care how any of you play. it's the constant whining and nerf/change this and that and gankers and pvp omg!1! and WHAAAa i constantly see everyday that makes hunting you top priority. mining corp in .0? i might harass them but it's all fun. bunghole whinning total anti pvp carebear that's been whinning on the forums? two words. fresh fish.
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar
LuthorCorp Combat Division
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Posted - 2006.12.02 07:28:00 -
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Originally by: Merchantigus
"So your going to hunt down 1 player by name and kill him a few times to force him to play how you want, to see eve how you see eve... I just lost any respect i had for you oh and to me thats harrasment."
Sure hoss that's why they put agents in the game for the sole purpose of tracking people down. you think they put these in so we could track you down and hug you?
No there ingame to track people down, but i'd think there for tracking war targets, people with bounties, not people who see the game diffrently to another player or someone you had a disagreement with on the forums.
The man without a face...
The company without a clue.
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