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Dresden Karno
Caldari Bladerunners Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2006.12.05 00:35:00 -
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Edited by: Dresden Karno on 05/12/2006 00:36:15
Quote: The question that has been asked here is simple: should a civilian entity be held liable for the actions of it's members, when aforementioned actions are in breech of the entity's own terms which will result in the ejection of said members?
Yes, it should when the failure of the organization to act in a timely manner continues hostile actions resulting in a betrayal of trust.
Quote: A suitable analogy would be the annihilation of the UN for the actions of US soldiers in Iraqi prisons!
If we are to use "ancient" history, then the proper analogy would be the "attempted" annhilation of the UN. Suicide bombers still killed foreigners regardless of the badge they wore. If you failed to read Camilo, we don't hunt down ISS, we just don't want them in Pure Blind where they pose a threat to us. We're taking the organization accountable since it has continually failed to prevent this problem. The innocent majority are being punished for a lack of acceptable standards, continued inaction, and either apathy or inability to commit resources to fix the problem.
Quote: From a logistical point of view, the threat of the ISS is minimal - not since the last Deklein conflict have the ISS been "used" as a staging point to mount an invasion. The only real danger is from subterfuge, and it's an argument of principles and morality!
Minimal? Just because a large invasion force doesn't come through every day or week, doesn't mean ships and time isn't lost. Which brings me to the most valuable part of my argument. Time. Which I will address in a minute.
Quote: Perhaps this will merely show my naivety; To my mind, the goal of the ISS is to show the territorial alliances that there is a better way to operate in 0.0, and it can be done in harmony. It should not be the duty of the ISS to quell the conflicts that arise as a result of territorial disputes, but the responsibility of said alliances to use the ISS as an olive branch to prevent them.
Yes it does show your naivety. This is an argument I had been saving for another person and another time, but Camilo, you like many others fail to see the most elemental aspect of life in 0.0. Time. The reason paramilitary groups fight for various regions of 0.0 space is to save time in the acquisition of resources. It doesn't take a mathematics professor to see that the acquisition of resources will always be limited by a time factor. If you have "richer" areas with resources, your time will be decreased. Alliances fight for said resources when ideologies conflict or they wish to compete for these resources. This is why your fluffy dreams of harmony are an inpracticality. NBSI prevents competition and is ideal in "held" regions. Sharing space for a more equitable distribution of resources would only be possible (your harmony) if the acquisition of resources by varied parties didn't have time conflicts. If you open the flood gates of 0.0 to NRDS at what point will there be a conflict of interest for you?
The reason ISS succeeds with shared space is due to the fact that ISS mines rocks and market values while others mine bounties. But if it is to capitalize on this, it shouldn't be at the cost of other people's time.
Quote: The bare truth of course is that inevitably an alliance will reach a point where they show "too much blue"; any target will do...
How dare you. Just because you fail to see the logic in an argument you decide to paint things in black and white where your opinion is holier than thou? Your logic is flawed Camilo as is your passive agressive condemnation. You might as well have decided to slap me in the face. As a former corp mate you should know my character and inherently the character of the alliance I'm in. But then again, I thought I knew you better too. Good day sir!
editted for spelling
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Jimmy Doe
Caldari Bladerunners Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2006.12.05 18:07:00 -
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Edited by: Jimmy Doe on 05/12/2006 18:09:02
Originally by: Sgt Napalm Our killboard says otherwise.
(Hint: It might be the company you keep)
what you were under the impression that just cause you attack first you should win the fight? lol youre a noob for even thinking that one. you hae attacked us repeatedly and lost your ships for it. thats all your KB will show.
and the damn word is NAIVETE`.
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Camilo Cienfuegos
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Posted - 2006.12.05 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Dresden Karno We're taking the organization accountable since it has continually failed to prevent this problem. The innocent majority are being punished for a lack of acceptable standards, continued inaction, and either apathy or inability to commit resources to fix the problem.
Every large organisation is encumbered by beurocracy - one cannot expect speed in that regard. Declaring that "this town ain't big enough for the both of us" is a solution to that? If your grievances are genuine there are other avenues available; you need only donate your time to it...
Quote: you like many others fail to see the most elemental aspect of life in 0.0. Time. The reason paramilitary groups fight for various regions of 0.0 space is to save time in the acquisition of resources. It doesn't take a mathematics professor to see that the acquisition of resources will always be limited by a time factor. If you have "richer" areas with resources, your time will be decreased. Alliances fight for said resources when ideologies conflict or they wish to compete for these resources.
...but you have made your motives and intentions crystal clear! I thought I knew you and many of your fellow pilots at least a little better than this. It pains me to say it, as indeed it is somewhat of a slap in the face, but this stinks of expansionism and appears little more than an attempt to undermine what few civilian operations are left in what was once neutral space.
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Kristoffer
Amarr Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2006.12.05 23:44:00 -
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ISS....
I applaud the Mordu's Angels for taking a stand against ISS's capitalist empire!
*goes back into his hole in the ground*
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Dresden Karno
Caldari Bladerunners Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2006.12.06 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos
Originally by: Dresden Karno We're taking the organization accountable since it has continually failed to prevent this problem. The innocent majority are being punished for a lack of acceptable standards, continued inaction, and either apathy or inability to commit resources to fix the problem.
Every large organisation is encumbered by beurocracy - one cannot expect speed in that regard. Declaring that "this town ain't big enough for the both of us" is a solution to that? If your grievances are genuine there are other avenues available; you need only donate your time to it...
Quote: you like many others fail to see the most elemental aspect of life in 0.0. Time. The reason paramilitary groups fight for various regions of 0.0 space is to save time in the acquisition of resources. It doesn't take a mathematics professor to see that the acquisition of resources will always be limited by a time factor. If you have "richer" areas with resources, your time will be decreased. Alliances fight for said resources when ideologies conflict or they wish to compete for these resources.
...but you have made your motives and intentions crystal clear! I thought I knew you and many of your fellow pilots at least a little better than this. It pains me to say it, as indeed it is somewhat of a slap in the face, but this stinks of expansionism and appears little more than an attempt to undermine what few civilian operations are left in what was once neutral space.
I must humbly apologize to you Camilo. I see now you're just remarkably ignorant. You expect us to kowtow to the great and mighty bureaucracy and give them leniency since they got too fat to deal with problems that affect others. No, I see the wisdom in giving them more time to waffle on critical issues and let my pilots die from a betrayal of trust. How could I have ever been so blind?
As for for expansionism? We are a mercenary alliance that is not sustained by mining for resources. We don't claim territory, nor do we mine for a living. Therefore, we're not in competition for resources with ISS or any other corporation in Pure Blind. But that was a very "cute" attempt to try and subjugate my words to your will.
You fail to see the point yet again. I have no issues with civilian operations in space, as long as it doesn't jeopardize other pilots. If you still can't see what my motives are let me spell it out for you.
We require action.
We're sick of being betrayed.
Question my integrity again Camilo, and I'll just see you're not man enough to admit that you're wrong. Your arguments are weak since their founded on sustaining your ego and your refusal to recognize truth. So what do you do? You wail that an atrocity is occuring to garner sympathy and support. Whereas I have neither deviated nor differentiated from what I have originally stated. I have the truth of my convictions and the integrity of my character to see this through. Do you?
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Camilo Cienfuegos
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Posted - 2006.12.06 01:25:00 -
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Quote: We are a mercenary alliance that is not sustained by mining for resources. We don't claim territory, nor do we mine for a living. Therefore, we're not in competition for resources with ISS or any other corporation in Pure Blind. But that was a very "cute" attempt to try and subjugate my words to your will.
I'm not quoting you out of context, deliberately attempting to antagonise you nor engage in any form of propoganda war, I'm merely offering you my interpretation of what you put down here.
Quote: You fail to see the point yet again. I have no issues with civilian operations in space, as long as it doesn't jeopardize other pilots.
...and you want action, I get it...
Quote: Question my integrity again Camilo, and I'll just see you're not man enough to admit that you're wrong. Your arguments are weak since their founded on sustaining your ego and your refusal to recognize truth. So what do you do? You wail that an atrocity is occuring to garner sympathy and support. Whereas I have neither deviated nor differentiated from what I have originally stated. I have the truth of my convictions and the integrity of my character to see this through. Do you?
...and you're moaning about my ego? Setting ISS to KOS will not change their recruitment policies, and I doubt it would make them less inclined to stop firing.
You want ISS out of Pure Blind: Who do you propose to take their place? Ever heard the phrase "Better the devil you know"?
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Dresden Karno
Caldari Bladerunners Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2006.12.06 05:10:00 -
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Thank you. You get it. Which is a far cry from Quote: an alliance will reach a point where they show "too much blue"; any target will do...
It's no walk in the park being a Mordus Angel and when someone questions your intentions, motives, and character you better believe it when we fight tooth, bit, and nail for our integrity. It may have not been your intention to antagonize, but essentially calling anyone a liar and you're bound to get a reaction.
As for changing ISS policies? I'm going to continue to hope and dream, but I don't want to confuse them here. Yes, right now we don't want them in our overviews due to mistrust. From what I can see, we both have bigger fish to fry, and in all likelihood they'll probably stay out of our way since everybody knows Pure Blind is one of the most minerally poor regions in 0.0. But eventually, there will come a point, whether others join us or not, where they will have to concede to the fact that what they are doing is no longer working for everyone's interests, and changes will indeed have to be made. "If there is no struggle there is no progress." So while we're in Pure Blind, we will definitely make it a struggle for them to be here.
As for who will take their place? No one. We already have new friends and allies moving up here as is. Neutrals with good references or that we have seen willing to fight pirate incursions or alliances hostile to the North. On occasion we band togther with complete strangers that are just willing to fight to keep other pilots from being ganked and fight for their home. It's just like it was when we were in New-Dawn but we're just a little older and wiser now. So why pick a devil we've always known, when there's all these cherubs waiting to sprout their wings?
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Darknesss
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.12.06 23:53:00 -
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ISS hold the station in EC for a number of reasons mainly no one else wants it. Why would they? essentially its useless.
However i do agree that alot of people are using the "omg they have spies" excuse just so they can shoot something. The north is dry of targets (except for us) it only makes sense ISS are a no strings attached target. As for our reasons for attacking POS's and war deccing etc. Well they are our own, while i admit it is fun to have some easy targets that is not the overall agenda for us. But meh we shoot everyone
P.S. ISS nice one defending your POS... 130 people i believe it was showed up to defend, was nice to see your as persistant as ever.
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Jester87
FISKL GUARDS Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.07 17:21:00 -
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pshhh ISS ftl. go MA!
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Cadman Weyland
Eternity INC.
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Posted - 2006.12.07 19:20:00 -
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As a former (however brief) ISSN pilot id say this. Ditch the outpost in EC and the baggage it brings with it. ISS should never have taken it on tbh.
Concentrate on running KDF and your outposts around it. Keep at what yer good at and keep it up.
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Manas
The Graduates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.07 19:39:00 -
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Yes, ISS Cassini in EC-P8R can be a PITA to run, but my corp likes the challenge. ISS persists there because the territorial powers have much better places to resource gather, but donĘt want another territorial power (or a pirate alliance) sitting there. I think even the pirate alliances prefer ISS to a NBSI territorial, because it increases the odds of more unaligned neutral carebear-y traffic.
ItĘs the story of many ISS systems.
TGRAD info & video here
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Darknesss
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.12.07 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: Manas
Yes, ISS Cassini in EC-P8R can be a PITA to run, but my corp likes the challenge. ISS persists there because the territorial powers have much better places to resource gather, but donĘt want another territorial power (or a pirate alliance) sitting there. I think even the pirate alliances prefer ISS to a NBSI territorial, because it increases the odds of more unaligned neutral carebear-y traffic.
ItĘs the story of many ISS systems.
untrue, i would love someone actively hostile rather than carebears. When i want easy ganks i go low sec.
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.12.08 00:50:00 -
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I've said before I think ISS would be better off without the member corps, and I still think that.
They just cause problems.
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Caledric
Amarr Spectral Armada Eternal Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.08 16:20:00 -
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ISS has never been a true neutral alliance. They are an alliance of opportunity. They claim to be neutral yet still pirate and pick on much smaller opponets. Yes I said pirate.
ISS is KOS to EE simply because they attacked us first. They killed a miner of ours in a .4 system when we first moved into the area and then ransomed his ore for 50 million (the ore was worth maybe 100k isk at best) Because of said incident and others like it (such as ISS members participating in gate camps) we have taken to the policy to not only KOS ISS but hunt them down whenever we can.
The only thing neutral about ISS is their brain activity.
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Murukan
Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.08 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Caledric ISS has never been a true neutral alliance. They are an alliance of opportunity. They claim to be neutral yet still pirate and pick on much smaller opponets. Yes I said pirate.
ISS is KOS to EE simply because they attacked us first. They killed a miner of ours in a .4 system when we first moved into the area and then ransomed his ore for 50 million (the ore was worth maybe 100k isk at best) Because of said incident and others like it (such as ISS members participating in gate camps) we have taken to the policy to not only KOS ISS but hunt them down whenever we can.
The only thing neutral about ISS is their brain activity.
i'm waiting for some fabricated evidence about how that miner was really quite hostile
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.08 22:02:00 -
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Edited by: maGz on 08/12/2006 22:02:16 It's quite funny to see the increasing amount of threads attacking the supposed neutrality of ISS. Guess the good days are over for ISS, now that more and more people are waking up...
See you soon Count. Get some balls and fight please... ____________
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Murukan
Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.08 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: maGz Edited by: maGz on 08/12/2006 22:02:16 It's quite funny to see the increasing amount of threads attacking the supposed neutrality of ISS. Guess the good days are over for ISS, now that more and more people are waking up...
See you soon Count. Get some balls and fight please...
that probably won't happen, iss' battle tactic is to try and get us banned since they lack the skills to win in a fight.
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.12.08 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 08/12/2006 22:20:29
Originally by: Caledric ISS has never been a true neutral alliance. They are an alliance of opportunity. They claim to be neutral yet still pirate and pick on much smaller opponets. Yes I said pirate.
ISS is KOS to EE simply because they attacked us first. They killed a miner of ours in a .4 system when we first moved into the area and then ransomed his ore for 50 million (the ore was worth maybe 100k isk at best) Because of said incident and others like it (such as ISS members participating in gate camps) we have taken to the policy to not only KOS ISS but hunt them down whenever we can.
The only thing neutral about ISS is their brain activity.
What utter crap.
ISS pirating indeed. Now I've heard it all. When I was in ISS, anyone caught so much looking at a neutral the wrong way was was kicked.
You can come up with whatever warped little conspiracy theories you like, but calling ISS pirates makes you look ridiculously stupid.
If you've got evidence, such as the name of the agressor and the corporation he was from, present it now, or I call you a liar.
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.08 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
What utter crap.
ISS pirating indeed. Now I've heard it all. When I was in ISS, anyone caught so much looking at a neutral the wrong way was was kicked.
You can come up with whatever warped little conspiracy theories you like, but calling ISS pirates makes you look ridiculously stupid.
If you've got evidence, such as the name of the agressor and the corporation he was from, present it now, or I call you a liar.
My eyes might be failing me but you aren't in ISS anymore are you? How would you even know how they treat neutrals atm? I know you have some or much affiliation with ISS however is it that hard to believe that you're beloved ISS are turning into the arsehats of EVE?
Oh wait! Too late... ____________
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.08 22:29:00 -
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Go mordus! About ISS, they should clean their ranks as they aren't neutral.
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Wylker
The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.09 04:19:00 -
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Look! Two threads with the same people bashing ISS! It's almost like, only these few people have a problem, and they arn't credible entities in the first place!
Oh wait, I said "almost like", when in reality thats exactly what it is.
Once again Priory is getting frustrated that the carebears have teeth and are taking it to the forums.
OP, I am not trying to minimalize your concerns. I am not in ISS management, nor am I a diplomat, so I won't pretend to speak for the alliance. Frankly as far as I can tell PB is a cluster truck :) and I have no clue as to the current situation there.
I can tell you this. Every single time since I have been in the alliance that a force that truely was willing to co-exist peacefully has been near ISS, a way has been found to make that happen. If everyone in this case was willing to wipe the slate clean, I think your goal of accomplishing what you want to and not wasting time or resources in a conflict against an organization that has no interests contrary to yours could be established.
If you do not choose to explore that option and make an effort to make it happen I would say that you are then looking for an excuse to shoot a pilots that I am sure have less skill in the ships they are flying than your own.
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Murukan
Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.09 09:48:00 -
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uhh yah you coexist "peacefully" with your neighbors. Just like you let entities seige your neighbors from their stations and manage other people's outposts when they get forcibly taken from them. Oh forgot about how you buyout other people's markets to gouge up the price. You guys are great neighbors!
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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Dresden Karno
Caldari Bladerunners Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2006.12.10 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Wylker
Frankly as far as I can tell PB is a cluster truck :)
Yes, it can be. Near as I can tell, it always will.
Originally by: Wylker
I can tell you this. Every single time since I have been in the alliance that a force that truely was willing to co-exist peacefully has been near ISS, a way has been found to make that happen.
Yes, a way does need to be found. It should be addressed by a diplomat or ISS management team. Since I have yet to be contacted or publicly addressed here, it seems to me that it is not a major concern of theirs whether or not their pilots die. Which, if I recall my affiliations with ISS over a year ago, they have no qualms with pilots dieing as long as business continues to run smoothly and they have already taken those corporations membership fees. Irregardless, if this does become a pressing concern, I suggest any pilot that find us podding them a nuisance, to take it up with their regional diplomat or management representative.
Quote: If everyone in this case was willing to wipe the slate clean, I think your goal of accomplishing what you want to and not wasting time or resources in a conflict against an organization that has no interests contrary to yours could be established.
What I'd like to see happen is for ISS to take a more active stance on my previous grievances. Since neither action nor dialogue has been brought to my attention, I feel it safe to attribute it to either apathy or ignorance. In the case of ignorance, I feel that I have delineated my point here and to an ISS diplomat, so it is merely a matter of time before it is addressed by the higher ups. In the case of apathy, it will also only be a matter of time before enough losses on their part is indicative of taking action.
Quote: If you do not choose to explore that option and make an effort to make it happen I would say that you are then looking for an excuse to shoot a pilots that I am sure have less skill in the ships they are flying than your own.
Every time I hear the tinge of indignation coupled with the accusation that my pilots are looking for an excuse to shoot someone I do my best to remind myself that some people are remarkably ignorant or fantastic spin control artists.
Let me repeat myself once again. ISS pilots jeopardize the safety of my pilots due to general mistrust of ISS. I want actions to be taken to insure the integrity of ISS pilots, and until that time we don't want to see them in Pure Blind. The loss of ISS pilots and commerce in Pure Blind will eventually lead to management action....in theory. But like I said, management decisions in the past have yet to leave me feeling warm and fuzzy about it.
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FowlPlayChiken
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.10 21:24:00 -
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Edited by: FowlPlayChiken on 10/12/2006 21:27:03 wait, your mercenaries?
and your alienating your (possibly) largest potential client base?
oook then. bawk:-p
p.s. glad i diddnt reccomend you to any clients. would have made me look a fool.
although I have recently reccomended some people to FOFF corporation and executive outcomes. I wonder how they are doing? (OT)
Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
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MrRogerz
The Neighborhood
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Posted - 2006.12.13 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dresden Karno At this moment, I'm going to speak for myself and not for my alliance. Spoony and Maud' Dib, your indignation though while passionate as most Galnet posts, it is also unnecessary and ridiculous. Your ignorance of your own alliance further supports my point, and your "spin" on the situation whether intentional or not, doesn't detract from the failure of ISS to take responsibilty for it's actions.
Leffe, to address your polite inquiry, ISS is a large organization that is currently unable to take into account the actions of all of it's members. Stated by one of your own members, "certain individuals can make life hard for the rest of [you]". These individuals become members of ISS since it allows them to be the proverbial "fly on the wall". In addition to declaring friendly relations in their bio with hostile alliances (that love to gank haulers!), this poses as a direct threat to the well being of our pilots. Though in the defense of ISS, I know this problem is being worked on and people and corporations are being "weeded out".
Now this bring us to the matter at hand. What do you think it would take for an alliance of 1865 members to investigate it's own members, change it's recruitment policies, and make restitution for losses incurred due to their pilots? I know, nothing. There would be the loss of revenue by diverting resources to investigation, the ISK loss would be staggering if they were to make restitution, and a change in policy might mean more work and resources lost.
I know ISS is trying to change all of that, I don't know of any corporation or alliance that is willing to concede that. But what I want to know is, "how much are they wanting to change"? We have much more important people to be shooting, but this is a matter that needs to be attended to on our home turf. We're not actively looking for ISS, but they are certainly not welcome in Pure Blind anymore. At least not until some major changes have been made. The question is, does ISS even really care and will it just be "back to business as usual"?
Leffe, I don't recall if MC Cubed was part of ISS last year, but if it was, you know what I'm talking about.
dude you're ****ing retarded......it costs isk to investigate? wtf, you think this is real life politics or something you dumb ****
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Halafian
The Graduates
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Posted - 2006.12.13 05:18:00 -
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As far as EC-P8R is concerned Mordus Angels is misinformed. Actually, as far as I can see, pretty much *anywhere* the OP's complaints are without foundation, which the killboards suggest. The evidence from them (both even) is that MA aggressed both first, most, and most nearly everywhere. But I live in EC every single day and have for months, so prefer to speak from personal experience there - and there, the problem has certainly never been TGRADs or ISS.
Mordus Angel's member Jimmy Dye's statements about EC-P8R and ISS are false, and should be retracted.
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Sienis
The Flying Daggers Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.13 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Murukan
that probably won't happen, iss' battle tactic is to try and get us banned since they lack the skills to win in a fight.
noone tries to get you guys banned. and at least we dont lack the skill to behave and treat others with respect. ;)
Originally by: maGz Edited by: maGz on 08/12/2006 22:02:16 It's quite funny to see the increasing amount of threads attacking the supposed neutrality of ISS. Guess the good days are over for ISS, now that more and more people are waking up...
See you soon Count. Get some balls and fight please...
aah seriously.... i like u guys, magz and murukan... u always make me laugh. its a pleasure to read your smacktalk while sitting in boring lectures ;)
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Taikun
Gallente Reaver Academy
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Posted - 2006.12.13 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: maGz How would you even know how they treat neutrals atm?
Well I could enlighten folks about this question.
As a ex-ISS navy fighter I can tell you how they treated me 2 days ago.
I was basically given the bum rush out of ISS space when I flew back down to pick up some gear.
I was given, and I quote "you have 30 seconds to leave the zone before we destroy you", and given a few shots into shields to emphasise their point.
Months of ISSN service got me the great big "F" and "U" when I asked in local if I could get station access to pick up my stuff.
Any neutrals (from my recent experience) in ISS space risk getting blown away first and questions asked later if you ask me. Thats is a FAR cry from the way we operated when I was flying with them 4 months ago.
Despite an open ended offer to rejoin the ISSN when I came back to EvE, I have decided to write off all my gear down there as lost forever due to their current "welcoming" attitude towards neutrals in ISS space.
OH... after saying all that... I still think most of this crap with the ISS is opportunistic pirates looking for an excuse to start sh*t with ISS for something to do. It was like that 4 months ago... and it is like that today. Only... ISS is starting to bite back harder than they ever did.
Let the games begin.
Taikun
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Caesium
Amarr Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.13 17:29:00 -
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Taikun:
You entered C3-, the Calico system. Being ex ISSN you should have been fully aware of the security that system has and the policy it has due to it being in LV space. No one from ISSN could confirm if you were allowed to be there. We were unable to determine if you were kicked from ISSN or left peacefully or what.
As such the policies for the system were followed and you were told to leave. We did tell you to speak to James, Count or an ISSN commander.
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[ 2006.12.11 23:56:23 ] Vulture Virtue > taikun, as llucan said, IAC has decleared war on us, we are now super wary of neutrals [ 2006.12.11 23:56:25 ] Leo Balthur > and this is private lv space, Taikun plz evemail james lyrus [ 2006.12.11 23:56:46 ] Taikun > Thank you Leo... that is what I was after. Cheers [ 2006.12.11 23:56:52 ] Leo Balthur > n/p [ 2006.12.11 23:56:53 ] Vulture Virtue > taikun, at this time, you must leave this space or you will be shot [ 2006.12.11 23:56:55 ] Leo Balthur > see you [ 2006.12.11 23:57:02 ] Vulture Virtue > feel free to contact james lyrus as leo says [ 2006.12.11 23:58:50 ] Vulture Virtue > taikun, you have 30 seconds to leave system, or you will be considered hostile [ 2006.12.11 23:59:14 ] Vulture Virtue > leave via qrbn and out 4p4 [ 2006.12.11 23:59:20 ] Taikun > Blow me... geeze uptight MOFO.... first day back and you're all spaz
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Edited by: Taikun on 14/12/2006 00:02:17 Edited by: Taikun on 13/12/2006 22:48:41 Edited by: Taikun on 13/12/2006 22:32:56 Yea you did tell you to speak to James. AFTER I explained myself and requested a name to contact get get access 4 times.
Also, during your polite "request" for me to leave my shields were depleting due to you jack-wholes firing at me while I was in a private conversation with somebody in zone about getting my junk out of the station.
Be assured that that I won't shed a tear if THAT system and those in it get incinerated in this war. ISS has (or had) a no shoot first policy when I was there and you fools deserve to get your tails roasted and served on a platter.
The rest of ISS will give as good as they get and good on em. You guys.. lets just say I hope you just take it but hard.
As for any neutrals considering ISS space... until people like the above are no longer kingpin of the sandbox... avoid it. All they want to do is measure their collective probes against yours. I for one want little to do with goobs like that.
This says it all:
[ 2006.12.11 23:56:23 ] Vulture Virtue > taikun, as llucan said, IAC has decleared war on us, we are now super wary of neutrals
Avoid ISS space if your neutral and they don't "know you". ISS space is basically closed.
Taikun
[Edits for spelling bleh]
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