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Winters Chill
Amarr
Scavenger Technologies
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Posted - 2007.01.16 02:21:00 -
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Edited by: Winters Chill on 16/01/2007 02:18:33
 Originally by: Kaeten
ISS pose as much threat as a paper bag. Can't wait to see what happens when they loose all of their stations.
Exactly! ISS pose no threat. But you people keep provoking them to try and attempt to make them a threat so you can say I told you so.
If ISS gets harrassed into oblivion what will happen?
Nothing...
They'll be alot of empty stations not making any money in Deepspace. As it is unlikely that the kind of people who capture the stations will allow anyone near them to trade and perform legitimate business.
Ironic no?
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Midiana
Nexus Legion
NxT LeveL
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:02:00 -
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My biggest "concern" with ISS is the neutrality policy.
How is the north every going to be any safer when the access point is a station system with a large bunch of "pls come in and have a pop at us all" Neutrals roaming about.
The mere fact that they let hostiles through and up north makes them a valid target.
I personally salute D2 for their work to make the north a safer place.
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Franga
Caldari
ClanKillers
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:49:00 -
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ISS have never been neutral. During a few campaigns to the south previous to this whole debacle at EC-PR8 we had ISS scouting around near our camps and squads warning anyone that would listen about our activities. Is that really neutral?
Add to that the fact that ISS has become a cash cow for those at the top. As most of these kind of things end up being and also that ISS is just a little too unwieldy to manage. As most of these kind of things end up being. ISS tried to do to many things at once and never did any of them well. Most people end up despising you for that rather then respecting that you had a go.
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Xander Magnus
Caldari
Wolf Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.01.17 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: Franga
ISS tried to do to many things at once and never did any of them well.
I look at all the build outposts and the fact that many people in EVE were able to set their first steps into 0.0 thanks to ISS and I cannot help but shake my head at your comment.
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Algey
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.17 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Franga
ISS have never been neutral. During a few campaigns to the south previous to this whole debacle at EC-PR8 we had ISS scouting around near our camps and squads warning anyone that would listen about our activities. Is that really neutral?
Add to that the fact that ISS has become a cash cow for those at the top. As most of these kind of things end up being and also that ISS is just a little too unwieldy to manage. As most of these kind of things end up being. ISS tried to do to many things at once and never did any of them well. Most people end up despising you for that rather then respecting that you had a go.
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Franga
Caldari
ClanKillers
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.17 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Xander Magnus
I look at all the build outposts and the fact that many people in EVE were able to set their first steps into 0.0 thanks to ISS and I cannot help but shake my head at your comment.
The last post was free of charge but I may just start demanding payment with posts like that ...
How on earth was it only due to ISS and their efforts? Is that the only alliance accepting applications? 
And to the ISS guy above ... yeah, of course we reported on your movements and the like. We've never claimed neutrality - it's not against our policy to do so. 
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Algey
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.18 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Franga
Originally by: Xander Magnus
I look at all the build outposts and the fact that many people in EVE were able to set their first steps into 0.0 thanks to ISS and I cannot help but shake my head at your comment.
The last post was free of charge but I may just start demanding payment with posts like that ...
How on earth was it only due to ISS and their efforts? Is that the only alliance accepting applications?
And to the ISS guy above ... yeah, of course we reported on your movements and the like. We've never claimed neutrality - it's not against our policy to do so.
You weren't neutral at the time, we were mutual blue.
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Xander Magnus
Caldari
Wolf Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.01.18 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Franga
How on earth was it only due to ISS and their efforts? Is that the only alliance accepting applications?
Do you see me say it's ONLY due to ISS? Comprehensive reading..
Originally by: Franga
And to the ISS guy above ... yeah, of course we reported on your movements and the like. We've never claimed neutrality - it's not against our policy to do so.
And the truth will set you free.
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D'onryu Shoqui
Vengeance of the Fallen
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.18 11:42:00 -
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You're all just targetting a god damn neutral alliance and the easiest targets. Go fight a proper PVP alliance lol.
they were so neutral they did gate camps in 0sht and u-q. makes me wonder why everyone down that way decided to gang bang them. 
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Franga
Caldari
ClanKillers
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.18 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: Franga on 18/01/2007 15:21:38
Edited by: Franga on 18/01/2007 15:21:02
Originally by: Algey
You weren't neutral at the time, we were mutual blue.
And that changes what? Of course we're gonna make sure that the thing that it is inhibiting us is gotten rid of if at all possible, particularly when that thing wasn't supposed to be doing what it was doing in the first place.
Ahhh ... read that a few times within the context of this thread and you'll eventually see that it makes sense. 
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Crozon
Crozon Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.19 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Franga
Of course we're gonna make sure that the thing that it is inhibiting us is gotten rid of if at all possible, particularly when that thing wasn't supposed to be doing what it was doing in the first place.
My brain is still trying to make sense of that. So, when D2 pass on intel about mutual blues to their allies it's ok, but when a rogue corp of ISS does the same (and gets kicked from the alliance as a result), it's not.
Let's be fair, Trust loses an outpost to BoB/Ascn, ISS are appointed as caretakers of said outpost, paying Trust (with their agreement), as part of a public IPO. Trust reform as D2.
Out of a sense of vengeance, D2 attack ISS, not BoB. ISS weren't responsible for Trust/D2's loss of EC, and were there by their agreement, however, ISS is a soft teddy bear compared to BoB. So now, D2 can't be blamed for taking on the easier foe; in fact they could be commended, for a very smart, strategical move. What they have accomplished is to take an asset that belongs to the galaxy's population at large.
Everyone seems to put ISS on a huge moral pedestal, expecting them to somehow be immune from the problems that plague other alliances (rogue members etc), simply because they claimed neutrality. When, in fact, they have been the most adaptive of alliances. What other group would have changed their core principles as a result of constructive criticisms of others? None!
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