There's not a whole lot I can respond to with a question like this. I say we're focused on bots and that courier bots are a part of the problem, then you say we're ignoring it. All I can do is say that we're not, though it may take some time for massive results to be evident. I can also say that having haulers killed in a system isn't necessarily an indicator of bot-related activity.

In reply to what is being said in some of the bots/macro forums.

Mostly its people who use these bots saying that threads like these are fail and that we do not understand how they are helping the economics of the game and that eve would fail if the use of bots was stopped.

I'm not sure what the guide lines are for actually mentioning the names of these bots so I will go ahead anyway and I am sure CCP will let me know if it is not allowed :)

Roidripper is no longer available for download.

The last ETA was a few days.

The admin/dev of the program called Daredevil comes across quite confident that nothing that is done will stop bots.

As for the TinyMiners forums, other then people saying how great it is not much on there to be honest.

EvE-Bot forum, again not much being said there either.

The general feel appears to be that CCP does not care about botters and that so long as you find a quiet area you will never be bothered.

What many of these people who use bots do not realise is that they all require you to run eve in a certain way, i.e windowed mode, certain general and graphic settings, having your in game windows configured in a certain way etc etc.

I imagine that all these settings are recorded somewhere and accessible to CCP.

Also I must say I love the idea that if you are caught botting that a overlay will appear on your avatar for the duration of your ban so people will know what a loser you are :)

I has looking at the "hello world" example of eve client code injection, and to me it look like you are deploying the python compiler/parser with the eve client. Is there any reason why you don't deploy you python scripts as intermediate bytecode, and remove the parser/compiler from the deployed version of your python system?

While it's not impossible to write bots in python bytecode it would be a lot more time consuming.

Is there a status update on the "Report Bot" functionality and feedback processes? Has the process been created but the software modifications necessary haven't been made yet? Is the process still being created?

We're not going to come out the gate and shut down every single program on day one. That roidripper was targeted was not an accident. Were my primary business to deliver a product I'd appear confident in it as well. I'm confident we'll solve the problem. v0v

Regarding the economy... I believe that bots have a negative impact on the economy so there it is. Looking for moral equivalency is pretty silly in the face of a big giant EULA they've all agreed to.

I wasn't having a go and I apologise if my post came across that way.

I know how difficult of a job it is to stop these guys and I hope that in the coming months you give these guys a damn good spanking :)

We'll have an official response on that in the next two weeks or so, probably in the form of a blog.

Haulers killed in a system while being ****-fit and carrying mission loot is an indicator. :P Normal haulers tend to be fit properly.

You can also see the same player corps or NPC corps being the only ones being killed. They all use t1 gear as well for the most part. This is a large statistical anomaly you can't deny :P

your logic is seriously flawed....

All I can say about this at the moment is that it's an intriguing idea that has a lot of pros and cons.

How so?

You are assuming that people that are not bots do not fit their haulers stupid, or keep going out of station in a hauler and getting killed. The truth is that people can be very stupid.

I can also say that having haulers killed in a system isn't necessarily an indicator of bot-related activity.

Good stuff :) thats what i like to hear. By the way if they do get banned from being used maybe ccp could incorporate the function of positioning clients in one screen or multiple screens in a certain grid like these programs do thats the most usefull function for them in my opinion.

How so?

Screegs --

Would you be able to elaborate on your views of the cons of the bot flagging of profile images?

Not right this moment but I'll be happy to have the discussion at a later date.

Wouldn't putting such a tag on a player's avatar violate CCP's own policy of not disclosing or discussing/elaborating why accounts where banned?

If you need to be instructed on why your logic is flawed, then the explanation will probably only boggle your simple mind even more so.

Take a step back, read what you said, and then think in a closed room with no distractions so that you can concentrate.

I think the discussion is more around whether allowing people to multibox isn't an unfair advantage rather than whether we think the software is malicious.

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Haulers getting killed no, but I've seen the types of systems he's talking about. Non stop haulers, back and forth from a mission hub, fail fit with nothing but mission items. And I mean non stop, if you kill the ship, they continue on in a pod, they just keep coming and going, knowing (well, if there was a person there they would know) that there is a gate camp -right there-. Go to the systems and watch them, get a player or two to sit there and kill them and just watch them keep going. You don't need metrics or complicated software to see that there's nobody behind the controls. That's why players are frustrated after all this time.

I do feel like you guys are finally picking up the ball on botting, and as I understand it, you haven't been in charge of this specific area for long, but previous statements by CCP, and then what players construe as a clear lack of action has left you in a tight spot. People don't and won't trust you unless they see results and clear action. Do us a favor though, you say that it may take some time for massive results to become evident. Show us these. In a month or two come back and point to that system and say "see? We found the program that was running courier bots and close that one", show us the figures on how many bots have been banned, how many programs aren't working. PLEASE show me that and tell us all how wrong we were! I know you can't give details and specifics, but until the players see this, we will continue to be skeptical.



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I think the discussion is more around whether allowing people to multibox isn't an unfair advantage rather than whether we think the software is malicious.