So, do you guys still want me to continue updating you all on the activities of the bot forums? I'm not gonna lie, it was fun.

I might have to make my own thread though...up to you, Sreegs.

There are a few ways that you can be 'hacked' from a pure 100% programming/security Point of view.

1. You give your username and password to some one else - This can be through phishing mail or whatever.. but your at fault for not double checking where you where putting your details into.
2. Keyloggers, Trojans, Virus's etc etc - Again where oh where have you been that you shouldn't have been and why oh why ain't your virus software up to date?
3. Brute force attack - Ok this is technically not your fault, sorry those who think it is but it's not.. a brute force attack simply runs through both a dictionary attack followed by random number and random letter attacks.. starting at the lower limit of the number set by the person running the BF attack (typically 4 - 6 characters) and ending at the largest (typically 10 - 12) however these attacks typically become rather obvious and should be noticed by the server side protection software.. I mean if you can't get your password right after the 50th time somethings up right?
4. Security leak at the Opposit end - This means a Leak at CCP's end in this case.. and honestly it's not exacty unheard of with CCP now is it? (Sorry Screegs no offense meant) CCP has had it's bad sheep, we have had Dev's who break rules to help people in game, we have obviously had Dev's who leaked entire source code releases.. and there is always the chance a dev could steal the authentication database.. or that CCP itself could be hacked or whatever.


Now there are a few ways to protect against hacking:

1. Change your password every few weeks/months - This means that your password isn't always the same and can stop those who tend to wait a time to use the data they have mined off you.
2. Make your password more complicated - this means using a mixture of UPPERCASE, lowercase and numeric characters, eg E424b8A7g9 <---- this would be an example of a randomly generated password that is not the easiest to hack, the reason being that it has all 3 of the items listed.. if eve supported non alpha/numeric characters i'd even suggest adding thoses ie #24A43%32nn13 etc.
3. Add an extra layer of authentication to the account:- in the form of a randomly generated number sequence that changes based on time/date etc where the serial number is tied into your account at the server level.. This is better known as an Authenticator and most already know how they work.. not only do you enter your user name and password but you also enter a number generated by the keychain fob or the iphone app etc with out this you can't authenticate.
4. The most basic one.. Keep your damned virus software up to date. Even the free software antivirus packages are good for basic protection AVG, Microsofts programs etc all can pick up most of the common trojans, paid antivirus tends to include a better overall protection package.
5. as with your virus protection keep your OS updated. - You may not realise it but Microsoft and Apple don't release all those 'updates' just to make your bandwidth cry. They are put out to address security issues and other bugs in the software.. with out them you are leaving your system open to attacks.

Now I could go on but lets face it CCP has a long ass list up on all of this.. but it's a reminder that not all 'hacks' are based on the end user.. some are just well.. bad luck.

i think you should keep it up.

also, can we get this thread stickied please? i would hate for it to drop off the front page and end up buried

So, do you guys still want me to continue updating you all on the activities of the bot forums? I'm not gonna lie, it was fun.

I might have to make my own thread though...up to you, Sreegs.

CCP Sreegs referenced your thread at the top of this new one, so I think that means you are invited to post bot war reports here. Im posting my market survey info here (looking for effects on the market from bot bans).

Edit: Also, Sreegs is referencing the bots by name, so I do not think you need to hide them, unless you want to.
CCP Sreegs: Maybe this thread needs:

Links to all the security related dev blogs added to your initial post (the original unholy rage, your phishing blog, the protect your accounts blog, etc)
To be made sticky.

Why being so harsh in botting?

Why not just releasing official bots that allows people to AFK mining,ratting , courier missioning, doing PI and market?

They are just very likely to be "bot works" with the technology in New Aden.

And also, it is weird to allow people to have a repetitive action for long (legally, not using macros). Either mechanically or manually by other players, the repetitive actions should be able to exist. It is a basic requirement for a real game and people are not paying to be a wool-factory worker.

You missed one of the most common which is reusing credentials on multiple sites. I'm pretty sure by now we all know that corp and alliance forums get hacked pretty regularly. If you use the same username and password there as you do on your EVE account that's a giant risk.

Just one more reason why you should hurry up and make two factor authentication accessible to everyone :)

Damn CCP Sreegs, you are being vary active on the forum, more so then others. How are you able to do this between researching bots/malware and CCP related work.

Will isk obtained from killing, harassing, ransoming, or even being paid to go away from a high activity system be subject to deletion if it turns out the residents of that system were violating the game EULA to allow such a high level of activity?

TL/DR:
I want to harass easy targets to earn isk, if they are bots do I lose my isk?

Also, is there any way to send you beer or food as a token of appreciation for the work you are doing when it finally fixes this game?

In reply to what is being said in some of the bots/macro forums.

Mostly its people who use these bots saying that threads like these are fail and that we do not understand how they are helping the economics of the game and that eve would fail if the use of bots was stopped.

I'm not sure what the guide lines are for actually mentioning the names of these bots so I will go ahead anyway and I am sure CCP will let me know if it is not allowed :)

Roidripper is no longer available for download.

The last ETA was a few days.

The admin/dev of the program called Daredevil comes across quite confident that nothing that is done will stop bots.

As for the TinyMiners forums, other then people saying how great it is not much on there to be honest.

EvE-Bot forum, again not much being said there either.

The general feel appears to be that CCP does not care about botters and that so long as you find a quiet area you will never be bothered.

What many of these people who use bots do not realise is that they all require you to run eve in a certain way, i.e windowed mode, certain general and graphic settings, having your in game windows configured in a certain way etc etc.

I imagine that all these settings are recorded somewhere and accessible to CCP.

Also I must say I love the idea that if you are caught botting that a overlay will appear on your avatar for the duration of your ban so people will know what a loser you are :)

No sense debating the system.

Because we prefer to have people who can be social playing our game which is at its core a social game. Whether one believes certain actions SHOULD be able to exist, the agreement everyone enters into when they agree to the EULA states that they won't. I may think murder's pretty awesome but if I do it I go to jail. No sense debating the system.

Ok, here's a ridiculously better question. Why are courier bots in low sec being rampantly ignored?
Here's an example: http://eve-kill.net/?a=system_detail&sys_id=2560 and some more specific km whoring example http://kb.pleaseignore.com/?a=system_detail&sys_id=2560
(You need to copy and paste the URLs above because it seems somebody broke the url handler for the redirect and html entified the ampersands like a boss).


Having that many haulers being killed in a system is EXTREMELY abnormal. A large chunk is NPC corps and their cargo contains mission items.

They should simply prohibit character transfers if the account was flagged for botting. Even if it was just the first offense.

You missed one of the most common which is reusing credentials on multiple sites. I'm pretty sure by now we all know that corp and alliance forums get hacked pretty regularly. If you use the same username and password there as you do on your EVE account that's a giant risk.

At the moment you can purchase 2.5bil isk for -ú47.14 / $73.54 from one of the biggest RMT merchants.