when do we get the report bot button I suspect a few bots but not bothered to petiton them yet due to waiting for this button.

I think the discussion is more around whether allowing people to multibox isn't an unfair advantage rather than whether we think the software is malicious.

Another fun topic of discussion bots in null and the russians knowlingly recruiting them.

Heres a screenshot from a forum where it was being done
http://i.imgur.com/YrglP.png
(Mind you I removed all styling from the page and it's only the content visible :P)

This one in particular is a renter alliance of xxdeath

Not sure I understand this comment, are you saying that it's possible that running multiple clients would be frowned upon at some point?

Not sure I understand this comment, are you saying that it's possible that running multiple clients would be frowned upon at some point?

My take is that it's assisted multiboxing using synergy, etc. that is being looked at not just running two clients.

Ya i think he meant multi accounts when used in combination with those programs. Lol i was too slow ^ ^

I'm referring to it specifically in the context of using software to allow you to control multiple clients at the same time.

Ya i think he meant multi accounts when used in combination with those programs. Lol i was too slow ^ ^

I actually think he means controlling more than one client at the same time using a singular control gesture. CCP need to be carefull when drawing the fine line as i guess most people are using synergy etc as a simple KVM switch and nothing more?

To some extent yeah, most people use it to bind specific keys to be sent to another client, I use my gkeys to send commands to my laptop for playing EQ2, and can't imagine going back to the days of keeping one hand on my laptop keyboard and the other clicking furiously on my desktop to box in EQ2.

Not just that, i use synergy at work as i have 2 pcs on the one desk. When i can get away with it, i'll fire up an EVE client on ONE of the pcs. At this point, i'm using synergy to control the client but its only a single client. What would CCP do about that scenario? It gets tricky.

I think the discussion is more around whether allowing people to multibox isn't an unfair advantage rather than whether we think the software is malicious.

Good god, I hope not.

We can always debate whether multibox / multiaccount (who uses multiple machines, really) is "fair".

But programs that "assist" in running multiple accounts, do in superhuman ways enhance the amount of chars one can control.
You can control a higher count, than doing it manually.
You can can do it faster, than doing it manually.
You can do it more efficiently, than doing it manually.
You can do it longer, than doing in manually.

Where is the line going to be drawn?
One guy running a 10man mining fleet of his own (low attention, "parallel" action)
while also running a pair of tengus farming anoms (where most of his attention will be)
and having a freighter pilot or 2 running stuff in hisec (ultra low attention)
and bashing a pos with a couple dozen battleships and dreads. (low attention, "parallel" action)
total maybe 36acc.
It may be exaggerating now, but technology is moving towards being able to run more and more clients on a given number of computers and input multiplying alone can hypothetically scale those 4 simultaneous jobs up to any number, without even going into true bot territory.
After all, they are all highly dependent on human input. It just happens to be like a drillseargant shouting instructions to a couple of platoons. Or like the relation between a botnet server and its army of zobies ready to spam/ddos on demand.

Good god, I hope not.

We can always debate whether multibox / multiaccount (who uses multiple machines, really) is "fair".

But programs that "assist" in running multiple accounts, do in superhuman ways enhance the amount of chars one can control.
You can control a higher count, than doing it manually.
You can can do it faster, than doing it manually.
You can do it more efficiently, than doing it manually.
You can do it longer, than doing in manually.

Where is the line going to be drawn?
One guy running a 10man mining fleet of his own (low attention, "parallel" action)
while also running a pair of tengus farming anoms (where most of his attention will be)
and having a freighter pilot or 2 running stuff in hisec (ultra low attention)
and bashing a pos with a couple dozen battleships and dreads. (low attention, "parallel" action)
total maybe 36acc.
It may be exaggerating now, but technology is moving towards being able to run more and more clients on a given number of computers and input multiplying alone can hypothetically scale those 4 simultaneous jobs up to any number, without even going into true bot territory.
After all, they are all highly dependent on human input. It just happens to be like a drillseargant shouting instructions to a couple of platoons. Or like the relation between a botnet server and its army of zobies ready to spam/ddos on demand.

It's a catch-22 to try to ban only specific uses of an application. In you're case, i'm not sure the bot-detection algorithm would be able to tell what is running on the other Synergy clone to indicate that you aren't having 4 multiboxed Arty thrashers ganking someone as opposed to at work running just a single client. I think it would have to be all or nothing. (I don't use Synergy so I don't really know what the application CAN do versus what it tends to be USED to do)

At work Synergy emulates a hardware KVM switch that would otherwise cost money. Whats CCP's stance on KVM switches then?

I am going to claim ignorance on what Synergy can do since I have never used it. I would think a KVM switch would be fine because there is no duplication of inputs.

Thats what i'm hoping too. CCP? Screegs?

At the end of the day i'd rather not have to pay but KVM switches are relatively cheap.

@ CCP Sreegs

Can you please update your first post with link to the main botting thread on old forum so that ppl have direct link on history of this problem...

Not cheap at all when your input's are USB and vid is DVI or HDMI.

Being able to use my laptop and desktop both with a single kb/mouse is the only reason I pay for 3 accounts instead of 2, or 1 even. I would readily cease payment and go buy that Ducati I've had my eye on for a few years.