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Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 62	Posted - 2015.07.31 05:06:32 - [1] - Quote I propose to bring level 5 missions to high sec. Why? Well it will give Marauders something to do besides yawning through Level 4 missions. As it is hardly anyone does level 5's because it's simply not worth the risk to bring a capable ship to low sec so wouldn't it be better to just bring them to Hi-Sec with increase difficulty? I wouldn't mind if they increase the difficulty to the point that it would require 2 Marauders or 4 faction BSs to complete them. It would also give pilots a reason to fleet up to run missions. Also to keep them from being ignored as they currently are as LP for the major Empires suck, I propose they increase the bounties and loot in these missions.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor 5806	Posted - 2015.07.31 07:26:24 - [2] - Quote Just because you don't want to take your marauder to lowsec doesn't mean nobody runs L5 missions. We already have high-difficulty PVE in hisec called Incursions. Day 0 Advice for New Players
Zappity WiNGSPAN Delivery Services 2408	Posted - 2015.07.31 07:43:05 - [3] - Quote Loads of people run them in carriers. Here's a guide from reddit: www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/3f3ed6/level_5_mission_guide/ Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 62	Posted - 2015.07.31 07:53:50 - [4] - Quote Mara Rinn wrote: Just because you don't want to take your marauder to lowsec doesn't mean nobody runs L5 missions. We already have high-difficulty PVE in hisec called Incursions. That require groups of 12. I'm talking about for 2 or 3 individuals. And not everyone have to tolerates to listen to drunkards babbling about personal issues on comms like it's some mid-life crysis hotline.
Janeway84 Def Squadron Pride Before Fall 173	Posted - 2015.07.31 12:41:30 - [5] - Quote Daniela Doran wrote: Mara Rinn wrote: Just because you don't want to take your marauder to lowsec doesn't mean nobody runs L5 missions. We already have high-difficulty PVE in hisec called Incursions. That require groups of 12. I'm talking about for 2 or 3 individuals. And not everyone have the tolerates to listen to drunkards babbling about personal issues on comms like it's some mid-life crisis hotline. But thats a feature with eve!
Civ Kado Dutch East Querious Company Phoebe Freeport Republic 92	Posted - 2015.07.31 14:00:28 - [6] - Quote You're dumb.
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 668	Posted - 2015.07.31 14:48:46 - [7] - Quote No. Just because you can't be bothered to do them in lowsec, does not mean they should be moved back to hisec. Too much easy isk in hisec as it is.
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1315	Posted - 2015.07.31 15:14:31 - [8] - Quote No EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Cupcake1980 Mernher Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 0	Posted - 2015.07.31 17:04:57 - [9] - Quote I run Level 5s, solo, in a Rattlesnake. No groups of 12, no carriers, although I have 1 to do the ungated ones and you just have to be prepared to take the risk of flying a capable ship in low sec. Either that or as someone said, go collect isk farming incursions but don't complain that they need took to high sec because you're scared to take a ship.
FT Diomedes The Graduates Get Off My Lawn 1441	Posted - 2015.07.31 17:50:32 - [10] - Quote As someone who used to run Level 5 missions in High Sec, back when it was possible, I have to tell you that it is no more exciting than running Level 4 missions in High Sec. The excitement comes from being hunted by your fellow man, not from NPC's. Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here? I'm stubborn.

Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 2360	Posted - 2015.07.31 19:22:07 - [11] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: No I'd say that sums it up nicely.
Barrogh Habalu Forever Winter Absolute Zero. 976	Posted - 2015.07.31 20:54:23 - [12] - Quote Cupcake1980 Mernher wrote: I run Level 5s, solo, in a Rattlesnake. No groups of 12, no carriers, although I have 1 to do the ungated ones and you just have to be prepared to take the risk of flying a capable ship in low sec. Either that or as someone said, go collect isk farming incursions but don't complain that they need took to high sec because you're scared to take a ship. Does that nets significantly more than farming L4s solo efficiently though? Also note that higher security status means significantly less SP/ISK. Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Zappity WiNGSPAN Delivery Services 2410	Posted - 2015.07.31 21:16:48 - [13] - Quote Cupcake1980 Mernher wrote: I run Level 5s, solo, in a Rattlesnake. No groups of 12, no carriers, although I have 1 to do the ungated ones and you just have to be prepared to take the risk of flying a capable ship in low sec. Either that or as someone said, go collect isk farming incursions but don't complain that they need took to high sec because you're scared to take a ship. How much is your Rattlesnake worth? Carriers aren't that expensive. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor 5809	Posted - 2015.07.31 22:01:18 - [14] - Quote Daniela Doran wrote: That require groups of 12. I'm talking about for 2 or 3 individuals. And not everyone have the tolerance to listen to drunkards babbling about personal issues on comms like it's some mid-life crisis hotline. If you have 2 or 3 friends, go join an incursion fleet. If you don't have 2 or 3 friends, join an incursion fleet. Day 0 Advice for New Players
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 66	Posted - 2015.08.01 00:37:13 - [15] - Quote FT Diomedes wrote: As someone who used to run Level 5 missions in High Sec, back when it was possible, I have to tell you that it is no more exciting than running Level 4 missions in High Sec. The excitement comes from being hunted by your fellow man, not from NPC's. Hmm, I see. So tell me, are level 5's worth the risk of using a Paladin?
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 66	Posted - 2015.08.01 00:47:23 - [16] - Quote Cupcake1980 Mernher wrote: I run Level 5s, solo, in a Rattlesnake. No groups of 12, no carriers, although I have 1 to do the ungated ones and you just have to be prepared to take the risk of flying a capable ship in low sec. Either that or as someone said, go collect isk farming incursions but don't complain that they need took to high sec because you're scared to take a ship. You can solo Level 5's in a Rattler? Interesting. May I ask you which empire or faction you run level 5's for? Is the isk per hour + risk worth it compared to running lev 4's for SOE? If you don't wish to answer this question in the forums then could you please send me some info via in-game email, I'd really like to know.
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 66	Posted - 2015.08.01 00:56:51 - [17] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: No. Just because you can't be bothered to do them in lowsec, does not mean they should be moved back to hisec. Too much easy isk in hisec as it is. If you're referring to incursions please refer to one of my previous post in this thread. That only leaves SOE missions which if it wasn't for, I doubt I'd still be playing this game. So what other High-Sec isk sink you're referring too, hmm?
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 66	Posted - 2015.08.01 01:08:49 - [18] - Quote Barrogh Habalu wrote: Cupcake1980 Mernher wrote: I run Level 5s, solo, in a Rattlesnake. No groups of 12, no carriers, although I have 1 to do the ungated ones and you just have to be prepared to take the risk of flying a capable ship in low sec. Either that or as someone said, go collect isk farming incursions but don't complain that they need took to high sec because you're scared to take a ship. Does that nets significantly more than farming L4s solo efficiently though? Also note that higher security status means significantly less SP/ISK. Unless the LP comes from SOE, it's basically worthless to me since I don't have any manufacturing alts to use those BPCs. And the LP given from missions in Lanngisi compared to a low sec system is barely noticeable and not worth the risk.
Sobaan Tali Caldari Quick Reaction Force 535	Posted - 2015.08.01 01:31:09 - [19] - Quote Nope. Plenty of reasons, many of them stated already. Have a nice day. "Tomahawks?" "----in' A, right?" "Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each." "----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Donnachadh United Allegiance of Undesirables 406	Posted - 2015.08.01 01:50:40 - [20] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: No Essentially I agree with this but I do have an option. Move some level 5's to high sec but reduce the payouts to the same as the upper end lvl 4's. If the OP just wants the challenge of the more difficult missions he can have it without the easy ISK portion that gets people so worked up. Other thoughts for the OP. If lvl 4 are not challenging enough in your marauder then how about trying something smaller.

Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1320	Posted - 2015.08.01 03:24:41 - [21] - Quote Daniela Doran wrote: Estella Osoka wrote: No. Just because you can't be bothered to do them in lowsec, does not mean they should be moved back to hisec. Too much easy isk in hisec as it is. If you're referring to incursions please refer to one of my previous post in this thread. That only leaves SOE missions which if it wasn't for, I doubt I'd still be playing this game. So what other High-Sec isk sink you're referring too, hmm? why dont you put a bit of risk in yout game instead of sitting in high sec expecting everyone you provide content fot you, get off you're lazy arse and go and get some content like everyone else doees EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2330	Posted - 2015.08.01 10:16:25 - [22] - Quote If I recall correctly, way back in the day when Agents still had quality ratings, a great many level 4 missions and agents were stationed in low security space. Likewise, the decent quality level 5 missions were there as well. When they removed agent quality and rebalanced the missions is when they moved a great many level 4 agents into high sec and all of the level 5 agents into low sec. I don't even remember what year that was anymore... My memory gets fuzzy with age. I'm pretty doubtful that they'll be moving level fives into high sec space to be honest. It just feels that they intend for them to be more hazardous for the participants, not only from the increased difficulty of the NPC's but also the potential for interference from the fellow man. Incursions do seem to be the closest parallel to such a thing in high sec for now. I would like to see some tougher level 3 and 4 missions added in the future that would be unsolvable without using multiple pilots. I'm not talking about just more force, but requiring more sophisticated tactics and objectives that would be simply impossible for a single pilot. Something rewarding that would encourage cooperative play and whatnot. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
FT Diomedes The Graduates Get Off My Lawn 1448	Posted - 2015.08.01 13:52:48 - [23] - Quote Daniela Doran wrote: FT Diomedes wrote: As someone who used to run Level 5 missions in High Sec, back when it was possible, I have to tell you that it is no more exciting than running Level 4 missions in High Sec. The excitement comes from being hunted by your fellow man, not from NPC's. Hmm, I see. So tell me, are level 5's worth the risk of using a Paladin? That is a decision only you can make. For me, the only place I will not use a Marauder - in Bastion mode - is in a belt or an anomaly. Anywhere else, I will count on paying enough attention to my surroundings that I can get out of Bastion mode before I get caught. Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here? I'm stubborn.
HeXxploiT Big Diggers Get Off My Lawn 170	Posted - 2015.08.01 20:18:32 - [24] - Quote I agree bring lvl 5 missions to highsec and let the carebears die for a change.
Zappity WiNGSPAN Delivery Services 2411	Posted - 2015.08.01 21:13:48 - [25] - Quote HeXxploiT wrote: I agree bring lvl 5 missions to highsec and let the carebears die for a change. The isk per hour is too high if you cherry pick the missions with a faction puller. I think they really need the player risk that lowsec brings. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 67	Posted - 2015.08.02 00:19:45 - [26] - Quote Omar Alharazaad wrote: If I recall correctly, way back in the day when Agents still had quality ratings, a great many level 4 missions and agents were stationed in low security space. Likewise, the decent quality level 5 missions were there as well. When they removed agent quality and rebalanced the missions is when they moved a great many level 4 agents into high sec and all of the level 5 agents into low sec. I don't even remember what year that was anymore... My memory gets fuzzy with age. I'm pretty doubtful that they'll be moving level fives into high sec space to be honest. It just feels that they intend for them to be more hazardous for the participants, not only from the increased difficulty of the NPC's but also the potential for interference from the fellow man. Incursions do seem to be the closest parallel to such a thing in high sec for now. I would like to see some tougher level 3 and 4 missions added in the future that would be unsolvable without using multiple pilots. I'm not talking about just more force, but requiring more sophisticated tactics and objectives that would be simply impossible for a single pilot. Something rewarding that would encourage cooperative play and whatnot. Well honestly I was hoping for an alternative to running lev 4 SOE missions with a little more added difficulty and payout. This is only an additional alternative in case my other more dangerous options don't work out.
Cupcake1980 Mernher Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 3	Posted - 2015.08.02 01:16:57 - [27] - Quote How much is your Rattlesnake worth? Carriers aren't that expensive. [/quote] I only use a T2 fit, and use a mobile depot to refit the low slots, from 3 dda/bcu to 6 shield relays if needed, 3 t2 rigs though
Cupcake1980 Mernher Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 3	Posted - 2015.08.02 01:18:49 - [28] - Quote Barrogh Habalu wrote: Cupcake1980 Mernher wrote: I run Level 5s, solo, in a Rattlesnake. No groups of 12, no carriers, although I have 1 to do the ungated ones and you just have to be prepared to take the risk of flying a capable ship in low sec. Either that or as someone said, go collect isk farming incursions but don't complain that they need took to high sec because you're scared to take a ship. Does that nets significantly more than farming L4s solo efficiently though? Also note that higher security status means significantly less SP/ISK. you get 95k lp for most missions with my skills, 8m in rewards and whatever bounties you make, idk about isk/hr tbh
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 67	Posted - 2015.08.02 02:02:27 - [29] - Quote Cupcake1980 Mernher wrote: Barrogh Habalu wrote: Cupcake1980 Mernher wrote: I run Level 5s, solo, in a Rattlesnake. No groups of 12, no carriers, although I have 1 to do the ungated ones and you just have to be prepared to take the risk of flying a capable ship in low sec. Either that or as someone said, go collect isk farming incursions but don't complain that they need took to high sec because you're scared to take a ship. Does that nets significantly more than farming L4s solo efficiently though? Also note that higher security status means significantly less SP/ISK. you get 95k lp for most missions with my skills, 8m in rewards and whatever bounties you make, idk about isk/hr tbh what about salvage and loot drops?
Orlacc 910	Posted - 2015.08.02 02:50:31 - [30] - Quote Silly silly idea. The rewards more than make up for the risk. "Measure Twice, Cut Once."

Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 67	Posted - 2015.08.02 04:33:07 - [31] - Quote Orlacc wrote: Silly silly idea. The rewards more than make up for the risk. For which empire or faction? what's the best ship you do Lev 5's with from your experience?
Arthur Aihaken Perkone Caldari State 4530	Posted - 2015.08.02 07:14:57 - [32] - Quote L5s would be a great (non-incursion) small group activity in high-sec provided you reduced the ISK payout by 25-50% and LP payout by 75-85% and restricted them to a handful (2-3) 0.5 systems in each Empire. You still have to grind the L5 standings to be eligible, and as they typically take longer (and you can't utilize capitals) they would probably yield income slightly above blitzing L4 SOE missions. To those that counter low-sec is in dire need of content, nothing will redeem it from the desolate wasteland its inhabitants have turned it into. On the flip-side, I imagine griefing high-sec L5s by triggering NPC spawns would be mildly entertaining for some. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 11995	Posted - 2015.08.02 08:31:17 - [33] - Quote Daniela Doran wrote: Well honestly I was hoping for an alternative to running lev 4 SOE missions with a little more added difficulty and payout. This is only an additional alternative in case my other more dangerous options don't work out. Time is the fire in which we burn. Just run 4's faster or join a nice incursion fleet. Or go to low, null or j space which is where marauds do best. How worse could it be? usually SOE mission hubs are the gank targets in highsec. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 67	Posted - 2015.08.02 08:36:21 - [34] - Quote Webvan wrote: Daniela Doran wrote: Well honestly I was hoping for an alternative to running lev 4 SOE missions with a little more added difficulty and payout. This is only an additional alternative in case my other more dangerous options don't work out. Time is the fire in which we burn. Just run 4's faster or join a nice incursion fleet. Or go to low, null or j space which is where marauds do best. How worse could it be? usually SOE mission hubs are the gank targets in highsec. It's starting to get that way apparently. Also I notice some new groups going around scanning for MTUs and wrecking them in Apanake.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 11997	Posted - 2015.08.02 08:40:24 - [35] - Quote Daniela Doran wrote: It's starting to get that way apparently. Also I notice some new groups going around scanning for MTUs and wrecking them. It's been that way for a long time, especially since SOE got the new ships. All the bling ships do SOE's, thus they get gankings. When I mission in highsec, it's nowhere near an SOE hub. imo incursions and j-space may be your very best option. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 67	Posted - 2015.08.02 08:43:46 - [36] - Quote Cupcake1980 Mernher wrote: Barrogh Habalu wrote: Cupcake1980 Mernher wrote: I run Level 5s, solo, in a Rattlesnake. No groups of 12, no carriers, although I have 1 to do the ungated ones and you just have to be prepared to take the risk of flying a capable ship in low sec. Either that or as someone said, go collect isk farming incursions but don't complain that they need took to high sec because you're scared to take a ship. Does that nets significantly more than farming L4s solo efficiently though? Also note that higher security status means significantly less SP/ISK. you get 95k lp for most missions with my skills, 8m in rewards and whatever bounties you make, idk about isk/hr tbh Um is that as in 95000 LP for ONE mission?? Can you give me an estimate on what you make in bounties per mission? I can't fly carriers but a couple of my alts can fly Rattlers @ max in about 3 more months, Paladins are too expensive, so can 2 RR domis do level 5's?
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 67	Posted - 2015.08.02 08:46:54 - [37] - Quote Webvan wrote: Daniela Doran wrote: It's starting to get that way apparently. Also I notice some new groups going around scanning for MTUs and wrecking them. It's been that way for a long time, especially since SOE got the new ships. All the bling ships do SOE's, thus they get gankings. When I mission in highsec, it's nowhere near an SOE hub. imo incursions and j-space may be your very best option. Ty Webvan I'll look into Incursions with my NMs, but do you have to keep comms on??? So annoying having to listen to all that drunken non-sense.
Cupcake1980 Mernher Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 4	Posted - 2015.08.02 09:44:51 - [38] - Quote Daniela Doran wrote: Cupcake1980 Mernher wrote: Barrogh Habalu wrote: Cupcake1980 Mernher wrote: I run Level 5s, solo, in a Rattlesnake. No groups of 12, no carriers, although I have 1 to do the ungated ones and you just have to be prepared to take the risk of flying a capable ship in low sec. Either that or as someone said, go collect isk farming incursions but don't complain that they need took to high sec because you're scared to take a ship. Does that nets significantly more than farming L4s solo efficiently though? Also note that higher security status means significantly less SP/ISK. you get 95k lp for most missions with my skills, 8m in rewards and whatever bounties you make, idk about isk/hr tbh Um is that as in 95000 LP for ONE mission?? Can you give me an estimate on what you make in bounties per mission? I can't fly carriers but a couple of my alts can fly Rattlers @ max in about 3 more months, Paladins are too expensive, so can 2 RR domis do level 5's? that's 95k lp per mission yes, I only use a single passive Rattle because most missions are neut tower heavy and have a lot of hp so so in, mjd away, drop depot and ignore neut towers. I do them for Federation Customs. on some missions if you clear al the rats you could get up to 30-35m bounties iirc. I don't salvage or loot but 1 mission can drop serpentis loot, Vindi bpc, which dropped yesterday for a corpie and apparently a 1.5b implant, but we haven't had it yet.
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 67	Posted - 2015.08.02 14:21:12 - [39] - Quote Cupcake1980 Mernher wrote: Daniela Doran wrote: Cupcake1980 Mernher wrote: Barrogh Habalu wrote: Cupcake1980 Mernher wrote: I run Level 5s, solo, in a Rattlesnake. No groups of 12, no carriers, although I have 1 to do the ungated ones and you just have to be prepared to take the risk of flying a capable ship in low sec. Either that or as someone said, go collect isk farming incursions but don't complain that they need took to high sec because you're scared to take a ship. Does that nets significantly more than farming L4s solo efficiently though? Also note that higher security status means significantly less SP/ISK. you get 95k lp for most missions with my skills, 8m in rewards and whatever bounties you make, idk about isk/hr tbh Um is that as in 95000 LP for ONE mission?? Can you give me an estimate on what you make in bounties per mission? I can't fly carriers but a couple of my alts can fly Rattlers @ max in about 3 more months, Paladins are too expensive, so can 2 RR domis do level 5's? that's 95k lp per mission yes, I only use a single passive Rattle because most missions are neut tower heavy and have a lot of hp so so in, mjd away, drop depot and ignore neut towers. I do them for Federation Customs. on some missions if you clear al the rats you could get up to 30-35m bounties iirc. I don't salvage or loot but 1 mission can drop serpentis loot, Vindi bpc, which dropped yesterday for a corpie and apparently a 1.5b implant, but we haven't had it yet. Have you got ganked doing these Lev 5's? If not, how do you avoid em, Watching local?
Buoytender Bob Ronin Exploration Mission and Mining 53	Posted - 2015.08.02 14:55:12 - [40] - Quote I'm not a big fan of moving some level 5 missions to hi-sec. but at the risk of forum bashing how about this? Level 5s are offered in only a select group of systems that offer the "geographical" ability to meet the following criteria: 1) There is only a 1 out of 6 chance that an agent will offer a level 5 that will be run in a hi-sec system that a player can reach solely through hi-sec travel. This prohibits certain class of ships and, like current SOE level4 mission hubs, would probably be populated with plenty of people looking to score a bling fit ship kill, not to mention a high MTU attrition rate. This might also relieve the population/camping a bit in those SOE hubs. It should offer an increased amount of targets for those so inclined to hunt in hi-sec 2) There is a 2 out of 6 chance that the mission will spawn in a hi-sec island that is surrounded by lo-sec. This would encourage those who may want to venture out into parts of lo-sec for the first time, while offering a little NPC support when the mission runners start the actual mission. This would also allow players to ambush the mission runners to and from the mission areas in lo-sec, increasing the amount of PvP overall. The use of scouts and proper preparation work by the mission runner would be encouraged, while the PvP player would have an increased amount of targets of high value offered in lo-sec. Certain highly effective ships would be restricted because of hi-sec location of the mission itself. 3) There is a 3 out of 6 chance that the mission spawns in a lo-sec system. By offering a reduced chance of a hi-sec only mission, the player is partially prevented from churning missions by the 4 hour delay after refusing a mission. As I previously stated, I'm not sure bringing level 5s into hi-sec is the best way to improve PvE content in EVE, but there is an obvious need to do something for the certainly sad shape it now is in. Something like the above proposal might drive more PvP, relieve congestion in SOE mission hubs, encourage players who have never ventured into lo-sec to give it a try, and just continue to improve EVE content by letting the players themselves create it. Anyway, just a thought or two. To buck the popular trend, I began to Rage Start instead of Rage Quit. ...and every time I get another piece of Carbon, I know exactly what CCP is getting this Christmas.

Cellini Benvenuto Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 36	Posted - 2015.08.02 17:07:18 - [41] - Quote I'm just a newbie who plays solo... but a counter-proposal: why not move all L4s to lowsec as well? Lowsec is the most fun place to be. No big trouble with Concord. No sovereignty. It is true free for all with some great people around! Personally, I think anything that allows you to make big isk without big risk is: a) not fun. b) counterproductive to eve.
FT Diomedes The Graduates Get Off My Lawn 1464	Posted - 2015.08.02 17:26:32 - [42] - Quote Daniela Doran wrote: Have you got ganked doing these Lev 5's? If not, how do you avoid em, Watching local? General rules for successful operations in NPC 0.0 or low sec. Watching local is a start. Local is by far the most powerful intel tool in the game. The beauty of missions (or escalations) is that the enemy has to use combat probes to find you. If anyone not friendly is in local with you, pay attention to d-scan and get out of the site as soon as you see combat probes on d-scan. Make instant undock points on all the stations. Make perches on all the stations. Make off-grid pings on all the gates. Make perches on all the gates. Make at least one safe spot per system. If possible, more than 14.5 AU from the nearest celestial object and not in line with any two celestial objects. 0.0 and low sec systems with connections to high sec are the most dangerous systems in Eve. Find ways to avoid them when possible. WH's can be awesome for this... Careful timing and scouting also helps a lot. Never warp directly gate-to-gate. Always warp to your ping or your perch. A lot can happen during a 30 AU warp at 3 AU/second. Figure out ways to avoid traveling gate-to-gate in your mission ship. This may mean keeping a mission ship in each system where you typically get missions. Or it may mean using a cloaky nullified T3 and a mobile depot. When in doubt, use a scout. If it feels wrong, don't do it. If it looks like a trap, it is. If just one person is coming after your big, powerful ship, he probably has friends nearby. Many, many nice ships have died because someone thought "just one more rat." Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here? I'm stubborn.
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 674	Posted - 2015.08.02 23:54:58 - [43] - Quote Daniela Doran wrote: Estella Osoka wrote: No. Just because you can't be bothered to do them in lowsec, does not mean they should be moved back to hisec. Too much easy isk in hisec as it is. If you're referring to incursions please refer to one of my previous post in this thread. That only leaves SOE missions which if it wasn't for, I doubt I'd still be playing this game. So what other High-Sec isk sink you're referring too, hmm? No. L4 Missions, mining, and exploration in hisec earn more than enough isk to make one space rich; it just takes time. Incursions are just a faster way to make isk. Of course, if you really want to be a space trillioniare, then start playing the market. That is where the real isk is to be earned. Now if you want a challenge, go do some pvp.
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 67	Posted - 2015.08.03 00:01:00 - [44] - Quote FT Diomedes wrote: Daniela Doran wrote: Have you got ganked doing these Lev 5's? If not, how do you avoid em, Watching local? General rules for successful operations in NPC 0.0 or low sec. Watching local is a start. Local is by far the most powerful intel tool in the game. The beauty of missions (or escalations) is that the enemy has to use combat probes to find you. If anyone not friendly is in local with you, pay attention to d-scan and get out of the site as soon as you see combat probes on d-scan. Make instant undock points on all the stations. Make perches on all the stations. Make off-grid pings on all the gates. Make perches on all the gates. Make at least one safe spot per system. If possible, more than 14.5 AU from the nearest celestial object and not in line with any two celestial objects. 0.0 and low sec systems with connections to high sec are the most dangerous systems in Eve. Find ways to avoid them when possible. WH's can be awesome for this... Careful timing and scouting also helps a lot. Never warp directly gate-to-gate. Always warp to your ping or your perch. A lot can happen during a 30 AU warp at 3 AU/second. Figure out ways to avoid traveling gate-to-gate in your mission ship. This may mean keeping a mission ship in each system where you typically get missions. Or it may mean using a cloaky nullified T3 and a mobile depot. When in doubt, use a scout. If it feels wrong, don't do it. If it looks like a trap, it is. If just one person is coming after your big, powerful ship, he probably has friends nearby. Many, many nice ships have died because someone thought "just one more rat." What an incredible post, so much to learn and soo much more to google...lol. Eve has got to be the deepest game ever created, there's always something new to learn and discover. Diomedes looks like I was right about you, ty. I'm adding you bluely on all my alts when I get the chance and I'm gonna keep this post favorite tagged for reference cause it's gonna take awhile (of googling) for me to fully comprehend and utilize all the advice you've given me from this post.
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 67	Posted - 2015.08.03 00:09:43 - [45] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: Daniela Doran wrote: Estella Osoka wrote: No. Just because you can't be bothered to do them in lowsec, does not mean they should be moved back to hisec. Too much easy isk in hisec as it is. If you're referring to incursions please refer to one of my previous post in this thread. That only leaves SOE missions which if it wasn't for, I doubt I'd still be playing this game. So what other High-Sec isk sink you're referring too, hmm? No. L4 Missions, mining, and exploration in hisec earn more than enough isk to make one space rich; it just takes time. Incursions are just a faster way to make isk. Of course, if you really want to be a space trillioniare, then start playing the market. That is where the real isk is to be earned. Now if you want a challenge, go do some pvp. Yea I get it and it's fine for level 5's to stay in low sec. Lack of knowledge was what caused my fear of bringing decent ships into low/null/wh space. And from what I just read from Diomedes great post, those fears were justified. I'll stay in high-sec for awhile longer until I master the power of google to learn the art of survival in eve before I venture into dangerous space.
Anthar Thebess 1248	Posted - 2015.08.03 08:03:32 - [46] - Quote Daniela Doran wrote: Mara Rinn wrote: Just because you don't want to take your marauder to lowsec doesn't mean nobody runs L5 missions. We already have high-difficulty PVE in hisec called Incursions. That require groups of 12. I'm talking about for 2 or 3 individuals. And not everyone have the tolerance to listen to drunkards babbling about personal issues on comms like it's some mid-life crisis hotline. Then do them in lowsec. I don't get what is the problem? Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
FT Diomedes The Graduates Get Off My Lawn 1477	Posted - 2015.08.03 10:32:28 - [47] - Quote Daniela Doran wrote: Estella Osoka wrote: Daniela Doran wrote: Estella Osoka wrote: No. Just because you can't be bothered to do them in lowsec, does not mean they should be moved back to hisec. Too much easy isk in hisec as it is. If you're referring to incursions please refer to one of my previous post in this thread. That only leaves SOE missions which if it wasn't for, I doubt I'd still be playing this game. So what other High-Sec isk sink you're referring too, hmm? No. L4 Missions, mining, and exploration in hisec earn more than enough isk to make one space rich; it just takes time. Incursions are just a faster way to make isk. Of course, if you really want to be a space trillioniare, then start playing the market. That is where the real isk is to be earned. Now if you want a challenge, go do some pvp. Yea I get it and it's fine for level 5's to stay in low sec. Lack of knowledge was what caused my fear of bringing decent ships into low/null/wh space. And from what I just read from Diomedes great post, those fears were justified. I'll stay in high-sec for awhile longer until I master the power of google to learn the art of survival in eve before I venture into dangerous space. The only way to learn is by doing. Get out there and give it a try. If you do some proper research and scouting beforehand, you should be able to find a nice area. Between www.eve-agents.com, www.dotlan.com, and the killboard websites, you should be able to learn where you want to go, how risky it is there, and who to be most afraid of in that area. Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here? I'm stubborn.
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 68	Posted - 2015.08.03 11:29:53 - [48] - Quote FT Diomedes wrote: Daniela Doran wrote: Estella Osoka wrote: Daniela Doran wrote: Estella Osoka wrote: No. Just because you can't be bothered to do them in lowsec, does not mean they should be moved back to hisec. Too much easy isk in hisec as it is. If you're referring to incursions please refer to one of my previous post in this thread. That only leaves SOE missions which if it wasn't for, I doubt I'd still be playing this game. So what other High-Sec isk sink you're referring too, hmm? No. L4 Missions, mining, and exploration in hisec earn more than enough isk to make one space rich; it just takes time. Incursions are just a faster way to make isk. Of course, if you really want to be a space trillioniare, then start playing the market. That is where the real isk is to be earned. Now if you want a challenge, go do some pvp. Yea I get it and it's fine for level 5's to stay in low sec. Lack of knowledge was what caused my fear of bringing decent ships into low/null/wh space. And from what I just read from Diomedes great post, those fears were justified. I'll stay in high-sec for awhile longer until I master the power of google to learn the art of survival in eve before I venture into dangerous space. The only way to learn is by doing. Get out there and give it a try. If you do some proper research and scouting beforehand, you should be able to find a nice area. Between www.eve-agents.com, www.dotlan.com, and the killboard websites, you should be able to learn where you want to go, how risky it is there, and who to be most afraid of in that area. Alright, I'll give it a try with 2 platinum insured T2 fitted RR Domis. Do you happen to know how to set up SiSi without crashing TQ?
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1322	Posted - 2015.08.03 11:39:53 - [49] - Quote i prefer t3's personally, they are easier to gtfo if you see probes etc, but i just hate battleships for solo missions, but as said just watch dscan like a hawk and travel down to the hub in a ceptor and make bookmarks everywhere before taking expensive ships, when i was in a pirate alliance they did drop the lvl 5 runners quite often so i would have a scout sitting on mission gates etc. maybe you should try some lower level missions in low/null to get the hang of running missions if you are use to highsec EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 68	Posted - 2015.08.03 12:15:15 - [50] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: i prefer t3's personally, they are easier to gtfo if you see probes etc, but i just hate battleships for solo missions, but as said just watch dscan like a hawk and travel down to the hub in a ceptor and make bookmarks everywhere before taking expensive ships, when i was in a pirate alliance they did drop the lvl 5 runners quite often so i would have a scout sitting on mission gates etc. maybe you should try some lower level missions in low/null to get the hang of running missions if you are use to highsec I can fly a max Legion, but the T3Cs are nerfbound, so I decided to stop flying it to lessen the pain when the T3Cs gets sledgehammered. The MJD RR Domis should be fine, only lose about 70 mill each with insurance if I get ganked.

Lloyd Roses Artificial Memories 1231	Posted - 2015.08.03 13:47:08 - [51] - Quote Civ Kado wrote: You're dumb. There's always someone who thinks he's witty and smart and lollipops writing destructive blarghargh like that.
FT Diomedes The Graduates Get Off My Lawn 1484	Posted - 2015.08.03 18:15:12 - [52] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: maybe you should try some lower level missions in low/null to get the hang of running missions if you are use to highsec This is my recommendation as well. Or at least spending some time in the area you think you want to check out. Spending a week developing some sense of the pattern of life will be very useful later on. You could spend this time checking out exploration sites, belt ratting, or running level 2-3 missions. As for Sisi, I have never set it up. Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here? I'm stubborn.
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 70	Posted - 2015.08.04 00:08:05 - [53] - Quote Cupcake1980 Mernher wrote: Daniela Doran wrote: Cupcake1980 Mernher wrote: Barrogh Habalu wrote: Cupcake1980 Mernher wrote: I run Level 5s, solo, in a Rattlesnake. No groups of 12, no carriers, although I have 1 to do the ungated ones and you just have to be prepared to take the risk of flying a capable ship in low sec. Either that or as someone said, go collect isk farming incursions but don't complain that they need took to high sec because you're scared to take a ship. Does that nets significantly more than farming L4s solo efficiently though? Also note that higher security status means significantly less SP/ISK. you get 95k lp for most missions with my skills, 8m in rewards and whatever bounties you make, idk about isk/hr tbh Um is that as in 95000 LP for ONE mission?? Can you give me an estimate on what you make in bounties per mission? I can't fly carriers but a couple of my alts can fly Rattlers @ max in about 3 more months, Paladins are too expensive, so can 2 RR domis do level 5's? that's 95k lp per mission yes, I only use a single passive Rattle because most missions are neut tower heavy and have a lot of hp so so in, mjd away, drop depot and ignore neut towers. I do them for Federation Customs. on some missions if you clear al the rats you could get up to 30-35m bounties iirc. I don't salvage or loot but 1 mission can drop serpentis loot, Vindi bpc, which dropped yesterday for a corpie and apparently a 1.5b implant, but we haven't had it yet. Darn Rattlers makes me soo jealous.....sigh I wish I trained for these instead of the darn Paladins. The Rattlers are by far the most productive sub-cap ships in all of eve.
Tyape Love the DaKa 5	Posted - 2015.08.04 10:14:44 - [54] - Quote Cellini Benvenuto wrote: I'm just a newbie who plays solo... but a counter-proposal: why not move all L4s to lowsec as well? Lowsec is the most fun place to be. No big trouble with Concord. No sovereignty. It is true free for all with some great people around! Personally, I think anything that allows you to make big isk without big risk is: a) not fun. b) counterproductive to eve. You are my favorite person of the day.
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance 609	Posted - 2015.08.22 16:42:45 - [55] - Quote Mara Rinn wrote: Just because you don't want to take your marauder to lowsec doesn't mean nobody runs L5 missions. We already have high-difficulty PVE in hisec called Incursions. Wow literally the first response was about incursions. Incursions aren't even hard, what is your argument again? It's nit like people will be able to use carriers in their highsec l5s and there are all kinds of ugly ways to mess with people for example proccing early spawns and getting the sitr runner killed and then just looting his wreck. Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
Tsukino Stareine Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class 1329	Posted - 2015.08.22 17:48:48 - [56] - Quote high sec should be as much like the "trial version" of eve as it can. Incursions shouldn't even exist in high sec, concord should be able to take them out alone. Level 4s should be the highest form of income there, far too many people play in high sec and don't contribute to any content in the game.
Spc One The Chodak Void Alliance 290	Posted - 2015.08.22 19:35:51 - [57] - Quote Level 5 missions would be very nice in high sec so 3 people could run them. It would be like mini incursion because you need at least 2-3 people do to them normally.
Iguanoid Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore 3	Posted - 2015.08.28 11:15:20 - [58] - Quote Some of the lvl 5 missions can be run in under 10 minutes. They took them out of hi sec for a reason, and they are really not hard to solo in a passive tengu. Leave them where they are, they are fine. Most of the lvl 5 storylines still pop in hi sec for what its worth. Risk / reward, um, you know. Stuff
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 96	Posted - 2015.08.28 12:20:44 - [59] - Quote Iguanoid wrote: Some of the lvl 5 missions can be run in under 10 minutes. They took them out of hi sec for a reason, and they are really not hard to solo in a passive tengu. Leave them where they are, they are fine. Most of the lvl 5 storylines still pop in hi sec for what its worth. Risk / reward, um, you know. Stuff Tell me which Level 5's are actually worth running?
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1402	Posted - 2015.08.28 12:36:18 - [60] - Quote the payout is around 95k lp, if you are use to highsec missions then every lvl 5 is worth running :) EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design

Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 96	Posted - 2015.08.28 12:42:43 - [61] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: the payout is around 95k lp, if you are use to highsec missions then every lvl 5 is worth running :) Yea that looks tempting, but for which faction/empire have the best LP/Isk ratio values?
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1402	Posted - 2015.08.28 13:49:59 - [62] - Quote dont know, i dont really do pve for profit, i do it for fun mostly EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 714	Posted - 2015.08.28 14:12:30 - [63] - Quote Daniela Doran wrote: Lan Wang wrote: the payout is around 95k lp, if you are use to highsec missions then every lvl 5 is worth running :) Yea that looks tempting, but for which faction/empire have the best LP/Isk ratio values? What does it matter? You are making more LP than someone in FW.
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1402	Posted - 2015.08.28 14:58:53 - [64] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: Daniela Doran wrote: Lan Wang wrote: the payout is around 95k lp, if you are use to highsec missions then every lvl 5 is worth running :) Yea that looks tempting, but for which faction/empire have the best LP/Isk ratio values? What does it matter? You are making more LP than someone in FW. thats the problem with highsec carebears, the main concern for them is maxing everything, god forbid if another lvl 5 hub paid out more EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
MT Dinkle INFAMOUS DEVILS 0	Posted - 2015.08.28 15:21:11 - [65] - Quote i agree with bringing lvl 5s to highsec, but at a cost. That cost meaning you would need a fleet with logi and links with marauders and capitals. it sounds like im talking about incursions but i have never done them because of how hard it is to get going with a decent fleet. i also wish they would make lvl 3 and 4 harder to do. make 3's hard to do solo making you need to actually control aggro and bring a more solid ship and fitting. 4s should take a small fleet 2 or more depending on skills with maybe links and logi at a smaller scale. with that the isk, lp, salvage and loot should be balanced out as well. i love running missions more than anything on eve online. I really just like them because they are endless and i can do them on my schedule. i feel they should make new missions as well. i know we have burners now but those are extremely tough and dont understand why they limit the ships you can bring. honestly they made them to challenge us and to experience what pvp is a little i get that, but in pvp you can bring whatever ship you want(BS vs Frig). and after all of that bring carriers and dreds to highsec as-well, so i may experience flying them and being able to use them for missioning. thats my dream and suspect they may never do that. that is all. good post
Joshua Lonestar Perkone Caldari State 33	Posted - 2015.08.28 15:23:33 - [66] - Quote As long as incursions exist in high sec its a hollow argument to say L5's need to stay in low sec due to the income. Move'm to high sec or move incursions to low sec. But its silly to cry about someone wanting a L5 mission moved to high sec as long as you can make 100+ mil an hour on incursions. Lets be honest there....An EASY 100+ mil an hour with NO RISK. With SRP in place Incursions are actually safer than missions.
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1402	Posted - 2015.08.28 15:25:10 - [67] - Quote Joshua Lonestar wrote: As long as incursions exist in high sec its a hollow argument to say L5's need to stay in low sec due to the income. Move'm to high sec or move incursions to low sec. But its silly to cry about someone wanting a L5 mission moved to high sec as long as you can make 100+ mil an hour on incursions. Lets be honest there....An EASY 100+ mil an hour with NO RISK. With SRP in place Incursions are actually safer than missions. why should they be moved when you can just move yourself? EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Joshua Lonestar Perkone Caldari State 33	Posted - 2015.08.28 15:34:45 - [68] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Joshua Lonestar wrote: As long as incursions exist in high sec its a hollow argument to say L5's need to stay in low sec due to the income. Move'm to high sec or move incursions to low sec. But its silly to cry about someone wanting a L5 mission moved to high sec as long as you can make 100+ mil an hour on incursions. Lets be honest there....An EASY 100+ mil an hour with NO RISK. With SRP in place Incursions are actually safer than missions. why should they be moved when you can just move yourself? I spelled it out very clearly. Go reread my post.
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1402	Posted - 2015.08.28 15:44:54 - [69] - Quote i read your post but what is the point in moving stuff around when the player can easily just move themselves EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Joshua Lonestar Perkone Caldari State 33	Posted - 2015.08.28 16:12:07 - [70] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: i read your post but what is the point in moving stuff around when the player can easily just move themselves The heart of the argument against moving L5s is that it would be too easy for an individual to make isk by running :5s. Which completely ignores the fact Incursions will make as much and be even safer than missions. The argument is simply empty. Theres no good reason to not move L5s. If anything Incursions should be moved to low sec/null sec only. LS L5s already generate so little contact and interaction as to be insignificant Missioners simply arent pulling up stakes and moving to LS to run L5s in droves. No matter how much silly arguments there are about "Just move!" it aint gonna happen. So between the lack of movement and the already running HS isk faucets, there isnt a sensible reason not to move L5s.

Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 715	Posted - 2015.08.28 17:02:46 - [71] - Quote Joshua Lonestar wrote: Lan Wang wrote: i read your post but what is the point in moving stuff around when the player can easily just move themselves The heart of the argument against moving L5s is that it would be too easy for an individual to make isk by running :5s. Which completely ignores the fact Incursions will make as much and be even safer than missions. The argument is simply empty. Theres no good reason to not move L5s. If anything Incursions should be moved to low sec/null sec only. LS L5s already generate so little contact and interaction as to be insignificant Missioners simply arent pulling up stakes and moving to LS to run L5s in droves. No matter how much silly arguments there are about "Just move!" it aint gonna happen. So between the lack of movement and the already running HS isk faucets, there isnt a sensible reason not to move L5s. Incursions are a group activity. Running a L5 is not. L5s were in hisec at one point, player base complained the payout outweighed the risk (which it does), so to lowsec they went. And pray tell where do you get that L5s generate little contact? I know several people who run them. One L5 mission generates more isk than running an Incursion for an hour. Max skills will net an ~10mil isk plus 80K-90K LP. If you go by the standard LP rate of 1500isk/1LP, 90K LP comes out to 135mil isk. Good players can easily chain L5 missions and complete 2-3 an hour. So yeah, moving them back to hisec would make them unbalanced in the scheme of risk vs. reward.
Joshua Lonestar Perkone Caldari State 33	Posted - 2015.08.28 17:35:01 - [72] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: Joshua Lonestar wrote: Lan Wang wrote: i read your post but what is the point in moving stuff around when the player can easily just move themselves The heart of the argument against moving L5s is that it would be too easy for an individual to make isk by running :5s. Which completely ignores the fact Incursions will make as much and be even safer than missions. The argument is simply empty. Theres no good reason to not move L5s. If anything Incursions should be moved to low sec/null sec only. LS L5s already generate so little contact and interaction as to be insignificant Missioners simply arent pulling up stakes and moving to LS to run L5s in droves. No matter how much silly arguments there are about "Just move!" it aint gonna happen. So between the lack of movement and the already running HS isk faucets, there isnt a sensible reason not to move L5s. Incursions are a group activity. Running a L5 is not. L5s were in hisec at one point, player base complained the payout outweighed the risk (which it does), so to lowsec they went. And pray tell where do you get that L5s generate little contact? I know several people who run them. One L5 mission generates more isk than running an Incursion for an hour. Max skills will net an ~10mil isk plus 80K-90K LP. If you go by the standard LP rate of 1500isk/1LP, 90K LP comes out to 135mil isk. Good players can easily chain L5 missions and complete 2-3 an hour. So yeah, moving them back to hisec would make them unbalanced in the scheme of risk vs. reward. Several players?! You dont say...Out of the tens of thousands in the game. I'm sold. L5s are the most active content in Eve based on a guy who knows a few people doing them. So nerf the payout....20%. Give or take. The point still remains, with all the other safe isk faucets out there having L5s in high sec just doesnt even make the radar for anyone who isnt wearing blinders.
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 715	Posted - 2015.08.28 21:34:11 - [73] - Quote Joshua Lonestar wrote: Estella Osoka wrote: Joshua Lonestar wrote: Lan Wang wrote: i read your post but what is the point in moving stuff around when the player can easily just move themselves The heart of the argument against moving L5s is that it would be too easy for an individual to make isk by running :5s. Which completely ignores the fact Incursions will make as much and be even safer than missions. The argument is simply empty. Theres no good reason to not move L5s. If anything Incursions should be moved to low sec/null sec only. LS L5s already generate so little contact and interaction as to be insignificant Missioners simply arent pulling up stakes and moving to LS to run L5s in droves. No matter how much silly arguments there are about "Just move!" it aint gonna happen. So between the lack of movement and the already running HS isk faucets, there isnt a sensible reason not to move L5s. Incursions are a group activity. Running a L5 is not. L5s were in hisec at one point, player base complained the payout outweighed the risk (which it does), so to lowsec they went. And pray tell where do you get that L5s generate little contact? I know several people who run them. One L5 mission generates more isk than running an Incursion for an hour. Max skills will net an ~10mil isk plus 80K-90K LP. If you go by the standard LP rate of 1500isk/1LP, 90K LP comes out to 135mil isk. Good players can easily chain L5 missions and complete 2-3 an hour. So yeah, moving them back to hisec would make them unbalanced in the scheme of risk vs. reward. Several players?! You dont say...Out of the tens of thousands in the game. I'm sold. L5s are the most active content in Eve based on a guy who knows a few people doing them. So nerf the payout....20%. Give or take. The point still remains, with all the other safe isk faucets out there having L5s in high sec just doesnt even make the radar for anyone who isnt wearing blinders. Dude, just get out of your safezone and take some risks.
Joshua Lonestar Perkone Caldari State 33	Posted - 2015.08.28 21:42:54 - [74] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: Joshua Lonestar wrote: Estella Osoka wrote: Joshua Lonestar wrote: Lan Wang wrote: i read your post but what is the point in moving stuff around when the player can easily just move themselves The heart of the argument against moving L5s is that it would be too easy for an individual to make isk by running :5s. Which completely ignores the fact Incursions will make as much and be even safer than missions. The argument is simply empty. Theres no good reason to not move L5s. If anything Incursions should be moved to low sec/null sec only. LS L5s already generate so little contact and interaction as to be insignificant Missioners simply arent pulling up stakes and moving to LS to run L5s in droves. No matter how much silly arguments there are about "Just move!" it aint gonna happen. So between the lack of movement and the already running HS isk faucets, there isnt a sensible reason not to move L5s. Incursions are a group activity. Running a L5 is not. L5s were in hisec at one point, player base complained the payout outweighed the risk (which it does), so to lowsec they went. And pray tell where do you get that L5s generate little contact? I know several people who run them. One L5 mission generates more isk than running an Incursion for an hour. Max skills will net an ~10mil isk plus 80K-90K LP. If you go by the standard LP rate of 1500isk/1LP, 90K LP comes out to 135mil isk. Good players can easily chain L5 missions and complete 2-3 an hour. So yeah, moving them back to hisec would make them unbalanced in the scheme of risk vs. reward. Several players?! You dont say...Out of the tens of thousands in the game. I'm sold. L5s are the most active content in Eve based on a guy who knows a few people doing them. So nerf the payout....20%. Give or take. The point still remains, with all the other safe isk faucets out there having L5s in high sec just doesnt even make the radar for anyone who isnt wearing blinders. Dude, just get out of your safezone and take some risks. Hate to bust your bubble sunshine but I dont run missions anywhere in k space, and I dont do incursions. I dont have a dog in this fight other than to say its utterly silly to complain about the L5 payouts as long as incursions exist.
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 716	Posted - 2015.08.28 22:04:28 - [75] - Quote Joshua Lonestar wrote: Hate to bust your bubble sunshine but I dont run missions anywhere in k space, and I dont do incursions. I dont have a dog in this fight other than to say its utterly silly to complain about the L5 payouts as long as incursions exist. Incursion are not even feasibly comparable to L5s. Everyone doesn't do sleeper sites in C5/6 WH, should those be moved to hisec? Going by your reasoning they should.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1508	Posted - 2015.08.28 22:16:19 - [76] - Quote eh why not... just nerf the hell out of the LP payout. Might bring some decent balance to the tag market. @ChainsawPlankto
Dethlias RCFNTDC 10	Posted - 2015.08.28 23:56:08 - [77] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: Joshua Lonestar wrote: Hate to bust your bubble sunshine but I dont run missions anywhere in k space, and I dont do incursions. I dont have a dog in this fight other than to say its utterly silly to complain about the L5 payouts as long as incursions exist. Incursion are not even feasibly comparable to L5s. Everyone doesn't do sleeper sites in C5/6 WH, should those be moved to hisec? Going by your reasoning they should. I stopped doing missions of any type and have lived in null and did all null profit including guristas missions so i have no stock in moving L5s to anywhere or even if they were removed. And my safezone is with dscan up. That being said you are willfully ignorant of this guys argument. I suggest you re-read all his posts with your reading comprehension glasses on.
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 96	Posted - 2015.08.29 01:25:22 - [78] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: Joshua Lonestar wrote: Lan Wang wrote: i read your post but what is the point in moving stuff around when the player can easily just move themselves The heart of the argument against moving L5s is that it would be too easy for an individual to make isk by running :5s. Which completely ignores the fact Incursions will make as much and be even safer than missions. The argument is simply empty. Theres no good reason to not move L5s. If anything Incursions should be moved to low sec/null sec only. LS L5s already generate so little contact and interaction as to be insignificant Missioners simply arent pulling up stakes and moving to LS to run L5s in droves. No matter how much silly arguments there are about "Just move!" it aint gonna happen. So between the lack of movement and the already running HS isk faucets, there isnt a sensible reason not to move L5s. Incursions are a group activity. Running a L5 is not. L5s were in hisec at one point, player base complained the payout outweighed the risk (which it does), so to lowsec they went. And pray tell where do you get that L5s generate little contact? I know several people who run them. One L5 mission generates more isk than running an Incursion for an hour. Max skills will net an ~10mil isk plus 80K-90K LP. If you go by the standard LP rate of 1500isk/1LP, 90K LP comes out to 135mil isk. Good players can easily chain L5 missions and complete 2-3 an hour. So yeah, moving them back to hisec would make them unbalanced in the scheme of risk vs. reward. Which NPC Faction/Empires gives you these LP/ISK ratio figures? How long would it take you to run a Lev 5 with two Rattlers or two Paladins? Is is worth it to loot/salvage lev 5s? If so, how good is the loot/salvage?
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 96	Posted - 2015.08.29 01:26:37 - [79] - Quote oops double post
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 96	Posted - 2015.08.29 01:27:43 - [80] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Estella Osoka wrote: Daniela Doran wrote: Lan Wang wrote: the payout is around 95k lp, if you are use to highsec missions then every lvl 5 is worth running :) Yea that looks tempting, but for which faction/empire have the best LP/Isk ratio values? What does it matter? You are making more LP than someone in FW. thats the problem with highsec carebears, the main concern for them is maxing everything, god forbid if another lvl 5 hub paid out more LOL, yea you got me, I'M GREEDY!

Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 98	Posted - 2015.08.29 01:36:31 - [81] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: Daniela Doran wrote: Lan Wang wrote: the payout is around 95k lp, if you are use to highsec missions then every lvl 5 is worth running :) Yea that looks tempting, but for which faction/empire have the best LP/Isk ratio values? What does it matter? You are making more LP than someone in FW. You're kidding right? I've seen the videos on how much you can make using just two SBs in level 4 FW missions, not mentioning how good their LP stores are. With the risk involved, Level 5's can't compete.
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1402	Posted - 2015.08.29 07:47:30 - [82] - Quote i dont think anything compares to fw missions tbh EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Arthur Aihaken Chig 4603	Posted - 2015.08.29 15:36:26 - [83] - Quote You can make really good money with high-sec Incursions and occasionally insane money in Faction Warfare. That being said, I think most of the players in this thread are overlooking the obvious reason for L5 high-sec missions: The Challenge. Even if the ISK/LP payout in high-sec was considerably less than in low-sec players would still run these because they're simply more engaging than even the hardest L4s, and they're actually something teams of players would find challenging. The vast majority of high-sec players will never be lured to low-sec no matter what carrots you try to entice them with, so the whole argument that high-sec L5s somehow diminish opportunities for low-sec players is moot. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 718	Posted - 2015.08.30 00:12:06 - [84] - Quote If you want a challenge, then do them in lowsec. What makes L5s more challenging is that there is the possibility that someone may try to subject you to unwanted pvp. The missions themselves are really not that hard. People use carriers or dual RR Domis to do them because it is quick, not because they are that hard. A Marauder can do them easily. There would be no bigger challenge by doing them in hisec. If you want more challenging missions, then tell CCP to make more burner style missions. If you want a challenge from EVE, then you should not be limiting yourself to just missions. PVP is the most challenging activity in this game.
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 98	Posted - 2015.08.30 00:25:46 - [85] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: If you want a challenge, then do them in lowsec. What makes L5s more challenging is that there is the possibility that someone may try to subject you to unwanted pvp. The missions themselves are really not that hard. People use carriers or dual RR Domis to do them because it is quick, not because they are that hard. A Marauder can do them easily. There would be no bigger challenge by doing them in hisec. If you want more challenging missions, then tell CCP to make more burner style missions. If you want a challenge from EVE, then you should not be limiting yourself to just missions. PVP is the most challenging activity in this game. It is also the most expensive and I don't like being broke. To me PVP is a rush, it's like a energized form of entertainment after a good days work, but it isn't something I'd want to do a whole lot of and especially not to make isk. To make isk you need to kill NPCs and atm for me, that is in doing missions. So I don't see any real reason for CCP to not make that aspect of the game more engaging for players not looking for PVP.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1517	Posted - 2015.08.30 06:51:15 - [86] - Quote Daniela Doran wrote: Estella Osoka wrote: Daniela Doran wrote: Lan Wang wrote: the payout is around 95k lp, if you are use to highsec missions then every lvl 5 is worth running :) Yea that looks tempting, but for which faction/empire have the best LP/Isk ratio values? What does it matter? You are making more LP than someone in FW. You're kidding right? I've seen the videos on how much you can make using just two SBs in level 4 FW missions, not mentioning how good their LP stores are. With the risk involved, Level 5's can't compete. how well does that work when your side is in a low tier of FW? @ChainsawPlankto
Arthur Aihaken Chig 4604	Posted - 2015.08.30 11:04:08 - [87] - Quote They should really call it GLAvP and not PvP. Gangs, Links and Alts vs. Player. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 718	Posted - 2015.08.30 15:50:34 - [88] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: They should really call it GLAvP and not PvP. Gangs, Links and Alts vs. Player. This is an MMO. To think there is such a thing as solo PVP where it is 1v1, means you are setting yourself up for failure.


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