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Lojack Girl	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:05:00 - [1] Basacily this is a thread about "NET NUTRALITY" i asked my corpmates what they fought of net nutrality and they only comment i got back was "what you mean Beastiality?" so im just making sure the rest of eve knows whats happening. As some of you mabe aware in the US rules are being formed that will impact the way the internet works, i.e. maga corps want the internet to work diffrently so that it closly resembles CABLE PAY FOR VEIW TV:( in that when choosing youre package you not only choose youre bandwidth but also you tier type ie gold silver bronze and this dicides what content you can access :( Basacly in the futeur it would be common place for youre ISP to charge you more if you want to download diffrent types of media i.e. video images or "online-game-access" <EVE if you fail to pay-per-use or are not on a premium teir access plan you will be classifeid as low priority and recive low bandwidth or no connection at all :( this WILL happpan as ISP's get nothing out of you playing online games for hours at a time ATM, but with a pay-per-houre plan this would change and you would have to pay just to login ontop of an internet connection fee line rental and eve-subscription :( Futher more this will effect CCP as it will be a two way thing were CCP will have to pay ISP's to make sure its data is sent and recieved :( increasing there running costs. This is for real, major internet and computer firms "Ebay, Google, Microsoft" are worried abut this issue bucause Giant TV, CABLE, TELICOM mega Corps want the internet for themselves :( for the last few years i often wondered what would win TV OR THE INTERNET, But it seems TV will KIL internet before the fight even starts :I links i found to more iformation "im not affilated to any" http://www.savetheinternet.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:08:00 - [2] I don't see it catching on. Why? Any company that doesn't follow that payment plan would suddenly find themselves the most popular ISP in the country- no small incentive not to do it. It could only happen if every single ISP in the country decided to / was forced to do it at the same time. Makes me glad I live in the EU- not heard a peep about it down this end. -----------------------------------------------
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:13:00 - [3] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 04/12/2006 14:13:31 Hehe, I'm glad that in europe pay per view and other such corporate #%#$^#$%#@% has been a consistent failure since it crossed the pond :p Old blog
qui arthell	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:13:00 - [4] That is true, but alot of ISP's have monopoly's in certain areas, hence why some people are still forced to use 56k. Also, if all the ISP's banded together and agreed to do this (which is essentially what they are trying to do) they will all make more money, while they all keep their respective customer bases. This is a major issue that has been floating around for a good while now.
Major Stormer Caldari Red Storm Vendetta	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:14:00 - [5] As far as i know this "problem" was already sorted out. Its back again you mean? Red Storm Vendetta is now recruiting! Click me for more info
Zeonos Amarr venus divine brotherhood Dark Forces Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:17:00 - [6] in denmark a danish television station (DR) get some money every half year. for everyone there got a televesion. and now they want everyone with a 256kbs or more. to pay a license too. because we can see television online.. :( you are only allowed one image in your sig. Removed the second one that also broke size restrictions. Linkage - Hutch
D2O HeavyWater Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:18:00 - [7] Competition for ISP's is very fierce in the UK at minute so unless they all do which i think is extrmely unlikely I'll just keep swapping ISP's. I don't agree with that fair use quota either. Whenever thats imposed on me i switch ISP. On my 3rd ISP in 12 months.
DaRuLe Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:18:00 - [8] If a company, say Bell (dunno if they are an ISP, I'm not an American) introduces this new 'service'. I would leave 'em an go to another ISP. If they all introduce this,.. well, isn't it against the law for large corporations to band together? Anyways, since the US is a free country (it still is right? /sarcasm), I'll bet some human rights group will counter this initiative. __________________________________________________________________________
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:19:00 - [9] I've always thought the most important aspect of this was that I don't live in the US . A close second, however, is the fact that if all the ISPs do get together and pull this off, the higher they jack up the prices, the bigger the incentive for a new ISP to come along and offer 'open' access. ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:20:00 - [10] Originally by: DaRuLe If a company, say Bell (dunno if they are an ISP, I'm not an American) introduces this new 'service'. I would leave 'em an go to another ISP. If they all introduce this,.. well, isn't it against the law for large corporations to band together? Anyways, since the US is a free country (it still is right? /sarcasm), I'll bet some human rights group will counter this initiative. Hell, if they did all band together, heres what you do- buy a server and set up your own SP, make a fortune -----------------------------------------------
Lojack Girl	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:25:00 - [11] There arnt as many true ISP's as you think for instance there are only 3 TRUE ISP's in the UK that provide internet faster than 56K: BT Cable Saterlite Uplink <5% Cable is NTL"Virgin Comunications" and Cable. and DSL connections are all offered by BT ie tiscali or pipex just rent of BT and you pay them so anything BT does will effect all of the smaller broadband outlets
Agent Li Galactic Defence Consortium	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:26:00 - [12] Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 04/12/2006 14:13:31 Hehe, I'm glad that in europe pay per view and other such corporate #%#$^#$%#@% has been a consistent failure since it crossed the pond :p I guess that explains the Sky Sport monopoly...
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:27:00 - [13] The moment things change to where I have to pay some insane rate to game online I will a) buy a build a gamers reserve on my propery, get a DS3, and then move all my gaming m8s and their families onto it and get the rents worked out to cover it or b) Start using Ham Radio packet transfer to play EVE. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Lojack Girl	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:28:00 - [14] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: DaRuLe If a company, say Bell (dunno if they are an ISP, I'm not an American) introduces this new 'service'. I would leave 'em an go to another ISP. If they all introduce this,.. well, isn't it against the law for large corporations to band together? Anyways, since the US is a free country (it still is right? /sarcasm), I'll bet some human rights group will counter this initiative. Hell, if they did all band together, heres what you do- buy a server and set up your own SP, make a fortune If youre in the uk, and you want to set up a ISP you will have to rent bandwidth of BT which will mean you will have to pay BT what they want :( the same goes with the USA and AT&T
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:30:00 - [15] Originally by: DaRuLe If a company, say Bell (dunno if they are an ISP, I'm not an American) introduces this new 'service'. I would leave 'em an go to another ISP. If they all introduce this,.. well, isn't it against the law for large corporations to band together? That's called collusion, and is a pain in the butt to prove. To be honest, the option of switching ISPs isn't an option for a lot of folks at all. Around here, you've got two real options for broadband: going through the cable company, or the regional telco for DSL. If both are in on it, this entire area is screwed. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:31:00 - [16] Originally by: D2O HeavyWater Competition for ISP's is very fierce in the UK at minute so unless they all do which i think is extrmely unlikely I'll just keep swapping ISP's. I don't agree with that fair use quota either. Whenever thats imposed on me i switch ISP. On my 3rd ISP in 12 months. The squeeze that UK ISPs are currently facing is a real issue. They pay a fixed amount per month but have to contend with their users tending to congregate around either office hours or evenings. Worse still the average bandwidth requirement per user is increasing. Most ISPs are balancing contention in the peak hours (risking customer wrath with slow or unreliable connections) with very low usage at other times (which means running at a loss for maybe 12 out of every 24 hours). Getting the balance right is increasingly difficult and I think that when LLU subscriptions reach the magical 1.5m and BT regain the freedom to price the cost of a central how they want we might see some very interesting times. There's also the big question (to my mind) of are the LLU operators currently offering realistic prices or are they (as I suspect) still in "loss leader" mode trying to attract fresh victims..er customers. Duck and cover! -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Linux is only free if your time is worthless
SSgt Sniper Gallente In Excess Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:33:00 - [17] Originally by: Kaylana Syi The moment things change to where I have to pay some insane rate to game online I will a) buy a build a gamers reserve on my propery, get a DS3, and then move all my gaming m8s and their families onto it and get the rents worked out to cover it or b) Start using Ham Radio packet transfer to play EVE. Show HAM radio some love! --------- Gallente need ONE ship with an ecm bonus option. JUST ONE.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:33:00 - [18] Originally by: Lojack Girl There arnt as many true ISP's as you think for instance there are only 3 TRUE ISP's in the UK that provide internet faster than 56K: BT Cable Saterlite Uplink <5% Cable is NTL"Virgin Comunications" and Cable. and DSL connections are all offered by BT ie tiscali or pipex just rent of BT and you pay them so anything BT does will effect all of the smaller broadband outlets Not true. Other operators like Be* and Pipex are gradually rolling out their own network. It's patchy, it's slow and personally I have grave doubts about it succeeding but it's growing. Time will tell whether or not they can compete with BT or are just blowing hot air. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Linux is only free if your time is worthless
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:33:00 - [19] Originally by: SSgt Sniper Originally by: Kaylana Syi The moment things change to where I have to pay some insane rate to game online I will a) buy a build a gamers reserve on my propery, get a DS3, and then move all my gaming m8s and their families onto it and get the rents worked out to cover it or b) Start using Ham Radio packet transfer to play EVE. Show HAM radio some love! I'll bounce packets off of every satallite I can reach baby! Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
JeanPierre	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:37:00 - [20] Originally by: Kaylana Syi Originally by: SSgt Sniper Originally by: Kaylana Syi The moment things change to where I have to pay some insane rate to game online I will a) buy a build a gamers reserve on my propery, get a DS3, and then move all my gaming m8s and their families onto it and get the rents worked out to cover it or b) Start using Ham Radio packet transfer to play EVE. Show HAM radio some love! I'll bounce packets off of every satallite I can reach baby! EVE on 80M. Having to wait for the weather to be "just so" to play a game. Could add a whole new element to gaming. LOL.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:38:00 - [21] Edited by: Patch86 on 04/12/2006 14:38:21 Originally by: Lojack Girl There arnt as many true ISP's as you think for instance there are only 3 TRUE ISP's in the UK that provide internet faster than 56K: BT Cable Saterlite Uplink <5% Cable is NTL"Virgin Comunications" and Cable. and DSL connections are all offered by BT ie tiscali or pipex just rent of BT and you pay them so anything BT does will effect all of the smaller broadband outlets Actually, BT Wholesale (as they are called) arn't the only company to own DSL Exchanges in the UK- UK Online, Easynet and Carphone Warehouse being notably independent from BT (the latter being the 3rd largest provider in the UK, after buying up AOL UK). The UK is a lot less monopolised on thses things than the US and similar, largely due to a very high population density- a company can reach a whole lot of customers with only a small amount of network infrastructure. One of the reasons the USA is so easy for a ISP to dominate is because everyone is so spread out it takes a considerable investment to reach a much smaller number of customers. Besides, monopoly laws are a lot stricter in the EU than in the US. EDIT: Alternatively, what Andrue said -----------------------------------------------
Merchantigus Minmatar Riot Zone	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:41:00 - [22] If big corpse/the gov decide they are going to do you, you are going to get done... i'll change isps to whoever i have to if/when they do this.
DaRuLe Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:44:00 - [23] Originally by: Patch86 Besides, monopoly laws are a lot stricter in the EU than in the US. EDIT: Alternatively, what Andrue said Obviously they are, I didn't realise that. Overhere the owner of the DSL-network has to allow other ISPs to operate on their network. __________________________________________________________________________
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:54:00 - [24] Originally by: DaRuLe Originally by: Patch86 Besides, monopoly laws are a lot stricter in the EU than in the US. EDIT: Alternatively, what Andrue said Obviously they are, I didn't realise that. Overhere the owner of the DSL-network has to allow other ISPs to operate on their network. When you say "overhere" do you mean US or EU? because if its US, I stand corrected- didn't know that. If its EU though, then yah, tis what I thought. -----------------------------------------------
Plague Black 4S Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:56:00 - [25] Internet is one of the best things that has happened to humanity since it's cradle times. It's up there with fire and steam power. Beats religion or politics by 12334972938 lenghts. If 'they' think they can control it they are up for a big suprise. They might want to control it, they might try to control it but they will never be able to. Oh and all those 'goode-2-shoes' companies... Google, MS and Ebay... if they could they would also love to control IT. Don't get fooled, they are all only after profit. /emote plays his Best of Rage Against The Machine CDs
mrevilbe arrrrrg corp	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:57:00 - [26] lol hate to disapoint you guys but alot of UK isp's already use this system of a tiered service you probably just don't realise it :P....plusnet does it in particular.. but it hasn't worked out well for them they lost hoards of customers because as they were put into the lower tiered bracket they saw standards drop and were unwilling ..or not confident enough to upgrade to a higher quality tier service,....the result is rumored to be that plusnet is to be bought by another isp
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2006.12.04 15:01:00 - [27] Edited by: Andrue on 04/12/2006 15:02:19 Edited by: Andrue on 04/12/2006 15:00:55 Originally by: DaRuLe Originally by: Patch86 Besides, monopoly laws are a lot stricter in the EU than in the US. EDIT: Alternatively, what Andrue said Obviously they are, I didn't realise that. Overhere the owner of the DSL-network has to allow other ISPs to operate on their network. Over here...it's very open. BT have been forced to cooperate and as of recent years seem happy to do so. This has some interesting information: http://www.cbronline.com/article_cbr.asp?guid=DF62BEC1-1F97-4503-88CB-3378493A330E The problem I have with LLU is that everyone (the companies doing it and the users (often the same users that say they can't use less than 100GB a month)) all claim they can offer a better service than BT and for lower cost. All this while rolling out new equipment in exchanges and for some of them new fibre across the country. Yes the UK is smaller than the US (I think the CIA factfile says we have about the same land area as Oregon) but it's still over 4,500 exchanges to wire up. I mean lets look at TalkTalk. Free broadband (ADSL2+ as well so up to 24Mb) for life (okay so it's part of the ú10 a month you pay for everything) but to do it they have to LLU your exchange at an estimated cost (so I've heard) of between ú100,000 and ú300,000. You tell me how that adds up? -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Linux is only free if your time is worthless
DaRuLe Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.04 15:02:00 - [28] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: DaRuLe Originally by: Patch86 Besides, monopoly laws are a lot stricter in the EU than in the US. EDIT: Alternatively, what Andrue said Obviously they are, I didn't realise that. Overhere the owner of the DSL-network has to allow other ISPs to operate on their network. When you say "overhere" do you mean US or EU? because if its US, I stand corrected- didn't know that. If its EU though, then yah, tis what I thought. I meant EU __________________________________________________________________________
EndersGame Amarr Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.04 15:04:00 - [29] I dont ever forsee ISP's charging extra to play online games. ISP's want you to play online games.. they love you playing online games.. because online games use very little bandwidth compared to what you would normally be doing.. IE downloading ****.. or watching movies.. or downloading games.. or streaming a radio station etc... Users that play online games tend to be very anal about there bandwidth while they are playing there games. And if what cyvok says is true.. we are all people in basements living in our mothers house... so yeah...
Polinus	Posted - 2006.12.04 15:06:00 - [30] Originally by: qui arthell That is true, but alot of ISP's have monopoly's in certain areas, hence why some people are still forced to use 56k. Also, if all the ISP's banded together and agreed to do this (which is essentially what they are trying to do) they will all make more money, while they all keep their respective customer bases. This is a major issue that has been floating around for a good while now. glad i live in a country where there is asuperior government agency to classify that as a cartel and punish it severily (last time it hapwened was close to a billion bucks on retribution)

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