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Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.06 09:39:00 - [121] Im flying... 3x Malkuth cruise launcher, 1x impcloak 2x muon damps, 2x T2 sensorbooster 2x bcu-II 2x damp strength rigs
Ian Novarider Aliastra	Posted - 2007.09.06 10:07:00 - [122] Originally by: Sokratesz Im flying... 3x Malkuth cruise launcher, 1x impcloak 2x muon damps, 2x T2 sensorbooster 2x bcu-II 2x damp strength rigs How do you handle interceptors ? Have fun Quote: Ceterum censeo BoB delendam esse.
Isean Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.09.06 10:37:00 - [123] I use 3 arby, 75mm t2 rail, t2 cloak 2 Sensor boosters, fleeting web, and a remote damper a BCU and a fitting rig This way I get all the cruise missile strength and power a normal bomber gets...and most intys dont expect a web on a bomber...and the missiles with the gatling will chew him up if they do. (Havent had an inty get that close since I added the web, but a MWD rifter did NOT like it...at all)
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.06 15:14:00 - [124] Edited by: Sokratesz on 06/09/2007 15:15:03 Originally by: Ian Novarider Originally by: Sokratesz Im flying... 3x Malkuth cruise launcher, 1x impcloak 2x muon damps, 2x T2 sensorbooster 2x bcu-II 2x damp strength rigs How do you handle interceptors ? Have fun Double 70.4% dampener = inty doesnt lock over 3km = i warp. Their speed doesnt allow them to orbit that close with MWD on, and if they do, they get instapopped due to sucky speed.
Ian Novarider Aliastra	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:41:00 - [125] Yes, the muons are a better choice than the T2 variants. Good point about the effective targetting range after damping. Merci Quote: Ceterum censeo BoB delendam esse.
minihak	Posted - 2007.09.25 16:23:00 - [126] Originally by: Victor Ivanov Yes, the Stealth Bombers of this world have to endure a lot of hurtful discrimination. The ignorant bigots of the nation take great pains to keep us down. But in fact, a Stealth Bomber is more than capable of taking down a tier 2 BC by itself. You laugh? Well, I am willing to concede the point that a stealth bomber is best fitted for fleet ops. You need a tackler to keep the enemy in place, or they will be able to warp off. Which is a shame of course. However, properly fitted, the Manticore can not only be quite a valuable asset, but also be tons of fun to play. For me personally, some of my greatest moments in EVE were spent flying in a SB. I never tire of the "What the hell" messages typed in local as I uncloak and blast my unsuspecting victim to smithereens before they have time to react. Now, let's get to fitting, shall we? Highs: 3 x Cruise Launcher. 1 x Cloaking device t2. Meds: 1 x Sensor Booster t2, 2 x Remote Sensor Dampeners, 1 x Target Painter Lows: 1 x BCU, 1 PDU 2 Now, let me elaborate on my reasoning behind this setup. For a SB, there are a few things which are different about my setup. First of all, it lacks a passive targeter, which is commonly used to give you that valuable 2 seconds confusion time, where the enemy is unaware that he is being shot at. However, with 2 dampeners, a ships locking range is decreased by about 75% (A tad less, but let's use round numbers now, shall we?) Most people would also say "Fit as many BCU's on there as you can". In itself, a very valid point. But you must remember that it is a frigate, and thus has very limited CPU and PW. Fitting a second BCU t2 gives you a 1 second faster RoF, and a slightly higher damage. But, it also stops you from using a second dampener and target painter, plus that your cap is going to be absolutely horrid. Thus, we use the target painter to make up for the lack of a second BCU. That works quite well, as a matter of fact. The PDU t2 gives you slightly more hp, slightly more cap and a slightly faster recharge rate. Which is pretty darn nice for a manticore to have. To summarize: Warp in at a 100, cloak. Find a good spot to shoot from, allign to a cluster of celestial objects, uncloak, turn on booster, lock, activate all modules, fire untill enemy either gets dangerously close, dies or warps out. If things get dangerous, cloak or warp out. You should be full speed alligned at all times if engaging an enemy. My two cents. Hope it helped. :) 2 BCU dont stop you from using a second dampener and target painter plus you have more the enogf cap to use ALL youre modules.
Will Gence	Posted - 2007.10.11 08:43:00 - [127] Handle an Inty? I gess - you can't do that without TWO Webber - reasons: An Inty reach normaly something around 7 km/s (till 12 km/s!!! - some people say much more(?)). With ONE Webber you can take it down to 900 m/s (till 1,4 km/s). Fine thing - the Inty need a MWD to reach this speed - its singnature grow up to 200 m (said quickfit). Bad thing - explosiv velocity of (my) CM is 700 m/s - means the damage would'nt reach the target. A second webber take the speed down to (?) less 200 m/s. What can your CM do? Explosiv rad. 36 m (real good when Intys MWD is working -> 200 m rad; bad if not -> 16 m) Explosiv velocity 700 m/s (fury much more 1,5 km/s) Missile speed with rigs and skills you can reach 7,5 km/s Damage (Faction CM) 589 HP with race bonus 707 (1 BCS II and some skills) Rate of fire (Arbis)13,94 s (me). That means: First step: Surprise!!! Second: You catch him with your webber(s), he'll try to leave your webber ranger with MWD and, step three, you can kill him with one shot (3x CM -> + 2100 HP -> Fury much less 1300 HP may be its not enought, because you can't shoot twice - surviving your first round he'll warp out). But: You can't hit a running Inty. And you can't kill an attentive Inty pilot. Furtunately most of them believe they are invulnarable and you can't hit them anyway .
Opertone	Posted - 2007.10.11 22:35:00 - [128] awefull you all! sniper manticore setup (skill = lvl 4, lvl 5) CN cruise missile x 3, DG cloaking device, salvager 1 (offline) // CN cruise missiles (kin, therm, em) SS sensor booster, ship scanner, cargo scanner, civilian shield booster CN BCUs x2 WCC tech 2 x1, missile explosion velocity rig x1 -- cost: 1 billion, good pie for a gate camper's birthday, other wise put the salvage on when you actualled have killed something I lost two of this to rats, so don't ask me why I salavge belt rats in 1 bill manticore. manticore 0.0 setup tech 1 cruise x3, prototype tech 2 cloaking device, remote burger cutter (when you friends wants a bruger) sensor dampener tech 1 x 3 overdrive injector tech 2 x2 ---- 30 manticores = 1 bill "." that's what you get in 0.0
Firstookami	Posted - 2007.10.26 17:37:00 - [129] i use this setup in pvp (solo AND in gang ) *HIGHT :* arbalest cruise launcher : caldari navy paradise cruise missile arbalest cruise launcher : caldari navy wrath cruise missile arbalest cruise launcher : caldari navy wrath cruise missile *MED :* 2 x phased muon sensor distruptor 1 x F-90 positional sensor subroutines 1 x fleeting propultion inhibitor (or passive targeter or a seconf F-90 ) *low :* balistic control unit II overdrive injector II *rigs :* 2 x warhead flar catalyst I ----------------------------------------- wrath cruise missile with lower skills : radius = 45 M velocity = 5250 m/s explo velocity = 950 m/s damages = 642.735 >>> it's suffisant for kill interceptor , interdictor , other bomber and many frigates t2 but don't try with cruiser or more ^_^
Big Zulu Minmatar Iron Eagles	Posted - 2007.11.05 09:40:00 - [130] Originally by: Firstookami i use this setup in pvp (solo AND in gang ) *HIGHT :* arbalest cruise launcher : caldari navy paradise cruise missile arbalest cruise launcher : caldari navy wrath cruise missile arbalest cruise launcher : caldari navy wrath cruise missile *MED :* 2 x phased muon sensor distruptor 1 x F-90 positional sensor subroutines 1 x fleeting propultion inhibitor (or passive targeter or a seconf F-90 ) *low :* balistic control unit II overdrive injector II *rigs :* 2 x warhead flar catalyst I ----------------------------------------- wrath cruise missile with lower skills : radius = 45 M velocity = 5250 m/s explo velocity = 950 m/s damages = 642.735 >>> it's suffisant for kill interceptor , interdictor , other bomber and many frigates t2 but don't try with cruiser or more ^_^ Inty > Stealth bomber Your cruise missiles will do 0.0 dmg per hit if its orbiting @ 18 km. Also why woold you spen 200 mill on a frig with no tank at all? _________ I has bree..

Clarisia Vixonia Canadia Security Institute PROBABLE CAUSE	Posted - 2007.11.12 02:41:00 - [131] Stealth bombers are ment to be hit and run ships, to that end the full fill thier role very well. A decent SB pilot can get past any gate camp as well as a buzzard can, and is very good at avoiding being targeted. The reasoning behind using target damps and passive targeters is so that you can decloak, fire a volley, then cloak again. if you have enough range and your target is stupid enough to stick around you can get several shots off and down cruisers or recons, but that can be very risky as recons often do not fly alone. A small gang of bombers can decimate a **** load of ships using bombs, and take out BS's using CM's with out a problem. Stealth bombers do not suck; I don't understand why everyone seems to think they do. They are extreme offensive weapons, the fact that they can be insta poped by nearly anything doesn't matter because they are (key word here) STEALTH bombers. they may as well have 1 shield 1 armor and 1 hull.
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Empire Research	Posted - 2007.11.16 16:30:00 - [132] 1x Bomb Launcher Warp the ** out. _____________________________ Thorek Ironbrow of Ironbrow Industries Co. Part of the Empire Research Alliance Look us up in Nomaa, Itamo, or Sobaseki** to jo
Doosh Bagitis THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2007.11.20 06:41:00 - [133] Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Sensor Booster II Sensor Booster II Sensor Booster II Passive Targeter I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I Improved 'Guise' Cloaking Device II [empty high slot] Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I there's 2700 damage in 1 volley and 240 DPS. Your optimal range is 223km and you lock at 240, rather quickly too. there is fun to be had with this setup. with the right skills of course.
Bahubali	Posted - 2007.11.24 16:16:00 - [134] after reading all these 5 pages, i could only find one setup to my liking 3 CML 1 Cloak 2 SB 2 RSD 2 BCU thats it, no rigs and stuff cause i can't afford it :)
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.24 17:30:00 - [135] Originally by: Bahubali after reading all these 5 pages, i could only find one setup to my liking 3 CML 1 Cloak 2 SB 2 RSD 2 BCU thats it, no rigs and stuff cause i can't afford it :) Aye thats basically it..i found a way to mount 3x arbalest, using the 1% cpu implant. 3x arby cruise, 1x impcloak II 2x f-90 sb, 2x muon damp 2x BCU-II 2x inverted signal field projector not overly expensive, 50mil-ish and has 2800 alpha and roughly 260DPS. Sig removed for the third time, inappropriate content. Sig Locked. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Puffjelo Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2007.11.28 22:29:00 - [136] Does anyone actually have a pure bomber (i.e. not missile) Manticore setup? Do Ballistic Control Units give damange bonus to bombs?
Impolite Andevil The Shadow Knights Division of Eden	Posted - 2007.11.29 00:38:00 - [137] Originally by: Puffjelo Does anyone actually have a pure bomber (i.e. not missile) Manticore setup? Do Ballistic Control Units give damange bonus to bombs? Since bombs absolutely suck right now (20 mil per shot, usually a suicide run, rarely kill 20 mil of ships even if perfectly placed and you get away), no. We have to wait until Trinity for bombs to be useful.
Bourgeoisvio	Posted - 2007.11.29 17:18:00 - [138] Just starting to fly bombers, so this is a total noob question but what is the purpose of fitting a passive targeter on a stealth bomber?
Kaaii Caldari Kaaii-Net Research Labs	Posted - 2007.11.29 18:28:00 - [139] Originally by: Bourgeoisvio Just starting to fly bombers, so this is a total noob question but what is the purpose of fitting a passive targeter on a stealth bomber? When your life expectencey is measured in 10ths of seconds, every lil 10th you aren't noticed, helps... According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
TRYPTIC The Flaming Sideburn's Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.11.29 18:29:00 - [140] Bourgeoisvio, that gives the manticore a few extra seconds to uncloak, target, launch, and maybe recloak while your hapless victim is saying "what the farg, I don't see a lock blinker". Passive targeters allow you to lock a target without alerting your enemy that he's been targeted. I'm intrigued with the target painter idea...gonna go try that. It'll prolly help against those pesky 'ceptors. Regards, Tryp

Kermis Caldari The Ankou The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:21:00 - [141] So, now that damps have been nerfed, is it still worth it to fit them in the mids? -- Hope is the first step on the road to dissapointment.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:42:00 - [142] I haven'' flown it since patch yet..but i'm guessing same setup with 1x range 1x scan res script on the boosters, and 2x range script on the dampeners. Originally by: ISD Cortes You're at liberty to use the rolling sig you had, as long as there's no chimeras covering the nether regions of voluptuous females.
Footinface	Posted - 2007.12.15 12:06:00 - [143] Yes, I know it looks like an awful setup. But trust me, it really works. With a Manticore, you aren't actually going to kill anything, so your main objective should be to minimize your losses when it inevitably gets blown up. This is actually a pretty good ship for killing logged out pods. Cloak and hide until all the shooting is over, then scan the pods and squish them. And unlike your covert ops friends, you won't care when you fly it into a gate camp and wake up back in empire. Killing logged out pods??? what are you,9 years old? did you get hurt by older kids in shool? you probably like to stomp ants too.
Stavro Mueller Caldari 2000 Corp	Posted - 2007.12.24 11:18:00 - [144] I use... 3 Launchers, 1 cloak 3 SB, stuff 2 BCU One/two volleys any ceptor, just chose your targets. Stav.
Maya Lingno	Posted - 2008.01.01 01:17:00 - [145] well... if some of u stll mean that Stealth Bombers suck ->2007.12.20 23:23:00 Victim: Incog Neato Alliance: The Kano Organisation Corp: Agronards Haulage Company Destroyed: Iteron Mark III System: Daran Security: 0.2 Damage Taken: 2121 Involved parties: Name: 0SpaceRaider0 (laid the final blow) Security: 4.2 Alliance: Soul of Fountain Corp: HEAVY PROSPECT UNION Ship: Manticore Weapon: Wrath Cruise Missile Damage Done: 2121 Destroyed items: Energy Neutralizing Battery (Cargo) Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners ECM Burst I in front of a POS, they had a Ares with few fighters, a Falcon and their Carrier there. do this with a cruiser and u r good. btw... Happy new Year
ARGH69	Posted - 2008.01.01 06:31:00 - [146] Originally by: Maya Lingno well... if some of u stll mean that Stealth Bombers suck ->2007.12.20 23:23:00 Victim: Incog Neato Alliance: The Kano Organisation Corp: Agronards Haulage Company Destroyed: Iteron Mark III System: Daran Security: 0.2 Damage Taken: 2121 Involved parties: Name: 0SpaceRaider0 (laid the final blow) Security: 4.2 Alliance: Soul of Fountain Corp: HEAVY PROSPECT UNION Ship: Manticore Weapon: Wrath Cruise Missile Damage Done: 2121 Destroyed items: Energy Neutralizing Battery (Cargo) Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners ECM Burst I in front of a POS, they had a Ares with few fighters, a Falcon and their Carrier there. do this with a cruiser and u r good. btw... Happy new Year one volley popped it? were you using all kinetic missiles? faction ones? what was your setup?
Andreask14 Alterum - Infinitus - Fabula Dragons Of Oceans	Posted - 2008.01.04 21:46:00 - [147] Manticore Setup Low Inertia Stabilizers I Inertia Stabilizers I Med Sensor Booster I Sensor Booster I Remote Sensor Dampener I Remote Sensor Dampener I High Bomb Launcher I, Concussion Bomb Improved Cloaking Device II Small Graviton Smartbomb I Small Graviton Smartbomb I Small Graviton Smartbomb I Rigs Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Low Friction Nozzle Joints I This is from EFT and it aligns in 5 seconds, meaning that you can fly in cloaked, drop the bomb(s) and warp out before they explode or anything bigger than a frig locks you. The Smartbombs are for popping incoming missiles and drones. I am currently still training to fly a Manti, but i calculated that you can drop 7 (!) bombs of the same dam type in one 15km radius and achieve a total volley damage of 56k (!!!) before the bombs blow each other up. This means that a squad of Manties can effectively field half a DDD!!! As for the price of the bombs, i figured that one can just buy a BPO from the NPCs, scince they are tech 1, it costs only 180 mils and you can manufacture a bomb for roughly 5 mils worth of minerals, and it looks like they are worth it in the end, even as a suicide bomber.
Amon Relic Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.11 18:48:00 - [148] T2 Manticore fits. I realise phased muon are favourite for the sensor damps but the price of them is ridiculous! These fits comes in at approx. one third of the cost of a fit using two phased muons, two f90 sensor boosters, 2 BCU II and 3 x arby. High: Cruise Launcher II x 3 (Wrath Precision Cruise Missiles) Improved Cloaking Device II Med: Cap Recharger II Sensor Booster II (Scan Resolution Script) Remote Sensor Damper II x 2 Low: Co-processor II Ballistic Control System II Targetting and missile range 84km (with missile projection/bombardment L5 skills), volley damage 1673. -or- High: Cruise Launcher II x 3 (Wrath Cruise Missiles) Improved Cloaking Device II Med: Cap Recharger II Sensor Booster II (Targetting Range Script) Remote Sensor Damper II x 2 Low: Co-processor II Ballistic Control System II Targetting range 140km and missile range 168km (with L5 missile projection/bombardment skills), volley damage 1931. Cap should run forever with damps and booster running (with L5 energy management/operation skills). Should run for approx. 4 mins with L4 energy skills. Cargo bay with both missile and script types would allow for easy switching between range and precision cruises. Any thoughts anyone?
Arlic0 Caldari Priory Of The Lemon R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.15 10:13:00 - [149] Originally by: Amon Relic T2 Manticore fits. I realise phased muon are favourite for the sensor damps but the price of them is ridiculous! These fits comes in at approx. one third of the cost of a fit using two phased muons, two f90 sensor boosters, 2 BCU II and 3 x arby. High: Cruise Launcher II x 3 (Wrath Precision Cruise Missiles) Improved Cloaking Device II Med: Cap Recharger II Sensor Booster II (Scan Resolution Script) Remote Sensor Damper II x 2 Low: Co-processor II Ballistic Control System II Targetting and missile range 84km (with missile projection/bombardment L5 skills), volley damage 1673. -or- High: Cruise Launcher II x 3 (Wrath Cruise Missiles) Improved Cloaking Device II Med: Cap Recharger II Sensor Booster II (Targetting Range Script) Remote Sensor Damper II x 2 Low: Co-processor II Ballistic Control System II Targetting range 140km and missile range 168km (with L5 missile projection/bombardment skills), volley damage 1931. Cap should run forever with damps and booster running (with L5 energy management/operation skills). Should run for approx. 4 mins with L4 energy skills. Cargo bay with both missile and script types would allow for easy switching between range and precision cruises. Any thoughts anyone? I like your first fit, and I agree on the prices of phased muons. Anyone using bombs since trinity? Was thinking about trying it now since they are significantly cheaper (10 mil or so).
Kari Daala Daala Spaceworks	Posted - 2008.01.23 15:34:00 - [150] It really depends on what kind of targets you want to engage. A few bombers can add a lot of DPS to a fleet fight if used right, if you have multiple bombers, fit a few with damps and a few with webs. Personally: 3x Arbalest (Limos to save ISK) with CN Wrath, 1x Improved Cloak II 2x Sensor Boosters IIs w/ Range, 1x Fleeting Web or T2, 1x Small Extender II 2x BCU IIs DPS with max skills: 243 Volley: 2659 Range: 96 km Bombers are all about volley damage, ROF isn't important. You always, always want to use faction missiles. Feel free to rig it as well if you have the ISK. If you have multiple bombers, fit half with damps (with range script), half with webs/extenders and keep the webbers closer to the main fleet so if any tacklers come in, they will approach the webbing bombers first. Damp the crap out of any inties, web them and one volley them. Once they are webbed, they will die in one volley. If they realize whats going on, they will run away, shoot them as the turn around. You can use a bomber for solo work also, just replace the extender for a 24km scram, and choose your targets wisely. My general rule is: if you can't kill it in two volleys, don't shoot it.



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