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Ryan Scouse'UK	Posted - 2006.12.05 19:34:00 - [1] Edited by: Ryan Scouse''UK on 05/12/2006 19:35:07 Right you had ur patch on Tue.. Its still not changed the loot there still empty wrecks.. CCP you have KIlled Eve mission runners dreams for looting.. its not even worth To loot half the level 4s given the time it takes only to find what maybe 1million of loot? we want higher or better loot drops on missions & no more Empty wrecks FFS>.. /Sign
Rafein Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.05 19:38:00 - [2] they didn;t change how often loot drops, nor should they, level 4's are already worth it enough. It's just not everyt used to drop a can. And if they didn;t dtop a can, they still leave a wreck. Sides, Dev says they are working on a way to see if a wreck has anything lootable before you even open it, shown with an Icon. Sides, if you were really serious of looting for profit, you would be out there salvaging anyway, cause you can sell the parts as well.
Ryan Scouse'UK	Posted - 2006.12.05 19:42:00 - [3] Originally by: Rafein they didn;t change how often loot drops, nor should they, level 4's are already worth it enough. It's just not everyt used to drop a can. And if they didn;t dtop a can, they still leave a wreck. Sides, Dev says they are working on a way to see if a wreck has anything lootable before you even open it, shown with an Icon. Sides, if you were really serious of looting for profit, you would be out there salvaging anyway, cause you can sell the parts as well. are you kidding didnt you read on forums about NPC mission rats drop less Salvaging Loot then belt rats.. or complex rats etc etc... the Salvaging on missions is sumthing like 10% .. & yes i kknow not every Rat dropped a can .. but i.e last night .. 8 battleships killed only 2 had loot.. both were yes I repeat .. 1 x 10MW.. in each can.. I mean WTF? .. are they taken the ** with this.. But yes there should be icons to tell you if wrecks have loot in them or not be4 you lock / tractor them in .. its just wastes so much time.. there should be a option between just looting & looting + salvaging .. not this second Guess SH that waste to much of are time.
Alejandro Zapata Minmatar PAK	Posted - 2006.12.05 20:09:00 - [4] Originally by: Ryan Scouse'UK Originally by: Rafein ... are you kidding didnt you read on forums about NPC mission rats drop less Salvaging Loot then belt rats.. or complex rats etc etc... the Salvaging on missions is sumthing like 10% .. & yes i kknow not every Rat dropped a can .. but i.e last night .. 8 battleships killed only 2 had loot.. both were yes I repeat .. 1 x 10MW.. in each can.. I mean WTF? .. are they taken the ** with this.. But yes there should be icons to tell you if wrecks have loot in them or not be4 you lock / tractor them in .. its just wastes so much time.. there should be a option between just looting & looting + salvaging .. not this second Guess SH that waste to much of are time. Ryan, Pirate faction BS have had a very low drop rate for a long time, in and out of deadspace. If half of the NPC BSs I kill in missions drop loot, I am HAPPY. If they don't, then bleh, that is the way it is, and has been since way before Revelations. Nothing has changed with loot as far as I have been able to tell. Certain types of mission rats have near 100% drop rates, while other have a very low drop rate. Again, people are seeing fields of wrecks and believe they have hit the motherload of loot. And I have been reading the forum posts, but more importantly, I HAVE BEEN DOING MISSIONS and looting them. Give CCP a break, and have some sort of perspective when you complain.
Sunar SunRunner Caldari Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.12.05 20:34:00 - [5] I am not seeing the mother load on loot from wrecks, we are talking practical observations. I am seeing that before Kali. If I ran any of the larger missions I would come back with a Raven Load(650m3) of loot. Most of it was not worth selling, I melted it down and turned around and used it to fuel my Ammo and cap charger BPO's. Now I run a mission and I come back with MAYBE 100m3 of loot. Getting some nice named loot drops is nice and all, I am talking about the fact that I used to run mission and I would come back with a cargo hold full of stuff to melt down for minerals. Now not only have I not seen a single named module since Kali release the most I loot I have gotten outta mission is 250m3(outta all stages of Angel Extravaganza). That that's tractoring EVERY SINGLE wreck to me checking it and then popping a cruise missile in it to clear it off and it only took me 3 hours to do it YAY.
Ryan Scouse'UK	Posted - 2006.12.05 21:26:00 - [6] Originally by: Sunar SunRunner I am not seeing the mother load on loot from wrecks, we are talking practical observations. I am seeing that before Kali. If I ran any of the larger missions I would come back with a Raven Load(650m3) of loot. Most of it was not worth selling, I melted it down and turned around and used it to fuel my Ammo and cap charger BPO's. Now I run a mission and I come back with MAYBE 100m3 of loot. Getting some nice named loot drops is nice and all, I am talking about the fact that I used to run mission and I would come back with a cargo hold full of stuff to melt down for minerals. Now not only have I not seen a single named module since Kali release the most I loot I have gotten outta mission is 250m3(outta all stages of Angel Extravaganza). That that's tractoring EVERY SINGLE wreck to me checking it and then popping a cruise missile in it to clear it off and it only took me 3 hours to do it YAY. Alejandro Zapata I understand.. were ya coming from but me & rise.. as posted above.. understand BS never dropped loot all the time yes I been running missions more then 3months cheers.. infact.. I ran the same level 4s that many times when I used my looter ship I would check how much m3 I would get from the mission .. at June on a certain type of mission "Dont need to say" I Would get 1090m3 of Loot or there about... then after a patch in June which nerfed missions a little I was gettin 910m3 of loot.. be4 the Rev patch it was down to 840m3 of Loot.. & now with this Rev patch SH/// am lookin at 400m3 of Loot.. as wrecks & there Salavage crap .. are taken up loot space... so this is what am complaining about ... Wrecks have Destoryed Looting... they take far to much time... & they give very little in return at the moment..
DiuxDium The Graduates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:22:00 - [7] 1) Wrecks turn "Greyish" when looted. 2) Loot tables are dandy 3) Quit whinning 4) Quit trolling 5) Sun Chips are tasty. p.s Where did I misplace my 'free isk' button. I make sigs for free. Do eve-mail me if you're intested.
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.06 00:37:00 - [8] go play in belts and low sec lots a loot These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Kesh McCall Caldari Malkalen Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.06 02:57:00 - [9] Dont know what the problem is. I just finished a LV 4 Guristas Extravaganza. Loot was around 6800m3. Some named stuff, around 40 - 60 Salvaged modules and ALOT of common stuff. Even before today the loot was ok, it was just a pain tagging everything or shooting looted wrecks. But if you know what youre doing its not that hard. Sure you cant go along with your BS and check every Wreck, well get a Hauler or Fast frig with Tractors to help you out. We did it with 3 people and it doesent took us any longer then before with cans.
Dvaren Caldari Seven Suns	Posted - 2006.12.06 03:52:00 - [10] There is less loot. Period. Every day, for almost a year, I've looted every mission I've done. I know exactly how much loot I get on average. I remember quite clearly buying ship after ship in an effort to find that balance between speed, agility, and cargo space. The ship I have now, that I have been using for 2 months, is 85% empty after every looting. This is including salvaging every wreck. I could easily go back to using a destroyer to loot at the current rate. As for those of you that have swept up "2500m3!" and "6000m3!"....congratulations. This seems to be the anamoly, not the norm. I grow weary of the "loot hasn't changed" responses. "The increased number of wrecks is clouding your judgement!". "Battleships only dropped loot 50% of the time!". Oh please. I judge by the cubic meter sitting in my cargo hold, not some cloudy notion of how many "cans" I previously saw. There is less cubic meters. That means there is less loot.
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.06 04:22:00 - [11] i can confirm the higher the sec status of the system youre agent is in the less loot ( 0.0 agents drop a lot of loot , low sec still has solid loot 0.5 is acceptible might wanna relocate there) These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Sokratesz Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.12.06 07:13:00 - [12] Aye they seem to drop somewhat less loot then again i can now sit there and tear apart their wrecks looking for anything to salvage... Basilisk Fitting Link
Ryan Scouse'UK	Posted - 2006.12.06 08:55:00 - [13] Edited by: Ryan Scouse''UK on 06/12/2006 08:57:03 Originally by: Miss Overlord i can confirm the higher the sec status of the system youre agent is in the less loot ( 0.0 agents drop a lot of loot , low sec still has solid loot 0.5 is acceptible might wanna relocate there) My Sec is 0.5 in empire.. but yes il have to agree I also run missions in low sec & the loot is alot better even be4 Rev patch .. , but with the new probes i am forced back to empire at the moment.. DiuxDium The Graduates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate - is really no need for post in this thread if ya cant think of anything bettter then to call it a whine... were talking about loot in m3.. & yes it has changed alot in the last 8months or so... I just feel sorry for the new comers of eve.. who never got chance to make lots of isk while it was hmm not great.. but defo not this poor Sh** we have now..
administrator man	Posted - 2006.12.06 09:10:00 - [14] yes the mission loot has gone down and of course the m3 has gone down (check how much ammo and cap charges you can fit in your cargo now the volumes have changed) Besides which there are buy orders out there for salvage items at 400-500k a piece.
Grey Area Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.06 09:52:00 - [15] Edited by: Grey Area on 06/12/2006 09:54:15 Originally by: Kesh McCall Dont know what the problem is. I just finished a LV 4 Guristas Extravaganza. Loot was around 6800m3 Let me just stop you there. I did this EXACT mission last night, including the bonus stage, and looted 2000 m3, of which some 100m3 was salvage. it took me (solo) four hours. Of the loot that I got, the ONLY named module was a Ditrigonal Thermal Hardener. Anyone saying loot has not been nerfed either hasn't seen it since Revelations, didn't see it BEFORE Revelations, or has some other agenda. --- I don't mind you disagreeing with me. Just don't say I don't have the SKILLS to comment until you've looked at them.
Majutsu Caldari S.Y.N.D	Posted - 2006.12.06 09:55:00 - [16] Since patch: Arby Heavy Launcher Arby Heavy Launcher Arby Heavy Assault Launcher 27.5 mill Hardwiring implant +4 Charisma implant Plus loads of other stuff, the usual crap and at least 10 or 12 items worth 1-2 mill each. Plus the 82.5 mill above. Might not sound great, but that's from a total of 7 missions, all level 3. I'm not complaining. Sig goes here
Grey Area Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.06 10:02:00 - [17] What the HOLY HECK drops a +4 implant on a level THREE mission? --- I don't mind you disagreeing with me. Just don't say I don't have the SKILLS to comment until you've looked at them.
Majutsu Caldari S.Y.N.D	Posted - 2006.12.06 10:07:00 - [18] Some agent guy in a battleship This mission said I had to talk to him, not kill him. But I talked to him then killed him anyway, didn't effect the mission any. I'll look up the name later I'm at work now, I'm new to L3's so I don't remember it. Sig goes here
Grey Area Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.06 10:11:00 - [19] That sounds more like a Cosmos mission...we're talking about ordinary, run of the mill missions...of course I may be wrong...name of the mission will help. --- I don't mind you disagreeing with me. Just don't say I don't have the SKILLS to comment until you've looked at them.
Majutsu Caldari S.Y.N.D	Posted - 2006.12.06 10:17:00 - [20] It's in normal high sec space, 10 part mission. The Battleship is at the start of part 6 or 7, I didn't finish the mission, hoping he's gonna be there again after DT so I'll check him out again. Worth losing the time bonus for. Sig goes here
Rafein Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.06 10:24:00 - [21] Angel strike. And good man, he will return to the scene of the crime.
BigWhale Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.06 11:10:00 - [22] I would say, that less loot balances with more salvage items.
Letri Bimmet Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.06 11:28:00 - [23] I'm seeing it too with missioning... Some types of rats always had little loot in their cans/wrecks. With rats like serps you'd mostly be lucky to get anything over 10k. But rats like mercenarys always, and I mean always had good loot before the patch. With some missions involving mercs I managed to take away more than 8 mill worth of loot but most of the time around 4 mill worth. (and i don't mean 1 item worth 8 mill...I mean alot of items worth around 200/800k) Now after the patch I'm lucky to grab 1 mill worth of loot from a merc mission. I'm not even going into serp missions anymore cause they don't drop anything...no loot...just wrecks. I really need to get this salvaging skill up and running
Slevin Kalebra	Posted - 2006.12.06 11:44:00 - [24] I think loot drops have decreased in quantity a bit as well. The total M^3 of recovered salvage per mission seems to be generally less than prior to Revelations. Not only that but, as it's taking longer to loot each mission, there's less loot overall at the end of the day's work. What I really hate is ABing 100km across a mission area to loot / salvage an empty wreck The 'You have successfully salvaged but unfortunately this wreck didn't contain anything' message makes me want to kill puppies. Please... think of the poor puppies and remove the completely empty wrecks. Right now it's taking longer to lot some missions than it does to complete them (and that's using a dedicated looting ship).
Majutsu Caldari S.Y.N.D	Posted - 2006.12.06 13:08:00 - [25] Just popped onto check that BS out again after DT (16 fps on office laptop ftw!) No implants but a couple of nice guns and a few other bits, still probs 3/4 mills worth. Sig goes here
Lrrp Minmatar Gallente Mercantile Exchange	Posted - 2006.12.06 13:59:00 - [26] I loot just about every mission. The big difference is that every npc leaves a wreck, where-as before they did not, so the impression may be that there is less loot due to the number of wrecks that are empty. Want to collect loot fast? Get a destroyer. Fit 3-4 tractors on it and suck those wrecks in close. Want to salvage faster? Get your salvage skills up AND put 3-4 salvager 1's on that Destroyer. Now get to work and start building up your hoard of salvaged parts. First rigs on the market will be selling for a pretty piece.
Slevin Kalebra	Posted - 2006.12.06 14:44:00 - [27] Originally by: Lrrp Want to collect loot fast? Get a destroyer. Fit 3-4 tractors on it and suck those wrecks in close. Want to salvage faster? Get your salvage skills up AND put 3-4 salvager 1's on that Destroyer. Now get to work and start building up your hoard of salvaged parts. First rigs on the market will be selling for a pretty piece. It still takes a long time to check all the wrecks and collect all the loot, especially if you intend to salvage all the wrecks... if you're not going to salvage then you can fit a cargo scanner and ping the wrecks from 50km away to check if they're worth looting... if not, then mark them as viewed (new right click option), but if you are salvaging then you have to get up close (under 5km) to activate the modules. I've been salvaging since Revelations was released and I've got about as fast at looting salvage as it's possible to be (salvage 4 skill, 4 tractors, 4 salvagers, MWD fitted destroyer) but it still takes longer to salvage the mission than to complete it. There are far too many completely empty wrecks. As for my hoard of salvaged parts... it's getting there, but I still don't have enough of the right components to build even one rig.
Thomas Maleficus Caldari Monkeys With Syphilis	Posted - 2006.12.06 15:17:00 - [28] Quote: 1) Wrecks turn "Greyish" when looted. 2) Loot tables are dandy 3) Quit whinning 4) Quit trolling 5) Sun Chips are tasty. Here here! Except the Garden Salsa Flavour. And yeah looting sucked before Rev and still sucks, go to 0.0 belts where everything drops loot. Pirates stole my signature.
Brimful Minmatar Duct Tape Brigadiers	Posted - 2006.12.06 16:15:00 - [29] Originally by: Dvaren There is less loot. Period. Every day, for almost a year, I've looted every mission I've done. I know exactly how much loot I get on average. I remember quite clearly buying ship after ship in an effort to find that balance between speed, agility, and cargo space. The ship I have now, that I have been using for 2 months, is 85% empty after every looting. This is including salvaging every wreck. I could easily go back to using a destroyer to loot at the current rate. As for those of you that have swept up "2500m3!" and "6000m3!"....congratulations. This seems to be the anamoly, not the norm. I grow weary of the "loot hasn't changed" responses. "The increased number of wrecks is clouding your judgement!". "Battleships only dropped loot 50% of the time!". Oh please. I judge by the cubic meter sitting in my cargo hold, not some cloudy notion of how many "cans" I previously saw. There is less cubic meters. That means there is less loot. This is exactly what I experience too... And the less total m3 of the loot dont depend on the ammo taking less space now... they didnt take much space before either.. the few 100's of rounds or missiles, you usually get... the normal loot still takes about 5 or 10 m3... Main Entry: brim+ful Pronunciation: 'brim-'ful, -"ful Function: adjective : full to the brim : ready to overflow
Shinshi Casoyako	Posted - 2006.12.06 16:31:00 - [30] Did you know that the size of your missiles have been halved? If pre patch you had 600 m3 in missiles you now have 300m3 in missiles. If you are a missile spammer than this my account for a part of the lower m3 you get into your belly. (torps drops and other missile drops have been halved) Battleship in the known missions had a drop rate of about 20% to 40%, this in my experience havent changed. The loot drops in the wrecks havent been worse or better in my experience. I havent recieved a civilian drop in a battleship as of late. If (and thats a big if) drops have been decreased than its not really notecable. What someone said before in this thread, you see 20 wrecks and go omg so many cans? And than its an actuall disappointment if not all have loot or salvage materials. Still in the end I did get more m3 loot in unauterized militairy presence. Have fun flying. . Seriously Have I Not Said How I Can Assist Some One You Are Killing Online?

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