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Cyrus Graham
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.06 05:40:00 -
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With a few exceptions, the only fun I had in WoW PvE was due to my being a roleplayer. The quests helped to expand lore(curse you, Blizzard, for breaking Warcraft lore so horribly to "balance" the game), but other than that they were tedious in the extreme. Imagine Worlds Collide. Now imagine that the Heron at the end of the mission only has a 2% chance of actually containing the surviving crewmembers. If it didn't you now have to wait for respawn and go back through the mission again. That would be a proper WoWification of an Eve mission.
For non-quest PvE, look at mining. In Eve, you go to an asteroid field and mine, occasionally fending off rats. If the 'roid field is empty, no big deal. There are several per system. In WoW, you go running around the countryside, HOPING that someone hasn't already farmed all the ore in the area, because you ran(or rode on a mount) across the world to get to an area that actually has the ore you want, and it'll be hours or even days before the ore respawns. Blizzard seems to be under the impression that extreme frustration is good PvE. I won't even go into the raid game...
Oh, and if you want to REALLY see the seedy underbelly of WoW PvE, play horde.
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Merchantigus
Minmatar
Riot Zone
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Posted - 2006.12.06 06:10:00 -
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Edited by: Merchantigus on 06/12/2006 06:18:59
Edited by: Merchantigus on 06/12/2006 06:17:43
lol wow....just wow... sometimes no other word works and no more can be thought of.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/105572/page/5
please just leave it be though. i think i did a fine job over there.
These people are the reason i'm glad wow exist and eve is somewhat small. eve is what it is.
some hate it and leave some hate it and stay for whatever reason while *****ing on the forums and some worship it.
As i said over there i think the phrase "cult classic" applies but on an mmo scale :)
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how do you guys think i did? <----maninthebox
after fighting with pirates and others on the forums here shutting up wow "fanbois" wasn't that hard :/
Now if only that retarded pile of nubsauce on the eve section would stop bumping his retarded post i could stop bothering over there for a while.
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Merchantigus
Minmatar
Riot Zone
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Posted - 2006.12.06 07:45:00 -
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GODDAMN SON! i've never ever seen so much stupid in my entire life. i'm glad that place and wow exist. they keep the trash from pouring into eve and clogging up it's gutters.
"Bah. waste of my time.
yes sure you guys win we're a cult of conspirators that join together to spam the mmorpg voting pool while being outnumberd thousands to one and see nothing but tiny dots the whole time we play the game...please please post hard enough and perhaps the good people of eve will continue to be able to enjoy our lame dot game in peace.
I've said all i'm going to say. if people buy your crap it will do well to keep the people that eve isn't right for next to the people that believe the "eve only has 30k subscribers" post."
My parting words i've wasted enough time i have some mining to do.
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.12.06 11:03:00 -
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Heh, those MMORPG.com nubbins seem to think that DS is a dev 
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.06 12:23:00 -
[65]
 Originally by: Verus Potestas
Heh, those MMORPG.com nubbins seem to think that DS is a dev
Don't we all? 
Nah, I'm just kidding. What is he, like a Moderator or something?
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JP Ryan
venus divine brotherhood
Dark Forces Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.06 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Merchantigus
i say we bring a fleet of titans over to elf land and show them how it's done 
Yay, good plan! Let's go!
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"You're #24 in queue ..."
jk, but I'll abstain from voting.
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Ralkuth
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Posted - 2006.12.06 18:17:00 -
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Sure,
I'll vote for Eve as soon as they fix all
the stupid changes they made in the last "upgrade".
What happened, did CCP get bought out by EA?
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Keira Skywatcher
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Posted - 2006.12.06 19:33:00 -
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Eve deserves to do well here but Best PvE? That is a joke tbh... from the small pool of missions we have, most are boring and repetitive, while the lag created by the amount of ships & objects in some missions creates an exercise in frustration.
On top of this the loot is constantly being nerfed and reduced, while the time to collect loot & salvage is increasing.
And at least in WOW you can join a gang to help you without worry of someone using an exploit to kill you, as demonstrated by lofty
Best PVE - absolutely not, PVP, yes
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.06 22:10:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Keira Skywatcher
Eve deserves to do well here but Best PvE? That is a joke tbh... from the small pool of missions we have, most are boring and repetitive, while the lag created by the amount of ships & objects in some missions creates an exercise in frustration.
Level 4 combat missions are a tiny fraction of PvE in EVE.
Originally by: Keira Skywatcher
On top of this the loot is constantly being nerfed and reduced, while the time to collect loot & salvage is increasing.
This is a bug that is being fixed next week.
Originally by: Keira Skywatcher
And at least in WOW you can join a gang to help you without worry of someone using an exploit to kill you, as demonstrated by lofty
Yes, you can join a gang without anyone killing you. Its called using common sense (i.e. NOT LETTING THEM BE THE LEADER DUH).
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Frozen Fallout
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Posted - 2006.12.06 23:11:00 -
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I do have to say that WoW has better PvE in that its more diverse, more story driven, and you can easly group and sometimes need to group in order to finish the mission. Not only that you can group with just about anyone and alot of people like to group with people they don't know with out fear of being killed by the guy. In PvE in WoW you don't need to worry about PvP. I personly like the idea of having to worry about PvP when PvEing, but its not something that PvEers are looking for if you want to PvE you PvE, not do something in the middle of PvE and PvP. Also Eve has more options of PvP that can interfer with PvE like anything done in a 0.0 or Cargo stealers that are in 1.0 (yes I know you can lock your cargo if you have the skills but not everyone has the skills and well people that do that are just *******s if you ask me) and now with the new patch You have people entering into Mission zones and stealing kills, cargo and wrecks!
In WoW PvE is strait forward and the main part of the game. You can easly PvE with a group of people (sometimes a huge group) even if you have only been playing for a few hours and don't know anyone. You can just ask for help and people give it to you with out fear of them turning on you.
And How does being the leader stop someone form stabing you in the back if you are in 0.0 Now you can just not openly ask and search for the right person and join a corp but that isn't the point. Its easier to PvE in WoW!
So on PvE I would say WoW wins but who cares! PvP is what Eve is all about. Players interacting with each other in the market and in space killing each othere or pricewaring in the market. Its cool its what Eve is.
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Dreez
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.07 07:10:00 -
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Edited by: Dreez on 07/12/2006 07:10:41
Originally by: Shemar
Heh, not the best of times to ask me to say EVE is the best game
Well.. i hate the fact that we cant have fleetbattles without
the nodes dying just as much as anyone else. But the thing is
that i seriosly doubt that things would be any diffrent
in games like WoW, DDO, EQ2 or even Guildwars. IŠve played WoW
for over a year and i can tell you that if 100 alliance were
to charge into the Hordecity of Ogrimmar, the server would crash.
So in all honesty iŠd say that CCP is actually doing one hell of
jobb concidering which ones they compete against.
Im probably one of the biggest whiners concerning the serverissues
and stability during fights, but CCP do deserve some credit here imo.
After all.. im still here after over 3 years 
Bob farted, ASCN burped & then there was a nodecrash.
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Apolluon
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Posted - 2006.12.07 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Dreez
IŠve played WoW for over a year and i can tell you that if 100 alliance were
to charge into the Hordecity of Ogrimmar, the server would crash.
You must not have been around for much then.
On Khaz'goroth (Aussie server, overcrowded as hell) during peak play hours (6 PM to 10 PM Oceania time), a wee large Alliance guild (plus fanbois, and alliance spectators) summoned, and kited Prince Thunderaan (sp?) all the way to Orgrimmar in a giant "we're leaving the server" raid. There were at least over 150 people in the raid on the alliance side alone, not to mention the fact that just about everyone dropped what they were doing when it was announced on guild-chat that this beheamoth was coming into Org for a visit.
The server handled not only the people, but the fighting that occurred, the consequent NPC's taking action and Prince Thunderaan blasting the living hell out of just about everyone in his path. With about as much lag as you'd get squaring off against Ragnaros during peak hours on a Friday or Saturday night. (which is to say... acceptable.)
Of course, you see which game I'm playing, and which one I'm not playing.
Apolluon
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.07 11:00:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Apolluon
Originally by: Dreez
IŠve played WoW for over a year and i can tell you that if 100 alliance were
to charge into the Hordecity of Ogrimmar, the server would crash.
You must not have been around for much then.
On Khaz'goroth (Aussie server, overcrowded as hell) during peak play hours (6 PM to 10 PM Oceania time), a wee large Alliance guild (plus fanbois, and alliance spectators) summoned, and kited Prince Thunderaan (sp?) all the way to Orgrimmar in a giant "we're leaving the server" raid. There were at least over 150 people in the raid on the alliance side alone, not to mention the fact that just about everyone dropped what they were doing when it was announced on guild-chat that this beheamoth was coming into Org for a visit.
The server handled not only the people, but the fighting that occurred, the consequent NPC's taking action and Prince Thunderaan blasting the living hell out of just about everyone in his path. With about as much lag as you'd get squaring off against Ragnaros during peak hours on a Friday or Saturday night. (which is to say... acceptable.)
Of course, you see which game I'm playing, and which one I'm not playing.
Apolluon
Then again, the processor power required to calculate the positions, movements, and actions of 150 elves is a lot less than that required for say, 30 battleships
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Neon Genesis
Gallente
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2006.12.07 13:35:00 -
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Really very nice to see eve dominating so much.
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Neon Genesis
Gallente
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2006.12.07 13:41:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Frozen Fallout
I do have to say that WoW has better PvE in that its more diverse
No, it's the other way around. Wow pve is extremely samey. There have already been hundreds of good reasons given in this thread.
Originally by: Frozen Fallout
more story driven
Like DS said, wow story is some half assed dialogue box that substitutes a generic fetch quest with a generic kill 50 boars quest. How many times has sovereignty over a huge part of the map changed due to huge wars in wow?
Never.
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Amarria Lightwielder
N.A.G.A Corporation
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Posted - 2006.12.07 15:02:00 -
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go eve =), though sad to say, pve is better in wow
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Frozen Fallout
Gallente
Mecha Enterprises Group
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Posted - 2006.12.07 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: Frozen Fallout on 07/12/2006 18:12:58
Originally by: Neon Genesis
Originally by: Frozen Fallout
I do have to say that WoW has better PvE in that its more diverse
No, it's the other way around. Wow pve is extremely samey. There have already been hundreds of good reasons given in this thread.
Originally by: Frozen Fallout
more story driven
Like DS said, wow story is some half assed dialogue box that substitutes a generic fetch quest with a generic kill 50 boars quest. How many times has sovereignty over a huge part of the map changed due to huge wars in wow?
Never.
Ok I think you missed my point all together. Eve is a PvP game not a PvE game. It has elements of PvE in it but the focus is in PvP. You cant get away from the PvP to do PvE at all. You cant even be in a dead zone now and be safe from PvP.
I think that's great! I like it. But I think it takes away from the PvE elements alot.
THIS IS NOT A PvE GAME people. This is a PvP game. Look around on the forums for a while and find anyone complaining about PvE in the game (alot of whiners out there :P) and you will see a lot of vets jumping on them and telling them that this is not a PvE game and if they cant handle it go play WoW which is a PvE game.
Tell me if someone came to you and asked you to suggest a game that they don't have to deal with PvP in and only wanted to do PvE would you say that Eve is the best choice for them. If you do Im sure your friend with in 14 days of playing or less (probably less) will give up the game and go to a game like WoW where you can PvE to your hearts content and never have to worry about PvP. NEVER! If you so please it. Eve you cant avoid the PvP even in a 1.0 area.
I like Eve for what it is a PvP game with PvE in it. I like space ships and blowing things up. I have always wanted to fly a spaceship form world to world. Now I can thanks to this game. But just because I like this game way way way way way way more then WoW doesn't cloud my mind on the subject of what the game really is A PvP GAME! I have played both games and dropped WoW after like 2 months because I got board of PvE and the PvP gave me 1 month (out of the 2 I played) more of play time with it until I decided that the PvP sucked.
I think Eve has a long way to go before they can take the PvE crown away from WoW. But who cares (Im sure CCP doesn't care) if Eve win the PvE crown. Eve is not a PvE game and there are more important things to upgrade and improve in the PvP area of the game then work on PvE elements that would give Eve the boost it would need to be better then WoW in PvE.
PS: I think it would be really cool if they gave a voice and a personality to each agent. I don't even read the missions anymore I just do what they tell me to do like kill this or droop this off. I don't care why but if the Agent actauly had a voice to TELL me what is going on story wise for the mission I would listen and probly see that crown be sweeped way from WoW but like I said there are tons of othere improvements that need upgrading before this.
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.12.07 19:05:00 -
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I wanted to chime in here for a moment. First, I wanted to thank the EVE community for supporting EVE in the Reader's Choice awards. The awards are about you and your opinions, not what some editor or game critic thinks is the hot thing on the market this week. From what I have been lead to believe, EVE is doing extremely well in the poll.
Now, about this debate on whether EVE is a PvP game, a PvE game, or a game with both? When it comes to this poll, does it really matter? Sure, EVE is a PvP game and has been advertised as such for a very long time. However, EVE has evolved and incorporated many changes so that PvE is a part of the EVE experience. Does EVE have the best PvP and PvE experience? That's up to you.
I'll be the first to admit I would love the Marketing department to be able to start up a new banner campaign with a slogan along the lines of "EVE sweeps the MMORPG.com Reader's Choice Awards and sweeps WoW under the rug!", but the poll is about what you think. Vote what you think is right and if you vote for another game, I promise you won't be put on a Pod On Sight list.
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Ysolde Xen
Minmatar
Liberal Trading Co
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2006.12.07 19:50:00 -
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Rubbish bin for best new game 4tw.
I've voted, naturelment. I hadn't actually nominated EVE for the PvE category but it seems enough others did
Have to say though, the amount of petty dummy-throwing, playground-level insults of whichever games aren't the commenters' favourites and general lame behaviour I've seen on all sides is pretty shameful. Especially when I see it coming from the so-called 'mature' EVE player audience. Really great way to demonstrate EVE's older playerbase age: by acting like small children calling each other ****yheads 
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Frozen Fallout
Gallente
Mecha Enterprises Group
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Posted - 2006.12.07 20:03:00 -
[80]
Originally by: kieron
I wanted to chime in here for a moment. First, I wanted to thank the EVE community for supporting EVE in the Reader's Choice awards. The awards are about you and your opinions, not what some editor or game critic thinks is the hot thing on the market this week. From what I have been lead to believe, EVE is doing extremely well in the poll.
Now, about this debate on whether EVE is a PvP game, a PvE game, or a game with both? When it comes to this poll, does it really matter? Sure, EVE is a PvP game and has been advertised as such for a very long time. However, EVE has evolved and incorporated many changes so that PvE is a part of the EVE experience. Does EVE have the best PvP and PvE experience? That's up to you.
I'll be the first to admit I would love the Marketing department to be able to start up a new banner campaign with a slogan along the lines of "EVE sweeps the MMORPG.com Reader's Choice Awards and sweeps WoW under the rug!", but the poll is about what you think. Vote what you think is right and if you vote for another game, I promise you won't be put on a Pod On Sight list.
Ok I stand corrected CCP does care :) which is a good thing :)
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Zeknichov
Amarr
Black Avatar
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.07 20:08:00 -
[81]
Here's my thoughts on the subject. WoW got nominated for PvP therefore EVE more than deserves to be nominated for its PvE.
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Frozen Fallout
Gallente
Mecha Enterprises Group
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Posted - 2006.12.07 20:12:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Zeknichov
Here's my thoughts on the subject. WoW got nominated for PvP therefore EVE more than deserves to be nominated for its PvE.
This is soooooo true
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Lady Sabriel
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Posted - 2006.12.07 21:12:00 -
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Eve has the best PvP in any game I've played.
But the PvE really does suck, it ultimately comes down to either shoot some red +'s or haul some stuff from one station to another.
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Lady Sabriel
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Posted - 2006.12.07 21:13:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Zeknichov
Here's my thoughts on the subject. WoW got nominated for PvP therefore EVE more than deserves to be nominated for its PvE.
Actually, that is a very good point.
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Talen Kross
Dragon's Rage
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.07 21:19:00 -
[85]
Originally by: kieron
Everyone who votes gets a free Titan, and a Flaming Sword of DOOOOM!!!!
*Quote may not be accurate.
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ParMizaN
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.07 22:54:00 -
[86]
Had to comment on it as well :P
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Alex Under
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.07 22:54:00 -
[87]
Originally by: kieron
I'll be the first to admit I would love the Marketing department to be able to start up a new banner campaign with a slogan along the lines of "EVE sweeps the MMORPG.com Reader's Choice Awards and sweeps WoW under the rug!", but the poll is about what you think. Vote what you think is right and if you vote for another game, I promise you won't be put on a Pod On Sight list.
I would pay good money for such a poster/banner. If EVE gets voted best MMO again, can you deliver on this?  |
Fanjita
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Posted - 2006.12.08 01:17:00 -
[88]
I voted for any random other thisng except for eve in each category as eve is such a f***ing mess atm it doesnt deserve any awards
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Zed Nash
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Posted - 2006.12.08 01:19:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 07/12/2006 03:44:22
You voted before in the above sticky, but that was just nominations. Now its time to vote again for the game you love!
Click here and VOTE!
Thanks to CCP also for the news post to get out the word.
Good luck EVE
And thanks to Ductoris for the sticky
Used to love Eve and CCP, few complaints, was always patient with bugs, and always felt CCP had a good handle on their game and their playerbase.
After Revelations, I have nothing good to say about their game, or them.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.08 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: Xander XacXorien
After Revelations Eve does not deserve my vote.
Quite simply other games do things a lot better.
Hopefully things will improve soon  otherwise my two accounts will be leaving.
Something tells me that everyone with this kind of response is new to MMORPGs 
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