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Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:06:00 - [1] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/12/2006 22:13:04 You voted before in the above sticky, but that was just nominations. Now its time to vote again for the game you love! Click here and VOTE! Mods, the old sticky should be removed and replaced with this, as if the title isn't at least changed it is unlikely people will realize they have to vote again. Would be nice to have another news post too, like with the nominations. Good luck EVE -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Astrophobics	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:07:00 - [2] Yay, go eve! === It's great being Amarr, aint it?(tm) [Insert badass sig to match ego here]
Shemar Gallente Photesthetics Glamour Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:08:00 - [3] Heh, not the best of times to ask me to say EVE is the best game ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Merchantigus Minmatar Riot Zone	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:09:00 - [4] Edited by: Merchantigus on 05/12/2006 22:10:38 Eve vs wow round 2 FIGHT! and just pretend it's a week from now when they get everything all patched up so you dont feel bad if we lose "When still up after 30 hours you are type this good you will not mmhmhmmhmmm."
Araxmas Caldari Imperial Space Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:11:00 - [5] How the frack does WoW even get nominated for graphics. I mean its like its made out of origami paper. --------
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:11:00 - [6] Originally by: Araxmas How the frack does WoW even get nominated for graphics. I mean its like its made out of origami paper. Because these days the MMORPG.com votes are EVE vs WoW on everything -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Merchantigus Minmatar Riot Zone	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:13:00 - [7] i say we bring a fleet of titans over to elf land and show them how it's done "When still up after 30 hours you are type this good you will not mmhmhmmhmmm."
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:14:00 - [8] How did Eve get nominated for PvE? Seriously, you guys suck at rigging. Rig convincingly. Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Makree Ubar Asteroid Hugging Collective	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:14:00 - [9] I gave Auto Assault my vote for the best new game. And Star Trek Online in the oh! please hurry up and release this game so that I don't go all emo and slit my wrists category.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:17:00 - [10] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/12/2006 22:18:03 Originally by: Verus Potestas How did Eve get nominated for PvE? Because by comparison to World of Warcraft, its good. Do you notice how much of EVE is PvE? We have hundreds of complexes (more than WoW), an entire exploration system where you can find your own "raids", and four massive COSMOS constellations, plus hundreds of missions. World of Warcraft has about, uh... 4 quests that are repeated game-wide with different names madlibbed into them? -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Araxmas Caldari Imperial Space Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:19:00 - [11] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/12/2006 22:18:03 Originally by: Verus Potestas How did Eve get nominated for PvE? Because by comparison to World of Warcraft, its good. Do you notice how much of EVE is PvE? We have hundreds of complexes (more than WoW), an entire exploration system where you can find your own "raids", and four massive COSMOS constellations, plus hundreds of missions. World of Warcraft has about, uh... 4 quests that are repeated game-wide with different names madlibbed into them? Plus instead of just poking something with an apparantly enchanted magic stick you can fire a missile at it and watch it explode (especially if its a structure) --------
Merchantigus Minmatar Riot Zone	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:20:00 - [12] Edited by: Merchantigus on 05/12/2006 22:25:25 Edited by: Merchantigus on 05/12/2006 22:23:14 elves and orcs elves and orcs elves and orcs...dragon..dragon...dragon...eyeballthing...dragon i stayed with wow only as long as i did for the pvp. for some reason my idea of the perfect pve isn't spending 18 hours a day playing so i can fight through the same instance for 3 months so i can get better gear aaaaand go do the same thing at the next one!11 Huzzah for repetition! untill 60 yah it was alright. low lv do quest over and over low/mid level run instances over and over but atleast they changed from time to time. 60+? lollzz W3 c4n b3 ub34r!1 lets k33l t3h dr4g0n 4 6 months!111 woooooot. like i said was there for the pvp but it got to where you had to raid over and over and over and over or some kid with t3h swr0d uv pwn+5 would walk up and 1 hit you. then it trickeld down through all the ranks untill even the lowest lv pvp zones were like that. then i left and started to enjoy myself over here again :) "When still up after 30 hours you are type this good you will not mmhmhmmhmmm."
Blind Man Kemono.	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:22:00 - [13] Edited by: Blind Man on 05/12/2006 22:23:35 done and lol. biggest WoW vs EvE fest EVER GO EVE
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:24:00 - [14] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Verus Potestas How did Eve get nominated for PvE? Because by comparison to World of Warcraft, its good. Do you notice how much of EVE is PvE? We have hundreds of complexes (more than WoW), an entire exploration system where you can find your own "raids", and four massive COSMOS constellations, plus hundreds of missions. Well, no-one had played exploration when Eve got nominated it. Eve's mission system consists of a rotator of doing the same 16 facile missions repeatedly in a slightly different order or moving from belt to belt killing simple spawns. Also available, camping high sec plexes or running 0.0 ones after downtime, all of which are so meticulously timetabled and planned as to remove any player freedom. Empire COSMOS is runnable once, and takes about 2 weeks to do both factions available (standings really prevent you from doing both blocks). 0.0 COSMOS hadn't even been seen when the nominations happened either. Or you can mine. Seriously, I think you need to stop fanboying so much. Eve is a great game, and it's a PvP and market game. WoW is a crap game with little staying power, but an excellent PvE experience from 1-60. Eve PvE exists purely to make cash really, and isn't really loved. WoW PvE is WoW. I think that WoW is a far inferior game to Eve, and this is easily evidenced by the fact I play Eve, not WoW. However, trying to say that Eve is a better PvE experience than WoW seems to suggest that either you haven't done WoW's, or you haven't tried Eve's. I'm thinking Eve's. Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Araxmas Caldari Imperial Space Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:24:00 - [15] Edited by: Araxmas on 05/12/2006 22:26:28 Nice to see Shikari posting on the mmorpg forums defending eve. Keep up the fight oh and to the above post. From what i played of WoW (and yes i played to do the horrible end-game rubbish) the pve on that is repetative kiling but without the explosions. I mean honestly how can you say that grinding is amazing? --------
FalconHawk Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:25:00 - [16] one game to rule them all .... lol wondering if the community will rule this competition again
Merchantigus Minmatar Riot Zone	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:26:00 - [17] <---- = maninthebox "When still up after 30 hours you are type this good you will not mmhmhmmhmmm."
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:26:00 - [18] Originally by: Verus Potestas Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Verus Potestas How did Eve get nominated for PvE? Because by comparison to World of Warcraft, its good. Do you notice how much of EVE is PvE? We have hundreds of complexes (more than WoW), an entire exploration system where you can find your own "raids", and four massive COSMOS constellations, plus hundreds of missions. Well, no-one had played exploration when Eve got nominated it. Eve's mission system consists of a rotator of doing the same 16 facile missions repeatedly in a slightly different order or moving from belt to belt killing simple spawns. Also available, camping high sec plexes or running 0.0 ones after downtime, all of which are so meticulously timetabled and planned as to remove any player freedom. Empire COSMOS is runnable once, and takes about 2 weeks to do both factions available (standings really prevent you from doing both blocks). 0.0 COSMOS hadn't even been seen when the nominations happened either. Or you can mine. Seriously, I think you need to stop fanboying so much. Eve is a great game, and it's a PvP and market game. WoW is a crap game with little staying power, but an excellent PvE experience from 1-60. Eve PvE exists purely to make cash really, and isn't really loved. WoW PvE is WoW. I think that WoW is a far inferior game to Eve, and this is easily evidenced by the fact I play Eve, not WoW. However, trying to say that Eve is a better PvE experience than WoW seems to suggest that either you haven't done WoW's, or you haven't tried Eve's. I'm thinking Eve's. World of Warcraft only has about four quests in the entire game. They're just madlibbed with different words. You can say EVE's PvE is mediocre, but telling me World of Warcraft's is better is flat-out lying. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:27:00 - [19] We have 10 quests, and we don't change the names Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Hydraxian Gallente Momentum.	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:27:00 - [20] Done and done
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:28:00 - [21] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/12/2006 22:30:00 Originally by: Verus Potestas We have 10 quests, and we don't change the names More like a few hundred. (Hint: If you run missions all for the same agent, you'll get the same missions!) Not saying they're that good, but hell at least its more than: 1. Deliver this letter! 2. Kill fifty Blooddripper Fanatics and bring me back twenty Blooddripper Vials! 3. Fetch the Sword of Doom! -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:29:00 - [22] Votes cast. Interesting to see how EVE is strangling the categories this year, when last year it was a write in that got it on their map. Updated Linux Desktop+EVE+EVE-TV
Merchantigus Minmatar Riot Zone	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:31:00 - [23] everyone <3's eve :) "When still up after 30 hours you are type this good you will not mmhmhmmhmmm."
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:32:00 - [24] I voted EVE on everything but PVE (sorry guys, you know its true) on which I abstained (having never really played WoW). Pirates of the Burning Seas got my "Most Anticipated" vote, and the "New Games" got the trash can- I mean seriously, Guildwars only comes close, and I don't count that as a new game . -----------------------------------------------
Araxmas Caldari Imperial Space Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:33:00 - [25] I don't think WoW will win. I mean 90% of their community are currently learning how to use a potty so i doubt they can use an internet browser properly. --------
TheDevilsJury principle of motion R i s e	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:34:00 - [26] I totally disagree with the best PvE nominations. Either WoW or EVE. I'm surprised there isn't some other game on there, because compared to some other options WoW and EVE both suck. I'd rather play Phantasy Star Online if I wanted to PvE. I love their trash can option on "best new game" ^^^^ You can hide, but you can't run. ^^^^
Detavi Kade	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:36:00 - [27] I don't know...progressquest pretty much blows every current game out of the water. And I can even play that one at work.
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:38:00 - [28] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Verus Potestas We have 10 quests, and we don't change the names More like a few hundred. (Hint: If you run missions all for the same agent, you'll get the same missions!) Not saying they're that good, but hell at least its more than: 1. Deliver this letter! 2. Kill fifty Blooddripper Fanatics and bring me back twenty Blooddripper Vials! 3. Fetch the Sword of Doom! You haven't done Caldari/Minmatar COSMOS have you? 1. Deliver these pistols 2. Kill 50 bandits and bring back their spurs 3. Fetch the reports of doom (at least sword SOUNDS interesting) Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Araxmas Caldari Imperial Space Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:38:00 - [29] Originally by: TheDevilsJury I totally disagree with the best PvE nominations. Either WoW or EVE. I'm surprised there isn't some other game on there, because compared to some other options WoW and EVE both suck. I'd rather play Phantasy Star Online if I wanted to PvE. I love their trash can option on "best new game" They should of had runescape...just kidding. Nah for PvE i would of had to vote Eq2. Its same as WoW but more purdy and for some reason its less of a drag. --------
Araxmas Caldari Imperial Space Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:40:00 - [30] Originally by: Verus Potestas Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Verus Potestas We have 10 quests, and we don't change the names More like a few hundred. (Hint: If you run missions all for the same agent, you'll get the same missions!) Not saying they're that good, but hell at least its more than: 1. Deliver this letter! 2. Kill fifty Blooddripper Fanatics and bring me back twenty Blooddripper Vials! 3. Fetch the Sword of Doom! You haven't done Caldari/Minmatar COSMOS have you? 1. Deliver these pistols 2. Kill 50 bandits and bring back their spurs 3. Fetch the reports of doom (at least sword SOUNDS interesting) But atleast on eve theres explosions and its appealing. Unlike WoW with its half assed particle effects. --------
Dawn Verragan Lunar Association Freelancer Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:41:00 - [31] I totally approve this piece of fanboi-ism ;) Although I already hear the complaints about "Eve won all just because the game is so boring" aka "WoW did not win because its players enjoy the game so much". Somehow painful to see the "Eve vs WoW" choices all the way though :(
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:42:00 - [32] Originally by: Araxmas How the frack does WoW even get nominated for graphics. Because alot of idiots play WoW, and don't realize the graphics were outdated before the game was released. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:46:00 - [33] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Araxmas How the frack does WoW even get nominated for graphics. Because alot of idiots play WoW, and don't realize the graphics were outdated before the game was released. No, because far too many people vote for the game they play just because they play it, rather than because they think it's best or even understand the competition. See previous argument Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:46:00 - [34] Originally by: Dark Shikari Not saying they're that good, but hell at least its more than: 1. Deliver this letter! 2. Kill fifty Blooddripper Fanatics and bring me back twenty Blooddripper Vials! 3. Fetch the Sword of Doom! Lies, anyone who has Progress Quest knows how much those 3 quests kick ass. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:55:00 - [35] Ok what the hell, you have WoW as a graphics nominee, then in the PVE page, the WoW description: World of Warcraft, Blizzard Entertainment World of Warcraft is the polar opposite of EverQuest II. [/b]It has impeccable art direction, but low-tech graphics[/b]. It's an eternal debate of style vs. substance, with some preferring to push their graphics cards to the limits, while others just want something pleasing to the eye. So maybe it'sd just me, but if a game's graphics are low tech, then why is it even a choice for graphics? Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:56:00 - [36] Originally by: Verus Potestas Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Araxmas How the frack does WoW even get nominated for graphics. Because alot of idiots play WoW, and don't realize the graphics were outdated before the game was released. No, because far too many people vote for the game they play just because they play it, rather than because they think it's best or even understand the competition. See previous argument That sure was a fancy way of agreeing with me. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:56:00 - [37] Originally by: Detavi Kade I don't know...progressquest pretty much blows every current game out of the water. And I can even play that one at work. QFT! -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Derran Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:06:00 - [38] Originally by: Dark Shikari World of Warcraft only has about four quests in the entire game. They're just madlibbed with different words. You can say EVE's PvE is mediocre, but telling me World of Warcraft's is better is flat-out lying. Actually, it is better and it isn't. In WoW, the quests themselves can have a kind of story that you can follow. EVE doesn't have that. Other than that, I'd have to say the PvE experience in WoW stinks. You are either questing or just grinding, both of which can become boring as you can have a hard time not being bored or you can't do it alone and no one around to help you. I have joined and quit WoW about 5 times now. For Eve, there are many different kinds of PvE experiences. Missions, Complexes, etc. The missions, in comparison to quests, are just kind of there and don't really contribute much to the overall story content in Eve or follow any kind of story really.
Nate D Naughty Ambitious Temptatious Endeavours	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:06:00 - [39] PotBS for most anticipated... None of the above for the vest of 2006 cause they all sucked. EVE for the rest! GO VOTE! -N-zizzleÖ --- Voice Comms are Coming ...SoonÖ [Click]
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:16:00 - [40] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/12/2006 22:18:03 Originally by: Verus Potestas How did Eve get nominated for PvE? Because by comparison to World of Warcraft, its good. Do you notice how much of EVE is PvE? We have hundreds of complexes (more than WoW), an entire exploration system where you can find your own "raids", and four massive COSMOS constellations, plus hundreds of missions. World of Warcraft has about, uh... 4 quests that are repeated game-wide with different names madlibbed into them? OH, now you remember about the PvE feature of Eve, don't you... Go back to all the forums that shout that this is you see a PvP game and that if I want a PvE I should go play WOW... LAME HYPOCRITS..
Volatar AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:19:00 - [41] voted for eve in all except in what i couldn't star trek online looks cool and i voted for the trash on the other, all of those were crap ---
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:20:00 - [42] tbh, I think it'd be pretty far fetched to call EVE's PVE Award Winning material. But equally, I don't honestly think WoWs is THAT much better. The thing is, WoW is almost solely a PvE game (with rubbish PvE) while EVE atleast is a PvP game first and foremost (the rubbish PvE is just in as an added bonus ) -----------------------------------------------
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:24:00 - [43] Originally by: Black Scorpio Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/12/2006 22:18:03 Originally by: Verus Potestas How did Eve get nominated for PvE? Because by comparison to World of Warcraft, its good. Do you notice how much of EVE is PvE? We have hundreds of complexes (more than WoW), an entire exploration system where you can find your own "raids", and four massive COSMOS constellations, plus hundreds of missions. World of Warcraft has about, uh... 4 quests that are repeated game-wide with different names madlibbed into them? OH, now you remember about the PvE feature of Eve, don't you... Go back to all the forums that shout that this is you see a PvP game and that if I want a PvE I should go play WOW... I don't post that. EVE has good PvE. However, if you only want PvE, its not the game for you, as PvP is unavoidable. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:25:00 - [44] a combination of PVE-PVP is essential in this game These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:26:00 - [45] fan-boi ism is good These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:26:00 - [46] Edited by: Black Scorpio on 05/12/2006 23:27:08 Originally by: Patch86 tbh, I think it'd be pretty far fetched to call EVE's PVE Award Winning material. But equally, I don't honestly think WoWs is THAT much better. The thing is, WoW is almost solely a PvE game (with rubbish PvE) while EVE atleast is a PvP game first and foremost (the rubbish PvE is just in as an added bonus ) Good, at least someone here is realistic. There is nothing wrong to nominate EvE for the game it is, there is all wrong with nominating it for what it's not. If you have some brain in these heads of yours and some sense of what's right! oh YEAH evE is teh UBER!!11. Sure, Eve is a great game and has a lot of +s, that is why now i play it mostly over any other game, but it also has a lot of areas where it needs a second look. PvE is one of the areas where this game just doesn't shine, and it's player base (at least the forum subset of it) is strictly inclined to doom the PvE features to extinction. I believe EvE has a great potential for both PvP AND PvE. The creators of the game can make it much more interesting and creative, balancing for the first time both gamestyles! Now THAT will be an achievement that I will gladly vote for! Go EvE!
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:28:00 - [47] Originally by: Miss Overlord fan-boi ism is good ... Why? What does it help? Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:37:00 - [48] Done n done. smack the wowtards! KIA EVE Home
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:56:00 - [49] Voted. Had to go with EVE pretty much every time since it was either WoW or EVE, and WoW has never shown itself to be better in any of those categories to me. I should've continued to refrain from posting on that website though, some people just never get it... Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Caedicus Minmatar Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:59:00 - [50] ROFL...people think EVE's PVE is better than WOW's?? Disclaimer: I played WoW up to level 60, but I no longer play because it's PVP is what really sucked. I've played Eve and PVE'd exensively (to make money) for 5 months. Seriously, how many times can you do "Massive Attack" or "Retribution" before you get bored of them. The fact the I am doing the exact same missions over and over again is a total immersion killer. EVE's PVE is totally based around repetition. Another immersion killer is that your communication between the agents that give you missions are between static sets of text. Your agents say the exact same things over and over and don't have their own personality. I get no feeling that I'm part of a cool and diffrent universe. I just doing the missions to make some money. Don't even get me started on the nightmare that is looting after you clear a misison. WOW's PVE is better on so many levels. It has several order of magnitudes higher of content. More unique enemies, more unique quests, and more story behind the quests. There are many quests that require group and teamwork, which IMO is fun. The instances are full of triggers and dynamic events. Hell, they have servers for people who like to PVE only. Blizzard has put tons of work to cater to people who enjoy solo PVE, as well as group PVE. CCP hasn't even made missions that give rewards to a group instead of the player who owns the mission. If you like to blow ships up better than chopping up night elfs. That's cool...it means that you like sci-fi better than fantasy. But it doesn't mean that EVE's PVE is better than WoW's. The whole reason why I play Eve is because WoW's PVP is like EVE's PVE...boring. Eve's PVP continues to be interesting to me. Evolution in Eve:
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.06 00:15:00 - [51] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 06/12/2006 00:15:38 Originally by: Caedicus ROFL...people think EVE's PVE is better than WOW's?? Disclaimer: I played WoW up to level 60, but I no longer play because it's PVP is what really sucked. I've played Eve and PVE'd exensively (to make money) for 5 months. Seriously, how many times can you do "Massive Attack" or "Retribution" before you get bored of them. Level 4 combat missions, contrary to the belief of empire 'bears, are not the only form of PvE in EVE -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Hoshi DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.06 00:58:00 - [52] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Edited by: Malthros Zenobia on 05/12/2006 23:12:33 Ok what the hell, you have WoW as a graphics nominee, then in the PVE page, the WoW description: World of Warcraft, Blizzard Entertainment World of Warcraft is the polar opposite of EverQuest II. It has impeccable art direction, but low-tech graphics. It's an eternal debate of style vs. substance, with some preferring to push their graphics cards to the limits, while others just want something pleasing to the eye. So maybe it'sd just me, but if a game's graphics are low tech, then why is it even a choice for graphics? As the header for that category states, graphics are not only about the number of polygons, it's what you do with them that counts. By todays standards EVE has low tech graphics but it still looks great because it has great art direction. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.12.06 01:30:00 - [53] Originally by: Hoshi Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Edited by: Malthros Zenobia on 05/12/2006 23:12:33 Ok what the hell, you have WoW as a graphics nominee, then in the PVE page, the WoW description: World of Warcraft, Blizzard Entertainment World of Warcraft is the polar opposite of EverQuest II. It has impeccable art direction, but low-tech graphics. It's an eternal debate of style vs. substance, with some preferring to push their graphics cards to the limits, while others just want something pleasing to the eye. So maybe it'sd just me, but if a game's graphics are low tech, then why is it even a choice for graphics? As the header for that category states, graphics are not only about the number of polygons, it's what you do with them that counts. By todays standards EVE has low tech graphics but it still looks great because it has great art direction. Even what WoW does with them isn't that good. I've had plenty of people watch me play EVE and ask 'wow is that a new game?', only to be shocked when they find out how old the graphics and engine are. WoW's graphics are about on Par with Quake 3's, if that, when you consider some of the sweet custom icons some people have made for it (Andriod 17 or Zero ftw). Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Reiisha Satal's Legion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.06 01:30:00 - [54] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Verus Potestas Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Verus Potestas How did Eve get nominated for PvE? Because by comparison to World of Warcraft, its good. Do you notice how much of EVE is PvE? We have hundreds of complexes (more than WoW), an entire exploration system where you can find your own "raids", and four massive COSMOS constellations, plus hundreds of missions. Well, no-one had played exploration when Eve got nominated it. Eve's mission system consists of a rotator of doing the same 16 facile missions repeatedly in a slightly different order or moving from belt to belt killing simple spawns. Also available, camping high sec plexes or running 0.0 ones after downtime, all of which are so meticulously timetabled and planned as to remove any player freedom. Empire COSMOS is runnable once, and takes about 2 weeks to do both factions available (standings really prevent you from doing both blocks). 0.0 COSMOS hadn't even been seen when the nominations happened either. Or you can mine. Seriously, I think you need to stop fanboying so much. Eve is a great game, and it's a PvP and market game. WoW is a crap game with little staying power, but an excellent PvE experience from 1-60. Eve PvE exists purely to make cash really, and isn't really loved. WoW PvE is WoW. I think that WoW is a far inferior game to Eve, and this is easily evidenced by the fact I play Eve, not WoW. However, trying to say that Eve is a better PvE experience than WoW seems to suggest that either you haven't done WoW's, or you haven't tried Eve's. I'm thinking Eve's. World of Warcraft only has about four quests in the entire game. They're just madlibbed with different words. You can say EVE's PvE is mediocre, but telling me World of Warcraft's is better is flat-out lying. By that logic, EVE really has only 2 PvE experiences (kill and courier actions). WoW actually has more actions available :P You're starting to sound like a really unhealthy fanboi now DS - I hope the forum whoring didn't make you insane EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!
Vincent Aran	Posted - 2006.12.06 01:48:00 - [55] I didn't read the whole thread, but I voted for EVE in most of the categories because I really enjoyed my experience during the 14 days trial in august, now I subscribed for 1 month yesterday and if I could erase my votes I don't think I would vote for EVE again... I guess it's just very bad timing for me but since yesterday the fun I had playing is not even close to the fun I had in august during those 14 days. Now I don't plan to stop playing and if they fix the problem I'll renew my subscription for 3 more months but right now I don't think they deserve any award...
Oreh Anavrin No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.12.06 01:51:00 - [56] "EVE is one of the finalists for PvE? Give me a break. EVE's PvE is absoultey horrible. Your awards are being completely trashed by a link on the EVE forums telling their fans to come over here and vote. I'm suprised the most anticipated game cateogry didn't have a selction for "EVE: Upcoming, but as of yet unannounced, expansion" I voted for all the games that weren't EVE just so it doesn't win. I think WoW sucks for the most part as well but just voted for it so EVE wouldn't win." This place is a goldmine of comedy.

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Apoctasy SOTI Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.06 02:15:00 - [58] I predict eve winning a whole ton of them like last year...
Malakai0 Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.06 04:58:00 - [59] Voted. Lots of people on their forums are up in arms about eve rivaling wow on the pve segment. I fail to see what's so great about wow pve. Sure it's fun from 1-60, but it's essentially the same 3 or 4 quests with different names and mobs to kill/things to ferry around/ect. Eve's pve is one aspect of the game, wow's pve is the game. Like, in eve we run complexes to make isk to blow on pvp. In wow, since you never lose an item once you get it, the only point to the pve is to, well, be able to pve more (since u need teh items from dungeon A to be able to do dungeon B). sigh wow was so monotonous in every way. Fun for 3 months sure, but it can never compare to the longevity of eve. _________________________ - We are Eye Of God, being so, we see the big picture. - Axiom is a self-evident truth upon which other knowledge must rest AND if its not self-evident to you, thats what
Detavi Kade	Posted - 2006.12.06 05:03:00 - [60] I will laugh if EVE wins all the categories, even the PVE one. I think it is more demonstrative of how poor the current crop of MMO's are, than of how awesome EVE is. EVE is good, but that's just LOL.
Cyrus Graham Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.06 05:40:00 - [61] With a few exceptions, the only fun I had in WoW PvE was due to my being a roleplayer. The quests helped to expand lore(curse you, Blizzard, for breaking Warcraft lore so horribly to "balance" the game), but other than that they were tedious in the extreme. Imagine Worlds Collide. Now imagine that the Heron at the end of the mission only has a 2% chance of actually containing the surviving crewmembers. If it didn't you now have to wait for respawn and go back through the mission again. That would be a proper WoWification of an Eve mission. For non-quest PvE, look at mining. In Eve, you go to an asteroid field and mine, occasionally fending off rats. If the 'roid field is empty, no big deal. There are several per system. In WoW, you go running around the countryside, HOPING that someone hasn't already farmed all the ore in the area, because you ran(or rode on a mount) across the world to get to an area that actually has the ore you want, and it'll be hours or even days before the ore respawns. Blizzard seems to be under the impression that extreme frustration is good PvE. I won't even go into the raid game... Oh, and if you want to REALLY see the seedy underbelly of WoW PvE, play horde. ___________________________________ Go play checkers if you want a game where everything's fair and equal.
Merchantigus Minmatar Riot Zone	Posted - 2006.12.06 06:10:00 - [62] Edited by: Merchantigus on 06/12/2006 06:18:59 Edited by: Merchantigus on 06/12/2006 06:17:43 lol wow....just wow... sometimes no other word works and no more can be thought of. http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/105572/page/5 please just leave it be though. i think i did a fine job over there. These people are the reason i'm glad wow exist and eve is somewhat small. eve is what it is. some hate it and leave some hate it and stay for whatever reason while ****ing on the forums and some worship it. As i said over there i think the phrase "cult classic" applies but on an mmo scale :) edit* how do you guys think i did? <----maninthebox after fighting with pirates and others on the forums here shutting up wow "fanbois" wasn't that hard :/ Now if only that retarded pile of nubsauce on the eve section would stop bumping his retarded post i could stop bothering over there for a while. "When still up after 30 hours you are type this good you will not mmhmhmmhmmm."
Merchantigus Minmatar Riot Zone	Posted - 2006.12.06 07:45:00 - [63] GODDAMN SON! i've never ever seen so much stupid in my entire life. i'm glad that place and wow exist. they keep the trash from pouring into eve and clogging up it's gutters. "Bah. waste of my time. yes sure you guys win we're a cult of conspirators that join together to spam the mmorpg voting pool while being outnumberd thousands to one and see nothing but tiny dots the whole time we play the game...please please post hard enough and perhaps the good people of eve will continue to be able to enjoy our lame dot game in peace. I've said all i'm going to say. if people buy your crap it will do well to keep the people that eve isn't right for next to the people that believe the "eve only has 30k subscribers" post." My parting words i've wasted enough time i have some mining to do. "When still up after 30 hours you are type this good you will not mmhmhmmhmmm."
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.12.06 11:03:00 - [64] Heh, those MMORPG.com nubbins seem to think that DS is a dev Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.06 12:23:00 - [65] Originally by: Verus Potestas Heh, those MMORPG.com nubbins seem to think that DS is a dev Don't we all? Nah, I'm just kidding. What is he, like a Moderator or something? -----------------------------------------------
JP Ryan venus divine brotherhood Dark Forces Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.06 15:34:00 - [66] Originally by: Merchantigus i say we bring a fleet of titans over to elf land and show them how it's done Yay, good plan! Let's go! . . . "You're #24 in queue ..." jk, but I'll abstain from voting. --- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes
Ralkuth	Posted - 2006.12.06 18:17:00 - [67] Sure, I'll vote for Eve as soon as they fix all the stupid changes they made in the last "upgrade". What happened, did CCP get bought out by EA? Ralkuth
Keira Skywatcher	Posted - 2006.12.06 19:33:00 - [68] Eve deserves to do well here but Best PvE? That is a joke tbh... from the small pool of missions we have, most are boring and repetitive, while the lag created by the amount of ships & objects in some missions creates an exercise in frustration. On top of this the loot is constantly being nerfed and reduced, while the time to collect loot & salvage is increasing. And at least in WOW you can join a gang to help you without worry of someone using an exploit to kill you, as demonstrated by lofty Best PVE - absolutely not, PVP, yes
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.06 22:10:00 - [69] Originally by: Keira Skywatcher Eve deserves to do well here but Best PvE? That is a joke tbh... from the small pool of missions we have, most are boring and repetitive, while the lag created by the amount of ships & objects in some missions creates an exercise in frustration. Level 4 combat missions are a tiny fraction of PvE in EVE. Originally by: Keira Skywatcher On top of this the loot is constantly being nerfed and reduced, while the time to collect loot & salvage is increasing. This is a bug that is being fixed next week. Originally by: Keira Skywatcher And at least in WOW you can join a gang to help you without worry of someone using an exploit to kill you, as demonstrated by lofty Yes, you can join a gang without anyone killing you. Its called using common sense (i.e. NOT LETTING THEM BE THE LEADER DUH). -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Frozen Fallout	Posted - 2006.12.06 23:11:00 - [70] I do have to say that WoW has better PvE in that its more diverse, more story driven, and you can easly group and sometimes need to group in order to finish the mission. Not only that you can group with just about anyone and alot of people like to group with people they don't know with out fear of being killed by the guy. In PvE in WoW you don't need to worry about PvP. I personly like the idea of having to worry about PvP when PvEing, but its not something that PvEers are looking for if you want to PvE you PvE, not do something in the middle of PvE and PvP. Also Eve has more options of PvP that can interfer with PvE like anything done in a 0.0 or Cargo stealers that are in 1.0 (yes I know you can lock your cargo if you have the skills but not everyone has the skills and well people that do that are just *******s if you ask me) and now with the new patch You have people entering into Mission zones and stealing kills, cargo and wrecks! In WoW PvE is strait forward and the main part of the game. You can easly PvE with a group of people (sometimes a huge group) even if you have only been playing for a few hours and don't know anyone. You can just ask for help and people give it to you with out fear of them turning on you. And How does being the leader stop someone form stabing you in the back if you are in 0.0 Now you can just not openly ask and search for the right person and join a corp but that isn't the point. Its easier to PvE in WoW! So on PvE I would say WoW wins but who cares! PvP is what Eve is all about. Players interacting with each other in the market and in space killing each othere or pricewaring in the market. Its cool its what Eve is.
Dreez Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.07 07:10:00 - [71] Edited by: Dreez on 07/12/2006 07:10:41 Originally by: Shemar Heh, not the best of times to ask me to say EVE is the best game Well.. i hate the fact that we cant have fleetbattles without the nodes dying just as much as anyone else. But the thing is that i seriosly doubt that things would be any diffrent in games like WoW, DDO, EQ2 or even Guildwars. I¦ve played WoW for over a year and i can tell you that if 100 alliance were to charge into the Hordecity of Ogrimmar, the server would crash. So in all honesty i¦d say that CCP is actually doing one hell of jobb concidering which ones they compete against. Im probably one of the biggest whiners concerning the serverissues and stability during fights, but CCP do deserve some credit here imo. After all.. im still here after over 3 years Bob farted, ASCN burped & then there was a nodecrash.
Apolluon	Posted - 2006.12.07 10:54:00 - [72] Originally by: Dreez I¦ve played WoW for over a year and i can tell you that if 100 alliance were to charge into the Hordecity of Ogrimmar, the server would crash. You must not have been around for much then. On Khaz'goroth (Aussie server, overcrowded as hell) during peak play hours (6 PM to 10 PM Oceania time), a wee large Alliance guild (plus fanbois, and alliance spectators) summoned, and kited Prince Thunderaan (sp?) all the way to Orgrimmar in a giant "we're leaving the server" raid. There were at least over 150 people in the raid on the alliance side alone, not to mention the fact that just about everyone dropped what they were doing when it was announced on guild-chat that this beheamoth was coming into Org for a visit. The server handled not only the people, but the fighting that occurred, the consequent NPC's taking action and Prince Thunderaan blasting the living hell out of just about everyone in his path. With about as much lag as you'd get squaring off against Ragnaros during peak hours on a Friday or Saturday night. (which is to say... acceptable.) Of course, you see which game I'm playing, and which one I'm not playing. Apolluon
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.07 11:00:00 - [73] Originally by: Apolluon Originally by: Dreez I¦ve played WoW for over a year and i can tell you that if 100 alliance were to charge into the Hordecity of Ogrimmar, the server would crash. You must not have been around for much then. On Khaz'goroth (Aussie server, overcrowded as hell) during peak play hours (6 PM to 10 PM Oceania time), a wee large Alliance guild (plus fanbois, and alliance spectators) summoned, and kited Prince Thunderaan (sp?) all the way to Orgrimmar in a giant "we're leaving the server" raid. There were at least over 150 people in the raid on the alliance side alone, not to mention the fact that just about everyone dropped what they were doing when it was announced on guild-chat that this beheamoth was coming into Org for a visit. The server handled not only the people, but the fighting that occurred, the consequent NPC's taking action and Prince Thunderaan blasting the living hell out of just about everyone in his path. With about as much lag as you'd get squaring off against Ragnaros during peak hours on a Friday or Saturday night. (which is to say... acceptable.) Of course, you see which game I'm playing, and which one I'm not playing. Apolluon Then again, the processor power required to calculate the positions, movements, and actions of 150 elves is a lot less than that required for say, 30 battleships -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Neon Genesis Gallente Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2006.12.07 13:35:00 - [74] Really very nice to see eve dominating so much.
Neon Genesis Gallente Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2006.12.07 13:41:00 - [75] Originally by: Frozen Fallout I do have to say that WoW has better PvE in that its more diverse No, it's the other way around. Wow pve is extremely samey. There have already been hundreds of good reasons given in this thread. Originally by: Frozen Fallout more story driven Like DS said, wow story is some half assed dialogue box that substitutes a generic fetch quest with a generic kill 50 boars quest. How many times has sovereignty over a huge part of the map changed due to huge wars in wow? Never.
Amarria Lightwielder N.A.G.A Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.07 15:02:00 - [76] go eve =), though sad to say, pve is better in wow -- -- Sound in EVE
Frozen Fallout Gallente Mecha Enterprises Group	Posted - 2006.12.07 18:09:00 - [77] Edited by: Frozen Fallout on 07/12/2006 18:12:58 Originally by: Neon Genesis Originally by: Frozen Fallout I do have to say that WoW has better PvE in that its more diverse No, it's the other way around. Wow pve is extremely samey. There have already been hundreds of good reasons given in this thread. Originally by: Frozen Fallout more story driven Like DS said, wow story is some half assed dialogue box that substitutes a generic fetch quest with a generic kill 50 boars quest. How many times has sovereignty over a huge part of the map changed due to huge wars in wow? Never. Ok I think you missed my point all together. Eve is a PvP game not a PvE game. It has elements of PvE in it but the focus is in PvP. You cant get away from the PvP to do PvE at all. You cant even be in a dead zone now and be safe from PvP. I think that's great! I like it. But I think it takes away from the PvE elements alot. THIS IS NOT A PvE GAME people. This is a PvP game. Look around on the forums for a while and find anyone complaining about PvE in the game (alot of whiners out there :P) and you will see a lot of vets jumping on them and telling them that this is not a PvE game and if they cant handle it go play WoW which is a PvE game. Tell me if someone came to you and asked you to suggest a game that they don't have to deal with PvP in and only wanted to do PvE would you say that Eve is the best choice for them. If you do Im sure your friend with in 14 days of playing or less (probably less) will give up the game and go to a game like WoW where you can PvE to your hearts content and never have to worry about PvP. NEVER! If you so please it. Eve you cant avoid the PvP even in a 1.0 area. I like Eve for what it is a PvP game with PvE in it. I like space ships and blowing things up. I have always wanted to fly a spaceship form world to world. Now I can thanks to this game. But just because I like this game way way way way way way more then WoW doesn't cloud my mind on the subject of what the game really is A PvP GAME! I have played both games and dropped WoW after like 2 months because I got board of PvE and the PvP gave me 1 month (out of the 2 I played) more of play time with it until I decided that the PvP sucked. I think Eve has a long way to go before they can take the PvE crown away from WoW. But who cares (Im sure CCP doesn't care) if Eve win the PvE crown. Eve is not a PvE game and there are more important things to upgrade and improve in the PvP area of the game then work on PvE elements that would give Eve the boost it would need to be better then WoW in PvE. PS: I think it would be really cool if they gave a voice and a personality to each agent. I don't even read the missions anymore I just do what they tell me to do like kill this or droop this off. I don't care why but if the Agent actauly had a voice to TELL me what is going on story wise for the mission I would listen and probly see that crown be sweeped way from WoW but like I said there are tons of othere improvements that need upgrading before this. Edited for spelling

kieron	Posted - 2006.12.07 19:05:00 - [78] I wanted to chime in here for a moment. First, I wanted to thank the EVE community for supporting EVE in the Reader's Choice awards. The awards are about you and your opinions, not what some editor or game critic thinks is the hot thing on the market this week. From what I have been lead to believe, EVE is doing extremely well in the poll. Now, about this debate on whether EVE is a PvP game, a PvE game, or a game with both? When it comes to this poll, does it really matter? Sure, EVE is a PvP game and has been advertised as such for a very long time. However, EVE has evolved and incorporated many changes so that PvE is a part of the EVE experience. Does EVE have the best PvP and PvE experience? That's up to you. I'll be the first to admit I would love the Marketing department to be able to start up a new banner campaign with a slogan along the lines of "EVE sweeps the MMORPG.com Reader's Choice Awards and sweeps WoW under the rug!", but the poll is about what you think. Vote what you think is right and if you vote for another game, I promise you won't be put on a Pod On Sight list. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online

Ysolde Xen Minmatar Liberal Trading Co Electus Matari	Posted - 2006.12.07 19:50:00 - [79] Rubbish bin for best new game 4tw. I've voted, naturelment. I hadn't actually nominated EVE for the PvE category but it seems enough others did Have to say though, the amount of petty dummy-throwing, playground-level insults of whichever games aren't the commenters' favourites and general lame behaviour I've seen on all sides is pretty shameful. Especially when I see it coming from the so-called 'mature' EVE player audience. Really great way to demonstrate EVE's older playerbase age: by acting like small children calling each other ****yheads ----- It's not a crap ship, you're just flying it all wrong.
Frozen Fallout Gallente Mecha Enterprises Group	Posted - 2006.12.07 20:03:00 - [80] Originally by: kieron I wanted to chime in here for a moment. First, I wanted to thank the EVE community for supporting EVE in the Reader's Choice awards. The awards are about you and your opinions, not what some editor or game critic thinks is the hot thing on the market this week. From what I have been lead to believe, EVE is doing extremely well in the poll. Now, about this debate on whether EVE is a PvP game, a PvE game, or a game with both? When it comes to this poll, does it really matter? Sure, EVE is a PvP game and has been advertised as such for a very long time. However, EVE has evolved and incorporated many changes so that PvE is a part of the EVE experience. Does EVE have the best PvP and PvE experience? That's up to you. I'll be the first to admit I would love the Marketing department to be able to start up a new banner campaign with a slogan along the lines of "EVE sweeps the MMORPG.com Reader's Choice Awards and sweeps WoW under the rug!", but the poll is about what you think. Vote what you think is right and if you vote for another game, I promise you won't be put on a Pod On Sight list. Ok I stand corrected CCP does care :) which is a good thing :) ________________________________________________ Remember what your fighting for, Remember why you even started fighting, and most of all Remember who you are
Zeknichov Amarr Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.07 20:08:00 - [81] Here's my thoughts on the subject. WoW got nominated for PvP therefore EVE more than deserves to be nominated for its PvE.
Frozen Fallout Gallente Mecha Enterprises Group	Posted - 2006.12.07 20:12:00 - [82] Originally by: Zeknichov Here's my thoughts on the subject. WoW got nominated for PvP therefore EVE more than deserves to be nominated for its PvE. This is soooooo true ________________________________________________ Remember what your fighting for, Remember why you even started fighting, and most of all Remember who you are
Lady Sabriel	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:12:00 - [83] Eve has the best PvP in any game I've played. But the PvE really does suck, it ultimately comes down to either shoot some red +'s or haul some stuff from one station to another.
Lady Sabriel	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:13:00 - [84] Originally by: Zeknichov Here's my thoughts on the subject. WoW got nominated for PvP therefore EVE more than deserves to be nominated for its PvE. Actually, that is a very good point.
Talen Kross Dragon's Rage Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:19:00 - [85] Originally by: kieron Everyone who votes gets a free Titan, and a Flaming Sword of DOOOOM!!!! *Quote may not be accurate. ------------------------- Allow cloaking to remove you from local until your chat or decloak.
ParMizaN Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.07 22:54:00 - [86] Had to comment on it as well :P
Alex Under Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.07 22:54:00 - [87] Originally by: kieron I'll be the first to admit I would love the Marketing department to be able to start up a new banner campaign with a slogan along the lines of "EVE sweeps the MMORPG.com Reader's Choice Awards and sweeps WoW under the rug!", but the poll is about what you think. Vote what you think is right and if you vote for another game, I promise you won't be put on a Pod On Sight list. I would pay good money for such a poster/banner. If EVE gets voted best MMO again, can you deliver on this?
Fanjita	Posted - 2006.12.08 01:17:00 - [88] I voted for any random other thisng except for eve in each category as eve is such a f***ing mess atm it doesnt deserve any awards
Zed Nash	Posted - 2006.12.08 01:19:00 - [89] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 07/12/2006 03:44:22 You voted before in the above sticky, but that was just nominations. Now its time to vote again for the game you love! Click here and VOTE! Thanks to CCP also for the news post to get out the word. Good luck EVE And thanks to Ductoris for the sticky Used to love Eve and CCP, few complaints, was always patient with bugs, and always felt CCP had a good handle on their game and their playerbase. After Revelations, I have nothing good to say about their game, or them. "Maya Rkell is my online stalker."
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.08 02:07:00 - [90] Originally by: Xander XacXorien After Revelations Eve does not deserve my vote. Quite simply other games do things a lot better. Hopefully things will improve soon otherwise my two accounts will be leaving. Something tells me that everyone with this kind of response is new to MMORPGs -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Zed Nash	Posted - 2006.12.08 02:11:00 - [91] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Xander XacXorien After Revelations Eve does not deserve my vote. Quite simply other games do things a lot better. Hopefully things will improve soon otherwise my two accounts will be leaving. Something tells me that everyone with this kind of response is new to MMORPGs Been gaming for close to 10 years, Eve for 3, he's spot on. The game's in the worst shape it's ever been in.......... "Maya Rkell is my online stalker."
Xander XacXorien	Posted - 2006.12.08 02:12:00 - [92] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Xander XacXorien After Revelations Eve does not deserve my vote. Quite simply other games do things a lot better. Hopefully things will improve soon otherwise my two accounts will be leaving. Something tells me that everyone with this kind of response is new to MMORPGs Quite franly that's an assumtion. My experience VS yours. The point is in that in my opinion Eve and CCP have done alot over the past years to get the worst possible result they could expect. I'm a customer and I'm gonna vote based on my experience. Think well on it CCP.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.08 02:32:00 - [93] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 08/12/2006 02:32:41 Originally by: Xander XacXorien Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Xander XacXorien After Revelations Eve does not deserve my vote. Quite simply other games do things a lot better. Hopefully things will improve soon otherwise my two accounts will be leaving. Something tells me that everyone with this kind of response is new to MMORPGs Quite franly that's an assumtion. My experience VS yours. The point is in that in my opinion Eve and CCP have done alot over the past years to get the worst possible result they could expect. I'm a customer and I'm gonna vote based on my experience. Think well on it CCP. I do not know a single MMORPG in my experience that hasn't had worse problems than EVE. Voting on a game based on a few days' worth of CTDs is just stupid. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Xander XacXorien	Posted - 2006.12.08 02:47:00 - [94] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 08/12/2006 02:32:41 Originally by: Xander XacXorien Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Xander XacXorien After Revelations Eve does not deserve my vote. Quite simply other games do things a lot better. Hopefully things will improve soon otherwise my two accounts will be leaving. Something tells me that everyone with this kind of response is new to MMORPGs Quite franly that's an assumtion. My experience VS yours. The point is in that in my opinion Eve and CCP have done alot over the past years to get the worst possible result they could expect. I'm a customer and I'm gonna vote based on my experience. Think well on it CCP. I do not know a single MMORPG in my experience that hasn't had worse problems than EVE. Voting on a game based on a few days' worth of CTDs is just stupid. Let's go way back to Red Moon Rising last christmas and the fiasco of that implementation. I think it was over a month before there was any game to play. Then we had a few months of decent game play. Followed by the rest of the year filled with lag. Combine that with T2 BPOs - inluding tht lastest T2 BPO fiasco over shield boosters, the constant mission nerfing, the biased racial ship designs, mission nerfing, skill time sinks, salvaging time sink, invention joke, scanning fiasco, PvP blobs, Fleet battle lag, gang nerf, complex farming and game exclusion by denial of availability of said complexes (You need an alliance to fight to get to most of the complexes),,, do I need to continue ?
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.08 02:51:00 - [95] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 08/12/2006 02:54:04 Originally by: Xander XacXorien Let's go way back to Red Moon Rising last christmas and the fiasco of that implementation. I think it was over a month before there was any game to play. Then we had a few months of decent game play. Followed by the rest of the year filled with lag. Combine that with T2 BPOs - inluding tht lastest T2 BPO fiasco over shield boosters, the constant mission nerfing, the biased racial ship designs, mission nerfing, skill time sinks, salvaging time sink, invention joke, scanning fiasco, PvP blobs, Fleet battle lag, gang nerf, complex farming and game exclusion by denial of availability of said complexes (You need an alliance to fight to get to most of the complexes),,, do I need to continue ? Man, there are problems in EVE, but talk about blowing them out of proportion. I'd rather play a game with flaws than one with no redeeming qualities whatsoever (WoW). Speaking of which, if you think EVE is laggy, you haven't played World of Warcraft, where ping times can approach 7000m/s in an abandoned area and you have to wait on queue for 2 hours just to log in. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
GeekWarrior Gallente FISKL GUARDS Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.08 05:09:00 - [96] Done ----------------------------- EVE Addict, creator of the EVE Online Forms Greasemonkey Script \o/
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2006.12.08 09:07:00 - [97] Hum... there's a PvE category, and EvE is a finalist there. I'm confused, very confused.
Niccolado Starwalker	Posted - 2006.12.08 12:27:00 - [98] Voted. EVE all the way ofcource
DarkFenix Caldari Pilots From Honour	Posted - 2006.12.08 14:23:00 - [99] Voted for Eve on everything. Yup, even PvE. I wouldn't have voted for Eve, but when you put it next to WoW, Eve's PvE suddenly seems so much better.
NeoGeist	Posted - 2006.12.08 16:13:00 - [100] I'm sorry, but i cannot vote for EVE in any category besides pvp and graphics, but in terms of PvE, well, I pray that EVE loses mainly due to the whole probing ease in which causes PvE to be non-existant anymore. Maybe if this vote was done BEFORE Revalations, I'd vote for EVE for PvE, but not now. For those of you who say that there are other opportunities for PvE than just mission running, you need to do ALOT of PvP before you can reap the benefits of them. For exploration, all the good areas are in 0.0 sec or low sec and as soon as you find it, a recon prober can find you in less than 5 minutes where it took you hours upon hours to find that hidden spot. For complexes, you need to gain access via alliance or fight for them in 0.0 sec thus making missions the only real true PvE area of the game. Lvl 4 missions were probably the most fun PvE aspect of the game just to the sheer amount of things you needed to do to be successful at it; it wasn't by far the "risk free isk making occupation" considering how industry and mining works especially in the T2 market. First, you need to have a well skilled pilot, knowledge of the mission, a good tank and intelligence. Most lvl 4 missions weren't just, click, shoot, tank; you had to control aggro, know what you can and cannot hit and can and cannot tank otherwise, you'll lose you're ship. However, the best part of doing missions in general was how to complete it in the shortest amount of time while getting the most isk out of the mission. But..... When in low-sec, someone can probe you out in less than 5 minutes and kill you , thus you'll not be able to finish the mission since the prober will be there for the missions' entirety, thus causing you to decline the mission and lose standing. Before Revalations, people could still probe you out, but it was much harder and took longer, but it was balanced imho. For a person to get to lvl 4 mission running, they have to put ALOT of time, effort, isk and SP to do it and was fun getting there. For the prober, they had to do the same; lots of time trying to find the mission runner; it was difficult, but was along the same levels of what the lvl 4 mission runner had to do (this is what we like to call balance). The mission runner had a good chance to escape, but the prober had a good chance of catching the mission runner, it was just a matter of skill. With the new system, the prober does nothing, doesn't need to work at all, and can fish out any mission runner w/o any hassle whatsoever. Also, for high sec, they can grief the mission runner w/o any counterbalance. If it wasn't for the fact that I do other things in EVE besides PvE, I would've quit by now. /end rant
Frozen Fallout Gallente Mecha Enterprises Group	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:02:00 - [101] One thing I do have to say about the PvE is that its good for the people that are new to the game. Just starting out alot of what you will be doing is PvE with your incounter with PvP for most people. There are alot of diffrent PvE elements into the game but PvP does get in the way alot. I like the PvE and the PvP in the game and think mixing the two is great but I think the PvE in this game is but a shadow compared to the PvP. I haven't desided to vote on the PvE award as of yet because I am still deciding as of yet because I really don't like WoW at all and I think Eve is way better but I do know what WoW is a PvE focused game that you can do PvE with out the threat of PvP. And Eve has a good PvE that cant be done with out the Threat of PvP. So basicly Im deciding if this makes Eve's PvE better or worse. My inital reaction is worse but then again it adds an element to the PvE. Then again PvE just seems to be an element to the PvP in this game. Anyway in the end I think I will vote for Eve now that I have had some time to think about it and have read alot of the posts here. And about the whole patch messing things up this happens all the time in MMORPGs. They will fix it don't worry and yes things get nerfed and new things scare vet players in all MMORPGs. Yes there are problems with glitchs and the like from the patch but that should be expected. Ever play Ultima Online? You should see what kinda changes where made to mess that game up all the time when I big patch came out. Also be happy you don't have to pay to get the new expation for this game almost all other games would make you pay 30-50$ more just to continue playing with everyone else. Hell Ultima Online had like 5 expations that you had to pay for if you wanted the new cool stuff. CCP could be way way worse!

Kreul Intentions Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.12.08 21:03:00 - [102] Eve hath received my vote. Again. forum rules \| [email protected]

Seldon Corran	Posted - 2006.12.09 04:53:00 - [103] This is where all the players the idiot PvP'ers told to go to WoW get a vote What the hell is Eve doing in the PvE category anyway? Wrangler has stated this is a PvP game. WoW at least has PvE dedicated servers. Voted for WoW.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.09 04:54:00 - [104] Originally by: Seldon Corran What the hell is Eve doing in the PvE category anyway? Wrangler has stated this is a PvP game. WoW at least has PvE dedicated servers. Voted for WoW. PvE in a PvP game is better than PvE in a game that simply sucks balls -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2006.12.09 11:12:00 - [105] I agree that PvE only sucks, real hard. But by definition, doing a mission with somebody jumping on you all the time can not be called PvE. Maybe PvE&P or PvP&E or some other totally new accronism.
Amira Silvermist Yazata Spenta Aegis Militia	Posted - 2006.12.09 18:49:00 - [106] Edited by: Amira Silvermist on 09/12/2006 18:49:45 Originally by: Dark Shikari PvE in a PvP game is better than PvE in a game that simply sucks balls Amen Amarr racial trait: Nerfbat damage resistance 0%
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2006.12.09 19:09:00 - [107] WoW had my vote for PvE in the nomination round, Eve scammed it back with kali.
Tito Indio	Posted - 2006.12.09 21:05:00 - [108] I voted for WoW in every category.
ParMizaN Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.09 22:34:00 - [109] Originally by: Tito Indio I voted for WoW in every category. Wtf has Wow pvp got to offer?
Tito Indio	Posted - 2006.12.09 23:01:00 - [110] Originally by: ParMizaN Originally by: Tito Indio I voted for WoW in every category. Wtf has Wow pvp got to offer? It got nominated for best PvP, without having Blizzard fans and employees put up stickys, hotlinks, and mainpage articles ordering their subscribers to vote for best PvP. People nominated WoW because they wanted to, not because the producers told them to. That means it must be better.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.09 23:09:00 - [111] Originally by: Tito Indio People nominated WoW because they wanted to, not because the producers told them to. That means it must be better. Popularity is unrelated to quality. If it was related, Britney Spears would obviously be the best singer in the world. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Tito Indio	Posted - 2006.12.09 23:28:00 - [112] Edited by: Tito Indio on 09/12/2006 23:28:32 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Tito Indio People nominated WoW because they wanted to, not because the producers told them to. That means it must be better. Popularity is unrelated to quality. If it was related, Britney Spears would obviously be the best singer in the world. Then why the heck do you even care about ramrodding this vote in EVE's favor? Why the heck does CCP even care about ramrodding this vote in its favor? Most important, why does CCP put these bogus awards up on its banner, if that's really how you and everyone feels about 'em?
Araxmas Caldari Imperial Space Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.09 23:29:00 - [113] Quote: without having Blizzard fans and employees put up stickys, hotlinks, and mainpage articles ordering their subscribers to vote for best PvP. This thread was not created by a ccp employee you simpleton. --------
Tito Indio	Posted - 2006.12.09 23:30:00 - [114] Originally by: Araxmas Quote: without having Blizzard fans and employees put up stickys, hotlinks, and mainpage articles ordering their subscribers to vote for best PvP. This thread was not created by a ccp employee you simpleton. It was stickeyd by one, u tool.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.09 23:33:00 - [115] Originally by: Tito Indio Originally by: Araxmas Quote: without having Blizzard fans and employees put up stickys, hotlinks, and mainpage articles ordering their subscribers to vote for best PvP. This thread was not created by a ccp employee you simpleton. It was stickeyd by one, u tool. Moderators are not CCP employees. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Araxmas Caldari Imperial Space Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.09 23:33:00 - [116] Edited by: Araxmas on 09/12/2006 23:33:45 Originally by: Tito Indio Originally by: Araxmas Quote: without having Blizzard fans and employees put up stickys, hotlinks, and mainpage articles ordering their subscribers to vote for best PvP. This thread was not created by a ccp employee you simpleton. It was stickeyd by one, u tool. ? I said it wasn't created by one, stickying isn't thread creation. Plus i did used to play WoW and they put threads linking to the mmorpg vote. Edit: also yah like DS said, ISD aren't ccp. --------
Tito Indio	Posted - 2006.12.09 23:39:00 - [117] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Tito Indio Originally by: Araxmas Quote: without having Blizzard fans and employees put up stickys, hotlinks, and mainpage articles ordering their subscribers to vote for best PvP. This thread was not created by a ccp employee you simpleton. It was stickeyd by one, u tool. Moderators are not CCP employees. They are employees that don't get paid by CCP, prolly 'cause CCP is too cheap. Plus, you are linking your sig to a commercial fansite linked to people who take money from EVE. I call that a vested fanboi interest. Nobody answered my question though. If the awards are just a popularity contest, and don't have anything to do with the game being "the best," why do CCP voulenteers, CCP fans, and CCP care about what goes on in MMORPG.com?
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.10 00:28:00 - [118] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 10/12/2006 00:30:50 Originally by: Tito Indio They are employees that don't get paid by CCP, prolly 'cause CCP is too cheap. Wrong. They are volunteers. Originally by: Tito Indio Plus, you are linking your sig to a commercial fansite linked to people who take money from EVE. I call that a vested fanboi interest. No, its because I write for them. And what do you mean by "commercial fansite"? They don't sell anything. Also note that StarGamer.net is a totally separate project, completely unrelated to EVE Online. Originally by: Tito Indio Nobody answered my question though. If the awards are just a popularity contest, and don't have anything to do with the game being "the best," why do CCP voulenteers, CCP fans, and CCP care about what goes on in MMORPG.com? Because publicity = more players, obviously. It appears that you hate EVE. If so, why are you posting here? -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.10 01:09:00 - [119] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 10/12/2006 01:08:44 Originally by: Tito Indio Originally by: Dark Shikari Wrong. They are volunteers. They take orders from CCP staff. They do CCP's work. They work for CCP, and are employees that just don't take a check. I do CCP's work by answering newbies' questions on the forums. That doesn't make me an employee. Originally by: Tito Indio Originally by: Dark Shikari No, its because I write for them. And what do you mean by "commercial fansite"? They don't sell anything. Also note that StarGamer.net is a totally separate project, completely unrelated to EVE Online. It is co-produced by CCP employees. You work for the site. There are commercial ads on there. It is connected to EVE's sucess, because it is done by people who are vested in EVE's sucess. Correction. It is produced by a single CCP employee as a separate project completely unrelated to EVE Online. It is not connected to EVE's success, as if EVE Online went bottom up, it would not stop existing, as it is totally separate. How many times do I have to say this? Originally by: Tito Indio Because I like EVE, but I am embarassed to say I like EVE to my friends at MMORPG.com. There is a lot of hate over there toward EVE 'cause of CCP and EVE pushing their subscribers to join up just to nominate EVE, vote, take the award, and never care about MMORPG.com again. Then MMORPG.com should make it a closed vote. Quite honestly, this kind of "awards" system is BUILT for the sole purpose of ballot stuffing. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Tito Indio	Posted - 2006.12.10 01:36:00 - [120] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 10/12/2006 01:08:44 I do CCP's work by answering newbies' questions on the forums. That doesn't make me an employee. You may not take a check, but you still love CCP enough to do things in their interest. Originally by: Dark Shikari Correction. It is produced by a single CCP employee as a separate project completely unrelated to EVE Online. It is not connected to EVE's success, as if EVE Online went bottom up, it would not stop existing, as it is totally separate. How many times do I have to say this? They talk about EVE on that site. I would argue excessively over the other games. If it were not connected to EVE, then EVE wouldn't be promoted by them. Originally by: Dark Shikari Then MMORPG.com should make it a closed vote. Quite honestly, this kind of "awards" system is BUILT for the sole purpose of ballot stuffing. So if the award is a joke that is prone to ballot stuffing, why are fans, paid employees, and unpaid employee/volunteers wasting valuable sticky and website space trying to stuff the ballot box? Do they care about being rewarded for excellence? Or rewarded for pwning the awards, so that good games from small devs can get buried?
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.10 01:49:00 - [121] Originally by: Tito Indio You may not take a check, but you still love CCP enough to do things in their interest. So if you like anything enough to do something in someone else's interest, you're an employee? I believe you should stop trying to redefine words in the English language. Originally by: Tito Indio They talk about EVE on that site. I would argue excessively over the other games. If it were not connected to EVE, then EVE wouldn't be promoted by them. "They"? What do you mean, "they"? And how "excessively"? There isn't even a review for the game on the site last I saw. What the hell are you smoking? Originally by: Tito Indio So if the award is a joke that is prone to ballot stuffing, why are fans, paid employees, and unpaid employee/volunteers wasting valuable sticky and website space trying to stuff the ballot box? Because they want to promote their favorite game. And "valuable sticky space"? You're hilarious. Originally by: Tito Indio Do they care about being rewarded for excellence? Or rewarded for pwning the awards, so that good games from small devs can get buried? "Good games from small devs"? You just defined EVE -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Tito Indio	Posted - 2006.12.10 02:16:00 - [122] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Tito Indio You may not take a check, but you still love CCP enough to do things in their interest. So if you like anything enough to do something in someone else's interest, you're an employee? I believe you should stop trying to redefine words in the English language. Didn't say you were an employee, but you do things in the interest of CCP, whether or not it is the right thing to do. Originally by: Dark Shikari "They"? What do you mean, "they"? And how "excessively"? There isn't even a review for the game on the site last I saw. What the hell are you smoking? They talk about fanfest, about Kali, and promote all the things EVE wants consumers to know. I bet you'll never see anything negative about EVE there though. Originally by: Dark Shikari Because they want to promote their favorite game. And "valuable sticky space"? You're hilarious. How does winning an award that you just admitted is a "ballot stuffing" gimmick promoting this game in a positive way? To me man, I'd want to win the award 'cause I produce the best game. Not 'cause I do whatever it takes to ramrod the award in my favor, whether or not I produce the best game. Originally by: Dark Shikari "Good games from small devs"? You just defined EVE Not really. EVE is a good game. It is not the best game. CCP isn't the biggest developer, but it aint small like it used to be. Most of the best games in each category never got through the nomination process. Then again, when a big 150,000 subscription powerhouse like the EVE community works to stuff the ballot box, aint nothing but a WoW can stop it. Meanwhile, poor, cash-strapped games like Ryzom are looking for financial backing, and could really use the exposure from those who wanna see online games develop in new directions. Not the stale old stuff games like WoW and EVE have been pushin' for years.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.10 02:39:00 - [123] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 10/12/2006 02:39:31 Originally by: Tito Indio Meanwhile, poor, cash-strapped games like Ryzom are looking for financial backing, and could really use the exposure from those who wanna see online games develop in new directions. Not the stale old stuff games like WoW and EVE have been pushin' for years. Ryzom is poor for a reason. The game sucks. Sorry. It is clear by your posts that you believe there are MMORPGs out there superior to EVE. If so, why don't you play them instead of whining here? -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Tito Indio	Posted - 2006.12.10 02:49:00 - [124] Originally by: Dark Shikari It is clear by your posts that you believe there are MMORPGs out there superior to EVE. If so, why don't you play them instead of whining here? I do. Can't I play EVE too? I gotta have something to do in the two weeks it takes while my next skill trains.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.10 02:52:00 - [125] Originally by: Tito Indio Originally by: Dark Shikari It is clear by your posts that you believe there are MMORPGs out there superior to EVE. If so, why don't you play them instead of whining here? I do. Can't I play EVE too? I gotta have something to do in the two weeks it takes while my next skill trains. You know, in those two weeks... you could play EVE too P.S. I don't only play EVE, either. My second-favorite currently-existing MMORPG wasn't even on the nomination list. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Araxmas Caldari Imperial Space Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.10 13:53:00 - [126] In total i have played about 7 mmo's Once i was subscribed to 4 at one given time. And from what ive learnt is... Planetside = Outdated engine, repetative, ruined with implementation of BFR Gw = Heck it was free so i bought it EvE = Different, although the forums are to be avoided WoW = Is alright but noting i haven't seen before. EQ2 = Quite liked this game but has very little users. RF-Online = How the heck did this even get produced, shame Matrix-online = Same as above Runescape = Friends asked me to play this one, would be a fun sort of mini-game to play if it didn't have the same community as WoW ("z0mg noob give me rune for free noob!!11") --------
Seldon Corran	Posted - 2006.12.10 16:34:00 - [127] The only way WoW will not win the award is if the WoW community and indeed Blizzard couldn't give a rats ass about it.. I mean come on.. compare the subscriptions! Not like Blizzard needs to advertise their game with winning an award of this nature.
Seldon Corran	Posted - 2006.12.10 16:37:00 - [128] Edited by: Seldon Corran on 10/12/2006 16:38:05 Double Post
Kalahari Wayrest	Posted - 2006.12.10 23:52:00 - [129] ok here's how I voted...(and imo Dana Massey or whoever was writing the descriptions for which game to vote for is so biased, dare I say snide in her descriptions :P) graphics: out of Wow, EQ2 and EVE I went EVE. Frankly because I find a more realistic representation more visually appealling than garish colours or cartoony sprites, regardless of the engines or cards or whatever story: I think it was WoW, Saga of Rhyzom and EVE. I went EVE. I haven't played Saga of Rhyzom so I can't say for sure. The only thing I really like about WoW story is that (even though the player base takes it that way) alliance can be seen as the ebil ones. I mean, they're pretty much territorial expansionist pigdogs However, not much of the 'story' is integrated well into the game, and it's static, it doesn't really seem to develop. PVE: I went WoW. Even though the 'my the fans of this game certainly are tenacious!' comment made me snarl a bit. Technically, EVE pve can be more exciting as you have more to lose but...I know at the end of the day I'm pew pewing at a load of red crosses. Although Dark's argued convincingly that the EVE missions vs WoW quests are actually more varied...before the grind sets in when you first begin playing WoW they 'seem' like they aren't formulaic go do this and get that...Obviously this wears off, but I still think WoW wins on the quests. PVP: Do I even need to say WoW has nothing on Eve in this respect. Nothing. Out of the newcomers, neither interested me so I voted on the bin. Out of new games coming out, I was most interested in lord of the rings (even though I am a tad pessimistic about it) Overall game was EVE, most of the time I'd agree comparing the two games are completely pointless because they're different games doing different things. But on a personal level, I generally prefer the style and concept of EVE, and definately prefer the community. WoW is where I go when I need to mindlessly hit stuff for a short period of time. __________________________ Indulge Me Consider Yourself Indulged - Immy ♥ Wow immy scored - Xorus
Grez Minmatar The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2006.12.12 14:38:00 - [130] Edited by: Grez on 12/12/2006 14:37:56 Apparently they think we're creating 100's of accounts and voting for EVE. Especialy one little douche, who thinks you spend 90% of the time playing EVE zoomed out... Idiots. Oh, and they say we should be banned for having a link on the main page and on the forums. --- Cache Clearer Still waiting for a Wrangler-edit!
Cividari Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.12 22:59:00 - [131] Heh, you know the MMO market sucks when WoW get nominated for best pvp and Eve get nominated for best pve. As for the discussion on eve vs wow pve im not sure which one is best but its just sad that there isnt anything better around. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.12.13 05:24:00 - [132] Would vote; pre-RMR. Sorry. It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.13 11:17:00 - [133] Originally by: Exiled One Would vote; pre-RMR. Sorry. Uh, pre-RMR? RMR was a year ago, you mean Kali? -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Ignis Penitus Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.13 11:30:00 - [134] I'll go vote right after my petition is resolved.
Vediovis Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.13 13:56:00 - [135] Vote or you'll loose -------------------------------------------------- [m]
XrayZ Euphoria Foundation	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:13:00 - [136] DOWN WITH WoW! EVE 4TW!!!one!!!!one!!eleven! but seriously now.... we should hack blizzards servers... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Tellok	Posted - 2006.12.13 17:36:00 - [137] Originally by: Ignis Penitus I'll go vote right after my petition is resolved. the 2007 awards are just around the corner!
Daddy's Belt Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.13 22:27:00 - [138] Originally by: Tito Indio Or rewarded for pwning the awards, so that good games from small devs can get buried? Name one. (Please don't say Face of Mankind.) Someone's gonna get a buttwhippin'!
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.13 22:36:00 - [139] Edited by: Patch86 on 13/12/2006 22:36:20 This not sticky material anymore? Edit: Apparently its just malfunctioning glue........... -----------------------------------------------

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