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Zed Nash	Posted - 2006.12.08 02:11:00 - [91] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Xander XacXorien After Revelations Eve does not deserve my vote. Quite simply other games do things a lot better. Hopefully things will improve soon otherwise my two accounts will be leaving. Something tells me that everyone with this kind of response is new to MMORPGs Been gaming for close to 10 years, Eve for 3, he's spot on. The game's in the worst shape it's ever been in.......... "Maya Rkell is my online stalker."
Xander XacXorien	Posted - 2006.12.08 02:12:00 - [92] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Xander XacXorien After Revelations Eve does not deserve my vote. Quite simply other games do things a lot better. Hopefully things will improve soon otherwise my two accounts will be leaving. Something tells me that everyone with this kind of response is new to MMORPGs Quite franly that's an assumtion. My experience VS yours. The point is in that in my opinion Eve and CCP have done alot over the past years to get the worst possible result they could expect. I'm a customer and I'm gonna vote based on my experience. Think well on it CCP.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.08 02:32:00 - [93] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 08/12/2006 02:32:41 Originally by: Xander XacXorien Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Xander XacXorien After Revelations Eve does not deserve my vote. Quite simply other games do things a lot better. Hopefully things will improve soon otherwise my two accounts will be leaving. Something tells me that everyone with this kind of response is new to MMORPGs Quite franly that's an assumtion. My experience VS yours. The point is in that in my opinion Eve and CCP have done alot over the past years to get the worst possible result they could expect. I'm a customer and I'm gonna vote based on my experience. Think well on it CCP. I do not know a single MMORPG in my experience that hasn't had worse problems than EVE. Voting on a game based on a few days' worth of CTDs is just stupid. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Xander XacXorien	Posted - 2006.12.08 02:47:00 - [94] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 08/12/2006 02:32:41 Originally by: Xander XacXorien Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Xander XacXorien After Revelations Eve does not deserve my vote. Quite simply other games do things a lot better. Hopefully things will improve soon otherwise my two accounts will be leaving. Something tells me that everyone with this kind of response is new to MMORPGs Quite franly that's an assumtion. My experience VS yours. The point is in that in my opinion Eve and CCP have done alot over the past years to get the worst possible result they could expect. I'm a customer and I'm gonna vote based on my experience. Think well on it CCP. I do not know a single MMORPG in my experience that hasn't had worse problems than EVE. Voting on a game based on a few days' worth of CTDs is just stupid. Let's go way back to Red Moon Rising last christmas and the fiasco of that implementation. I think it was over a month before there was any game to play. Then we had a few months of decent game play. Followed by the rest of the year filled with lag. Combine that with T2 BPOs - inluding tht lastest T2 BPO fiasco over shield boosters, the constant mission nerfing, the biased racial ship designs, mission nerfing, skill time sinks, salvaging time sink, invention joke, scanning fiasco, PvP blobs, Fleet battle lag, gang nerf, complex farming and game exclusion by denial of availability of said complexes (You need an alliance to fight to get to most of the complexes),,, do I need to continue ?
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.08 02:51:00 - [95] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 08/12/2006 02:54:04 Originally by: Xander XacXorien Let's go way back to Red Moon Rising last christmas and the fiasco of that implementation. I think it was over a month before there was any game to play. Then we had a few months of decent game play. Followed by the rest of the year filled with lag. Combine that with T2 BPOs - inluding tht lastest T2 BPO fiasco over shield boosters, the constant mission nerfing, the biased racial ship designs, mission nerfing, skill time sinks, salvaging time sink, invention joke, scanning fiasco, PvP blobs, Fleet battle lag, gang nerf, complex farming and game exclusion by denial of availability of said complexes (You need an alliance to fight to get to most of the complexes),,, do I need to continue ? Man, there are problems in EVE, but talk about blowing them out of proportion. I'd rather play a game with flaws than one with no redeeming qualities whatsoever (WoW). Speaking of which, if you think EVE is laggy, you haven't played World of Warcraft, where ping times can approach 7000m/s in an abandoned area and you have to wait on queue for 2 hours just to log in. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
GeekWarrior Gallente FISKL GUARDS Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.08 05:09:00 - [96] Done ----------------------------- EVE Addict, creator of the EVE Online Forms Greasemonkey Script \o/
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2006.12.08 09:07:00 - [97] Hum... there's a PvE category, and EvE is a finalist there. I'm confused, very confused.
Niccolado Starwalker	Posted - 2006.12.08 12:27:00 - [98] Voted. EVE all the way ofcource
DarkFenix Caldari Pilots From Honour	Posted - 2006.12.08 14:23:00 - [99] Voted for Eve on everything. Yup, even PvE. I wouldn't have voted for Eve, but when you put it next to WoW, Eve's PvE suddenly seems so much better.
NeoGeist	Posted - 2006.12.08 16:13:00 - [100] I'm sorry, but i cannot vote for EVE in any category besides pvp and graphics, but in terms of PvE, well, I pray that EVE loses mainly due to the whole probing ease in which causes PvE to be non-existant anymore. Maybe if this vote was done BEFORE Revalations, I'd vote for EVE for PvE, but not now. For those of you who say that there are other opportunities for PvE than just mission running, you need to do ALOT of PvP before you can reap the benefits of them. For exploration, all the good areas are in 0.0 sec or low sec and as soon as you find it, a recon prober can find you in less than 5 minutes where it took you hours upon hours to find that hidden spot. For complexes, you need to gain access via alliance or fight for them in 0.0 sec thus making missions the only real true PvE area of the game. Lvl 4 missions were probably the most fun PvE aspect of the game just to the sheer amount of things you needed to do to be successful at it; it wasn't by far the "risk free isk making occupation" considering how industry and mining works especially in the T2 market. First, you need to have a well skilled pilot, knowledge of the mission, a good tank and intelligence. Most lvl 4 missions weren't just, click, shoot, tank; you had to control aggro, know what you can and cannot hit and can and cannot tank otherwise, you'll lose you're ship. However, the best part of doing missions in general was how to complete it in the shortest amount of time while getting the most isk out of the mission. But..... When in low-sec, someone can probe you out in less than 5 minutes and kill you , thus you'll not be able to finish the mission since the prober will be there for the missions' entirety, thus causing you to decline the mission and lose standing. Before Revalations, people could still probe you out, but it was much harder and took longer, but it was balanced imho. For a person to get to lvl 4 mission running, they have to put ALOT of time, effort, isk and SP to do it and was fun getting there. For the prober, they had to do the same; lots of time trying to find the mission runner; it was difficult, but was along the same levels of what the lvl 4 mission runner had to do (this is what we like to call balance). The mission runner had a good chance to escape, but the prober had a good chance of catching the mission runner, it was just a matter of skill. With the new system, the prober does nothing, doesn't need to work at all, and can fish out any mission runner w/o any hassle whatsoever. Also, for high sec, they can grief the mission runner w/o any counterbalance. If it wasn't for the fact that I do other things in EVE besides PvE, I would've quit by now. /end rant
Frozen Fallout Gallente Mecha Enterprises Group	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:02:00 - [101] One thing I do have to say about the PvE is that its good for the people that are new to the game. Just starting out alot of what you will be doing is PvE with your incounter with PvP for most people. There are alot of diffrent PvE elements into the game but PvP does get in the way alot. I like the PvE and the PvP in the game and think mixing the two is great but I think the PvE in this game is but a shadow compared to the PvP. I haven't desided to vote on the PvE award as of yet because I am still deciding as of yet because I really don't like WoW at all and I think Eve is way better but I do know what WoW is a PvE focused game that you can do PvE with out the threat of PvP. And Eve has a good PvE that cant be done with out the Threat of PvP. So basicly Im deciding if this makes Eve's PvE better or worse. My inital reaction is worse but then again it adds an element to the PvE. Then again PvE just seems to be an element to the PvP in this game. Anyway in the end I think I will vote for Eve now that I have had some time to think about it and have read alot of the posts here. And about the whole patch messing things up this happens all the time in MMORPGs. They will fix it don't worry and yes things get nerfed and new things scare vet players in all MMORPGs. Yes there are problems with glitchs and the like from the patch but that should be expected. Ever play Ultima Online? You should see what kinda changes where made to mess that game up all the time when I big patch came out. Also be happy you don't have to pay to get the new expation for this game almost all other games would make you pay 30-50$ more just to continue playing with everyone else. Hell Ultima Online had like 5 expations that you had to pay for if you wanted the new cool stuff. CCP could be way way worse!

Kreul Intentions Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.12.08 21:03:00 - [102] Eve hath received my vote. Again. forum rules \| [email protected]

Seldon Corran	Posted - 2006.12.09 04:53:00 - [103] This is where all the players the idiot PvP'ers told to go to WoW get a vote What the hell is Eve doing in the PvE category anyway? Wrangler has stated this is a PvP game. WoW at least has PvE dedicated servers. Voted for WoW.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.09 04:54:00 - [104] Originally by: Seldon Corran What the hell is Eve doing in the PvE category anyway? Wrangler has stated this is a PvP game. WoW at least has PvE dedicated servers. Voted for WoW. PvE in a PvP game is better than PvE in a game that simply sucks balls -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2006.12.09 11:12:00 - [105] I agree that PvE only sucks, real hard. But by definition, doing a mission with somebody jumping on you all the time can not be called PvE. Maybe PvE&P or PvP&E or some other totally new accronism.
Amira Silvermist Yazata Spenta Aegis Militia	Posted - 2006.12.09 18:49:00 - [106] Edited by: Amira Silvermist on 09/12/2006 18:49:45 Originally by: Dark Shikari PvE in a PvP game is better than PvE in a game that simply sucks balls Amen Amarr racial trait: Nerfbat damage resistance 0%
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2006.12.09 19:09:00 - [107] WoW had my vote for PvE in the nomination round, Eve scammed it back with kali.
Tito Indio	Posted - 2006.12.09 21:05:00 - [108] I voted for WoW in every category.
ParMizaN Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.09 22:34:00 - [109] Originally by: Tito Indio I voted for WoW in every category. Wtf has Wow pvp got to offer?
Tito Indio	Posted - 2006.12.09 23:01:00 - [110] Originally by: ParMizaN Originally by: Tito Indio I voted for WoW in every category. Wtf has Wow pvp got to offer? It got nominated for best PvP, without having Blizzard fans and employees put up stickys, hotlinks, and mainpage articles ordering their subscribers to vote for best PvP. People nominated WoW because they wanted to, not because the producers told them to. That means it must be better.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.09 23:09:00 - [111] Originally by: Tito Indio People nominated WoW because they wanted to, not because the producers told them to. That means it must be better. Popularity is unrelated to quality. If it was related, Britney Spears would obviously be the best singer in the world. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Tito Indio	Posted - 2006.12.09 23:28:00 - [112] Edited by: Tito Indio on 09/12/2006 23:28:32 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Tito Indio People nominated WoW because they wanted to, not because the producers told them to. That means it must be better. Popularity is unrelated to quality. If it was related, Britney Spears would obviously be the best singer in the world. Then why the heck do you even care about ramrodding this vote in EVE's favor? Why the heck does CCP even care about ramrodding this vote in its favor? Most important, why does CCP put these bogus awards up on its banner, if that's really how you and everyone feels about 'em?
Araxmas Caldari Imperial Space Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.09 23:29:00 - [113] Quote: without having Blizzard fans and employees put up stickys, hotlinks, and mainpage articles ordering their subscribers to vote for best PvP. This thread was not created by a ccp employee you simpleton. --------
Tito Indio	Posted - 2006.12.09 23:30:00 - [114] Originally by: Araxmas Quote: without having Blizzard fans and employees put up stickys, hotlinks, and mainpage articles ordering their subscribers to vote for best PvP. This thread was not created by a ccp employee you simpleton. It was stickeyd by one, u tool.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.09 23:33:00 - [115] Originally by: Tito Indio Originally by: Araxmas Quote: without having Blizzard fans and employees put up stickys, hotlinks, and mainpage articles ordering their subscribers to vote for best PvP. This thread was not created by a ccp employee you simpleton. It was stickeyd by one, u tool. Moderators are not CCP employees. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Araxmas Caldari Imperial Space Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.09 23:33:00 - [116] Edited by: Araxmas on 09/12/2006 23:33:45 Originally by: Tito Indio Originally by: Araxmas Quote: without having Blizzard fans and employees put up stickys, hotlinks, and mainpage articles ordering their subscribers to vote for best PvP. This thread was not created by a ccp employee you simpleton. It was stickeyd by one, u tool. ? I said it wasn't created by one, stickying isn't thread creation. Plus i did used to play WoW and they put threads linking to the mmorpg vote. Edit: also yah like DS said, ISD aren't ccp. --------
Tito Indio	Posted - 2006.12.09 23:39:00 - [117] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Tito Indio Originally by: Araxmas Quote: without having Blizzard fans and employees put up stickys, hotlinks, and mainpage articles ordering their subscribers to vote for best PvP. This thread was not created by a ccp employee you simpleton. It was stickeyd by one, u tool. Moderators are not CCP employees. They are employees that don't get paid by CCP, prolly 'cause CCP is too cheap. Plus, you are linking your sig to a commercial fansite linked to people who take money from EVE. I call that a vested fanboi interest. Nobody answered my question though. If the awards are just a popularity contest, and don't have anything to do with the game being "the best," why do CCP voulenteers, CCP fans, and CCP care about what goes on in MMORPG.com?
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.10 00:28:00 - [118] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 10/12/2006 00:30:50 Originally by: Tito Indio They are employees that don't get paid by CCP, prolly 'cause CCP is too cheap. Wrong. They are volunteers. Originally by: Tito Indio Plus, you are linking your sig to a commercial fansite linked to people who take money from EVE. I call that a vested fanboi interest. No, its because I write for them. And what do you mean by "commercial fansite"? They don't sell anything. Also note that StarGamer.net is a totally separate project, completely unrelated to EVE Online. Originally by: Tito Indio Nobody answered my question though. If the awards are just a popularity contest, and don't have anything to do with the game being "the best," why do CCP voulenteers, CCP fans, and CCP care about what goes on in MMORPG.com? Because publicity = more players, obviously. It appears that you hate EVE. If so, why are you posting here? -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.10 01:09:00 - [119] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 10/12/2006 01:08:44 Originally by: Tito Indio Originally by: Dark Shikari Wrong. They are volunteers. They take orders from CCP staff. They do CCP's work. They work for CCP, and are employees that just don't take a check. I do CCP's work by answering newbies' questions on the forums. That doesn't make me an employee. Originally by: Tito Indio Originally by: Dark Shikari No, its because I write for them. And what do you mean by "commercial fansite"? They don't sell anything. Also note that StarGamer.net is a totally separate project, completely unrelated to EVE Online. It is co-produced by CCP employees. You work for the site. There are commercial ads on there. It is connected to EVE's sucess, because it is done by people who are vested in EVE's sucess. Correction. It is produced by a single CCP employee as a separate project completely unrelated to EVE Online. It is not connected to EVE's success, as if EVE Online went bottom up, it would not stop existing, as it is totally separate. How many times do I have to say this? Originally by: Tito Indio Because I like EVE, but I am embarassed to say I like EVE to my friends at MMORPG.com. There is a lot of hate over there toward EVE 'cause of CCP and EVE pushing their subscribers to join up just to nominate EVE, vote, take the award, and never care about MMORPG.com again. Then MMORPG.com should make it a closed vote. Quite honestly, this kind of "awards" system is BUILT for the sole purpose of ballot stuffing. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Tito Indio	Posted - 2006.12.10 01:36:00 - [120] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 10/12/2006 01:08:44 I do CCP's work by answering newbies' questions on the forums. That doesn't make me an employee. You may not take a check, but you still love CCP enough to do things in their interest. Originally by: Dark Shikari Correction. It is produced by a single CCP employee as a separate project completely unrelated to EVE Online. It is not connected to EVE's success, as if EVE Online went bottom up, it would not stop existing, as it is totally separate. How many times do I have to say this? They talk about EVE on that site. I would argue excessively over the other games. If it were not connected to EVE, then EVE wouldn't be promoted by them. Originally by: Dark Shikari Then MMORPG.com should make it a closed vote. Quite honestly, this kind of "awards" system is BUILT for the sole purpose of ballot stuffing. So if the award is a joke that is prone to ballot stuffing, why are fans, paid employees, and unpaid employee/volunteers wasting valuable sticky and website space trying to stuff the ballot box? Do they care about being rewarded for excellence? Or rewarded for pwning the awards, so that good games from small devs can get buried?

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