Just like ECM's always have a SMALL CHANCE of success no matter how low the strength of the jammer vs the ecm strength, a quick and easy balance would be that they ALWAYS have a Small Chance of failure when the jammer has 100% chance of success by being above the RADAR strength.



Just have a 5% chance of failure built into a Jammer when it is over the ECM Strength of the target - this is a small but easy balance that makes a SMALL chance for a target to be able to not get perma-jammed and be somewhat functional on the field.

For the last time, Caldari get one EWAR. ONE! Not two like everyone else, just one. The tradeoff it is very powerful and can fully prevent you from locking anyone when successful. Drones still work, F.O.F. still work, smartbombs still work, your tank still works.

Your argument about dampening having the chance to miss and so ECM needs to be nerfed is stupid. ECM also has optimal and falloff and the math works the same way. If you exceed the optimal distance from the target, your effective strength starts going down. If it falls enough, you can no longer permajam the target. The target could also fit ECCM which counters ECM - just like sensor boosters counter sensor damps - and will make any target over a frigate unable to be permajammed. You do realize that th MOST strength you can get on your own (without an information warfare linking booster) out of a Recon is under 17 points, overheated, right? Most call it a day around 14.5, which won't even permajam a T1 battlecruiser.

What is the problem here?

Dampeners actually have a falloff and chance to miss when you're too far. They also don't totally stop you from being able to operate like ECM does.


ECM permajam is 100% **** you - a Dampener still lets you lock close targets and so on - or can be countered with a Sensor Booster or Remote Sensor Boosters. Permajam is unstoppable.

All other EWAR can be counter-acted with Player Skills.


Tracking Disrupted? Get Closer, Lower Angular Velocity.


Sensor Damps? Same thing - Adjust by getting closer or better coordination.


ECM? Nothing you can do to counter-act that with player skill.


Permajamming is too powerful and needs a slight nip to cut it down from being 100% effective. 5% guaranteed fail rate is more than reasonable given the power of ECM.

Please define perma jammed.

There is never 100% chance of success. Each module acts on its own so there is always a certain percent chance of success: when you stack them, you are just pulling the probability in your favor towards 100, but the forumlas never let you hit 100%. ECM does completely shut you down (unless you have drones...) but it also is the only one with a chance of not working at all. A damper will always dampen as long as you are in range.

knowing that every additional ECM module MIGHT help keep the target locked down.

Solution: Remove chance from the functionality, bringing it more in line with other EWARs. Chance should never really have been a factor in a game like EVE in the first place.

For example, have it break lock on activation, and increase scan resolution for duration. Do not prevent re-locking. Adjust cycle time and ship bonuses so that only certain ships (blackbird etc) can perma jam a target. Ideally, one bonused ewar platform would have to choose between locking down a single target, or disrupting multiple targets. Perhaps not the best idea, but better then the current function imo.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaat? Someone that understands how ECM works?

Why I never....

Solution: Remove chance from the functionality, bringing it more in line with other EWARs. Chance should never really have been a factor in a game like EVE in the first place.

For example, have it break lock on activation, and increase scan resolution for duration. Do not prevent re-locking. Adjust cycle time and ship bonuses so that only certain ships (blackbird etc) can perma jam a target. Ideally, one bonused ewar platform would have to choose between locking down a single target, or disrupting multiple targets. Perhaps not the best idea, but better then the current function imo.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ECM#ECM


The chance of one module to jam one ship on one cycle is p = ECM strength / ship sensor strength. (For the ECM module the strength against that ship's racial sensor type is used.) Hence, the probability that the jam fails is 1-p, the probability that at N jammers all fail is (1-p)^N, and so the the probability that at least one jammer succeeds is 1-(1-p)^N, assuming each jammer is of similar type. (The formula for different strengths of jammers is left as exercise.)


ECM Strenth = 12
Ship Sensor = 12

p = 12 / 12
p = 1

1-p = 0 = 0% chance of failure.


Dur.

There are other situations such as against frigates or cruisers which those ships get far too much advantage and shouldn't be able to have 0% chance of failure.


Introducing a small chance of failure would be valuable for those ships.

Stating that simply because all ships do not suffer from this problem doesn't mean that there isn't a problem.


Smaller ships especially deserve a chance to get a chance to lock even from specialized ECM ships - this is not a function of the ISK value of a ship permitting dominance over a ship with less ISK value - it's a function of a game mechanic requiring the chance for ships to operate on the field.

a 5% chance to resist 100% chance of ECM resists... the tragedy indeed.

OMG TOTAL NERF OF ECM.

Lol

Get over yourselves. It's about keeping things sensible. With a 15% chance of jamming you get way too much jamming as it is. Over 50% jamming and that means that out of a 120 second engagement you can only act for 60 seconds average.

That means you lose half your DPS, half your logistics repair.


Sensor damps work best at range, when you're not getting warp scrammed - if you're getting damped, you get a warp in point on your targets and you warp to them and then the sensor damps mean nothing. Tracking disruption is the same thing - despite the nature of their effect, they can be countered with smart piloting and action regardless of modules.

ECM shouldn't have a 100% chance of success against any ships in the game.