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DizzixX Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.12.07 00:11:00 - [1] So I was looking more closely at both the rokh and the drake today and is it just me or are the caldari ships a bit on the uber side again? I am not looking for a fight but I think maybe some re thinking should be done. Anyone that can point out significant weaknesses I would really like to hear. Your Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Blood Arch Templar, wrecking for 447.5 damage.
Zekk Pacus Caldari StateCorp	Posted - 2006.12.07 00:13:00 - [2] The Rokh's slow, has cap issues and isn't high on the damage side. The Drake's slow, has no RoF bonus and requires a friend if it's going PvPing.
Rephern Muare Caldari THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.07 00:14:00 - [3] Edited by: Rephern Muare on 07/12/2006 00:14:59 Somebody hand this guy a nerfbat. edit: Rokh trades damage for range and as for the Drake, I believe it's on par with the other t2 bc's
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.12.07 00:17:00 - [4] I'd be willing to trade the Kinetic and resists bonuses for a ROF and missile velocity bonus set for the Drake, but the current short-range setup it is given is unique for the Caldari. A missile boat that has defense instead of longrange. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Ciphero Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.12.07 00:20:00 - [5] Rokh: Only tier 3 with no damage bonus, traditional Caldari fatness and poor cap. Drake: Honestly not sure, I dislike missiles :) Before anyone yells "but omg u cna use da high dmg amo further away u dnt need dmg bonus!!!111¼", consider that the Rokh is an obvious fleet ship - probably the most obvious in the game - and that nobody is going to be using antimatter (or, indeed, anything but spike or iron) in the Rokh's railguns in the usual 200km battles.
Shayla Sh'inlux Gallente The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2006.12.07 00:27:00 - [6] As shown by murder one in the now deleted Kali Testing forum, a tech I fitted Rokh outdamages a tech II fitted Megathron at any range except for the small window between 140km and 160km, where a Mega does slightly more damage. This is thanks to the nerfing of the damage on Spike. This is also not accounting for the better tracking the Rokh will have for not using Spike. I think everyone agrees that a fleet Mega does enough damage so I don't see why the Rokh doesn't. It also has a better fleet-tank in its shields with built-in resists. As for the Drake, I think it's fine now with the RoF bonus removed. If it wants to do blaster-like damage it has to give up versatility. It's still wrong you can't really solo-break its tank without a setup designed to do so, but at least you can always warp off when you're out of cap. Originally by: "Cy4n1d3" You can't PVP with 4 mids.
Byzan Zwyth Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.07 00:29:00 - [7] range bonus can in some ways be considered a damage bonus comparing range to what another ship fires, a ship with a range bonus can fire to the same range with more damaging amo. ---------------------- I fly Amarr and Gallente ships Amarr because they peow peow - and look cool... Gallente because they are effective
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.07 00:34:00 - [8] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 07/12/2006 00:35:11 The Rokh is also far too good as a blastership. I mean, seriously, WTF... EDIT: Pointed out what Shayla pointed out, but... since she pointed it out... deleted It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
DiuxDium The Graduates	Posted - 2006.12.07 00:39:00 - [9] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 07/12/2006 00:35:11 The Rokh is also far too good as a blastership. I mean, seriously, WTF... EDIT: Pointed out what Shayla pointed out, but... since she pointed it out... deleted Have you fought a Blaster-Rohk on TQ? If not, you've got no basis to make such a statment beyond pen and paper. I make sigs for free. Do Eve-Mail me if you're intrested.
DizzixX Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.12.07 00:42:00 - [10] I dont want a nerfbat, I wanted to discuss it, why do people always flip out and think you are trying to nerf? A nerf thread reads as follow "OMFG Devs The rokh and drake and freaking way to uber, they are eating all the biscutts!!!!" or something equally un relavent or annoying, or childish. I simply wanted to see how other people feel, and seeing as I dont know a ridiculous amount about ship stats I thought it would be best to ask around. And some people seem to agree at least a little about a thing or two. Your Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Blood Arch Templar, wrecking for 447.5 damage.
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.07 00:47:00 - [11] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 07/12/2006 00:48:08 Originally by: DizzixX I simply wanted to see how other people feel, and seeing as I dont know a ridiculous amount about ship stats I thought it would be best to ask around. And we told you. What's the big deal? If you make a thread titled: "IS X OVERPOWERED?", and ask people to tell you whether you think X is overpowered, well... guess what? You are going to to have people who want X WTFBBQed with smokey nerfbat flavour... and you are going to have people who think X is gimped, and flame those who want tasty meaty nerf-flavored BBQ goodness. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
DizzixX Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.12.07 00:52:00 - [12] so far I have really only seen one side of the two Your Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Blood Arch Templar, wrecking for 447.5 damage.
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.07 01:15:00 - [13] Originally by: DizzixX so far I have really only seen one side of the two There appears to be people in this thread from both crowds (the "caldari is overpowered" crowd, and the "caldari needs a buff QQ" crowd)... It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.07 01:31:00 - [14] Edited by: Breed Love on 07/12/2006 01:31:39 Blaster rokh is utter crap compared to a properly fitted hype. I see a bunch of people using this funny 4 nos and 4 torps setup with a rather unbreakable shield tank on sisi.. nos and slowly (very slowly) kill you while tanking all damage.. but then again it does pitiful damage and has no tackling gear whatsoever, so it wont be that popular on tq.. Conclusion - rokh is definitely not a solopwnmobile. It can only fght in fleets, it even says that in the description. I like it caus I can snipe properly without dishing out 150+mil on a 425mm II rail set. It should stay that way .
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.12.07 01:37:00 - [15] Edited by: Ath Amon on 07/12/2006 01:38:28 graph rokh is overall too uber imo... but is not the ship itself are rails. People say that rokh have no dmg bonus but basically rails have an inbuilt dps bonus compared to arty (around 20% more dps), and also they have a higher range... at 1400mm best dps they have around 30% more range...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.07 01:40:00 - [16] Originally by: Breed Love I see a bunch of people using this funny 4 nos and 4 torps setup with a rather unbreakable shield tank on sisi.. nos and slowly (very slowly) kill you while tanking all damage.. That setup and the 4 nos/4 blasters setups are what grind me... It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
DiuxDium The Graduates	Posted - 2006.12.07 01:48:00 - [17] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Originally by: Breed Love I see a bunch of people using this funny 4 nos and 4 torps setup with a rather unbreakable shield tank on sisi.. nos and slowly (very slowly) kill you while tanking all damage.. That setup and the 4 nos/4 blasters setups are what grind me... Explain to me how it's diffrent than say a nano-phoon with 4x Nos 4x AC. Your post reflects on the current status quo of nos, far more than the issues with the Rohk. Nerf away though. Why should Caldari have any part in fleet battles beyond jamming and the crow. I make sigs for free. Do Eve-Mail me if you're intrested.
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.07 01:50:00 - [18] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 07/12/2006 01:50:37 Originally by: DiuxDium Explain to me how it's diffrent than say a nano-phoon with 4x Nos 4x AC. Your post reflects on the current status quo of nos, It isn't. You're absolutely right. NOS needs the nerfbat. Where did I say otherwise? EDIT: However, I don't think the Rokh should have 4 missile points. I don't see where that comes from. We already have one Typhoon in the game... It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Laughlyn Vaughns Gallente Lagos-Vaughn Industries	Posted - 2006.12.07 01:59:00 - [19] after flyign a BClv5 drake from late day 1 and my corp mate flying a BS lv5 rokh both ships seem to do what they are supposed to just fine. he uber snipes enemies and tanks damage on missions and i pick off everything else. Drake is a powerfull ship but so is rest of the tier 2 battlecruisers, as for tier 3 BS's they are all unique in their roles. BC's seem to be tank a lot but deal fair amount of damage. At present my Midon does more damage than my dominix as i have gallente BS lv2 and battlecruiser lv5, if i load 5 drones into each the midon comes off better Hurricane is amazing, i have 720 howies on it and the rof and damage is insane, only one i'm yet to try is harbinger but i'll get there.
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.07 02:00:00 - [20] Originally by: Laughlyn Vaughns as for tier 3 BS's they are all unique in their roles. Except for the Hyperion. Oh, and the Maelstrom. Oh yeah, and the Abbadon. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
DiuxDium The Graduates	Posted - 2006.12.07 02:09:00 - [21] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 07/12/2006 01:50:37 Originally by: DiuxDium Explain to me how it's diffrent than say a nano-phoon with 4x Nos 4x AC. Your post reflects on the current status quo of nos, It isn't. You're absolutely right. NOS needs the nerfbat. Where did I say otherwise? EDIT: However, I don't think the Rokh should have 4 missile points. I don't see where that comes from. We already have one Typhoon in the game... Other than the odd pirate enjoyin the novelty factor, few people will make use of the 4 launcher points for ANY form of fleet combat. That's what the Rohk is for, fleet combat. It does a decent job at that, giving us a place beyond Jamming (Very much nerfed this patch) and the crow. To nerf it in any regard is not a nerf to caldari, but a nerf to caldari's place in Alliance warfare. I make sigs for free. Do Eve-Mail me if you're intrested.
Nifel Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.07 02:17:00 - [22] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Originally by: DizzixX so far I have really only seen one side of the two There appears to be people in this thread from both crowds (the "caldari is overpowered" crowd, and the "caldari needs a buff QQ" crowd)... Hi! I'm from the Can't-The-Forum-Whiners-STFU crowd. "When I die I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa. Not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car." RKK Ranking: (MIN14) Sama
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.07 02:17:00 - [23] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 07/12/2006 00:35:11 The Rokh is also far too good as a blastership. I mean, seriously, WTF... I would also like to point out that the Hyperion is far too good as a rail sniper. I mean, our "dedicated blaster boat" with 3 sensor boosters locks out to 245km, and you can fit 8x 425mm rail IIs on it for more raw firepower than the megathron at all ranges. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.07 03:18:00 - [24] Just approach the Blokh and laugh manically as it hilariously tries to track your orbiting Raven. The tracking bonus on the Megathron is far more useful than people give it credit for. The Rokh is a rail-boat and arguably not the best. Leave it be. Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
Constantinee Caldari PAX Interstellar Services Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.07 03:31:00 - [25] I personally cannot get enough of my rokh. however i dont use rails i fly with blasters 95% of the time and have not been killed in it once yet. The drake i have no love for yes it can ghold a tank but the rof is what we all wanted. I would have much rather had the drake be a blaster boat tbh (yes a blasterboat) Want a Cheap sig?
mallina Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.07 03:46:00 - [26] Edited by: mallina on 07/12/2006 03:46:37 Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Originally by: DizzixX so far I have really only seen one side of the two There appears to be people in this thread from both crowds (the "caldari is overpowered" crowd, and the "caldari needs a buff QQ" crowd)... in other words, the "omg the drake beat my myr" crowd and the "omg the harb beat my drake" crowd? lets not forget the "omg the myr beat my harb" crowd ... and then the "minmatar are useless" crowd ----------- Turbulance
6Bagheera9 Shadows of the Dead Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.07 03:52:00 - [27] The drake needs to loose its resists bonus, its simply too powerful in terms of being about to maximize both gank and tank.
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.07 03:54:00 - [28] Originally by: Nifel Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Originally by: DizzixX so far I have really only seen one side of the two There appears to be people in this thread from both crowds (the "caldari is overpowered" crowd, and the "caldari needs a buff QQ" crowd)... Hi! I'm from the Can't-The-Forum-Whiners-STFU crowd. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.07 04:12:00 - [29] Well the Drake is an I-Win button. Not that I'm complaining... -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.07 04:30:00 - [30] Originally by: Dark Shikari Well the Drake is an I-Win button. Not that I'm complaining... HEY!!! I am! It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...

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