| Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
|
|
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
   |
Posted - 2015.08.06 17:47:21 -
[1] - Quote
I'm not finding any recent topics discussing drone ships. So to me that means either nothing's changed or no one gives a ****. ;) I like drones, so I was thinking to kind of "specialize" there. I do PvE only for now, and I don't have a lot of SP. See http://eveboard.com/pilot/Vendraen ...
Are there any good options for Cruiser-size drone ships for PvE right now? Any links/etc for good fits?
|
Pax Deltari
R3d Fire
31
|
Posted - 2015.08.06 18:33:17 -
[2] - Quote
Gila, Ishtar, VNI. Gila Gila Gila
Sorry man Not 100% sure what you're asking. Just for a cruiser PvE ship right? Gila Gila Gila.
Did I mention the Gila?
Just actually looked at your EvE board and I see that your drone skills suck and you need to work on those if you want to fly a drone ship. Also unfortunately you'd want to go specialize in Amarr or Gallente ships (Gallente is the right answer here) if you wanted to fly Drone hulls effectively. Let me know what you'd like help with and I'll advise you ship wise. |
Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2015.08.06 22:11:13 -
[3] - Quote
Pax Deltari wrote:Just actually looked at your EvE board and I see that your drone skills suck and you need to work on those if you want to fly a drone ship.
That's easily fixed.
Thanks for the advice. So you're saying the Gila might be ok? :D
|
Arthur Aihaken
Chig
4538
|
Posted - 2015.08.06 22:36:09 -
[4] - Quote
Did someone say Gila? 
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
|
Roseline Penshar
Eternal Darkness.
Blades of Grass
40
|
Posted - 2015.08.06 23:56:23 -
[5] - Quote
just use ishtar with navy heavy, it can hit frigate size too |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2388
|
Posted - 2015.08.06 23:59:56 -
[6] - Quote
The Gila is freakin amazing and has a fairly low skill overhead to get into.
It is more than okay.
It is awesome.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
|
Ahed Sten
74
|
Posted - 2015.08.07 02:24:47 -
[7] - Quote
Since he mentioned "low level" pvp somewhere along the line, and since the Gila isn't exactly "low level," I'll quickly mention that the Tristan is a great little kiting drone ship, in the ballpark of about 6 mil if flown with T2 mods. That's my vote for the frig lineup.
For Cruisers, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Gila. |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
961
|
Posted - 2015.08.07 02:45:32 -
[8] - Quote
I suggest the Moa's pirate brother. What's it called? The Rattlesnake's kid? The Worm's daddy?
Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy.
I invented Tiericide
|
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
418
|
Posted - 2015.08.07 02:58:05 -
[9] - Quote
OP if you defined what your interpretation of low level missions are we could be more helpful.
Staying away from anything that resembles a T2 ship since I have no idea of your ISK stash until ewee get to the higher levels.
For level 1 and 2 missions the Tristan and Algos are both excellent choices. The Federation Navy Comet is more dependent on it's guns than the others but it is still a reasonable ship for drones pilots to fly.
For level 2's the Algos works well as does the Vexor.
For level 3's the Myrmidon is an excellent choice for drones pilots on a budget.
The Ishtar and Gila are both excellent ships that can be used in level 3 missions if you have the skills and the ISK for them.
With level 4's the Gila works but is considered by some to be less than optimal for a number of reasons. Like those who champion the GIla as a level 4 ship most of the reasons stated will be largely personal opinions and preferences.
The Ishtar is better at level 4's in my mind than the Gila simply because of it's larger drones bay and bonuses that affect all drones not just the mediums.
Dominix and Rattlesnake are both excellent drones ships for a level 4 pilot. The Domi would be a better low cost option but in the end I think the Rattle is the better mission ship overall.
|
Ortilus Orsides
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
4
|
Posted - 2015.08.07 03:40:14 -
[10] - Quote
Val'Dore wrote:I suggest the Moa's pirate brother. What's it called? The Rattlesnake's kid? The Worm's Big Brother?
Fix that for you |
|
|
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2394
|
Posted - 2015.08.07 10:24:51 -
[11] - Quote
Fine... Algos and Dragoon work fine for low end stuff, as do the Arbitrator and the Vexor.
Myrm or Prophecy for mid range stuff.
Gila, because... Gila.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
|
Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2015.08.07 11:04:55 -
[12] - Quote
Looks like Vexor and then Myrmidon are going to be good for me.
Time to start training Gallente stuff. :D
|
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
962
|
Posted - 2015.08.07 12:40:27 -
[13] - Quote
Vendraen wrote:Looks like Vexor and then Myrmidon are going to be good for me.
Time to start training Gallente stuff. :D
What the hell? He must be immune.
Take him out back and shoot him.
Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy.
I invented Tiericide
|
Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2015.08.07 12:46:32 -
[14] - Quote
O_o
Going to be a damn,damn long time before I can afford a Gila.
My mentioning of "low and mid level PvE" should clue you in that half a billion ISK (just for the hull!) might be a little out of my price range. :D
|
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
962
|
Posted - 2015.08.07 12:54:42 -
[15] - Quote
Well fine then, check out the Worm.
Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy.
I invented Tiericide
|
Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2015.08.07 13:03:36 -
[16] - Quote
Val'Dore wrote:Well fine then, check out the Worm.
You really do like the pirate ships eh? Arrrr?
Worm's about 80,000,000. Want to give me an interest free loan? :D
Then again, she's only got 10mb/s bandwidth. How is that better than Algos, with 35mb/s?
|
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
2097
|
Posted - 2015.08.07 13:30:33 -
[17] - Quote
Vendraen wrote:Val'Dore wrote:Well fine then, check out the Worm. You really do like the pirate ships eh? Arrrr? Worm's about 80,000,000. Want to give me an interest free loan? :D Then again, she's only got 10mb/s bandwidth. How is that better than Algos, with 35mb/s?
Read the bonus |
Ahed Sten
74
|
Posted - 2015.08.07 13:36:52 -
[18] - Quote
Oh. I didn't see where you mentioned PVE. Disregard my statement about the Tristan, then.
Stick with the Algos for Level 1's, Vexor for Level 2's, Some decent BC drone boat for Level 3's...Maybe the Myrm...then hop into the Domi when you're ready for Level 4's. It's a reliable drone progression that won't break the bank. |
Do Little
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
93
|
Posted - 2015.08.07 13:40:15 -
[19] - Quote
The Gurista Pirate ships (Worm, Gila, Rattlesnake) align well with the skills you have trained thus far and there is no question that anyone flying one of these will tell you the state of drone ships is awesome!
There is also no question that they are expensive and not "affordable to lose" for a newer player. You also need fairly good fitting skills - especially if you intend to use T2 launchers.
Another ship you may want to consider since it has a decent drone capability and uses your missile and shield skills is the Minmatar Bellicose.
Another option is the Gnosis - at 60 million it is a bit more expensive that normal T1 battlecruisers but it leverages all your existing skills and is bonused for drones. Gnosis will easily handle level 3 missions. |
Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2015.08.07 14:24:39 -
[20] - Quote
Do Little wrote:Another ship you may want to consider since it has a decent drone capability and uses your missile and shield skills is the Minmatar Bellicose.
Oooo, that one does look damn nice on paper and she's not real expensive either.
Quote:Edit: The Gurista ships have a huge role bonus for drones - For the Worm, each drone is equivalent to 3 normal drones.
I know. But the cost differential between the pirate ships and ships with larger drone bays is huge - I don't think it works out in a purely monetary tradeoff. You can just use MOAR DRONES on a cheaper ship. There's no benefit in being able to use a smaller number of drones, is there?
|
|
|
Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2015.08.07 14:29:00 -
[21] - Quote
Also I'm kind of disagreeing with the earlier poster that said my drone skills "suck." No, they're not all maxed out, but I've got Drones to V and Light and Medium and Avionics to 4, and all the support stuff to 3. O_o
No, I don't have the specializations yet, but where I'm at, I don't "need" them. |
Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2015.08.07 14:48:48 -
[22] - Quote
Also, for anyone thinking "he's a f'ing n00b, he has no idea wtf he's going to want do to, wtf is he asking about this specific area of gameplay!?!?" - it's like this.
Anyone that is an MMO generalist (someone who plays/has played lots of MMOs) will get this. Here's my main characters in a sampling of other MMO's I've played:
UO - tamer (actually had 4 GM tamers O_O )
EQ - Necro (and then a Beastlord when they were added)
WoW - Hunter, Warlock
EQ2 - Necro
AO - Meta-physicist
LOTRO - Lore-master
WAR - Squig herder
See a pattern yet? :D
I realized, EVE has drones!!!!!!!ten They're pets. Yup.
|
Pax Deltari
R3d Fire
31
|
Posted - 2015.08.07 15:09:10 -
[23] - Quote
No you're wrong. Im sorry dude but your drone skills are terrible. You need the specializations so you could use T2 Drones. You need to get those and the support skills up higher. "Need" means to have the best results. its a substantial difference and will make your life a lot better.
You seem to not understand how drones work either. The worm fields less drones but they are A HUGE AMOUNT stronger than any other ship fielding two drones. Because of the worm's bonuses you do more damage than you would flying any other drone boat and you would finish missions faster.
Lastly... Drones are pets. I have a Gecko that I've had for weeks of deployment. I love it like a child. |
Do Little
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
95
|
Posted - 2015.08.07 15:19:48 -
[24] - Quote
I fly the SOE Epic Arc every 90 days or so to keep my standing up. I used to use a Bellicose and it is an excellent ship - highly recommended. I now fly a Worm for the Arc and for running anomalies. You can watch JonnyPew run DED sites in a Worm here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLsthVSj0q0 This is shiny and high skill but gives you an idea of what the ship is capable of. However you look at it - the Worm is a lot of fun to fly.
Gila has a 500% bonus to both hitpoints and damage for drones. With fairly modest skills I have a cap stable fit with over 700dps, 50K ehp and 325 dps passive regen. I sold my Rattlesnake and now use the Gila for level 4 missions.
NPC rats will attack you drones and standard issue don't have a lot of hitpoints - that 500% bonus makes a big difference. Like having a pair of assault frigates in your drone bay!
I don't recommend you buy one of these until you can afford to lose it but, if you like drones, put them on your wishlist! |
Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2015.08.07 15:24:23 -
[25] - Quote
Pax Deltari wrote:No you're wrong. Im sorry dude but your drone skills are terrible. You need the specializations so you could use T2 Drones.
I don't even have enough standing with anyone for L2 missions yet, so I don't need T2 drones yet.
We don't actually disagree, we just define "suck" differently. I would call "suck" only have Drones I and none of the support skills. :D
|
Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2015.08.07 15:25:19 -
[26] - Quote
Do Little wrote:I don't recommend you buy one of these until you can afford to lose it but, if you like drones, put them on your wishlist!
They are on said list, it's just a long way off so I'd rather focus on near term.
|
Do Little
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
95
|
Posted - 2015.08.07 15:53:28 -
[27] - Quote
T2 light drones is a 4 day train and well worth it. Your other skills at 3 are OK for now. I'd take navigation and sharpshooting to 4 - that's less than 2 days and gives a useful boost to speed and accuracy - meaning they deal more damage and take less.
You're also going to want hull upgrades and weapon upgrades to level 4 - will let you fit Damage Control Unit 2 and T2 weapon upgrades like Ballistic Control 2 and Drone Damage Amplifier 2. Your shield skills will already let you fit a T2 tank.
Pick a faction, run the career missions: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Tutorials_-_Opportunities_and_Career_Agents_in_EVE_Online
and the SOE Epic Arc: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/The_Blood-Stained_Stars
you will have enough standing to run level 2 missions and will likely only need 1 storyline to get level 3 |
Silver Grab
Cosmic Sanitarium
1
|
Posted - 2015.08.07 17:27:11 -
[28] - Quote
I am sorry, but Gila is the way to go. Get a plex if you have to but get a gila... just sitting in the ship is almost guaranteed 400+ dps with 2 drones.
Gallente ship you would have to have about 5 million SP to reach that.
The 2 drones are just ridiculous. on a worm the 2 drones regularly do wrecking shots above 800 dmg each. gila I have gotten 1800 to 2000 shots and on my rattlesnake with a gecko the biggest hit is has done is 4994 dmg in a single shot.
The role bonus doesnt require anything but for you to sit in the ship and the ship will grow with you.
The caldari bonus improves your tank a lot. The gallente bonus ups you missile damage (if you even bother shooting them)
in null sec I solo serpentis havens in my gila while never firing a single missile.
Buy the one ship.... do level 1 up to level 4 missions in it, do exploration, move to null. You can do anything in the damn ship.
This ship is terribly OP for a noob... a 1 week old player could be in the gila with 400 to 500 dps that grows as you improve your skills. |
Pax Deltari
R3d Fire
31
|
Posted - 2015.08.07 18:43:10 -
[29] - Quote
Vendraen wrote:Pax Deltari wrote:No you're wrong. Im sorry dude but your drone skills are terrible. You need the specializations so you could use T2 Drones. I don't even have enough standing with anyone for L2 missions yet, so I don't need T2 drones yet. We don't actually disagree, we just define "suck" differently. I would call "suck" something like only having Drones I and none of the support skills. :D
Ignore the person speaking above who told you to get a plex to buy the gila. That is really bad advice.
Let me restart.
I apologize for what I said earlier. I did not understand that you were doing level one missions my perspective for mid and low level PvE is very different from yours and I forgot about that. In fact I thought you were doing Level 3 and Level 4 missions and my advice was geared towards that. I would bet you definitely dont have the money for a GILA and you definitely don't have the money for a pirate worm. So let's go back a little bit.
A drone boat for running level one missions effectively? You're going to want either a Tristan or an Algos. They are both "Drone" ships that are very effective for running missions. In fact the Algos can do many L2 missions as well with a proper fitting. Not to mention that skilling down the Drone tree with the Algos will set you up perfectly for the Vexor which is the signature Drone Cruiser which can completely demolish L2 missions and even some L3 and Null sec missions/sites. Then you follow the path Tristan -> Algos -> Vexor -> Myrm -> Dominix/Ishtar/VNI
After you master those ships you'll be able to move on AND afford to buy ships like the Gila, Rattlesnake, and other "High" level ships. So what is the next step you should take? Well deciding if you want to start with the Algos or the Tristan and fitting it up correctly. Its a very easy ship to fit and I'll post a fit for you below. If require any other help or have other questions feel free to Eve mail me or just continue posting in this forum thread.
[Tristan, Tristan fit] - Easy Tristan fit that is really cheap and would work for level one missions. Just orbit the bad guys at about 7 kilometers and shoot them with your guns and drones!
Small Inefficient Armor Repair Unit
Damage Control I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I
Cap Recharger I
Cap Recharger I
1MN Afterburner I
125mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Antimatter Charge S
125mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Antimatter Charge S
[Empty High slot]
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Nanobot Accelerator I
Hobgoblin I x5
[Algos, Algos fit] - Simple Algos Fit. Honestly I would recommend the Tristan. You'll only be using these fits for a few days until you're able to get into the Vexor cruiser. That's when the fun really starts!
Type-D Restrained Capacitor Flux Coil
Type-D Restrained Capacitor Flux Coil
Type-D Restrained Capacitor Flux Coil
Medium Neutron Saturation Injector I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
125mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon, Antimatter Charge S
125mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon, Antimatter Charge S
125mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon, Antimatter Charge S
125mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon, Antimatter Charge S
125mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon, Antimatter Charge S
[Empty High slot]
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hammerhead I x2
Hobgoblin I x3
|
Pax Deltari
R3d Fire
31
|
Posted - 2015.08.07 18:44:29 -
[30] - Quote
Silver Grab wrote:
to surpass the gila would be something like the ishtar which would require about 3 months of training to even fly it, and costs about the same as the gila.
Lol Ishtar surpasses the Gila. That's a good one mate. Cute indeed.
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
| Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |