Don't know about faction navy mechanics eh?

navy police can be tanked in a proper ship


there's also away to avoid them but can't remember 100% how .. .prolly much like concord .. ge them to spawn somewhere else in same system then warp back ... rinse and repeat .. again not 100% sure as i've never done the elite high sec hub camping .. thing..

To avoid the somehow high dps and being jammed I think they tank the navy with a drone being repped or like I saw in Hek with an alt in a very tanky ship to take aggro. Dunno.

1 they use a rattlesnake with a single drone somewhere in space. Most of the time at dock range of an other station or inside a pos force field while drones are outside.

2 the rattlesnake pilot uses his drone to attack the navy spaw, that spawn start shooting the drone.

3 Some neutral bs then start remote rep, shield, structure the drone and NOT the rattlesnake ... worst ... they are not flagged. The drone has heavy tank because of rattlesnake bonus

4 the single drone can tank the faction police.

5 others gallente militia come near the rattlesnake with their own faction spawn.

6 faction spawn switch target to the rattlesnake, if needed the ratllesnake pilot engage each spawn to gain full aggro.

7 others militia pilots are no immune to faction spaw and can now shot every one at undock, they even can afford to use a frigate which one would be insta poped without that exploit

8 you can add more gallente pilots as long as you add neutral bs to increase the amount of dmg taken by the sentry drone

http://i.imgur.com/kvW8Gki.png

you can see the imperial navy curator taking damage / Faceless Parmala is the rattlesnake pilot / all others bs pilots are neutral

Reported to ccp from months, seems they don't care or should be considered as a valid tactic
Still waiting an official answer !!!

This is clearly an exploit, is obviously stupid and needs to be fixed.

Why would you even have faction police in the game if they aren't going to do anything? Just delete them if that is the case, they are cluttering up my screen with their false presence.

get a alt in a super cheap but super fast frig...
enter enemy system with alt... warp 100 to random planet and start burning...
enemy NPC's will try (and fail to catch up) with your fast alt..
Now your main does not need to worry about NPC's as they are all busy trying to catch the first fast frig..

As if we can't tell the difference between aggression and harmlessly floating around that gate, FFS Crosi you are the most unreasonable person I've ever seen on these forums. These cruisers were sitting right on the gate they didn't warp in and I held my cloak for nearly the full duration while I watched them float around unharmed. If you don't know what's going on then don't comment about it honestly.

And newsflash, ccp didn't invent the word exploit. Lol. What are you like 13 years old? Just because ccp doesn't declare something an exploit in their game rules doesn't mean the normal usage of the word exploit doesn't apply.

Honestly you have some serious growing up to do, you are like a two year old child trying to always get his way.

Excuse me if i dont believe you are competent enough to recognise what was going on. Specially with how wrong and ill informed you have been over a multitude of eve related subjects. And then how you glossed over every single example as though you knew it all along lol.

While i dont scorn you for this, eve is a complex game after all, but the sheer bold faced ignorance you display does get tiring.

I have camped the same gate, with the same people and find it highly unlikely that they are abusing some unknown mechanic because its simply easy enough to do it without.

Until CCP rules on an abuse of mechanics it is not an exploit. If any abuse of mechanics is kept secret from CCP that is banable.
I believe CCP is already aware of all abuse of NPC mechanics and everything is currently ok to use as they have not declared them an exploit.

Feel free to go on about what exploit means in different contexts, im not sure how productive that will be since we are talking about EVE and CCP are perfectly clear on how they use the word.

Oh yes, because your own knowledge and skills have demonstrated your intellectual abilities and how superior they are to my own. Quality posts from you such as "you can't build a titan out of incursion loot" and "I'm going to have my dog pilot my links".

The only ability I've seen from you so far is your ability to pay ccp more money for in game advantages.

The word exploit means what it means. CCP decides what you get banned for in eve online, not the definition of the word exploit. This is a stupid deflection on the issue.

My suggestion to you is to refrain from the smart ass comments while posting stuff like this. But you're free to make yourself look however you want.

My suggestion to you is to refrain from the smart ass comments while posting stuff like this. But you're free to make yourself look however you want.

As i have already said, your use of the word exploit was misplaced since the activities listed are not considered exploiting by CCP. If CCP declared these actions exploitation, using them would be banable.

In all these cases you argue with me as a proxy for CCP. Im just telling you how it is, if you have a problem with that you had best speak with CCP themselves.

I know you are fighting hard to remain ignorant. Im just trying to help you adhere to correct terminology so you dont get confused and can better articulate your constant whining.

I can demonstrate superior knowledge than your own if you wish.

A long long time ago in a faction warfare that was but weeks old....you could still fly into high sec hostile space and gank players. I myself dual accounted a destroyer and frigate to Amarr Prime and killed a few pilots, they were quite surprised. The navies chased you around constantly so you had to kill something in a few seconds and warp.

The important part of this story is that back in those days, this was ONLY possible with frigs and destroyers, because each person that entered hostile space spawned an NPC Navy fleet for EACH player. I told a Minnie FC of my antics in high sec and (for science) we took a 70 man fleet of various ships into amarr high sec to begin an assault. Every single one of our ships died, a Navy was spawned for EACH person in the fleet. Much amusement was had at our massacre.

Sometime after this CCP changed the mechanics, so that players could indeed enter hostile high sec space, but at great risk to themselves, but there wouldn't be a navy spawning for each player. The current mechanics are intended and rewards those players that can tank and/or distract the now limited naval fleets of npc hostile space. Not only has this made FW more fun, it's more realistic than seeing several hundred NPC's spawn to deal with a fleet.

I haven't been in FW for sometime, but it sounds like those changes are still current and they are intended. This isn't an exploit, you just clearly aren't old enough to remember when and why these changes were introduced. I don't know if they made changes to this again in that time, but from what I have read in the thread they still seem to be in force.

So do us a favour eh? Stop assuming and making an ass out of u and not me.

So his contribution was a well informed comment on why the mechanics are like they are, and your contribution to the topic was to call something an exploit that by CCPs own definition is not an exploit.

As for the definition itself. Its often useful to recognise the context in which words are used. For example, the word 'theory' has a much different meaning in day to day vernacular than it does in a scientific context. By the same token, the implications of calling something an exploit in EVE as apposed to its dictionary definition of ' to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage' have different connotations.

In eve, an exploit will get you banned, but ' to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage' is the name of the game. So as you can see, the straight-up dictionary definition is less than useless here.

I know eve is a hard game to walk into, but your attitude of not wanting to learn or improve your understanding will get you nowhere. If you want everything to be fair and rainbow coloured, theres other games out there for you.

Oh look another links alt owner is in here defending his buddy imagine my surprise. Your credibility was never higher.

And if you had any sense you would petition it. Something tells me you already have and were told it wasn't.

And you'd be assuming a lot of incorrect things, which is not surprising, but not buying it. More likely you lie as much as your butt buddy to keep things going your way and give no thought to the game state.

Well, 0/10 for constructing a coherent sentence let alone argument.

Are you saying these guys are making you cry and you HAVENT petitioned them? Cmon, even CCP needs a laugh!

One way to fix the problem of high sec FW campers is to just leave FW if you want to be in high sec, or move to low sec.

Caldari militia used to camp our newb FDU system in villore years ago. It was the best thing they could have done for Gal mil since it forced a lot of people to man up and move to low sec which was one of the catalysts for Gal mils current superiority and general cohesion over Caldari.

Problems in EVE are usually only as bad as you inability to respond makes them. If CCP solved all of the problems in EVE there wouldnt be much of a game left.

You see anything on my kill board in high sec?

I don't have the patience for your ignorance. Learn what it is you're talking about.

lorren gallen did the mission runner hunting aswell he was probably the best in the game at it and became number 1 on battleclinic for years im sure ccp was also aware of this and did nothing as he was just using mechanics..

if at least I could shot the nestor i would consider it as a valid tactic. This is a broken feature.

Who said it cant be done? I was in corp with Loren Gallen, the guy who made high sec WT hunting a 'thing', for a long time. Once i even had to put my booster alt into a talos and burn 10 jumps into high sec to help him with a particularly tanked target.

Im just curions what exactly you are complaining about since Loren Gallen used to get NPC agro all the time lol.

Back to your general problem, instead of complaining about things that are sanctioned by CCP, why not put that massive intellect to use and suggest how you think they SHOULD work and WOW us with your vision for EVE lol.

As for your scenario, i have camped lituria long ago, coincidentally, with the same person that the OP is complaining about in Jita

You are mistaken if you think the rats are not attacking him there. All you need to do is tank the ~200 or so dps and kill the ewar rats if you see something coming you want to kill. There is no NPC neuting in lituria so its easy to just tank the rats. It does get more problematic if you fight next door in the 0.6 where you are neuted fairly quickly but its still doable.

It is possible that you saw the rats spawning but passed by in the 20 or so seconds it takes for the rats to start shooting. This is likely if he didnt want to sit and tank NPC and just came to the gate to try and catch you or some other squid.

I have heard this is what croakroach does from croak and his friends myself, however unless there is a person who can draw navy aggression without being in galmil this is not what the gang in litiura was doing. There were only 2 gals in system and both were on gate, and both not being aggressed by the navy which was right there floating around.

In fact I know of a guy I've spoken to personally who regularly hunts opposing faction in their high sec solo on a day to day basis and his kill board is absolutely flooded with kills (~95% ships, isk, and point efficiency) and he makes billions off the stuff he kills.

You guys say it can't be done so it must be a timer related issue, but I held my cloak for like 20s before warping off and saw no aggression at all. You're either wrong or lying, but whatever, of course I don't have proof so I don't care, I use alts in highsec anyways.

Who said it cant be done?l

In fact I know of a guy I've spoken to personally who regularly hunts opposing faction in their high sec solo on a day to day basis and his kill board is absolutely flooded with kills (~95% ships, isk, and point efficiency) and he makes billions off the stuff he kills.

You guys say it can't be done

Who said it cant be done?l

So while i have flown with the original and best high sec FW hunter, and occasionally camped gates with Corina who the OP was complaining about, and know first hand that they get NPC agro. But i know nothing, ok lol.

And you spoke to some curiously unnamed dude who admitted that he was using a bug that CCP is not aware of, an action that receives an almost compulsory perma ban if he neglect to inform CCP of said bug. Seems legit

You should probably look up them chat logs mate.

As for the role of NPC resistance in high sec, its not there to be an invincible barrier to any hostile FW pilot. This is another glaring example of you having no idea about the game you are playing.

Oh boy you flew with some guy you think is good yes I can see how that makes you the eve online expert with a master's degree in spaceshipping. This is the reason I don't take you seriously.

You're the one who said yourself it can be done then mysteriously changed your mind when it didn't suit you any more.

And no, I never posted anything about the navy being invincible barrier to anything, making up **** I didn't say isn't making you look more credible.

Regardless of what role they are supposed to perform, they are not currently doing it.

Direct quote is now a low level of reading comprehension, you heard it here first.

And no Estella, I'm not going to be quiet because you don't agree with me. The forum is here to discuss game related issues, that is what we're doing, and if you don't like it you're free to find the door out and not read the thread. I can promise you that your pointless personal attack spam won't be missed by anyone.

In regards to the actual issue, the navy is in the game for a specific purpose and is currently serving none. That is a broken system whether you agree with it or not, and telling people to be quiet about it doesn't change the facts, nor does ccp being too lazy to fix it.

Direct quote is now a low level of reading comprehension, you heard it here first.

And no Estella, I'm not going to be quiet because you don't agree with me. The forum is here to discuss game related issues, that is what we're doing, and if you don't like it you're free to find the door out and not read the thread. I can promise you that your pointless personal attack spam won't be missed by anyone.

In regards to the actual issue, the navy is in the game for a specific purpose and is currently serving none. That is a broken system whether you agree with it or not, and telling people to be quiet about it doesn't change the facts, nor does ccp being too lazy to fix it.

All ive said in this thread is that the known methods of evading NPC aggro, as described here, are not exploist by CCP's own definition of the term.

Im trying to help you articulate your point better and also pointed you to features and ideas which would be the proper place to constructively express ideas about how NPCs could better behave.

I havent said im pro or anti high sec ganking, or anything about the quality of the mechanics surrounding high sec npc aggro. Im just trying to temper your sperg posting so you arnt just calling people cheats and saying things are exploits without truly understanding the weight of the claims you are making based on ignorance and spurious anecdotes.

Or I could post in the already existing thread discussing faction navy instead of creating a duplicate thread for no reason.

Actually, this thread was specifically asking how it was done, not asking that navy rats be made stronger. Here, I'll copy and paste the OP for you. If this had been a suggestions for a feature change thread it would have already been moved to the features and idea section of the forums.

"Hi, I am here to figure something out. At the moment there is a Gallente FW pilot just chillin' at Jita. How is he able to sit in space without getting attacked by the Navy?

A couple screenshots:
http://imgur.com/i7xCEB4
http://imgur.com/6o45h7l
"

I haven't told anyone what the navy are supposed to do. For someone who goes on so much about reading comprehension (with direct quotes even) you sure have trouble with it. Dense indeed.

I haven't told anyone what the navy are supposed to do. For someone who goes on so much about reading comprehension (with direct quotes even) you sure have trouble with it. Dense indeed.

If i go into high sec with no preparation, the navy will indeed shoot me. Working as intended.

Bypassing a mechanic is not the same as preparation.

Currently, at the risk of repeating myself YET AGAIN, that they are serving NO PURPOSE AT ALL. T

Whats the point of preperation if it doesnt bypass certain mechanics. I add more speed to bypass the effect of fast tackle. Others add more ECCM to bypass the effect of ECM. People add RR to bypass the effect of DPS etc.

incidentally, i havent said if i like or do not like the principle of what you are trying to say. I might even agree with you. Fact is you are horribly inarticulate and very poorly versed in the game and its language and general purpose of various mechanics.

If you want to waste your time whining in this thread, go ahead. If you want to shock everyone with a constructive post of well thought out ideas of how you want high sec NPCs to change then post it in features and ideas.

I find this thread borderline hysterical.

Also find it funny that Legatus isn't even asking his own FW mates how they do it. Thor Gambino's alliance, Paul Ares, and HECON seems to have learned how to do it.

https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99005027/

So you're aware this happens, are doing nothing but trolling forums, and are generally lying/deceitful/dishonest when it comes to the context of the discussion. Which is pretty much everything I thought about you two in the first place, so there's no surprise here. As to asking my corp mates how this is done, I don't care to bother because I play in the actual war zone.

Bottom line the mechanic is being bypassed and needs to be changed.

So you're aware this happens, are doing nothing but trolling forums, and are generally lying/deceitful/dishonest when it comes to the context of the discussion. Which is pretty much everything I thought about you two in the first place, so there's no surprise here. As to asking my corp mates how this is done, I don't care to bother because I play in the actual war zone.

Bottom line the mechanic is being bypassed and needs to be changed.

You can call it whatever you want and make excuses for days, we all know what you're doing.

I find this thread borderline hysterical.

Also find it funny that Legatus isn't even asking his own FW mates how they do it. Thor Gambino's alliance, Paul Ares, and HECON seems to have learned how to do it.

https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99005027/

Comparing kills in Villore with kills in Jita is meaningless

Comparing kills in Villore with kills in Jita is meaningless

Xg has returned!

Welcome back! Now, about that alliance logo..........

As for your scenario, i have camped lituria long ago, coincidentally, with the same person that the OP is complaining about in Jita

You are mistaken if you think the rats are not attacking him there.

As if we can't tell the difference between aggression and harmlessly floating around that gate, FFS Crosi

Excuse me if i dont believe you .

You guys say it can't be done so it must be a timer related issue, but I held my cloak for like 20s before warping off and saw no aggression at all. You're either wrong or lying, but whatever, of course I don't have proof so I don't care, I use alts in highsec anyways.

Who said it cant be done?

You did not imply that this guy you were talking about was abusing some unknown bug to avoid NPC aggro. I was saying that high sec ganking can be done, NPC aggro in its current form doesnt need to be circumvented.

I have heard this is what croakroach does from croak and his friends myself, however unless there is a person who can draw navy aggression without being in galmil this is not what the gang in litiura was doing. There were only 2 gals in system and both were on gate, and both not being aggressed by the navy which was right there floating around.

In fact I know of a guy I've spoken to personally who regularly hunts opposing faction in their high sec solo on a day to day basis and his kill board is absolutely flooded with kills (~95% ships, isk, and point efficiency) and he makes billions off the stuff he kills.

You guys say it can't be done so it must be a timer related issue, but I held my cloak for like 20s before warping off and saw no aggression at all. You're either wrong or lying, but whatever, of course I don't have proof so I don't care, I use alts in highsec anyways.

I was not involved in that alliance logo, but IT'S AWESOME!

The prophecy was true. Praise be unto X Gesus. BTW we have the best logo in the game.

I dont even know where to start. Unsurprisingly your main example is the one occasion where you said you held cloak for 20 seconds which you assume is enough to assess what was happening with the NPCs. Once killed for example it can take 60-90 seconds for NPCs to respawn.

And i did camp lituria with corina and we were dual rep fit to tank rats. I imagine he no longer hangs on gate and uses alts to watch for targets instead.

So yeah, not sure where the lies are. The ignorance is quite strong in your post though.

Direct quotes are not ignorance big guy. You're hiding a lot of **** and I don't care to be bothered with it any more.

torpedo

Direct quotes are not ignorance big guy. You're hiding a lot of **** and I don't care to be bothered with it any more.

I asked you to link lies, but half of what you linked were quotes of things you said. Curious.

And if im hiding something, how would you know?

Rofl, pathetic. You started off looking like you might have a relevant point, but all you've done is argue over the meaning of words and write a bunch of stories about eve online 10 years ago. None of which addresses the actual issue at all.

...

Why don't you just say something relevant to the issue and maybe look like you know what you're talking about instead of all the stupid deflecting? Because I know you're not actually this stupid, and all this is is your fragile egos getting in the way of you and your friends actually making a relevant point.

Let's see....

1. Legatus thinks avoiding faction navies is an exploit.
2. Others have already said it is not.
3. Legatus doesn't want to file a petition to prove it is.

If it is not an exploit, and you think it is bad game design; then any topic on fixing the game mechanic should be in Features & Ideas Discussion forum.

So basically, anything further is just trolling.

I mean, I could write a whole new post, but if you're just going to spam irrelevant garbage from 5 pages ago, I guess we can waste more time.

I linked context showing clear evidence of you lying about something, there's no need for you to act like you're too stupid to understand that.

"whingy salty blah blah blah", it's almost as if you are all out of relevant things to say and have fallen back to personal attacks, the only defense you have left.

Well, you can always have more bebop spam in here about how "salty" and "whingy" everyone besides bebop is, that will definitely change the actual facts right? It has obviously accomplished so much already. Lol. You just don't have enough gallente in here spamming about how everyone else is whingy and salty. Just get more bebop posts! CTA! Raise the alarms! Gallente looks wrong on the internet spaceship forums! Everyone get in there and show calmil what you got!

Rofl, pathetic. You started off looking like you might have a relevant point, but all you've done is argue over the meaning of words and write a bunch of stories about eve online 10 years ago. None of which addresses the actual issue at all. Then you flip flopped around on certain obvious lies to save face, and called bebop in here to spam "salty, whingy", as if anyone is stupid enough not to see what you're doing.

At this point with all these guys coming in here to help the butthurt brigade, it actually looks more like bebop is desperately flopping around like a panicked fish. Why don't you just say something relevant to the issue and maybe look like you know what you're talking about instead of all the stupid deflecting? Because I know you're not actually this stupid, and all this is is your fragile egos getting in the way of you and your friends actually making a relevant point.

More exploit definition deflecting instead of addressing the actual issue, imagine my surprise. Try to imagine, if you can... the amount of surprise I felt when you instantly reverted back to the definition of exploit. We never knew you were going to go back to that pointless diversion from the OP 5 pages ago.

And the sad part is that you're still wrong anyways. Just because we are in the eve forums doesn't mean every use of the word exploit has to be in the context of CCP-declared bannable "exploiting". It's not that way now, it never was that way, and it's never going to be that way, so lay off it already, you're wrong, period, move on and learn from your mistakes. Stop with the stupid incorrect deflections and make a relevant point. FFS.

Just because CCP say it isnt an exploit doesnt mean it isnt an exploit?

Ok mate...

i think we are done here lol. Good attempt at trolling, nothing to write home about.

read the text pls

CalMil is currently building up assets to support blues in northern Placid, don't worry we are still here.

Got a whole militia of pets?
Well played!

We haven't broken any rules. Sorry Legatus, Crosi is right on this one.
We are not exploiting a thing, and if you have a problem with what we do, you are more than welcome to take it up with us.
Stay out of Caldari Hi-Sec once you're in Faction Warfare, or if you choose to ignore that, at least avoid using Litiura (Or just add the guys who do camp that system to a contact list, which if you look hard enough, they're not hard to find).

Don't mistake your lack of understanding the game mechanics with thinking that others are abusing them. CCP is more than aware of what is being done.

We do our part in disrupting the movements of GalMil forces moving through Villore. It's not a secret. What's more, even if it's out there, people will still go through that system, and will die for it. The exact same applies to the Caldari side. No matter how often you tell people to not go through Litiura or Tama, people will still do it.

Avoiding the npcs is considered an exploit. While some of the GMs don't understand how they work and won't do anything, the ones that do understand what's going on will give you a ban warning.

edit

To the people complaining about people doing this, just petition it. When the GM replies with a generic answer, respond about how they aren't tanking the npcs....that they are avoiding them alltogether using an exploit. It'll bust up the camp pretty good and they'll have to go back to the quick strikes with alpha again instead of camping 24/7. CCP doesn't have a problem with people camping the systems where the npcs dps is tankable, but they won't allow people to use an exploit to avoid them alltogether in the higher security systems where it's nigh impossible to tank them.

Speaking from experience on both ends.

It doesn't say so here.

Why don't you scream hard enough to CCP to get it listed it as an exploit then. Until then stop calling it an exploit because CCP made a list already.

Oh yes, that sure is a comprehensive list. I suppose I can start abandoning hundreds of drones around a stargate again. Since it's not on that list I can ignore my previous ban warnings for it.

Geez, this conversation about FW pilots vs faction npc police started back in August. And the tactic started years ago.

Wtf!? Get over it people.

What's going on in FW? How're things in Black Rise?