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Sinlare
Gallente Sinlare Auditorium
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Posted - 2006.12.09 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Shameless Avenger Edited by: Shameless Avenger on 09/12/2006 09:28:15 For those saying empire is a risk free isk making zone, you really need to pay more attention to the weekly threads:
1) OMGWTF I got ganked in hi sec - weekly thread.
You can't get ganked in highsec - if you think before you act, and don't fly around your vagabond bpo in an ibis.
2) OMGWTF noobie corp got wardeked in high sec - weekly thread
noobie corps, a.k.a. npc corporations can't be wardecced - player corps, a.k.a. not noobie corps can.
3) OMGWTF helped guy in high sec, Ganked by POS - weekly thread
Think before you act, highsec pos dont randomly shoot people.
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BurnHard
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Posted - 2006.12.09 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sinlare
Originally by: Shameless Avenger Edited by: Shameless Avenger on 09/12/2006 09:28:15 For those saying empire is a risk free isk making zone, you really need to pay more attention to the weekly threads:
1) OMGWTF I got ganked in hi sec - weekly thread.
You can't get ganked in highsec - if you think before you act, and don't fly around your vagabond bpo in an ibis.
2) OMGWTF noobie corp got wardeked in high sec - weekly thread
noobie corps, a.k.a. npc corporations can't be wardecced - player corps, a.k.a. not noobie corps can.
3) OMGWTF helped guy in high sec, Ganked by POS - weekly thread
Think before you act, highsec pos dont randomly shoot people.
So what is your point? Huh? High-sec is HIGH SEC not 0.0. wtf it's supposed to be 99% safe, with a small chance of taking one from behind.
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pushdogg
Minmatar The BlackSail Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.09 09:44:00 -
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lol, i dont care to read what you say, get over it, pie is everywhere, and if i get the chance, i will make your life completely miserable, just because mine is miserable
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Sinlare
Gallente Sinlare Auditorium
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Posted - 2006.12.09 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: BurnHard
So what is your point? Huh? High-sec is HIGH SEC not 0.0. wtf it's supposed to be 99% safe, with a small chance of taking one from behind.
The point is, you gotta be well high on drugs if you wanna die in highsec. |

Exogene
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Posted - 2006.12.09 10:11:00 -
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If there were 10 mil BS spawns in low sec i would never leave low sec, pirate or no pirate   
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Expote
RSP Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.12.09 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 08/12/2006 20:30:14 Summary of your post:
1. I don't like PvPers. They should leave me alone.
2. CCP would make more profit if they made EVE into World of Warcraft in Space. Even though they have said that they will never abandon the ideals that made EVE into the niche game it is, they should because I said so.
3. Pirates are "griefers."
4. All PvPers can be placed under a single wide category of player and are different from everyone else.
Excellent summary. Almost exactly what I though when reading the OP. 
EVE is the only good MMO with risk involved wherever you go. This hard environment is what makes it unique. The last thing we need is for CCP to give in to all the whines and make it like almost every other MMORPG out there. They've said they won't so I'm not worried about it though.
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Trinity Faetal
Gallente Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.09 11:11:00 -
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anyone ever told you that the devs who make this game play as low sec miner/carebear ganking pirates in the game (who run away at the slightest suggestion that someone might shoot back ) ?
i saw tomb and kieron ganking in amamake yesterday, griefers 
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DarkElf
Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts
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Posted - 2006.12.09 11:17:00 -
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Your right i don't get it. are you talking to pvp'ers or pirates? gankers or griefers? because u address it to pirates but looks like ur trying to talk to all pvp'ers.
I also don't actually get the point of this post tbh.
DE
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pyrofox
mUfFiN fAcToRy Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.09 11:46:00 -
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Sheesh you guys all lead such complicated lifes all them rules and morals.......your right i'm wrong yada yada Damn well sucks to be you guys.......
1. I want your ****, your mods whatever you got. 2. I will use whatever means are at my disposable to get it. 3. I will fraps the explosion your ship makes cos I like explosions. 4. I will frollick with your corse afterwards just for carnal pleasure.
CCP can move the goalposts all they want it don't matter a jot to me or my corpies. Just gotta slap them round the head occasionlly to break of free of the mass hysteria induced "OMFG pirating is dead" paronia instigated by people that do not have a clue.
Your post is just another 'typical about nothing flame'
yada yada for the sake of it.........
It's all about balance in eve and pirates are required for said balance.
Who are you trying to convince of anything ? or are you trying to educate or correct
See ya in lowsec when your travelling hi sec to 0.0 
And above all remember kiddies its just a game please keep your R.L tainted morals out of game.
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hUssmann
Caldari Veto.
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Posted - 2006.12.09 14:02:00 -
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What's with all the use of "Griefer" lately, have you actually looked up CCP's definition?
No, You haven't.
Idiot term of griefer - "When I get my ship blown up"
Idiot response when shooting someone else "They deserve it, it's not griefing"
Newsflash, killing people in LOW SECURITY space is perfectly allowed within game mechanics whatever their age.
High security, Is exactly that, HIGH security, Not PERFECTLY Secure, it's hard to gank someone in high-sec but not impossible.
There's a difference between Lame and Game mechanics, a few of you need to learn this. Lameness happens, get over it, exploitation of game mechanics happens and CCP sort it.
You can't cry "griefer" every time you get killed fair and square and expect CCP to cuddle you into it's bosom and ban everyone who is a threat
Grow up.
Phoenix Lonestar > Server lag was non-existant pre-Dragon |
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Neon Genesis
Gallente Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2006.12.09 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: Neon Genesis on 09/12/2006 14:13:12
Originally by: Fuujin For the record the pirates term is too widely used to encompass all pvpers, there's pirates and then there's gankbears.
For the record the content of your post is worthless.
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Requiescat
Keepers of the Holy Bagel The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.12.09 14:26:00 -
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For the record, I think this is the first "nerf pirates" thread I've seen since Revelations. High 5s all around! Good job m8s!
Can't waste a day when the night brings a hearse So make your move and plead the fifth, 'cause you can't plead the first |

Curzon Dax
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.09 16:02:00 -
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Ok, ebil pirates read again. Apparently you missed the point.
YOU CANNOT MAKE PEOPLE GO ANYWHERE. Regardless of how easy of victims you want. There are more people in highsec at any given time than there are in lowsec. And who the hell are you to speak for CCP? You say "CCP wanted highsec to be for new people to learn blah blah."
That's a complete load of it. If that were the case, they would have made a few 1.0 constellations that carried everything necessary to learn the game and after 30 days of playing, you would be locked out of them. Just like Everquest 2. Once you finish the noobie zone, you enter the real world and no more access to the noobie zone.
But they didn't did they? CCP supported a thriving high security galaxy which bustles with activity. What I'm saying is
1. Let people play the way they want to. 2. Get off your high horses. 3. Stop pretending that you know CCP's thoughts and feelings and that 4. They cater to your individual wishes AGAINST the majority. 5. Understand that lowsec is empty because YOU made it that way. 6. It will stay that way until you leave or carebears get to have bigger guns on their mining boats. 7. In life, easy money is rare. Very rare. You have to work for it. 8. Pirating is the same way. You want an easy victim? Its rare. 9. Don't equate PvP with pirating. There will NEVER be a shortage of PvP. Stop being a knee-knocking pansy and go get it. 10. Being the victim of pirating is NOT PvP. Don't even BEGIN to think that mission runners and miners who don't want to get ganked don't like PvP.
Seriously, stop twisting views and pretending that you're a boon to the galaxy. You're pirates. Unlawful, despicable, robbing without sovereign, a plunderer. There's nothing noble in what you do, and those you want to pirate have far less defense than someone who PvPs. Which is why you're pansies. You're afraid of PvP unless your "opponent" is defenseless.
By the way. I *do* PvP. I've been podded out of some +4 implants before, never pleasant. Lost some great ships, destroyed some others. I just scoff at pirating because you think you fit into the PvP scene. You don't. Want to pirate? Remember that the chance of "easy money" is not an every day thing. Want PvP? Look me up.
Seriously. Look me up. Bring your ****zle. I'm an industrialist, not a PvPer, and I will still knock your tail between your legs and remind you why you stick to pirating instead of PvP. Really. I'm getting online now.
/rant off
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Phant Zon
Minmatar No Quarter.
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Posted - 2006.12.10 02:46:00 -
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*sighs*
First of all, "PvP" is a very simple term, it means, simply 'Player versus Player'. Thats it. It doesnt mean "Player versus Player in a fair fight where both sides consented to combat", or any other gobbledy**** that you think it does. Its much older than EVE, older than your /duel s on Everquest, and Ive been told it predates MUDs as well.
Secondly, PVPers arent out to eat your puppies and ruin your day. Well, I suppose some of them are, theres always those types in any population you care to choose. Most of them dont think anything more of popping your hauler/npc BS/mining ship than they would putting you in checkmate, or sinking your battleship. Its just a game folks, and your getting all overly attached to your virtual possessions doesnt change that fact.
And finially, CCP obviously intended EVE to be what it is for the most part, argue risk versus reward, argue balancing, but screaming and throwing a temper tantrum about how the 'gankers' pwnded your ship aint goona matter a whit to them. In the end, PVErs arent your loyal segment in a game like this, eventually youve run every mission 1000 times, done every scripted thing there is, they can get there fix of killing mobs anywhere. EQ2, WOW, any plethora of other MMOs. For open, consequential PVP however, EVE is IT. Theres really no other game in town, short of MUDS.
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Gix Firebrand
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Posted - 2006.12.10 03:37:00 -
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LOL @ OP.
Low sec is empty because it's risk doesn't match it's reward. Period.
You think its not true? You obviously didn't play UO. People will risk all for great reward. People knew Deceit was a bad dungeon to go into. Knew there was a good chance to get killed and everything taken. Also a good chance to make some money and some loot.
This is the typical not understanding why low sec should be profitable thread.
Don't be afraid of low sec getting buffed. You won't have to go there, but the reward should match the risk. Nobody is trying to take your precious industry away from you :P
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Stroke
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Posted - 2006.12.10 07:51:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax
Seriously, stop twisting views and pretending that you're a boon to the galaxy. You're pirates. Unlawful, despicable, robbing without sovereign, a plunderer. There's nothing noble in what you do, and those you want to pirate have far less defense than someone who PvPs. Which is why you're pansies. You're afraid of PvP unless your "opponent" is defenseless.
So when real-world pirates sailed the seas in the days of old, they went strait after the British Navy ships because they would give them the most challenge? I could have sworn they attacked and plundered soft targets. At times, they did mix it up with the Navy, but only when they saw it in their favor or had few options.
Take modern day pirates. They board and steal from merchant ships or small luxury liners/boats. They do not engage the US coast guard.
Are you seeing the pattern? Even Sun Tzu's dirty socks understand warfare better than you.
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shogun1
Gallente Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2006.12.10 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax Greetings, and this isn't your typical flame.
Yeah it is. We have heard them time and time before.
Originally by: Curzon Dax Pirates, you don't get it. CCP is a business. They're in the business to make profit. More players means more profit. Now ask and answer some questions for yourself.
1. Are there more hardcore PvPers in Eve, or more non hardcore PvPers?
2. Are there more lowsec griefers in Eve or people who don't want to be victimized?
3. If people want to PvP, is it available to them?
4. If people want to avoid PvP is the option available to them?
5. Are both play styles conducive to fun?
At the end of the day, CCP will do what any company does and do their best to make as large of a customer base enjoy their product as possible. Making griefing easier doesn't gain more customers (you can't force people into lowsec). Making lowsec more profitable would draw very few people into lowsec. If lowsec had 10 million ISK bounty battleship rats that dropped faction loot, would lowsec be more populated? Doubt it. More players would try it, more pirates would hang in lowsec, and at the end of the day, you'll balance to what we have now. The griefers are in lowsec, the people who don't want to be taken advantage of aren't in lowsec. I like Empire, and I like 0.0. Nothing CCP does it going to bring me to lowsec, and most of us "carebears" feel that way. There's more of us than there are of you, and at the end of the day...a business model caters to the majority, not to the minority.
You want to pirate in lowsec, find some other pirates and grief them. Like draws their own kind, ya know?
Moved from General Discussion - Serathu ([email protected])
1. more non-pvpers, but the scale is tipping.
2. People who cry when their "baby" gets a scratch.
3. if there is always people.
4. Yes it is.
5. ...sure, lets go with "yes".
Your argument is fair, except for one small detail: people will go to great lengths to get more ISK. And where is the ISK? Low sectors! The greed outweighs the need for saftey. And we can STILL get to you in high sector, so how would it make a diffrence anyway? hablaaarg? |

Cadela Fria
Amarr eXin Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.10 09:12:00 -
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Edited by: Cadela Fria on 10/12/2006 09:12:02
Originally by: Curzon Dax Ok, ebil pirates read again. Apparently you missed the point.
YOU CANNOT MAKE PEOPLE GO ANYWHERE. Regardless of how easy of victims you want. There are more people in highsec at any given time than there are in lowsec. And who the hell are you to speak for CCP? You say "CCP wanted highsec to be for new people to learn blah blah."
Of course you can't FORCE people to go anywhere, thats entirely up to them..nobody ever said otherwise. The reason people go "CCP wanted this" and "CCP wanted that" is because CCP really said these things at one point or another.
Originally by: Curzon Dax
That's a complete load of it. If that were the case, they would have made a few 1.0 constellations that carried everything necessary to learn the game and after 30 days of playing, you would be locked out of them. Just like Everquest 2. Once you finish the noobie zone, you enter the real world and no more access to the noobie zone.
Well isn't that cute. Here's some news for you though mr. loudmouth dimwit, THIS AINT EVERQUEST 2! SURPRISE!  There are however, several systems that are designated "starter" systems, which are actually vastly different from regular 1.0 systems:
1. They have an ABUNDANCE of skills, ships, equipment etc..granted not necessarily T2 ships, but hey..by the time you wanna get a T2 ship, you SHOULD by all reason be out of the starter system.
2. CONCORD reacts INSTANTLY in these starter systems..believe me I KNOW first hand.. I went through several high sec systems in a mwd'ing interceptor even though I was flashy red (ie. -5.0 sec status) with no problem..even 1.0 ..Then I got to a starter system (also 1.0) and as SOON as I uncloaked, CONCORD appeared out of the thin air, had me locked instantly and killed me in less then 2 seconds.
Originally by: Curzon Dax
But they didn't did they? CCP supported a thriving high security galaxy which bustles with activity. What I'm saying is
*BUZZZZ* Wrong again sport!
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Cadela Fria
Amarr eXin Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.10 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax
1. Let people play the way they want to.
Works both ways buddy boy, us pirates want to play our way too..and that means killing and ransoming people and just having fun. Does that mean our victims should willingly submit to that?..Course not, but we shouldn't submit either.
Originally by: Curzon Dax
2. Get off your high horses.
Says the man preaching on a pedestal about what us pirates can and can't do, and what we can and can't say etc etc. Get over yourself numbnuts.
Originally by: Curzon Dax
3. Stop pretending that you know CCP's thoughts and feelings and that
See this is what I mean. Get over youself!
Who's pretending though? CCP have more then once said this was a PvP game, and part of what makes this game so awesome, is that you MIGHT gain wealth and success. You also might lose EVERYTHING.
Originally by: Curzon Dax
4. They cater to your individual wishes AGAINST the majority.
Really now eh? Just what exactly did you base that statement on? Where's your figures? your data? your evidence!? Well?
Thats what I thought.
Originally by: Curzon Dax
5. Understand that lowsec is empty because YOU made it that way.
Partially true..lowsec is empty because the risk (us pirates killing people who enter it) is a LOT bigger then the reward. If we stopped killing people in lowsec, the reward would be worth it..BUT! Seeing as thats not going to happen *shrugs* Just have to wait and see if that changes over time.
Originally by: Curzon Dax
6. It will stay that way until you leave or carebears get to have bigger guns on their mining boats.
We won't leave, and mining boats won't get bigger guns..you can't have your cake and eating it too. If you want to mine in lowsec, make sure you have an able bodied military force to protect you.
Originally by: Curzon Dax
7. In life, easy money is rare. Very rare. You have to work for it.
First of all this ain't real life...second of all, you're right, easy money IS rare..that is, if you don't know HOW to get easy money. Lots of people do..and they are FILTHY rich without too much effort.
Originally by: Curzon Dax
8. Pirating is the same way. You want an easy victim? Its rare.
Patience is a virtue...finding easy victims is just a matter of searching long enough.
Originally by: Curzon Dax 9. Don't equate PvP with pirating. There will NEVER be a shortage of PvP. Stop being a knee-knocking pansy and go get it.
Here's another little surprise for you dimwit; PvP = Player versus Player..now unless you industrialists/carebears, aren't players..you get my point. It don't matter if what you're shooting at can't fight back..it is still ONE PLAYER, versus ANOTHER PLAYER, thus Player Versus Player, pvp..get it??
Originally by: Curzon Dax
10. Being the victim of pirating is NOT PvP. Don't even BEGIN to think that mission runners and miners who don't want to get ganked don't like PvP.
*BUZZZ* WRONG AGAIN! It IS PvP, whether you like it or not
Originally by: Curzon Dax
Seriously, stop twisting views and pretending that you're a boon to the galaxy. You're pirates. Unlawful, despicable, robbing without sovereign, a plunderer. There's nothing noble in what you do, and those you want to pirate have far less defense than someone who PvPs. Which is why you're pansies. You're afraid of PvP unless your "opponent" is defenseless.
Thank you for the compliment about being unlawful, despicable and all that other jazz *blushes* you're too kind! Of course it's not noble...I don't pirate to be noble, quite on the contrary, and I don't really care if the person I kill is less capable at fighting then I am..It's not something I think about. I kill/ransom people because I want to...whether it's a mining barge, or it's a command ship.
Now, do you want to possibly use your BRAIN next time before you post? Please do..if you know how.
-Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right |

Felix Dzerzhinsky
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Posted - 2006.12.10 10:11:00 -
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I never understoood people who actually enjoy mission running in EvE. EvE has, nearly the worst, most boring, most mind-numbing PvE system in the world. . .I mean "woot, I got PI - finally a challange" just does not cut it. . . As much as I hate wow, that is a PvE game. If people want to turn 0.0 into a 'battlefield' style game, then please, go play the game that is right for you - its not eve.
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Famine Aligher'ri
V i L e
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Posted - 2006.12.10 10:23:00 -
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Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 10/12/2006 10:22:59
Originally by: Originally by: Curzon Dax
10. Being the victim of pirating is NOT PvP. Don't even BEGIN to think that mission runners and miners who don't want to get ganked don't like PvP.
Originally by: Cadela Fria
*BUZZZ* WRONG AGAIN! It IS PvP, whether you like it or not
It's really not hard to understand his logic. Sure it's player vs player. It's not what they call "real pvp". Why? Well, what they call "real pvp" is sort of like being a soldier in a army(corp/faction). You fight for a cause and you do it for the combat. Piracy we do it for the ISK. They might have honor but rarely do we. Piracy isn't about that style of pvp but instead a vile style of pvp. Engaging people who do not want to be engage yet they engage people who want to be engaged.
2 different worlds of pvp really. Simple logic eh? It's a matter of opinion too but really I don't consider what I do real pvp. I consider it pay.
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Cadela Fria
Amarr eXin Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.10 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 10/12/2006 10:22:59
Originally by: Originally by: Curzon Dax
10. Being the victim of pirating is NOT PvP. Don't even BEGIN to think that mission runners and miners who don't want to get ganked don't like PvP.
Originally by: Cadela Fria
*BUZZZ* WRONG AGAIN! It IS PvP, whether you like it or not
It's really not hard to understand his logic. Sure it's player vs player. It's not what they call "real pvp". Why? Well, what they call "real pvp" is sort of like being a soldier in a army(corp/faction). You fight for a cause and you do it for the combat. Piracy we do it for the ISK. They might have honor but rarely do we. Piracy isn't about that style of pvp but instead a vile style of pvp. Engaging people who do not want to be engage yet they engage people who want to be engaged.
2 different worlds of pvp really. Simple logic eh? It's a matter of opinion too but really I don't consider what I do real pvp. I consider it pay.
"real pvp" is a concept thats in the eye of the beholder and can be debated from one end of the universe to the other. Sure enough as you say, there's a difference...but it's like I said, a matter of debate/opinion.
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Kehmor
Caldari PAK Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.10 21:43:00 -
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Edited by: Kehmor on 10/12/2006 21:43:59 Haven't read all the thread so apologies if this has been said but in actuality I don't think the op gets it. How do ccp find out what their players want? Well they don't guess, they read the forums. So if CCP read the forums and see wide spread complaints about piracy being gimped then maybe they will change it. So even by your line of arguement whining is 100% worth it for us.
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Mikojo
Dark Entropy iPOD Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.11 22:42:00 -
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Eve would be a scary, SCARYplace if it was all carebears. I have almost daily meetings with carebears and a good majority of them are some of the nastiest and most immature people that I have ever spoken too, in and out of eve. I do a bit of orethieving and high sec piracy to make money and I do it nicely and politely. It's one of the things I enjoy in this game, but they take it as a personal attack and go completely psycho most of the time and do some really nasty things. To one of my friends they have gone to the point of where he petitioned them and I'm quite sure they were banned. 
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Bardi MecAuldnis
Amarr Pirates of Destruction Union
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Posted - 2006.12.11 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Mikojo Eve would be a scary, SCARYplace if it was all carebears. I have almost daily meetings with carebears and a good majority of them are some of the nastiest and most immature people that I have ever spoken too, in and out of eve. I do a bit of orethieving and high sec piracy to make money and I do it nicely and politely. It's one of the things I enjoy in this game, but they take it as a personal attack and go completely psycho most of the time and do some really nasty things. To one of my friends they have gone to the point of where he petitioned them and I'm quite sure they were banned. 
Amen. --- Hey hey let's go kenka suru! Taisetsuna mono protect my balls! Boku ga warui so lets fighting! LET'S FIGHTING LOVE!!! |

Devian 666
SHADOW FLEET iPOD Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.11 23:57:00 -
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I agree a lot of the carebears are vile people that deserve to have their ship popped, podded, ore stolen/flipped and popped. They are the type of people that ruin the game for other people with their sociopathic behaviour. Cool an orange sig |

Cadela Fria
Amarr eXin Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.12 01:07:00 -
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*Tapdances in from the left, sporting a tall hat and a cane* *tap tap tappedee tap tap tap tap* *then tap dances out to the right, raising hat on way out* 
-Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right |

Devian 666
SHADOW FLEET iPOD Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.12 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: shogun1
Originally by: Devian 666 I agree a lot of the carebears are vile people that deserve to have their ship popped, podded, ore stolen/flipped and popped. They are the type of people that ruin the game for other people with their sociopathic behaviour.
Oh the irony!
Check out the title of this thread "Pirates don't get it". It should be correctly titled carebears don't get it. They are rude to and abuse pirates, but hang on where does the market demand for minerals, modules and ships come from? They should be overjoyed that their ship, pod or jet can have been selected for destruction and thank pirates.
It's rather hypocritical to consider that once pvpers move from low sec to 0.0 they change from pirates, anti pirates, etc. to friendlies and hostiles. It's all semantics. Cool an orange sig |

grizzlemethis
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
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Posted - 2006.12.12 04:30:00 -
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All roads lead to PvP in the end TBH. There are exceptions but its the rule
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El Verbatim
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Posted - 2006.12.12 12:16:00 -
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Edited by: El Verbatim on 12/12/2006 12:16:47 Imho, empire is the place where all the griefers are cause they won't let me play the game how I want.
I'm trying to sell my tritanium for 100 isk/unit cause I can't make much money otherwise but all these griefers keep undercutting my price and nobody is buying my trit. How am I ever going to make money this way? They're completely blocking my income and I can't do anything else then boring mining, mining mining for hours for a few isk only. THIS IS NOT FAIR! BAN THEM!!!!
/sarcasm off
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