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Sammy Xan Caldari Order of the Storm	Posted - 2006.12.12 15:29:00 - [61] Originally by: Miss Overlord time for a carebear server where no one can touch em and they can PVE to their hears content and a PVP server where everything is free nothing in the PVE field but endless PVP for all. Lets just do away with the idea of an intergrated universe Mmmkay, I take it that "Trammel" and Fellucca" doesn't ring any bells grasshopper ?
Neal Cassady Shih Yang Tong	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:39:00 - [62] you guys are too much... pirates have the hardest life in eve. We can get blown up anywhere. We can't go to rens or jita to get mods, unless we have an alt. We have to take a big risk every time we want to make money. People rarely pay ransoms. And on top of this we have to listen to whiny little wusses like you talk about what low-lifes we are and how we dont play the game right. I joined eve so I could pirate (hear that, CCP?) and im sick of you sallies saying that the game should be more the way you want it because there are more of you. Maybe there are more of you because pirating takes skill, grit, and finesse, and you all just suck at it so you have to kill npc's who can barely fight back. Our life is hard, but it's fun. It keeps you on your toes. If you dont want to pvp, stay in high sec. If you want to learn how to pvp, start with a rifter or kestrel, that way when it pops (which it will) you wont be broke. If you're a whiny little girl who lost her raven with faction mods and wants to cry about it, go play Hello Kitty: Island Adventure. Neal Cassady
MirandasRight	Posted - 2006.12.12 17:11:00 - [63] Originally by: Neal Cassady you guys are too much... pirates have the hardest life in eve. We can get blown up anywhere. We can't go to rens or jita to get mods, unless we have an alt. We have to take a big risk every time we want to make money. People rarely pay ransoms. And on top of this we have to listen to whiny little wusses like you talk about what low-lifes we are and how we dont play the game right. I joined eve so I could pirate (hear that, CCP?) and im sick of you sallies saying that the game should be more the way you want it because there are more of you. Maybe there are more of you because pirating takes skill, grit, and finesse, and you all just suck at it so you have to kill npc's who can barely fight back. Our life is hard, but it's fun. It keeps you on your toes. If you dont want to pvp, stay in high sec. If you want to learn how to pvp, start with a rifter or kestrel, that way when it pops (which it will) you wont be broke. If you're a whiny little girl who lost her raven with faction mods and wants to cry about it, go play Hello Kitty: Island Adventure. Neal Cassady You're too funny. Pirating "takes skill". LOL. Yeah, lots of skill to swoop in on those unfortunate barge miners and try to scramble them. Then act all tough asking for ransom. Oooohh, how skillful. And then when those "carebears" make a stand you run like a scared rabbit. Love your WT0 skill dude. Run little piwat! Run!
Neal Cassady Shih Yang Tong	Posted - 2006.12.12 17:20:00 - [64] the carebears always make a stand unless they have a wcs fitted... they dont always shoot though. Sometimes they dont even get their drones out.
MirandasRight	Posted - 2006.12.12 17:27:00 - [65] Originally by: Neal Cassady the carebears always make a stand unless they have a wcs fitted... they dont always shoot though. Sometimes they dont even get their drones out. Stay and fight next time. You and Raven. Prove to the "carebears" that you have true fighting (aka "pvp") skills. Only thing that I have seen...about most pies, are "they're not fighting fairly" and they run or stay docked. Cowards.
Kcissem Dahc	Posted - 2006.12.12 17:27:00 - [66] Originally by: MirandasRight Originally by: Neal Cassady you guys are too much... pirates have the hardest life in eve. We can get blown up anywhere. We can't go to rens or jita to get mods, unless we have an alt. We have to take a big risk every time we want to make money. People rarely pay ransoms. And on top of this we have to listen to whiny little wusses like you talk about what low-lifes we are and how we dont play the game right. I joined eve so I could pirate (hear that, CCP?) and im sick of you sallies saying that the game should be more the way you want it because there are more of you. Maybe there are more of you because pirating takes skill, grit, and finesse, and you all just suck at it so you have to kill npc's who can barely fight back. Our life is hard, but it's fun. It keeps you on your toes. If you dont want to pvp, stay in high sec. If you want to learn how to pvp, start with a rifter or kestrel, that way when it pops (which it will) you wont be broke. If you're a whiny little girl who lost her raven with faction mods and wants to cry about it, go play Hello Kitty: Island Adventure. Neal Cassady You're too funny. Pirating "takes skill". LOL. Yeah, lots of skill to swoop in on those unfortunate barge miners and try to scramble them. Then act all tough asking for ransom. Oooohh, how skillful. And then when those "carebears" make a stand you run like a scared rabbit. Love your WT0 skill dude. Run little piwat! Run! Now as a new rookie/wannabe pirate i agree that attacking barges and other undefended ships do not take much skill, but that is what pirating is, why fight a fair fight when you can win an unfair one? seems to be pirating economics 101 to me. I can't say for anyone else but for me when "carebears" as you put it take stand the reason i run is cuz i have to be in control of the targets I pick not anyone else. Besides when they stand up it's usually very uneven odds and would be a lose lose situation for the pirate. 10 vs 1 anti pirating does not take skill either. The real skill to me is avoiding the revenge of those stand up "carebears" in the big blob that just jumped into the sytem, now thats my thrill. just my 2 cents. 2 kills and counting. /logoff
Neal Cassady Shih Yang Tong	Posted - 2006.12.12 17:48:00 - [67] Originally by: MirandasRight Originally by: Neal Cassady the carebears always make a stand unless they have a wcs fitted... they dont always shoot though. Sometimes they dont even get their drones out. Stay and fight next time. You and Raven. Prove to the "carebears" that you have true fighting (aka "pvp") skills. Only thing that I have seen...about most pies, are "they're not fighting fairly" and they run or stay docked. Cowards. Ahh I remember you now. Sorry, but sometimes all the smacktalkers tend to blur together. Didn't realize this was personal. Better keep a sharp eye on your miners in that little dead end system because Raven and I will definitely be back. Perhaps with friends who also have an appetite for mining barges :)
Valerek Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:05:00 - [68] Quote: 10 vs 1 anti pirating does not take skill either. The real skill to me is avoiding the revenge of those stand up "carebears" in the big blob that just jumped into the sytem, now thats my thrill. just my 2 cents. 2 kills and counting. /logoff Just see your fellow pie's remarks. He'll be back with his bunk buddies. Oh goodie...a piwat blob. How macho and exciting. Its hilarious to see you guys get all worked up about a "carebear" blob. Geee...isn't t the SAME TACTIC that you guys use against mission runners, lone barges, etc? Ummm...come to think of it no, it isn't. When you guys come in blobs, you attack players that CAN'T defend themselves. Silly me... Kettle, meet pot. Guess you piwats don't like a taste of your own meds. Too f'n bad.
Kcissem Dahc	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:11:00 - [69] Originally by: Valerek Quote: 10 vs 1 anti pirating does not take skill either. The real skill to me is avoiding the revenge of those stand up "carebears" in the big blob that just jumped into the sytem, now thats my thrill. just my 2 cents. 2 kills and counting. /logoff Just see your fellow pie's remarks. He'll be back with his bunk buddies. Oh goodie...a piwat blob. How macho and exciting. Its hilarious to see you guys get all worked up about a "carebear" blob. Geee...isn't t the SAME TACTIC that you guys use against mission runners, lone barges, etc? Ummm...come to think of it no, it isn't. When you guys come in blobs, you attack players that CAN'T defend themselves. Silly me... Kettle, meet pot. Guess you piwats don't like a taste of your own meds. Too f'n bad. My remarks was based off of solo pirating, which is all i've done as of yet. Solo pirating and gang pirating are two different things and require different tactics or evasion techniques. In a gang i would be more inclined to stay and fight depending on the situation of course. only my opinion though
Borg Fusion The Lost Souls	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:20:00 - [70] I don't think that matters, anyone can call themselves pirates these days in EvE. Corpse Collection
RavenofAzerath Shih Yang Tong	Posted - 2006.12.12 19:18:00 - [71] Pirating is a part of eve, so is low sec. If you have a problem of people taking advantage of your stupidity dont go in low sec. Simple solution to a simple problem. Lets face it i'd rather make easy money off an idiot in a mining barge then to have to fight a bc for it, thats just how business works. But dont get me wrong when it comes down to the fight i'l be sure to give it my all and regardless of who comes out on top, gf & gg, win or lose. Eve is only a game, and pirating is a part of it. Its time you learnt that. --------------------------- I'm not a pirate. Yarr! If in doubt spam ECM
MirandasRight	Posted - 2006.12.12 21:33:00 - [72] I have no problem whatsoever with TRUE pirates that will actually put up a fight even if solo. Blobs (whether small or large) that run are hilarious. And accusations of smack talk. Funnier still. Giving it your all? Yeah...you gave it your all ...full speed WT0.
RavenofAzerath Shih Yang Tong	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:00:00 - [73] True pirate? If a 'true' pirate is someone who jumps into masses of hostiles just to give a good show then i'd rather stay as i am (Unless i'm flying a t1 non-named frig/cruiser then what the hell :D). Pirating is just another business like in the rl, were people who money out of other peoples hard work. Eve has a sence of reality in it: you can do whatever you want but everything has a consequence, the consequence for pirates is that were banned from highsec and are the subject of flaming/whining/generally irritating posts like this. Hell, i was an ex-miner before i went rogue and i can tell you i used to think exactly the same about pirates being cowardly and stuff, theres more to it then you carebears realise and it takes alot of patience waiting for you to come back to your jetcan after we scared you off in the first place. All i'm trying to say is, sure we may take advantage of people and we may be run sometimes but i'd sooner run then loose my ship fittings and you clearly think the same, otherwise you wouldent run from us when we jump you in a belt or mission would you? --------------------------- I'm not a pirate. Yarr! If in doubt spam ECM
Devian 666 SHADOW FLEET iPOD Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:07:00 - [74] This is the one thing I don't get. I don't understand why people go around saying pirates are bad people and so on. When I first started I joined a mining corp to raise some isk. As a part of that I moved into a 0.4 system. I had great joy with nubs sniping at my hauler, inties or afs scramming me while mining. While I got rather grumpy on occassions and wanted to get some revenge I didn't go abusing people and do ridiculous smacktalk. Well except for one occassion. One of the nubs guys had entered local in a hac so I explained to him that he needed to pay a 500m ransom (yes my first ransom and I was still docked) . One of my former corp mates was passing through local and suggested that it was probably a bit steep so I lowered it to 400m. I fitted out a junk frig like an imicus with some electron blasters and went out looking for him. I scrammed him and started shooting. After about a minute or so I had him down to 90% shield (yes shield lol). At that point I told him that he could still surrender. Guess how long before my ship popped. The thing is I didn't fear being attacked or shot down and I knew I had to avoid combat ships, I also was well aware that heading into low sec was a significant risk but I accepted that. I have my own list of questions. Why do carebears insist on immunity from all pvp when they start taking risks? Why do they insist on not learning how to avoid combat? Why do they not bother scouting before jumping? Why are there so many players that avoid working with other people? Why do people want to make large amounts of isk and never use it for anything in the game? Why do they train lots of skills thinking that those skills will make them awesome at pvp? Why do carebears move into 0.0 with no intention of fighting for their region? Cool an orange sig
Smog890	Posted - 2006.12.13 03:54:00 - [75] well this post makes no sense you should already know that
MirandasRight	Posted - 2006.12.13 20:30:00 - [76] Edited by: MirandasRight on 13/12/2006 20:35:41 Us "carebears". I love how that title is thrown into the discussions. Carebears... Whatever. Yes, we run when we're in FRIGGIN BARGES. What kind of challengs is that for you? What SKILL does it take? None. That's my point. Why don't you try tackling peeps that can defend theselves to a certain degree. A career that takes no skill. LOL. Good one. And another thing, I like the smacktalk when you run away saying things like "Get protection from a buddy next time. Yadda yadda." If there was protection would you stick around for the challenge...? nahh...
Kcissem Dahc	Posted - 2006.12.13 20:55:00 - [77] Originally by: MirandasRight Edited by: MirandasRight on 13/12/2006 20:35:41 Us "carebears". I love how that title is thrown into the discussions. Carebears... Whatever. Yes, we run when we're in FRIGGIN BARGES. What kind of challengs is that for you? What SKILL does it take? None. That's my point. Why don't you try tackling peeps that can defend theselves to a certain degree. A career that takes no skill. LOL. Good one. And another thing, I like the smacktalk when you run away saying things like "Get protection from a buddy next time. Yadda yadda." If there was protection would you stick around for the challenge...? nahh... people just don't understand, like you for example. Pirating is not about taking on people who can defend themselves. Pirating is about making profit from raiding/killing anything we can handle EASILY either for ransom or the off chance something valuable drops for loot. if that means it's a unfair fight against a barge and a hauler than so be it. if they are stupid enough to be in low sec without someone watching their back then it's not the pirates fault but the "carebears" fault for not using their brain. I just don't understand why people expect to fly solo around low sec mining or trading whatever and expect there to be no risks involved. The way i see it if you don't like being ransomed/killed/or podded either stay in high sec where it's relatively safe or go play Toontown Online with the kiddies and be bugs bunny or daffy duck. /rant off........3 kills and counting /logoff
rat master	Posted - 2006.12.13 21:04:00 - [78] Originally by: Devian 666 Originally by: shogun1 Originally by: Devian 666 I agree a lot of the carebears are vile people that deserve to have their ship popped, podded, ore stolen/flipped and popped. They are the type of people that ruin the game for other people with their sociopathic behaviour. Oh the irony! Check out the title of this thread "Pirates don't get it". It should be correctly titled carebears don't get it. They are rude to and abuse pirates, but hang on where does the market demand for minerals, modules and ships come from? They should be overjoyed that their ship, pod or jet can have been selected for destruction and thank pirates. It's rather hypocritical to consider that once pvpers move from low sec to 0.0 they change from pirates, anti pirates, etc. to friendlies and hostiles. It's all semantics. Thats what Im reffering to. "oh they are griefers!" they yell in despair....and yet we get insulted more than they do! Or insulted at all, for that matter.....
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.12.13 21:19:00 - [79] EvE is all about PvP. Whether you're in the market, or on the battlefield, or in production, you are competing against other players. Allowing people to do whatever they want in eve without facing unwanted competition would ruin eve. There are tons of games that support PvE much better than eve does, but there are none that support PvP in all its forms as well as EVE. If CCP makes EVE just like the other games by strictly limiting PvP then they will lose their niche and there will be nothing to prevent players from going to other games which have much more developed forms of PvE. Shamis
Soporo	Posted - 2006.12.13 23:45:00 - [80] Edited by: Soporo on 13/12/2006 23:46:46 I'm going to make a wild guess and say that most people, possibly the vast majority, dont care about PvP being prevalent; but the contention is all about the matter of degree. Everything is subjective, and this is no different. Some people want 0.0 EVERYWHERE.(shortsighted) Some want more sa***uards EVERYWHERE.(shortsighted) edit: wtf s a f e g u a r d s is banned!? A lot of people fall somewhere between these views, and as in RL, the extremes seem to be the most noisy. I reckon I am somewhere in the middle, and the longer I play EVE I find myself gravitating more to the "right".
Cadela Fria Amarr eXin Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.14 02:49:00 - [81] Originally by: MirandasRight Edited by: MirandasRight on 13/12/2006 20:35:41 Us "carebears". I love how that title is thrown into the discussions. Carebears... Whatever. Yes, we run when we're in FRIGGIN BARGES. What kind of challengs is that for you? What SKILL does it take? None. That's my point. Why don't you try tackling peeps that can defend theselves to a certain degree. A career that takes no skill. LOL. Good one. And another thing, I like the smacktalk when you run away saying things like "Get protection from a buddy next time. Yadda yadda." If there was protection would you stick around for the challenge...? nahh... It's simple..we don't care what you're in..it doesn't matter. If we can kill it/ransom it..we will. Thats it.....seriously..thats all there is to it...no spooky motives or choices going on in the background. -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
Tappad Bakomenvagn	Posted - 2006.12.14 14:56:00 - [82] Pirates who ransom and so on I have no problem with, actually I respect them if they follow a code and let you go once you pay the ransom. Gatetards who gang up 10:1 killing whatever ship tries to use the gate are another thing, and those aren't IMO pirates I don't think anyone should mix them with real pirates who go Yaarr. Anyway, I agree mainly with the OP, CCP really shouldn't/couldn't move the PvE players favourite aspects of game to low sec. forcing PvE-players to become Ganktards content. They should tweak lo/no sec making it even more interesting to visit, not nerfing the options for us safespace-carebears. I think a lot of players would just stop playing if they removed the Carebear aspects of game, sure some would probably adapt but most would probably leave, I know I would leave and I know most of my RL friends playing eve would too. People play to have fun, if game change so much that you don't have fun anymore you'll simply leave or should for your own sanity. I don't think one group of player should look down on another group because they don't fancy the same content as the other. I have played some MMORPGS and in none of them I have enjoyed PvP, not because I am afraid to lose Money/loot/Exp. I just don't think it's funny. "Our profile says you're trying to con the street into killing you when you're not looking."
Hakiro Murasame Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.14 17:30:00 - [83] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz EvE is all about PvP. Whether you're in the market, or on the battlefield, or in production, you are competing against other players. ... Agreed. EvE stands for Everyone vs Everyone, after all. Ganj is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
Kehmor Caldari PAK Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.14 17:44:00 - [84] Originally by: MirandasRight I have no problem whatsoever with TRUE pirates that will actually put up a fight even if solo. Blobs (whether small or large) that run are hilarious. And accusations of smack talk. Funnier still. Giving it your all? Yeah...you gave it your all ...full speed WT0. you do of course realise that the changes that carebears have demanded provoked pirate blobbing. Back when there were no sentry guns or flagging there were also fewer pirate blobs as it was more profitable to work solo or in a small group. So you adapt the game, and we will adapt to survive.
Kye Kenshin Black Takeda	Posted - 2006.12.14 18:45:00 - [85] I've been playing this game nearly two years now and I see the same doom preaching threads every month or so. Yet the playerbase continues to rise. Now explain me this. If pirates and pvpers are "griefing" carebears out of the game how come we haven't lost subscribers steadily since the game launched? I bet you can't answer that one.
Kelbryn Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.14 19:33:00 - [86] CCP said it themselves "EVE is a PvP Game!"
Cheng Kung Amarr Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2006.12.14 19:33:00 - [87] to the op: If you like mmorpg's but don't like pvp and evil pirates like us, perhaps this is the game for you: Disney's Toontown Online
Aypse Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2006.12.14 20:36:00 - [88] Originally by: Cheng Kung to the op: If you like mmorpg's but don't like pvp and evil pirates like us, perhaps this is the game for you: Disney's Toontown Online QFT, oh and read my sig. Originally by: Oveur Eve is primarily a PVP game and hence our focus is on making that experience balanced.
Tappad Bakomenvagn	Posted - 2006.12.15 08:05:00 - [89] Originally by: Kelbryn CCP said it themselves "EVE is a PvP Game!" Yep, who said it isn't? PvP is just not all about easy target ganking. -T "Our profile says you're trying to con the street into killing you when you're not looking."
David H'Levi Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.12.15 08:11:00 - [90] Why am I responsible for CCP's success or failure as a business? If they want to change the game to stop pirating, that's their responsibility, not mine. We Recruit!

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