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NocturnalDeath Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.09 06:19:00 - [1] Edited by: NocturnalDeath on 09/12/2006 06:21:27 in the past 3 hours I have had griefers drop in on me 5 times, sometimes they kill the retreiver, sometimes they kill my tank... its way out of hand, I don' have time to deal with this on a regular basis, I play for fun, not to be griefed out of asteroid belts. not to mention the janitors that you call salvagers, come in on me in my Hulk with 8+ rats aggroed on me, they come in with a drake and start scooping my loot and salvaging the wrecks. wtf am I supposed to do? shoot at them and get blown to bits? its getting to the point where PvP is starting to look good... and thats really sad. /satire If CCP is going to make it harder to scan down mission runners, they should make it harder to scan down miners/ratters/traders/haulers
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.12.09 06:21:00 - [2] lol? KALI:Revelations.. Putting the Waaaa back in Piwat..
Scagga Laebetrovo Delictum 23216	Posted - 2006.12.09 06:28:00 - [3] haha I like. Delictum 23216 Official forums
Haffrage Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.09 06:29:00 - [4] I agree wholeheartedly, griefers should have to be given a delayed warp when trying to warp on anything in the game, and anybody already in whatever they're trying to warp to should be given a warning of the impending player, what they're flying, and a copy of their XML skill sheet so the humane players know what's coming. -----
sesanti Minmatar Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.12.09 06:30:00 - [5] EXACTLY! That was my point in the other HUGE thread. Those carebears believe that their region of space should be completely different and apart to the rest of the playerbase that don't mission. If CCP changes other thing but the time it takes to scan a mission complex, then they are opening the door for all these whines from miners, traders, and whatever other profession there is in EVE. Carebears have no clue where they are standing. They'll just change the game to their liking, and then just leave when the game is ruined by their own whims. _______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
Aphotic Raven Gallente Spectral Armada Eternal Empire	Posted - 2006.12.09 06:34:00 - [6] I agree entirely Nocturnal, maybe eve should implement a WoW style dueling system.. so we dont have to fight them if you dont want too! and also the defender should always be able to run back through space with a mangled frozen corpse and ressurect their ship from the wreck Quote: Melicien Tetro: I tried to fight a shark with a pistol underwater once, and I'll be **ed if he didn't laugh at me and eat me. Sharks need a ***** nerf. True story
Reiisha Satal's Legion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.09 06:43:00 - [7] A really good argument for at least giving mission runners some protection is this one: Why should any idiot with a scanner be able to access content a mission runner worked 2-3-4 weeks to get? EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.12.09 06:45:00 - [8] To Grief! KALI:Revelations.. Putting the Waaaa back in Piwat..
NocturnalDeath Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.09 06:46:00 - [9] Originally by: Reiisha A really good argument for at least giving mission runners some protection is this one: Why should any idiot with a scanner be able to access content a mission runner worked 2-3-4 weeks to get? It takes a lot longer to get into a hulk in 0.0 It takes about 3 days to get into lvl 4 missions (I AM A MISSION RUNNER!), don't know where you got 'weeks' at
Leverton AWE Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.09 06:48:00 - [10] Is this a real thread? -- The universe is governed by the aggressive use of force. Hows this for a little note! Oh, and YARRRRR!! - Petwraith I prefer the term RAWR - Xorus
sesanti Minmatar Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.12.09 06:54:00 - [11] Originally by: Leverton Is this a real thread? Nah a joke, but the other had a stupid premise as initial post and it was serious... As a matter of fact, i bet you there is a stupid carebear reading this and saying "i agree, PVP must be consentual in every sense"... Yes, i know it's you, little whiny carebear.. can you read this? Yes, we're talking about you, about what you're thinking right now, about turning EVE into a normal WOW-style PVP game... Come, get out of the closet, SHOW yourself, foul demon, I COMMAND THEE!!! _______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.12.09 06:55:00 - [12] Originally by: Leverton Is this a real thread? It's a response thread to the idiots that started the 'CCP are anti-social griefers' thread. It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Merchantigus Minmatar Riot Zone	Posted - 2006.12.09 07:18:00 - [13] Edited by: Merchantigus on 09/12/2006 07:27:30 Oh thank god for a second i thought he was serious :/ naughty little man you nearly caused an aneurysm edit what's real real funny/sad are the few sods that thought it was real and responded positively. I hope they too were joking but these days i doubt it. ps. whiny little mans go play in trafic ktnx "When still up after 30 hours you are type this good you will not mmhmhmmhmmm."
Jollyreaper Gallente Ace Adventure Corp	Posted - 2006.12.09 07:53:00 - [14] Originally by: NocturnalDeath Edited by: NocturnalDeath on 09/12/2006 06:21:27 in the past 3 hours I have had griefers drop in on me 5 times, sometimes they kill the retreiver, sometimes they kill my tank... its way out of hand, I don' have time to deal with this on a regular basis, I play for fun, not to be griefed out of asteroid belts. not to mention the janitors that you call salvagers, come in on me in my Hulk with 8+ rats aggroed on me, they come in with a drake and start scooping my loot and salvaging the wrecks. wtf am I supposed to do? shoot at them and get blown to bits? its getting to the point where PvP is starting to look good... and thats really sad. /satire If CCP is going to make it harder to scan down mission runners, they should make it harder to scan down miners/ratters/traders/haulers Where are you mining? The miners in my corp aren't having that kind of problem. It sounds like you might want to team up with some other miners for protection. EVE ain't a solo game, you gotta be with your mates. :)
slothe Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.09 08:03:00 - [15] *Before complaining about any ship try flying Minmatar*
kruspathuul	Posted - 2006.12.09 08:03:00 - [16] Originally by: Haffrage I agree wholeheartedly, griefers should have to be given a delayed warp when trying to warp on anything in the game, and anybody already in whatever they're trying to warp to should be given a warning of the impending player, what they're flying, and a copy of their XML skill sheet so the humane players know what's coming. haha, priceless
Sgt Napalm ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.09 08:22:00 - [17] /lawl
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.12.09 08:31:00 - [18] Edited by: mazzilliu on 09/12/2006 08:31:28 /signed, i want to be able to mine my ark in peace. EVE is a carebearing game anyways. 1000% awesome guide to logging out
Johnny Twoshoe Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.09 08:37:00 - [19] Haha. /signed and IBTL. ~~~ Like a blind hammer... That destroys what it can't see...
Sokhar Amarr The Collective	Posted - 2006.12.09 08:38:00 - [20] HAI FIVE
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.09 08:57:00 - [21] CCP lets do away with this intergrated universe to many solo players thinking they are playing some solo player PC space game like elite or x2 or x3. Lets just have a PVE harvesting forum where u cant PVP at all u can harvest missions resources etc in 100% saftey and then Lets have a PVP server ( could just make it SISI) where everything is 100 ISK ships and all and ppl can just bore themselves to death playing PVP with no PVE at all we could call this a fun game where carebears have a server and hardcore PVPers can blow each other up with our limited attention spans no need for probes or anything else then Whos with me These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Mnengli Noiliffe	Posted - 2006.12.09 09:13:00 - [22] Belts are available in overview, missions deadspace are not. Has been like that from the beginning. Everyone got used to this simple fact because it was basic game concept. To change it all of the sudden is to annoy lots of players who got used to this system and to make some of them abandon the game. If the mission deadspaces were visible on overview (which is the same as being scannable in 30 seconds) from the day they were introduced, no one would ever whine, they would just not use them. Lots of newbies of all times would either get used to them as some useless nuisance or just quit the game if they wouldn't like other of its aspects. But as this didn't happen, lots of people got used to what we have now. They believed CCP that this core concept won't get changed much because it is one of the main reasons they played the game. And of course they didn't like that now it's changed so drastically. Think of it. What if CCP one day decided that belts indeed should be scanned for 20 min or so? Most probably in this case that you and others would quit or whine on forums to death, because you got used and enjoy current system when you can gank newbs in belts all the day. Absolutely the same situation is with deadspaces. Changing them this much would cause large userbase to lose trust in CCP and quit. Of course only pirates and selfish pvpers want that, not CCP, so the fix is underway. As for different RP arguments... According to the backstory, mission deadspace is hidden in space. It takes faction intel agencies lots of work to spot these deadspaces, to give coordinates to the agent runner. So why do you think that before mission runner enters the gate, it's all hidden, even with tens of frig cruisers and battleships inside, but once another ship enters the complex, everyone can find it within 30 seconds? this is not logical at all and is not realistic. It can't be realistic that in star system hundreds of AU wide, anything can be scanned down within 30 seconds. The light travels such distances for days. Why signal from target to the scan probe does so in 30 seconds? if anything, THIS is unrealistic, not that "not anybody can be easily found". Space differs from planet by this easy thing - it's hard to find something in space, unlike planet, where everything can be controlled. Was mainm reason I joined actually to experience something diferent than other dumb gankfest mmos. And now what we get is another game where you run all over th eplace and gank everything there is. Does not look like space at all tbh. I could understand those things with ether-like physics for the sake of simplicity, but 30 sec scanning is getting too far.
Rey Xavier Gallente Bluestar Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.09 10:01:00 - [23] Edited by: Rey Xavier on 09/12/2006 10:09:01 Originally by: Jollyreaper Where are you mining? The miners in my corp aren't having that kind of problem. It sounds like you might want to team up with some other miners for protection. EVE ain't a solo game, you gotta be with your mates. :) That might indeed be a positive effect. Multiplayer games should at least make you gain some ingame friends - if you loose all your RL friends over it Originally by: Miss Overlord CCP lets do away with this intergrated universe to many solo players thinking they are playing some solo player PC space game like elite or x2 or x3. Lets just have a PVE harvesting forum where u cant PVP at all u can harvest missions resources etc in 100% saftey and then Lets have a PVP server ( could just make it SISI) where everything is 100 ISK ships and all and ppl can just bore themselves to death playing PVP with no PVE at all we could call this a fun game where carebears have a server and hardcore PVPers can blow each other up with our limited attention spans no need for probes or anything else then Whos with me Ah, I personally like the uniqe fact that EVE is not split up. It's pretty hard to cater the different playstyles without different rulesets and EVE is doing a great job as far as I can see. But the point is risk vs reward - especially when it comes to griefing. That's probably the main issue right now. Still I would like to see a dev posting about their "vision" of the game - if this was just an accident and how they feel about griefing in general. The problem with splitting up the servers would be that from my experience numbers on hardcore PvP servers tend to fall below rentability pretty fast because especially griefers don't like griefing. I think limiting griefing by tuning risk vs reward will be the better way, so all can enjoy PvP fights with fun for both sides (even if you loose) -> leading to telling friends, rising subscription number. The opposite is gate camping / mission + belt griefing which usually results in just one side having fun -> leading to canceling subscriptions. Forgot to add: Especially new players, who either don't know all availiable tools or don't have enough money yet need serious protection. They might get a false impression by a few grief incidents and stop playing, missing all the fun in the later game. Also real fans of PvP and not of "low risk caregriefing" should support limiting griefing since it's obvious that you need money to prepare for PvPing and people facing griefing will not have a high opinion on PvP (leading to underpopulated low sec and 0.0) even though PvP fights can be a lot of fun. =============================== Ihr pers÷nliches Kreditinstitut
Merchantigus Minmatar Riot Zone	Posted - 2006.12.09 10:15:00 - [24] LOL it keeps getting bigger. "When still up after 30 hours you are type this good you will not mmhmhmmhmmm."
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.09 10:20:00 - [25] To the griefmobile! --------------------------------------------------------------------
Merchantigus Minmatar Riot Zone	Posted - 2006.12.09 10:22:00 - [26] Dear masters of the univiverse. merchant here. The Eve forums have had so much whine on them recently that the pure mass of stupidity has created a black hole. We're very sorry pls come fix it ktnx. Love and kisses Merchant Ps. Send more cheese. With the black hole and all you could just kind of toss it in this general direction and the gravity would pull it to us. one more time today just 4 j00 "When still up after 30 hours you are type this good you will not mmhmhmmhmmm."
Nicholai Pestot Gallente Havoc Inc	Posted - 2006.12.09 10:24:00 - [27] Originally by: Reiisha A really good argument for at least giving mission runners some protection is this one: Why should any idiot with a scanner be able to access content a mission runner worked 2-3-4 weeks to get? Why should any idiot capable of grinding repetative, easy missions for 2-3-4 weeks be allowed access to content that is only available elsewhere through months or years of teamwork and risk? ________________ What you do is you store up the rage, let it fester while you gain strength, then use it to gank those weaker than you... and so the circle of life is complete
Mnengli Noiliffe	Posted - 2006.12.09 10:31:00 - [28] Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe on 09/12/2006 10:35:04 Originally by: Nicholai Pestot Originally by: Reiisha A really good argument for at least giving mission runners some protection is this one: Why should any idiot with a scanner be able to access content a mission runner worked 2-3-4 weeks to get? Why should any idiot capable of grinding repetative, easy missions for 2-3-4 weeks be allowed access to content that is only available elsewhere through months or years of teamwork and risk? because 2-3-4 teamworkers need to get the isk to replace their pvp losses somewhere. They wouldn't sell their uber team content to ugly mission runners otherwise wouldn't they. they don't want to mine and run missions themselves right? so should ccp just place mins and isk into their pockets for pvp events they prefer to participate in? like, 1 killed noob mining in 0.2 = 1k zyd + 1 mil isk, or such .. would be cool eh?
Merdaneth	Posted - 2006.12.09 10:38:00 - [29] Originally by: NocturnalDeath its way out of hand, I don' have time to deal with this on a regular basis, I play for fun, not to be griefed out of asteroid belts. You have the analogy wrong. If CCP enabled everyone to destroy roids with weapons fire, and ppl jumped into your belt and started blowing up all the roids, then your analogy would be somewhat correct.
Nicholai Pestot Gallente Havoc Inc	Posted - 2006.12.09 10:40:00 - [30] Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe on 09/12/2006 10:35:04 Originally by: Nicholai Pestot Originally by: Reiisha A really good argument for at least giving mission runners some protection is this one: Why should any idiot with a scanner be able to access content a mission runner worked 2-3-4 weeks to get? Why should any idiot capable of grinding repetative, easy missions for 2-3-4 weeks be allowed access to content that is only available elsewhere through months or years of teamwork and risk? because 2-3-4 teamworkers need to get the isk to replace their pvp losses somewhere. They wouldn't sell their uber team content to ugly mission runners otherwise wouldn't they. they don't want to mine and run missions themselves right? so should ccp just place mins and isk into their pockets for pvp events they prefer to participate in? like, 1 killed noob mining in 0.2 = 1k zyd + 1 mil isk, or such .. would be cool eh? Yeah, great, an nice big isk fountain into eve that makes any material value of 0.0 territorial agression pointless. Dont worry fellers, we lost 50% of our regions, but thanks to easy hi-sec missions our economy is still running at 100%. ________________ What you do is you store up the rage, let it fester while you gain strength, then use it to gank those weaker than you... and so the circle of life is complete

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