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MOCC3	Posted - 2006.12.09 09:49:00 - [1] OMFG!!!! screw the nano set up this is much much better.. NanoPhoon was a thing of the past from here on out... 5 best named Stabs gave me a huge speed boost over 5 named Nano's Were talking with T2 Mwd top speed of..3200 with 5 Stabs T2 MWD 3700 And im guessing with my Faction MWD i should get close to that silly 4500 area i want to hit with out going totaly snake implants. And this thing like ubber warps. Thanks CCP for giving Minnie players a I Win button the only thing i fear in my StabbaPhoon Minnie recon ship with Ravens in it Drone bay shooting rage torps.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.12.09 09:52:00 - [2] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 09/12/2006 09:52:07 So stabs now means Inertial Stabilizers, not WCS.... :) Update the dictionaries... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
MOCC3	Posted - 2006.12.09 09:55:00 - [3] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 09/12/2006 09:52:07 So stabs now means Inertial Stabilizers, not WCS.... :) Update the dictionaries... Yes Sir you are crrect as far as i see it. InertaPhoon sounds lame.
Nadraas Antipodean inc. Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2006.12.09 11:06:00 - [4] From a someone new to phoon's, what would be the exact setup then?
Liam Fremen Gallente Global Isk Network	Posted - 2006.12.09 11:12:00 - [5] Edited by: Liam Fremen on 09/12/2006 11:12:02 2 Variant: Siege One: 4x Siege Launcher 4x Heavy Nosferatu 1x Heavy Electrochemical Cap Booster + 800's charge 1x 100MN MWD T2/Faction/Named 1x 20km Warp Distruptor 1x Tracking Distruptor/Sensor Booster/Sensor Dampener/20km Distruptor 5x Inertial Stabilyzer (best you can afford to lose) 1x Balistic Control Unit T2 1x Reactor Control Unit T2 Cruise One: 4x Cruise Missle Launcher 4x Heavy Nosferatu 1x Heavy Electrochemical Cap Booster + 800's charge 1x 100MN MWD T2/Faction/Named 1x 20km Warp Distruptor 1x Tracking Distruptor/Sensor Booster/Sensor Dampener/20km Distruptor 7x Inertial Stabilyzer (best you can afford) I personaly prefer the 2nd variant, it makes lower damage but way more confortable in 1vs2-3-4 at gatecamps where you are so fast and agile that you really can arrive, blow up something, suck dry the inty tackling you, move forward to something exit web range while in speed and here we go :) If something web you at 3,5km/s you just move out of the 10km for sure or nearly sure.
Arktaos Minmatar The Bratwurst Burglars	Posted - 2006.12.09 11:26:00 - [6] Inertial stabs got stacking penalty... 4 x siege II 4 x heavy dim nos Gist X-type 100mn mwd Domination warp disruptor heavy injector target painter II RCU II 2 x Domi nanofibers 3 x local hull inertia stabs BCU II Full snake and other speed implants in the head. WROOM! ---------------------------------
MOCC3	Posted - 2006.12.09 11:33:00 - [7] Originally by: Arktaos Inertial stabs got stacking penalty... 4 x siege II 4 x heavy dim nos Gist X-type 100mn mwd Domination warp disruptor heavy injector target painter II RCU II 2 x Domi nanofibers 3 x local hull inertia stabs BCU II Full snake and other speed implants in the head. WROOM! I kno they get stacked Penalty but i guess ill try that set up. I don't own a Gist MWD but the speed boost over 5 nano's is quite large. And the speed i posted was with out any implants or rigs. But i will pick and mix. and ill post what i get. Now i have not seen Domi Nano's and im kinda skurd to see how much they cost..lol but Arktaos thanks for the input ill give her a try. -Domi nano's
Skidius	Posted - 2006.12.12 05:18:00 - [8] I hate to bring it up, but how long do you guys think it'll take before they nerf this? You know how much the devs seem to hate giving Minnie ships any sort of edge...
Kanthras	Posted - 2006.12.12 06:54:00 - [9] Originally by: Skidius I hate to bring it up, but how long do you guys think it'll take before they nerf this? You know how much the devs seem to hate giving Minnie ships any sort of edge... It's not like Inertia Stabs are restricted to Minmatar ships
Idara Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.12 06:57:00 - [10] Currently my (updated) Nanophoon setup is as follows: 4x Arb Sieges, 4x Heavy Nos 1x Gist B-Type MWD, Scram, Injector, TD/SD/TP 1x RCU II, 3x Local Hull Nanofibers and 3x Local Hull I-stabs. Gives about 3500m/s with a 3% MWD speed implant and gang bonuses. It's damn fun. ---
TerrorWOLF J.H.E.N.R Pure.	Posted - 2006.12.12 07:17:00 - [11] Why call them stabs?? People allways thing first of WCS. Calling them iStab would be better May Your Death Be Slow And Painful
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2006.12.12 08:28:00 - [12] nice, and i just sold my phoon that seems really good. any variant for a pure gunnery guy who has no missile skills? ------ relaxed corp looking for members
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.12.12 08:37:00 - [13] Originally by: Liam Fremen Edited by: Liam Fremen on 09/12/2006 11:12:02 2 Variant: Siege One: 4x Siege Launcher 4x Heavy Nosferatu 1x Heavy Electrochemical Cap Booster + 800's charge 1x 100MN MWD T2/Faction/Named 1x 20km Warp Distruptor 1x Tracking Distruptor/Sensor Booster/Sensor Dampener/20km Distruptor 5x Inertial Stabilyzer (best you can afford to lose) 1x Balistic Control Unit T2 1x Reactor Control Unit T2 Cruise One: 4x Cruise Missle Launcher 4x Heavy Nosferatu 1x Heavy Electrochemical Cap Booster + 800's charge 1x 100MN MWD T2/Faction/Named 1x 20km Warp Distruptor 1x Tracking Distruptor/Sensor Booster/Sensor Dampener/20km Distruptor 7x Inertial Stabilyzer (best you can afford) I personaly prefer the 2nd variant, it makes lower damage but way more confortable in 1vs2-3-4 at gatecamps where you are so fast and agile that you really can arrive, blow up something, suck dry the inty tackling you, move forward to something exit web range while in speed and here we go :) If something web you at 3,5km/s you just move out of the 10km for sure or nearly sure. so do you outrun your torps then? I see interesting things there :)
Bendax Wildwing	Posted - 2006.12.12 08:45:00 - [14] Edited by: Bendax Wildwing on 12/12/2006 08:56:00 Edited by: Bendax Wildwing on 12/12/2006 08:55:27 Edited by: Bendax Wildwing on 12/12/2006 08:50:57 But what about a nanoraven or scorp ? Would this work just as well ? The key is a balanced combination aus 'stabs', MWD, launchers & noss, right ?
Akiman	Posted - 2006.12.12 09:39:00 - [15] NERF MİNMATAR!!!11111one
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm Eternal Rangers of Terror	Posted - 2006.12.12 10:36:00 - [16] Originally by: Bendax Wildwing But what about a nanoraven or scorp ? Would this work just as well ? The key is a balanced combination aus 'stabs', MWD, launchers & noss, right ? now everyone is gonna know! ohnoes its was the only matar state secret and you just gave it away /me looks over his shoulder nervously expecting a nanogeddon
Moadyb The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2006.12.12 10:40:00 - [17] Guys, could you all just SHUT UP!!! I don't want to see you all whining when this gets nerfed (remember the hurricane!) Its nice to run at high speeds, but its still a one-trick-pony with no tank, once you get webbed your screwed. Also, with MWD on and even with a tracking disruptor, Pulses + Neutron track well enough to hit and ruin your day, you end up running like a vaga, but its hardly enough to actually kill a good set up.
Hoshi DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.12 10:50:00 - [18] Originally by: Bendax Wildwing Edited by: Bendax Wildwing on 12/12/2006 08:56:00 Edited by: Bendax Wildwing on 12/12/2006 08:55:27 Edited by: Bendax Wildwing on 12/12/2006 08:50:57 But what about a nanoraven or scorp ? Would this work just as well ? The key is a balanced combination aus 'stabs', MWD, launchers & noss, right ? Might work but less base speed, higher base mass and less lowslots make it unlikely. One reason the phoon does this so well is the fact that it's the lightest, fastest bs from the start and it has 7 lows to boot. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations
Seishomaru	Posted - 2006.12.12 11:02:00 - [19] Originally by: Moadyb Guys, could you all just SHUT UP!!! I don't want to see you all whining when this gets nerfed (remember the hurricane!) Its nice to run at high speeds, but its still a one-trick-pony with no tank, once you get webbed your screwed. Also, with MWD on and even with a tracking disruptor, Pulses + Neutron track well enough to hit and ruin your day, you end up running like a vaga, but its hardly enough to actually kill a good set up. well when you are fighting several enemies speed tank is the only tank that simply does not care if enemy has more firepower.. as long as most of it is on battleships sized turrets.. you are free from it. So a small gang of Nanophoons can make real hit and run attack blowinga Hac or BB and go out fast...
Sherpondeldey	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:08:00 - [20] nanophoon is very skill intensive ship without high skills in missiles and t2 heavy drones one can't beat a tank of raven with medium-to-high skills. And when one runs out of 800battaries he has to run or stay and die in two-three volleys of 6 torpedo launchers
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:28:00 - [21] I have seen 5km/s phoons around ec lately... don't know the setup... but damn... you HAVE to use cruises against them
Vol Jbolaz Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.12.14 15:55:00 - [22] And I'm so hating that I lost my 'Phoon before I could play with configs like this. And I was trying to do a high-speed TorPhoon for months now.
Borasao	Posted - 2006.12.14 16:07:00 - [23] Sounds like something a thug Mr. T would say... IstabbaPhoon!
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2006.12.14 16:15:00 - [24] Edited by: Twilight Moon on 14/12/2006 16:15:53 Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 09/12/2006 09:52:07 So stabs now means Inertial Stabilizers, not WCS.... :) Update the dictionaries... Yeah, I saw the thread and had donned my asbestos suit, before I entered. Thread however completely failed to deliver. Scrapheap had this ages ago. (If you woke up breathing today, CONGRATULATIONS!, you get another chance!)
Vardemis Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.14 16:20:00 - [25] Originally by: TerrorWOLF Why call them stabs?? People allways thing first of WCS. Calling them iStab would be better Oh my, I see a new generation of shipnames: iPhoon, iRaven, iHurricane, ... , iPod. ;)
Harlequinn Caldari Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.15 21:08:00 - [26] Edited by: Harlequinn on 15/12/2006 21:24:41 Originally by: Arktaos Inertial stabs got stacking penalty... Doesn't the stacking penalty apply to any bonus that affects the same attribute, not just the stacking of the same item? Given that: Istab= +% to sig, -% to inertia, and -% to mass Nanostructure= + to speed, -% to inertia, -% structure hp Don't the inertia multipliers of the Istabs stack with those of the nanostructures? If so, since 4 of them are about the point where another gives significant diminishing returns that's about where the inertial bonus starts to run thin. Now the speed bonus from overdrives and nano's (or nanos alone) do not have a stacking penalty, so I'm thinking that a combination of nanos, istabs, and overdrives will be the winning combo if the inertia modifiers of both mods suffer from the stacking penalty. How about 2 istabs, 2 nanos, and an overdrive. The only drawback of using an overdrive is that you lose 15% caro room, but that's not so bad. --Victory needs no explanation, defeat allows none.--
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2006.12.15 22:38:00 - [27] I nominate "Nersh" for the slang reference to inertial stabs. Nershphoon Nershdomi ... -- Guile can always trump hardware --
Ka'kelam	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:29:00 - [28] Could someone explain this to me? iStabs havn't affected the speed of my phoon at all. It warps faster,it turns faster, but it dosn't move faster. The only thing giving it a speed boost in the low slots were either nanofibers or overdrive injectors. Am i doing something wrong here? Could someone please explain to me how exactly these iStabs are supposed to make the phoon go faster (i know, decrease mass), and why it's not happening to mine? With a 100mm mwd, 4 iStabs and 3 overdrive injectors i was only at 2555m/s. That speed didn't change if i took off the iStabs, it just took me longer to get to max speed.
Blind Man Kemono.	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:47:00 - [29] btw 5 nano's and 2 istabs is the fastest combo. UBER RAVEN SOLO PVP SETUPZ http://tinyurl.com/y75u6jUBER DRAKE
Areconus Caldari Cereal Killerz	Posted - 2006.12.17 23:28:00 - [30] Originally by: Vardemis Originally by: TerrorWOLF Why call them stabs?? People allways thing first of WCS. Calling them iStab would be better Oh my, I see a new generation of shipnames: iPhoon, iRaven, iHurricane, ... , iPod. ;) too bad you cant fit inerts on a pod, other wise itd warp before you clicked the warp button :))))

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