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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
In Articulo Mortis
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Posted - 2006.12.09 16:04:00 -
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Be wary of a new scam with contracts. When you enter minerals into an Item Exchange, it won't show the amount you're buying. Some unscrupulous players have taken advantage of this by entering say "Zydrine X 10000" into the item description, when there is actually only one unit of it, but you won't see that until the confirmation pop-up (thank GOD I hadn't checked "Don't show this again").
Be wary of Minor Min3r... scamming git.
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Serpensis
Gallente
UK Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.09 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: Serpensis on 09/12/2006 16:09:49
"Twarby" is another scammer.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=440754&page=1
Block the character, and/or set standings to -10, to remind yourself.
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Hellspawn01
Amarr
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2006.12.09 16:25:00 -
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IF this is true, then I would class it as exploit.
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Claudia Jefferson
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Posted - 2006.12.09 17:03:00 -
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This is true I have just tested it if you actually create a item exchange for lets say 10 zydrine the title of the item exchange become Zydrine x 10 and not just zydrine as it does when the seller is only selling one... so thay are abusing the description to make it apear as if they ar selling more than one zydrine... BEWARE
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.12.09 17:20:00 -
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Scams are not new, FFS please people, stop posting 304723589134 threads about mineral scamming.
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The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Flaming Lemming
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Posted - 2006.12.09 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Flaming Lemming on 09/12/2006 17:28:09
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Scams are not new, FFS please people, stop posting 304723589134 threads about mineral scamming.
What wrong with telling ppl how the scams are pulled under the new system? It might make them less successful.
Scams are not new, CONTRACT scams are new (since contracts are new and all)..it's good some ppl tell people what/who to watch out for.
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Dai007
Caldari
Crabbs
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Posted - 2006.12.09 17:42:00 -
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Jesus, when you open the contract it will tell you how much minerals are being offered. IF the description says Isogen 500,000, open it up and it says Isogen x 50, which is the real ammount.
Just because you idiots cannot read or are to stupid to read then thats your fault.
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freddy bloggs
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Posted - 2006.12.09 17:49:00 -
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Thanks for the heads up
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2006.12.09 17:52:00 -
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The trick with minerals is possible because when the seller is selling 100 units of Megacyte, at the bottom of the window it shows the picture for Megacyte and says Megacyte x 100. If the seller is selling only 1 Megacyte, at the bottom it only shows the picture for Megacyte, and does NOT say Megacyte x 1. Thus, confusion is possible.
You can see an example of the scam in Metropolis, set up by Sassy Lassy.
Doesn't it suck that we can just post their names like this on the forums? Heh heh.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.09 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Dai007
Jesus, when you open the contract it will tell you how much minerals are being offered. IF the description says Isogen 500,000, open it up and it says Isogen x 50, which is the real ammount.
Just because you idiots cannot read or are to stupid to read then thats your fault.
The trouble is, it doesn't say "Isogen x 50". I saw a screenshot earlier of a contract where the player-entered description was Zydrine x 30,000, but it didn't say anywhere else on the screenshot exactly how much you were buying. This is worrying, because if the true amount doesn't show until the conformation window, you're going to get careless one day and just click yes.
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Victor Vision
Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2006.12.09 17:56:00 -
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Edited by: Victor Vision on 09/12/2006 17:58:03
It would be a serious improvement to the contract system, if user entered info and contract system info were clearly labeled as such.
Using a different color for system created text and user entered text might be a good solution.
Also amounts should always be given by the system text. If it is one item in the contract then it should say 'Item' * 1.
And thanks for the info about the scams.
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
In Articulo Mortis
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Posted - 2006.12.09 18:35:00 -
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Lol... I can't believe I got flamed for warning people about a scam. 
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Frug
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.09 18:38:00 -
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Idiots will flame you for anything in forums, Desch.
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
In Articulo Mortis
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Posted - 2006.12.09 19:56:00 -
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Aye... I can see that. Still... wow!
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Cerwyn Taraman
Minmatar
Phoenix Tech Industries
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2006.12.09 19:59:00 -
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As others have pointed out, right-click on ANY contract and click "View Contract". It will then show you the actual contents of a contract. If you are buying expensive minerals like Zydrine without actually looking at the contract (just like looking at escrow contents in the old system) then, well, you are providing the scammers with easy income.
Thanks for warning people though, might bring attention to the fact that the new system is not "scamproof" and never will be.
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cl1che
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Posted - 2006.12.09 20:04:00 -
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Sadly 'View Contract' isn't a defence as it just states 'Zydrine' without indicating anywhere that you're only getting one unit. If there were eg two units it would state 'Zydrine x 2', but with one it leaves the number off altogether.
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
In Articulo Mortis
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Posted - 2006.12.09 20:05:00 -
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Viewing the contract does not provide protection in this case, as it only shows a picture of Zydrine, not how much you are buying.
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Teris Thul
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Posted - 2006.12.09 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: cl1che
Sadly 'View Contract' isn't a defence as it just states 'Zydrine' without indicating anywhere that you're only getting one unit. If there were eg two units it would state 'Zydrine x 2', but with one it leaves the number off altogether.
which should tip you off that something is wrong if it dosent have a little x(number)
scams work of peoples stupidity and lazyness.
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Deikan Frost
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.09 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: Deikan Frost on 09/12/2006 20:48:06
The problem is that the Contract Auctions or Item Exchange do not show the number of units of each item are in the "package".
Example of a fraudulent contract as it is now: Linkage
And now an example of what it should be to avoid this exploit: Linkage
In the mean time, just be smart and buy your minerals like this: Linkage
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Nullity
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.09 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Deikan Frost
Edited by: Deikan Frost on 09/12/2006 20:48:06
And now an example of what it should be to avoid this exploit: ]
How exactly is this an exploit? Just sounds like a scam to me.
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Dai007
Caldari
Crabbs
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Posted - 2006.12.09 21:29:00 -
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Edited by: Dai007 on 09/12/2006 21:29:54
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: Dai007
Jesus, when you open the contract it will tell you how much minerals are being offered. IF the description says Isogen 500,000, open it up and it says Isogen x 50, which is the real ammount.
Just because you idiots cannot read or are to stupid to read then thats your fault.
The trouble is, it doesn't say "Isogen x 50". I saw a screenshot earlier of a contract where the player-entered description was Zydrine x 30,000, but it didn't say anywhere else on the screenshot exactly how much you were buying. This is worrying, because if the true amount doesn't show until the conformation window, you're going to get careless one day and just click yes.
I upload a screenshot just or you...
http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/9568/blindfoolssn5.jpg
You will see that the ammount i am selling is 500 Units of Tritanium, but the description says Tritanium x 100,000. Do you see??
Dont buy minerals under item exchange. Only auction
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Nimie
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Posted - 2006.12.09 21:38:00 -
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i never got even close to being scammed by one of these, but the number of items doesn't show when you only have one item. considering that when people buy an item that comes in bulk, it must be true that somewhere on the contract it would say how many there are. when ccp hides the x1, people belive the xxx in the description is the number of items. this is why people get scammed though it only works on people unfamiliar with the contract system. also, if the auction makers doesn't leave a description and only have one item, no item numbers even appears on the page and that is pretty flawed.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2006.12.09 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: Jarjar on 09/12/2006 21:42:13
Delete me.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2006.12.09 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Dai007
I upload a screenshot just or you...
http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/9568/blindfoolssn5.jpg
You will see that the ammount i am selling is 500 Units of Tritanium, but the description says Tritanium x 100,000. Do you see??
Dont buy minerals under item exchange. Only auction
Try the same thing, but with ONE unit of the mineral in question. You'll notice that it doesn't say "Tritanium x 1", only "Tritanium", making it a lot easier to make mistakes.
(Oh, and no, I never buy minerals, and I haven't been scammed either, just pointing it out)
Edit: Beat to it.
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Dai007
Caldari
Crabbs
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Posted - 2006.12.09 21:47:00 -
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But.. if it just says Titanium then its only 1 unit. Simple enough.
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Nullity
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.09 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Dai007
But.. if it just says Titanium then its only 1 unit. Simple enough.
Exactly. It's not a exploit. The devs said before there would be new ways to scam people with contracts. This is one of those new ways.
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Doc Extropy
Gallente
Cradle of Freedom Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.09 21:48:00 -
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Edited by: Doc Extropy on 09/12/2006 21:49:48
Originally by: Hellspawn01
IF this is true, then I would class it as exploit.
From experience one can tell that CCP will most probably agree with that opinion (so do I). We had the same situation twice in the past few months - the german "Webifier" - exploit and the "BPO / BPC - escrow" - exploit.
Originally by: Fortior
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Nimie
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Posted - 2006.12.09 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Dai007
But.. if it just says Titanium then its only 1 unit. Simple enough.
actually, that is just an assumption. you have no real proof that there is only one item. the number of items could show somewhere else. obviously, that's where people get scammed.
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Nullity
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.09 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Doc Extropy
Originally by: Hellspawn01
IF this is true, then I would class it as exploit.
From experience one can tell that CCP agrees with that opinion (so do I). We had the same situation twice in the past few months - the german "Webifier" - exploit and the "BPO / BPC - escrow" - exploit.
That's nothing like this. With those two incidents there was no way to tell if you were being scammed, thus making it an exploit. With this ther is a way to tell if you're being scammed, a very simple way.
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Dai007
Caldari
Crabbs
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Posted - 2006.12.09 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Nimie
Originally by: Dai007
But.. if it just says Titanium then its only 1 unit. Simple enough.
actually, that is just an assumption. you have no real proof that there is only one item. the number of items could show somewhere else. obviously, that's where people get scammed.
Lol look at the screenshot i posted. Create an auction with 1 unit and with 5 units. It DOES show how many there are.
They do say interbreeding results in stupidity...
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