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Icycle
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Posted - 2015.08.19 14:14:19 -
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I think 4k m/s is very little. I mean the average frigate that I see that are used to catch entosis ships does about 7 or 8k m/s. They use a local booster tengu. It means entosis ships will be practically always get caught with this changes. Whatever happened to give it a chance or one should not be able to catch everything they see? I would request to give it more speed. Twise as slow is really slow imo. |
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Posted - 2015.08.19 14:47:43 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Icycle wrote:I think 4k m/s is very little. I mean the average frigate that I see that are used to catch entosis ships does about 7 or 8k m/s. They use a local booster tengu. It means entosis ships will be practically always get caught with this changes. Whatever happened to give it a chance or one should not be able to catch everything they see? I would request to give it more speed. Twise as slow is really slow imo. While I don't agree that these changes will cause that, that should be the case. The whole point of the entosis modules is it's supposed to show you have control of the grid. If you are firing the laser then "get caught" when trying to run away, you obviously don't have that. You should bring a sizable enough force to realistically contest sov. That's how conflict is driven.
There is nothing no where it says you have to have control of grid. Also you cant have control of grid if you are runing! lol Therefore you dont have control of grid
Conflict is not driven by force alone but also by will power! Conflict can be driven when outnumbered. All you got to do is strike fast when or where not expected. If thats not conflict, I dont know what is...
I am laughing cos this is the begining of the nerfs before it goes back to the same old story. I would love to see how thye are going to solve this blue donut cos thats whats killing this game and not sov or jump fatigue. Simply no one wants to fight super and titans in a blob plus tidi.
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Posted - 2015.08.19 15:03:19 -
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i would like to mention someting into record that has not been addressed in while. How is it ok to nerf entosis ships to do 4k m/s but its ok for pilot in a dramil or daredevil do 13k m/s? There is something really wrong there. And thats not the fastest speed! I got caught by one like this. I was doing just over 4k m/s...How is ok? |
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Posted - 2015.08.19 15:19:31 -
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Wolfensrevenge wrote:Icycle wrote:i would like to mention someting into record that has not been addressed in while. How is it ok to nerf entosis ships to do 4k m/s but its ok for pilot in a dramil or daredevil do 13k m/s? There is something really wrong there. And thats not the fastest speed! I agree I hate restristions but if your going to have risk something needs to be done if you lock the ship on grid that would fix the problem then a defender could start a counter entosis to stalemate locking the troll ship on grid in turn you or another ship could then have the option of running it down and killing it or waiting for reinforcements to come. The attacker cannot leave the grid until the node is captured one way or another and same for the defender its a fight and once you get in the ring your committed. Two ships enter 1 ship leaves. Not sure if its a troll or not...
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Posted - 2015.08.19 16:36:31 -
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ToXicPaIN wrote:4000m/s is still to fast ...
People are uselss if they cant catch a ceptor with max 4k m/s and that cant warp. If you cant do that, all I cant think is that you dont have mwd skills cos you should be able to do this easy even with a frigate or even a cruiser. You dont need a ceptor. And if you still can not do this, well I can only think something is wrong not with the game but with the pilot.... |
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Posted - 2015.08.19 17:12:39 -
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afkalt wrote:Have the newbros kill them: [Atron, newbro kill farming] Overdrive Injector System II Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste Damage Control II 5MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I, CN Antimatter Charge S Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I, CN Antimatter Charge S Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I, CN Antimatter Charge S [empty high slot] Small Auxiliary Thrusters I Small Auxiliary Thrusters I Small Auxiliary Thrusters I All Meta barring the OD (lol hull upgrades II) and the DC (lol hull upgrades IV). 4743/6781m/s with heat. Feed the newbros delicious kills
My point exactly. Heck you dont even need the tech 2 stuff. You can easelly do this with tech 1 only. |
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Posted - 2015.08.19 17:23:38 -
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Luckelly for us we dont have many blues and completelly surrounded by reds. We got more targets than we can shoot. Maybe thats the secret to play the game and quit whining why no one will engage you? Reset standing, get thousands of targets and get into a ship. Its your fault, not CCP. Nobody wants blobs or TIDI. It destroys the game. In the old days this game had so much to offer cos there was no blue donut. Now its all about who has the largest coalition. Its perversed and I hope CCP mans up about it some day really destroys this blue blobs that has done nothing for the game but drive it to the ground |
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Posted - 2015.08.19 17:49:16 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Icycle wrote:*yammer yammer* Hush. I doubt even CCP fails to see past your self interested tripe. You're not going to convince anyone in the thread that didn't already agree with you, either.
it was not about agreement, it was about fit. I was busy to make a fit. I tend to backup my statement instead of just spew something. |
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Posted - 2015.08.19 18:11:50 -
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bigbillthaboss3 wrote:Icycle wrote: ~irrelevent hurf blurf~ Does MOA own sov? No. Does MOA plan on owning sov? No. Does MOA have any interest in sov mechanics? No. Is this thread about sov? Yes. Why are you guys even in here, much less commenting? If you want ~gud fights~ you don't even need to attack our sov, just bring something other than blops bridges and interceptors.
lol http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Mordus_Angels
I dont have to say more. |
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Posted - 2015.08.19 18:20:59 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Does moa actually rat and mine in the systems they take
Do they even rat or mine in 5z, I thought they made money in highsec whenever 5z gets camped
no, instead we go to your home system and kill all your ratters and laugh at you while you are camping 5z thats full of alts. It is no secret that we actually kill more CFC when we are hell camped than when we are not Same as its no secret that we kill at least twise as more CFC than you do us It is also no secret that CFC has had many ops to get rid off MOA and all failed on its head |
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Posted - 2015.08.19 18:30:43 -
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Gella Delon wrote:Icycle wrote:bigbillthaboss3 wrote:Icycle wrote: ~irrelevent hurf blurf~ Does MOA own sov? No. Does MOA plan on owning sov? No. Does MOA have any interest in sov mechanics? No. Is this thread about sov? Yes. Why are you guys even in here, much less commenting? If you want ~gud fights~ you don't even need to attack our sov, just bring something other than blops bridges and interceptors. lol http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Mordus_Angels I dont have to say more. You have no ihubs you idiot, TCU's are worthless in the current system. I am not doing your job for you! I dont need no facilitate your structure grinding. |
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Posted - 2015.08.19 18:33:10 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Gella Delon wrote:Icycle wrote:bigbillthaboss3 wrote:Icycle wrote: ~irrelevent hurf blurf~ Does MOA own sov? No. Does MOA plan on owning sov? No. Does MOA have any interest in sov mechanics? No. Is this thread about sov? Yes. Why are you guys even in here, much less commenting? If you want ~gud fights~ you don't even need to attack our sov, just bring something other than blops bridges and interceptors. lol http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Mordus_Angels I dont have to say more. You have no ihubs you idiot, TCU's are worthless in the current system. They get a name on there so their overlord can claim they are winning. They'll be CONDI soon enough, even moa themselves know they don't stand a chance of holding them.
Actually we do it cos we can mostly but also to anoy CFC. Its a distraction and when we dont get blobed we do have fun |
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Posted - 2015.08.19 18:37:35 -
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bigbillthaboss3 wrote:Icycle wrote:Actually we do it cos we can mostly but also to anoy CFC. Its a distraction and when we dont get blobed we do have fun And we finally arrive to the issue at hand, sov trolling. Thank you for ironically agreeing with the mass opinion.
well we will try and take the space in PB if possible, althought its not our primary goal. Its not a secret. I mean if you cant figger that out by yourself... I strongly disagree with holding onto unused space. Thats what drives me personally to entos the systems. I dont think you should hold on on systems out of spite. I have said this over and over before. Its nothing new. Specially when you dont live in it. |
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Posted - 2015.08.19 18:43:02 -
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Gella Delon wrote:Icycle wrote:bigbillthaboss3 wrote:Icycle wrote:Actually we do it cos we can mostly but also to anoy CFC. Its a distraction and when we dont get blobed we do have fun And we finally arrive to the issue at hand, sov trolling. Thank you for ironically agreeing with the mass opinion. well we will try and take the space in PB if possible, althought its not our primary goal. Its not a secret. I mean if you cant figger that out by yourself... I strongly disagree with holding onto unused space. Thats what drives me personally to entos the systems. I dont think you should hold on on systems out of spite. I have said this over and over before. Its nothing new. Specially when you dont live in it. You entosis a system because you are told too, you are no different than an F1 fleet monkey.
lol. Ask anyone in MOA. Everybody knows that I am for it. I actually like doing it but I wont spend the whole night at it. Not cos I am told to but mostly cos I concider wrong when you hold on to a system you dont live. Thats what drives me. That and that I dont like the CFC policies. I mean who does not like killing CFC? I know I do. Otherwise I would have joined another alliance |
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Posted - 2015.08.19 18:45:59 -
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bigbillthaboss3 wrote:MASSADEATH wrote:Reagalan wrote:Won't do jack **** to a system that is fundamentally and critically flawed and unsalvageable.
Until you get off of this "small gang" and "local conflict" soapbox the decline of Eve will continue. We didn't sign up for small gang impermanent bullshit and we detest your attempts to force this playstyle upon us. More goon BLOB ... just as we start actually taking CFC systems... we have 3 under control now Y-C3EQ 7RM-N0 GA-P6C the biggest advantage we have SPEED is taken away.... so they can just roll BLOBS onto the grid. BLOB BLOB BLOB.... back to n+1 fighting Instead of MOA whining ...we are going to ADAPT (like the big blocs should do) and try our best. IMO however this is a mistake , only a few weeks of this system has been in place and its already being changed to suit the power bloc whiners. Do you guys seriously think we can't just fit a bunch of trollceptors ourselves and do the same? Just imagine our ~blobs~, except instead of feroxes or domis (or whatever the flavor of the month is) it's trollceptors. We could literally form one single fleet and take an entire region in a day, much less these three systems. In order to effectively illustrate how this is broken, I guess it needs to happen.
Do you seriosuly think we will be chasing a 50K alliance? You know what, we might do it for the laugh. After we do kill a LOT of CFC..
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Posted - 2015.08.19 18:50:14 -
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Gella Delon wrote:Icycle wrote:Ask anyone in MOA. Everybody knows that I am for it. I actually like doing it but I wont spend the whole night at it. Not cos I am told to but mostly cos I concider wrong when you hold on to a system you dont live. Thats what drives me. That and that I dont like the CFC policies. I mean who does not like killing CFC? I know I do. Otherwise I would have joined another alliance You're not good enough to get in any other alliance, thats why you joined Mordus Angels. They take bad players and F1 monkeys like you as long as they drink the koolaid.
These days you can get to almost any alliance. In the old days it was more strict. I dont know what koolaid is...I drink water or juice. Is there anything else you want to know about me? |
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Posted - 2015.08.19 18:52:09 -
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Querns wrote:Icycle wrote:That and that I dont like the CFC policies What, like the policy where alliances in the Imperium are expected to participate in mutual defense? You know, the thing that MOA failed to do even in a token fashion, leading to their removal from the coalition.
Look the manifesto. We do our own thing. We dont like to be told what to do. I would say we got a problem with authority or been someones b*tch.
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Posted - 2015.08.19 18:53:40 -
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Alp Khan wrote:Icycle wrote:Gella Delon wrote:Icycle wrote:Ask anyone in MOA. Everybody knows that I am for it. I actually like doing it but I wont spend the whole night at it. Not cos I am told to but mostly cos I concider wrong when you hold on to a system you dont live. Thats what drives me. That and that I dont like the CFC policies. I mean who does not like killing CFC? I know I do. Otherwise I would have joined another alliance You're not good enough to get in any other alliance, thats why you joined Mordus Angels. They take bad players and F1 monkeys like you as long as they drink the koolaid. These days you can get to almost any alliance. In the old days it was more strict. I dont know what koolaid is...I drink water or juice. Is there anything else you want to know about me? I'd recommend drinking whatever it is that can aid in mental development, which would finally make it possible for MoA posters to spell words out correctly in anything they type. How come you guys all manage to fail in spelling and grammar despite spellcheck virtually being built in with every modern web browser out there?
I type. I dont run spell checker. Not a grammar nazi. Besides english is not my first language. |
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Posted - 2015.08.19 18:56:18 -
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Tallardar wrote:Icycle wrote:I concider wrong when you hold on to a system you dont live. According to the data, CFC live in the systems you seem to think they aren't inhabiting.
No they dont. They moved a few miners in and are activelly trying to raise the system level to make it harder to entosis. |
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Posted - 2015.08.19 18:59:11 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Icycle wrote:Querns wrote:Icycle wrote:That and that I dont like the CFC policies What, like the policy where alliances in the Imperium are expected to participate in mutual defense? You know, the thing that MOA failed to do even in a token fashion, leading to their removal from the coalition. Look the manifesto. We do our own thing. We dont like to be told what to do. I would say we got a problem with authority or been someones b*tch. And yet, you work for Gevlon Goblin not just willingly, but wholeheartedly. Sounds like you're someone's ***** to me.
lol. I never met the guy. Never even spoke to him. To me its nothing to do with Gevlon. I do like watching his web site from time to time thoguht cos he is good with stats. Kinda offers something the rest of eve does not. Also I love to see all the hate posts he get. I find it funny. |
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Posted - 2015.08.19 19:02:26 -
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Tallardar wrote:Icycle wrote:Tallardar wrote:Icycle wrote:I concider wrong when you hold on to a system you dont live. According to the data, CFC live in the systems you seem to think they aren't inhabiting. No they dont. They moved a few miners in and are activelly trying to raise the system level to make it harder to entosis. That's exactly the point of the sov system. CFC are using those systems, which is what I said. Thanks for agreeing.
I am not waisting my time raising the system. I like more to pvp or talking rather than ratting. I am ok with been poor. I dont think you need to be rich to have fun in this game. Thats my personal view. You can waist all your time if you want, I will not, except to cause pain. I like to be more offensive than defensive. |
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Posted - 2015.08.19 19:04:31 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Icycle wrote:[quote=Querns]Look the manifesto. We do our own thing. We dont like to be told what to do. I would say we got a problem with authority or been someones b*tch. Lol? Yet you do whatever gen eve and gevlon tell you to do.
Ask anyone or maybe you can listen in with your spies on TS. I actually do like this. |
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Posted - 2015.08.19 19:09:08 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Icycle wrote:To me its nothing to do with Gevlon. Cool. You're still his *****, at least he certainly seems to think so(as do your leadership, who is more than happy to do his bidding), which puts the lie to your anti authority rant a while ago.
Nope. You are wrong. The other day there was an entosis fleet and I joined, then there was a second one. Instead I joined other guys to do pvp. I pick and chose to what I am in the mood for. |
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Posted - 2015.08.19 19:16:07 -
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Tallardar wrote: So you have no interest in the sov or holding it, and are more so interested in the "trolling" you claim you aren't interested in but don't want to do the work to own a system or defend it. Gotcha. Thanks for proving Goons right all along.
You are just twisting words to your benefit. Reepating again.... 1-I do not like CFC. 2-I do not approve of holding of sov when you dont live in it by any alliance. 3-I like killing CFC. 4-I like entosing 5-I select what I am in the mood to do. 6- I will take sov if I take everything if I can. Sov is not the only thing I would claim if i could. 7-I will do anything(within the law cos we got to be civilized ) that hurts, anoys my enemy. |
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Posted - 2015.08.19 19:19:30 -
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Gella Delon wrote:Icycle wrote:I pick and chose to what I am in the mood for. Haha what, were you in the mood for shooting that pos in interceptors i see on your killboard?
That one I must admit. I thoguht it was going to be a fast thing. Initially it was reported it was 3 poses that were offlined. Then more and lucky for us CFC came to defend it, which made it really fun when trying to kill more pos modules while been bloped by CFC. CFC guys actualy made it fun. I forgot to thank you for it! |
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Posted - 2015.08.19 19:22:40 -
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bigbillthaboss3 wrote:Icycle wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Icycle wrote:To me its nothing to do with Gevlon. Cool. You're still his *****, at least he certainly seems to think so(as do your leadership, who is more than happy to do his bidding), which puts the lie to your anti authority rant a while ago. Nope. You are wrong. The other day there was an entosis fleet and I joined, then there was a second one. Instead I joined other guys to do pvp. I pick and chose to what I am in the mood for. So instead of doing a single thing your were told to do, you had the choice of choosing from two things you were told to do? No matter how many different way or different things you are told to do, you are still doing something you were told to do.
lol. Is this a troll? No I had other choices like hunt the renters or do covert ops. And even more. |
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Posted - 2015.08.19 19:36:15 -
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Ted McManfist wrote:Icycle wrote:Gella Delon wrote:Haha what, were you in the mood for shooting that pos in interceptors i see on your killboard?
That one I must admit. I thoguht it was going to be a fast thing. Initially it was reported it was 3 poses that were offlined. Then more and lucky for us CFC came to defend it, which made it really fun when trying to kill more pos modules while been bloped by CFC. CFC guys actualy made it fun. I forgot to thank you for it! Better "elite PvP" those offline POS mods! If your ISK efficiency isn't high enough, Genny and Uncle Goobles will be super angry! Fozziesov: So boring, I'd rather shoot an offline POS. Working as intended!
I am sure thats what you would like to belive. Frantically if i did not like the guy I would have left. Gevlon as I said I dont know him and frantically I dont care much what he thinks since I never met the guy. I do care though about killing more and more and more CFC. If your spies have access to our thread, you can see it there. I forgot to mention this, but when we did it I was looking for moon goo and nother thing that kept me laughing is the poor bastard that will have to go and spend all the time anchoring all the modules cos he did not bother with fuel. Thank you for reminding me that too. |
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Posted - 2015.08.19 19:43:02 -
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Gella Delon wrote: anything to hurt and annoy your enemy. Which makes you no different than anyone else is 0.0, just a little less brave and more cowardly because you never leave your npc staging (for 8 years) and stick to the low hanging fruit: renters and ratters. Its like handicap-accessible pvp.
I personally feel sorry for renters. They are stupid enough to give you money instead of taking it or at least give you a kick in the teeth for it. I take no pride in going after renters but when you allie with an enemy, you become part of the problem and become the enemy. I dont have to leave here cos I got 50k people to kill! Why would I leave Pure Blind, Deklein or Branch. We got so much targets, that we actually are not efficient enough to kill them. We got more targets than we got people to do the killing. This is what i call a rich target area! |
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Posted - 2015.08.19 19:52:22 -
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Ted McManfist wrote:Icycle wrote:I forgot to mention this, but when we did it I was looking for moon goo and nother thing that kept me laughing is the poor bastard that will have to go and spend all the time anchoring all the modules cos he did not bother with fuel. Thank you for reminding me that too. Like Genny would have let you keep any of it. I can't count how many times I've heard "Contract all loot to Gen" as you were running away from Dek Defense
by that he means faction loot. There has been cases if you catch a freighter or a JF he will tell you keep it all. I think thats very fair. Again as I said. I am not rich. I make suffient isk to get into a ship and blow stuff up. I do not care about isk. |
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Posted - 2015.08.19 20:00:37 -
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Capitaltini wrote:Icycle wrote:Ted McManfist wrote:Icycle wrote:I forgot to mention this, but when we did it I was looking for moon goo and nother thing that kept me laughing is the poor bastard that will have to go and spend all the time anchoring all the modules cos he did not bother with fuel. Thank you for reminding me that too. Like Genny would have let you keep any of it. I can't count how many times I've heard "Contract all loot to Gen" as you were running away from Dek Defense by that he means faction loot. There has been cases if you catch a freighter or a JF he will tell you keep it all. I think thats very fair. Again as I said. I am not rich. I make suffient isk to get into a ship and blow stuff up. I do not care about isk. I wondered where the isk for that revenant came from, that explains it all. I didnt know you were slaves
That rev was owner by a CFC guy. There was some dispute about who really owner it in the CFC. So they decided to blow it up but they did not wanted it in their killboard and thought if they join MOA it will look better. The same character rejoined CFC the day after.
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Posted - 2015.08.19 20:06:39 -
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Arrendis wrote:Icycle wrote:That rev was owner by a CFC guy. There was some dispute about who really owner it in the CFC. So they decided to blow it up but they did not wanted it in their killboard and thought if they join MOA it will look better. The same character rejoined CFC the day after. Had nothing to do with our killboards. We just thought it'd look funnier on yours. like i care... |
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Posted - 2015.08.19 20:19:48 -
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bigbillthaboss3 wrote:Hey Fozzie, I got an idea (to get back on topic) -
Since you guys are all hyped up about these new 'ship skins' and what not, make skins a blue print. Once you purchase the blueprint, you have to manufacture it. Now you have to introduce a new resource into the game - throw it in nullsec and TA DA! you just created new rewarding content for sov. You could even make certain style/category skins regionally exclusive.
Also, I am a firm believe that Entosis links should work like a cyno, siege, triage etc. and restrain all movement but allow reps, all modules, you can even let your interceptors fit them.
I believe there is something similar. Its not a blueprint but it is an item you can carry in the cargohold....So I am not sure whats the point of it unless you want it to get a BPO and make isk out of coping blue prints....
I personally think its a bit too expensive for a cyno ship Besides you should not be able to kill everything you just happen to gaze at. The target should be able to escape. Althought I think hardly this will be the case now unless a pilot is a complete moron. You should be able to do it now with a t1 frigate easelly.
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Posted - 2015.08.20 09:34:16 -
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afkalt wrote:Wolfensrevenge wrote:Icycle wrote:afkalt wrote:Have the newbros kill them: [Atron, newbro kill farming] Overdrive Injector System II Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste Damage Control II 5MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I, CN Antimatter Charge S Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I, CN Antimatter Charge S Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I, CN Antimatter Charge S [empty high slot] Small Auxiliary Thrusters I Small Auxiliary Thrusters I Small Auxiliary Thrusters I All Meta barring the OD (lol hull upgrades II) and the DC (lol hull upgrades IV). 4743/6781m/s with heat. Feed the newbros delicious kills My point exactly. Heck you dont even need the tech 2 stuff. You can easelly do this with tech 1 only. You guys have never played eve? Your not going to catch a ceptor with a 250 Km headstart going 750ms faster......Get your head out of jita 4-4 4kms interceptor which can't warp and needs to be with 25km of the structure. It'll be 145km off the object when you land, assuming a 30s warp time. So you heat the MWD, you'll close the cap to scram range in 50-51 seconds (145/2.781km/s = ~52.1). The interceptor is now 350km off the structure, which is near breaking grid, but you'd pop right after it but frankly it's more likely the grid would just extend. Not much margin of error, but then, that's a meta Atron....a faster ship would rip into it even quicker. Hell I'm sure you could use a condor so you'll only need to get to LML range because it's self tackled. And that's worst case "no-one in system when ping goes out". If you're in system it'll be easier again to catch.
30 seconds is a loooooong warp =). Maybe x-70 has this but that one of very few systems. The average is probably about 15 secs. But lets use worst case scenario JUST to make you happy.
"So you heat the MWD, you'll close the cap to scram range in 50-51 seconds (145/2.781km/s = ~52.1). The interceptor is now 350km off the structure," But how close are you know in your frigate/ceptor by the time target is 350km from structure? The answer is you are equal 145km from it. Correct? Your distance will only decrease now. So now you fly 52 sec and now you already caught it. The distance from struture is meaning less. Your fleet is within an easy warp range. More than perfectly double even when you select a noob ship and select ridiculous initial warp ranges. |
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Speedkermit Damo wrote: I'm getting plenty of fights in my alliance thanks. And I'm not the one complaining about a lack of content or fights. I was referring to the posters who are complaining about having no-one to shoot while surrounded by blues.
Agree. Reset standing of your neighbour or at least deploy to an enemy space and put up a POS. But if you dont do anything, well dont be suprised nothing happens....The fault is with your alliance that decided to blue all your area and not CCP! Take an example from us. We got very few allies and a very rich target environment 50000 to kill |
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Alp Khan wrote:Icycle wrote:Speedkermit Damo wrote: I'm getting plenty of fights in my alliance thanks. And I'm not the one complaining about a lack of content or fights. I was referring to the posters who are complaining about having no-one to shoot while surrounded by blues.
Agree. Reset standing of your neighbour or at least deploy to an enemy space and put up a POS. But if you dont do anything, well dont be suprised nothing happens....The fault is with your alliance that decided to blue all your area and not CCP! Take an example from us. We got very few allies and a very rich target environment 50000 to kill . I have never been so happy! I don't see anyone proposing "Mordus Angels members need to develop further brain cells" as a solution against the deficiencies of Fozzie Sov, therefore, you will not find many people that take your ridiculous suggestions such as "unblue your allies" or "undock your alts and shoot them with your main" and such seriously.
It was said we wont b*tch about it an we will adapt. It says alot more than CFC tears have I am not sure of the context you are usingf deficiency. But what CCP said, this will give a bit more advantages to the attacker than the defender which is a step in the right direction I think. So far it does what it says. I am not going to care if you dont like it cos you dont care that I like it It is true CCP did not supply in game tools and we have to use external ones. That needs fixing. The lack of content its not a new thing. It has been happening for years. Several years back you guys reseted temporarelly to create content cos too many blues. Its not the first time it has happened. Again, its YOUR and YOUR Alliance fault, not CCP. You create content, not CCP! |
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Lucas Kell wrote:Icycle wrote:It was said we wont b*tch about it an we will adapt. It says alot more than CFC tears have You've spent years bitching about it. The reason you're not bitching (about the mechanics at least) now isn't because you've adapted, it's because the changes support your playstyle because you don't want sov, you just want to troll. From a perspective of fighting over the ownership of space, the mechanics are terrible which is almost unanimously agreed by people interested in holding sov.
I have b*tched about blue donut. Big deal! I think everybody knows that this is what killing the game and not every other lame excuse you come up with. Simple, reset or redeploy, but dont sit your and just whine about it. We have adapted over time. Let see you adapting over the time for a change |
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Lucas Kell wrote:Icycle wrote:I have b*tched about blue donut. Big deal! I think everybody knows that this is what killing the game and not every other lame excuse you come up with. Simple, reset or redeploy, but dont sit your and just whine about it. We have adapted over time. Let see you adapting over the time for a change For you the mecanics is terrible. For me this is better than we had before by a long stretch. Prove that it's killing the game. The only people that believe that are your "grr goons" type who are typically butthurt over being rejected by the larger coalitions. Large groups with large fleets aren't just good for the game, they are what makes EVE stand out from the rest. An no, we don;t need to reset or redeploy. We can simply continue to sit in our big groups being untouchable by groups like you. The new sov mechanics have made the game more boring, but not more difficult.
If you got to be proven that fact specially when everybody says null is boring....I wont say anymore not to offend...
Good for you! Dont do anything. Dont reset or redeploy. Stay at home whining about why you cant kill stuff. More targets I have to shoot. See if I care. In the end its your loss not mine. I got more than enough targets to shoot. |
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gascanu wrote:question for all those ppl teaching the rest of us how to catch trollceptors: what happens when a trollceptor orbiting a structure at 24.5 km move let's say 20km away and breaks his locking range? can he warp away or not?
if he was entosing, he cant warp away. All it can do is burn away until cycle finishes. The cycles are very long So all you have to do is have a faster ship. Example I got caught by a ship was doing 7000m/s and by another doing 13000m/s in another day |
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Icycle wrote:We have adapted over time. Not from what I can see. Biting ankles and talking unjustified amounts of smack has not changed in any way so as to require adaptation.
I dont see any smack talk here. At least not from my side...It maybe sound like smack to you defenetly not me. So there is a change to entosis ships among others. Its far from ideal from what it was before but we will adapt. We can still work under these changes. We will adapt. Like to see you try that for a change. |
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Lucas Kell wrote:Icycle wrote:If you got to be prooven that fact specially when everybody says null is boring....I wont say anymore not to offend... It's boring now, with the new mechanics. That tells me that the new mechanics are what are killing the game, not that we are blue. Coalitions have existed for a long time and the population has gone up. Now that coalitions are being aggressively attacked though mechanics changes the population is going down. You can't prove that coalitions are bad for the game because they aren't. Icycle wrote:Good for you! Dont do anything. Dont reset or redeploy. Stay at home whining about why you cant kill stuff. More targets I have to shoot. See if I care. In the end its your loss not mine. I got more than enough targets to shoot. We're not whining about why we can't kill stuff. As we always have, we can roam around and find fight just like you do. What we are doing here is pointing out that the mechanics will increase the level of stagnation in null because they are badly thought out. People like you are happy to see the game lose subscribers as long as it benefits you.
The new mechanics killing the game? So after DRF seized to exist and a blue blob formed in the north and a series of blue blobs in the south, the game subscription began to take a tomble. There was some events that did not really measured up to their hipe and some disapointments began. There was very few actual good events. Before 2013, eve is full of series of great events. In 2013 the game so famous chart of user subscription that people keep showing on an on, it shows a steady decrease for ages of pilots. I am a been playing this game forever. So it shows a steadelly decreasing since before Sep 2013. It not this sov. So thats debunked! No more lies plz. This is put to rest!
You cant fight fight cos there is no one to shoot. How many times i got to say this? You got too many blues! Its your fault not CCP! The level of stagnation is defined by level acitivty. If players like you are so bent on staying and set everyone to blue well what do you get? I mean seriously what you expect? Another DRF? Maybe who knows but you still got old DRF members blue or friendly. So i dont see how this is going to happen....Agin your fault, just in case you miss that too! I am not happy to lose game subscription even thought I was one of the people shooting Jita monument in the riot. Thats one reason I want people to reset to go back to the old chaotic eve, that was much more fun. These were the days when there was not so much blues. |
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Lucas Kell wrote: They aren't the only reason for the drop in population, but they are certainly a contributing factor to the recent dip. Go ahead and pull out the stats and there's a clear drop at each stage of this sov release.
And if you've been around for a long time, you should know that a major selling point of EVE has always been the massive fleet battles. Those are almost dead now and will be further reduced if these mechanics continue to be rolled out.
While there was a significant increase of user during the dominion and DRF invasion, it was followed by a quick downfall. The battle aint all. ISK drives it too big time. During Dominion it was really easy to make much more isk due to bugs and the trend at that time that everyone wanted to move to null. There was no system that did not have a carrrier. Everyone was ratting like crazy. High sec numbers went really down and high sec war deckers whined and CCP fixed the bugs and then nerfed it. Number began to take a tumble again. Now CCP made it really easy to make even more isk wit hthe buff to systems. There are so many anomolies I cant eevn count them!
The most significant change is without a doubt is that there is not enough action in eve. In the last few years the same sov did jack for numbers even with B-R5RB event. Its not sov. Its people opting out of pvp and unsubscribing alts. If I was in the CFC, I would probably unsubsribe too my alts. There is so much safety in numbers that makes no sence to have alts. Besides you are not getting the fights.
Lucas Kell wrote: It will not happen. If CCP aren't putting in reasons for us to fight, we're not going to do it. That's like asking a shopkeeper to stop selling his best selling products just for a challenge. It makes no sense. If null stagnates further it's all on CCP. If they can't design a game that drives conflict then their game will die. It's really that simple.
NCDot and DRF did not have a reason to fight besides beef over past eve events. Not CCP, but eve players. B-R5RB was pritty much an accident from a bad decision from N3. They ignored the first rule in eve when capitals. Load grid first or suicide. War between the russians that just ended, also a beef over events in the past. Goons causing the destruction of BOB, also a beef event. The destruction of Atlas also a beef. The destruction of PL in fountain also over beef. The destruction of Goons by IT Alliance also a beef. The invasion of Goons into Esoteria and subsecuent dispatched of Goons back home was also over a beef in a thread. The first war between Goons and BOB also over a beef. CCP DOES NOT PUT THE REASON TO FIGHT. PLAYERS DRAMA DOES IT ALL THE TIME!!!!!! I cant believe your character is so old and you havent noticed this already? |
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bigbillthaboss3 wrote:The issue isn't all of FozzieSov, a majority of us like the concept. It needs work, however.
Zipping around at 4 km/s, in an interceptor, and clicking a button should not in any way give you ownership in null sec sovereignty. Sovereignty should be fought over and influence a push of assets by group A versus current sov citizens group B. If an entity wants to take space, they need to dedicate themselves to it, not send a lone interceptor with the belief "If you don't get it now, just go back and try again in a little bit. They will eventually get tired of responding."
Another issue is there needs to be some form of shooting something, but I believe that will be addressed with the citadels patch.
I am willing to bet once people start entosis'ing things in ships cruiser size and up you will see some fights start developing.
Also please ignore the MoA trolling (and obvious alts), they use to be in CFC and are just mad at us for kicking them from the pack. Try and stay on topic.
lol, how nice..a personal attack. What else you are going to call me next? It makes me feel warm in the inside.
Do you know that we also do cruiser entosis? Or have you missed it?
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Lucas Kell wrote: Sov didn't do much, but news articles of epic battles with $300,000 in damages did and those battles occurred because of committed assets in null. Those types of battles will no longer occur under the current system since people no longer need to commit assets to take sov.
So you have acknowledged that B-R5RB was an event that was by a mistake of an FC and also by the alliance not paying sov. Before that, all the battles were reasonable and the difference was not as high. Large battles have been happened in eve for years. The difference is that before there was a lot less blues and a lot more drama. Not there is a lot more blue and a lot less drama.
Its very simple! LESS Blues, more DRAMA, more FIGHTS! MORE Blues, less DRAMA, less FIGHTS!
What drives eve is not CCP its PLAYER DRAMA. Thats the really explosive combustion!! PLAYER DRAMA. The reality is that everyone is happy so stay at home and make isk and not engage in big fights. At MOA we are trying to change that We are trying to make you lose territory and brake up with gobly blob of blues thats hurting the game so much.
Icycle wrote: They may not have had a reason to start the fight, but the mechanics are why the fight escalated. Fights will invariably be because group A can't deal peacefully with group B and often because of resources (see the entire fountain war), but thanks to the new mechanics, when that happens no big battle occurs. We have people now citing 60b in losses as an epic scale battle. That's horrendous to be quite honest.
In a convensional world how do you fight a number thats over 50 times larger than you? You have to change the way you think and you got to provide tools to do it that are not present in the game, its the only way. The other way is another DRF. But with so many blues I doubt it will happen. Its the blue donut that is the desease and all the shady agreements that I wont fight you if you dont fight me...Or we will only kill ships, no structure shooting etc. Its all the bs that this blue donut brought. I guarantee you if the gloves are for for real and its all in, you will look at your neighbour and say hmm, nice moon goo, i will take it.
The only feasible other way I think to really destroy the blob will be moon goo respawning in different regions of eve. This will signal the end of blues but you will be living like a nomad in null chasing the goo. That maybe too drastic ...I cant seriously see anyone fighting for anything if they got no chance of wining it specially with so many blobs. They will all have the same idea instead that you mentioned above. I will sti at home and make isk. |
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Warmeister wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Troll status confirmed. The only reason to being an evasion fit interceptor is to evade. All of this horseshit about it being against defenders who don't show up is ridiculous.
The point is that undefended sov should be easy to take. When a defender shows up though then conflict should be driven. Interceptors mean that players can assault sov with no intention of fighting and no intention of taking sov. It's dumb. i'm not trolling i just figured that i'm entitled to respond to stupid ideas with another stupid idea. the thing you said about 'conflict should be driven' is whole load of crap. there are plenty of other ships that have been used prior to fozzisov that could evade capture. there are plenty examples where fleets decide not to engage and just run from the attacker. why don't we just ask CCP to equalise the speed of all ships and disable warp drives of everyone in the system for 5 minutes once someone new enters. how's that for a conflict driver?
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Lucas Kell wrote: No, larger battles occured because of the need to commit.
You only comit if its worth to comit or if its fun. Otherwise you stay at home making isk, which is what you do. You said it above already. I dont care about isk. Nobody is going to comit to a big fight knowing you are outblobbing them and they stand a chance to lose it all unless you are looking for fun. Right now there is nobody near to CFC to do this. I doubt there is anyone in game even. CFC has becomes its true enemy.
Lucas Kell wrote: Stop being special. That's not how it works. At some point a group will always rise to the top and others will work together to bring them down. That's the great social aspect of the game. What you want is to make it so that one person is able to cause as much damage as a whole alliance because you're terrible at collaboration. I think you are the one that think you are special and your holly empire of renting or isk making should not be touched...
who are you to tell me what should work how? In fact who are you to tell eve what? I do what I want to do. I am not going to play by your strenght but by mine!
Lucas Kell wrote: Well you're failing, especially since you're supporting changes that make it EASIER for us to stay at home and not engage in big fights.
You form up every day the anti entosis fleets to chase us down. We have captured serveral system. You got to blob us every night cos we fail so much. We have failed
Lucas Kell wrote: Ask BL, they did a pretty good job of causing significant damage. You harp on about your killboard, but BL did more damage to the Imperium in a single fight than you guys have done in the history of your existence. You guys think too small and that's why you can;t see how damaging these changes are to your cause. I guarantee once the dust settles you'll suddenly realise how easy it is for us to res on our laurels.
Yeah and no. BL has not been able to do much besides every time it does you pay them off to go away. I agree that MOA need to ramp up their numbers and think bigger. If you look at our forums, you will see I have not been shy about it in any way! I am one of the voices that says this all the time. You can ask Massa or Gen, I am sure they are tired of hearing it
But you got to also admit, that its is not sufficient. If it was that simple BL would already own half your space! So there is something more here that stops even entities like BL to take over your space.
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Qui Binder wrote:Kystraz wrote: So they became CSM members without being voted in by large numbers of players who agree with their viewpoints?
Is that what you're trying to say?
They had large numbers of players who voted for them, that is true. It's a huge leap from there to say that they agreed with their viewpoints. CFC and other large nullsec alliances agreed to vote for each others candidates in order to 'fix' the election. CFC sent out a filled in ballot and asked every pilot to vote that ballot with every account exactly, that order, thus ensuring that the CSM will be overly represented by pilots from large nullsec blocks. CFC pilots were asked to vote for candidates that were in red (hostile) alliances, because they had agreements that those red alliances were going to ask their pilots to vote for the CFC candidates. It's cute that you think the CSM was elected by people who took the time to review the candidates positions and make independent selections. Don't let go of that naive optimism.
Agree. For the most part CSM is a sham. Its a popularity contest gone wrong in terms of own alliance self interests. |
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Lucas Kell wrote:Nobody has in a loooooong while. Who the hell will comit to the CFC if they dont have a chace for example? I dont see BL doing it . It must be for a reason.
Lucas Kell wrote: It's basic human nature. You've even done it yourself which is why you are part of MOA. You could contest goons on your own, but you know it's better to group up with others to do it, so you do. That will always be the case. Multiple weaker groups will join to defeat a common enemy.
I seriosuly disagree with blobbing a human nature. For many years this was not it until these large blue blobs began to appear. I am not saying that communities are not build...all iam saying this is not a community. Thats just a fight for who got the largest blob to throw at someone. This is not the eve I used to play. You want to blob fine be my guest but dont whine when you dont get kills. The other day you guys were blobbing us and decide to refit and you lost your numbers became smaller. We engaged you probably 30 vs 30 more or less. Both parties had fun. Blob us again and we will deny you the fun the same way CFC did to its oponents for years!
Lucas Kell wrote: The only systems you "captured" are ones mid way between being swapped between our alliances internally. You've failed because you've had almost no impact on our coalition, other than providing us with content from time to time.
To you is a failure. To us to do this vs 50000 people + titans and all the stuff that you guys throw at us its a victory. We are 1000.
Lucas Kell wrote: And why do you think we've paid them off yet never offered to pay you guys? It's because BL actually caused us significant problems, you haven't.
Well thats obvious. You have discovered cold water!
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wow at last CFC decided to look for action. They call it trying out sov in Providence. https://soundcloud.com/mel-gibson-774238727/mittani-provi-war-primer
Minute 18:00 for the actual Providence strategy. I would recomend it highly if into sov and new changes. |
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Tallardar wrote:Why would you listen to it though? You've admitted you're not interested in sov. Free intel. Also I am naturally curious. And see how can I use it to my advantage. |
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Tallardar wrote:Icycle wrote:Tallardar wrote:Why would you listen to it though? You've admitted you're not interested in sov. Free intel. Also I am naturally curious. And see how can I use it to my advantage. So far, despite the CFC giving out all these sort of speeches throughout its history, you and your alliance have failed to capitalize anything like this to your advantage. It's literally be 1 step forward, 2 steps back for you for years.
unlike your alliance right? |
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Arrendis wrote:Icycle wrote:unlike your alliance right? You know, not to defend PL or nothin', but when a single corp in an alliance can lose 3 trillion in a day and the corp and alliance recover w/in 9 months, you really can't say they're not doing something right.
I am just simply saying the fact. I dont concider them PL. Yes they have some PL members and they maybe an extension of PL. But far from PL. |
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Icycle wrote:Arrendis wrote:Icycle wrote:unlike your alliance right? You know, not to defend PL or nothin', but when a single corp in an alliance can lose 3 trillion in a day and the corp and alliance recover w/in 9 months, you really can't say they're not doing something right. I am just simply saying the fact. I dont concider them PL. Yes they have some PL members and they maybe an extension of PL. But far from PL. The guy can't possibly be in PL and also have an alt in PH for management stuff. Impossible...
I think you are missing the point. What I am trying to say that while there are some PL members, the majority are not. I think they got random alts from all over eve. I know even I wanted to place an alt in it but at the end did not bother. How hard can it be to pretend to be a noob? |
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