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Nitshe Trans Secunda Nulli Secunda 9	Posted - 2015.08.21 16:16:56 - [1] - Quote Hi Guys, I want to see more new users coming into the game. I feel lot of systems are empty. I don't know what can be done but maybe 6 months trial with some certain skill limit or whatever is the best choice. People need to play the game free a little so they enjoy it and pay for it. 30 day trial doesn't help. A lot to learn and get use to this game. Also there should be corp that accepts new users and take them around mining, shooting etc to teach people this game. also we enjoy the game when channels full space has more people. Lot of game's do free gaming these days with shop that people buy extra modules skin guns etc. I'm not saying do the same or not putting ideas but WE NEED MORE USERS MORE PEOPLE so You need to give longer trial or skill limit trials like 5Million skill limit etc and do some advertisement. Need to block people using this trials to create 10 people mining fleets lol. More people, more fun, more money for eve, more content, more workers. Lot of important aspects tied up to this. This should be the main priority.
unidenify Plundering Penguins Solyaris Chtonium 119	Posted - 2015.08.21 17:28:12 - [2] - Quote maybe follow other MMO by offer unlimited time for trial account, and need to pay price of full game to upgrade from trial? And, maybe add more skill to restricted so Trial can't use them in order to encourage them to buy account and play
FT Diomedes The Graduates Get Off My Lawn 1609	Posted - 2015.08.21 17:34:53 - [3] - Quote You should consider putting some feedback in this thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=432569&find=unread Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here? I'm stubborn.
Manes Avatarr Frontier Adventurers 120	Posted - 2015.08.21 17:41:57 - [4] - Quote 1. Reset Eve known space somehow (maybe not entirely) and add completely new universe to settle in 2. Free to play for trial users but not letting them to become threat to experienced chars 3. Lower sub fee 4. ADVERTISE! 5. Built in Valkirie-like mode (ie Elite-D mode) with Oculus integration asap 6. WiS (ending joke) FRONTIER ADVENTURERS Corp. \| To explore, build & fight! \| recruitment topic
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance 605	Posted - 2015.08.21 17:52:49 - [5] - Quote Discourage random acts of stupid aggression. It's a social problem. All you elite pirates killing off everything that comes near you can only point at a mirror when looking for someone to blame. Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
Tengu Grib Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 1340	Posted - 2015.08.21 18:19:04 - [6] - Quote Caleb Seremshur wrote: Discourage random acts of stupid aggression. It's a social problem. All you elite pirates killing off everything that comes near you can only point at a mirror when looking for someone to blame. Where did the bad pirate touch your ship? Special thanks to Carlvagio for being a cool bro and financing fun activities. StonerPhReak> Being an adult sucks.
Tengu Grib Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 1340	Posted - 2015.08.21 18:20:09 - [7] - Quote unidenify wrote: maybe follow other MMO by offer unlimited time for trial account, and need to pay price of full game to upgrade from trial? And, maybe add more skill to restricted so Trial can't use them in order to encourage them to buy account and play I'd abuse that to have unlimited free spies. Spies don't need much for skills. Special thanks to Carlvagio for being a cool bro and financing fun activities. StonerPhReak> Being an adult sucks.
unidenify Plundering Penguins Solyaris Chtonium 120	Posted - 2015.08.21 18:30:30 - [8] - Quote Tengu Grib wrote: unidenify wrote: maybe follow other MMO by offer unlimited time for trial account, and need to pay price of full game to upgrade from trial? And, maybe add more skill to restricted so Trial can't use them in order to encourage them to buy account and play I'd abuse that to have unlimited free spies. Spies don't need much for skills. there is other one thing I am concern as well, unlimited PI alts. thus may need to move all PI to restricted. But it is up to debate second thing, no amount of skills can block spies, but maybe make it so there is TRIAL banner similar to WANTED banner? so that way, it is up to corp to decide if they should risk to accept trial account or not.
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance 605	Posted - 2015.08.21 19:01:44 - [9] - Quote Tengu Grib wrote: Caleb Seremshur wrote: Discourage random acts of stupid aggression. It's a social problem. All you elite pirates killing off everything that comes near you can only point at a mirror when looking for someone to blame. Where did the bad pirate touch your ship? hahahahahahaahaa you're nothing but childs play Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 12839	Posted - 2015.08.21 20:22:20 - [10] - Quote Nitshe wrote: This should be the main priority. eh no. Main priority should be making the game outstanding for Vets so they will go out and tell people how much fun EVE is so that they try it out. As for extending trials, EVE had 2 week trials for years and years, during a time of growth. Anything over a month will only be an abuse to the game and make EVE far from outstanding thus limiting new players as Vets just grumble. Games that put newbies as a priority usually fail. CCP seems to be headed in generally the right direction. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Tiddle Jr Galvanized Inc. 404	Posted - 2015.08.21 20:52:58 - [11] - Quote Nitshe wrote: Hi Guys, I want to see more new users coming into the game. I feel lot of systems are empty. I don't know what can be done but maybe 6 months trial with some certain skill limit or whatever is the best choice. People need to play the game free a little so they enjoy it and pay for it. 30 day trial doesn't help. A lot to learn and get use to this game. Also there should be corp that accepts new users and take them around mining, shooting etc to teach people this game. also we enjoy the game when channels full space has more people. Lot of game's do free gaming these days with shop that people buy extra modules skin guns etc. I'm not saying do the same or not putting ideas but WE NEED MORE USERS MORE PEOPLE so You need to give longer trial or skill limit trials like 5Million skill limit etc and do some advertisement. Need to block people using this trials to create 10 people mining fleets lol. More people, more fun, more money for eve, more content, more workers. Lot of important aspects tied up to this. This should be the main priority. Fail attempt of Nulli to recruit newbros. Feel sory for that.
Nitshe Trans Secunda Nulli Secunda 9	Posted - 2015.08.21 20:55:27 - [12] - Quote Guys How about the idea of Free to Play in High Sec, whne you want to go low sec and wh null sec you need paid edition. Another idea not sure. But seems like all agree CCP needs to do something about the users. More users more fun.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 12840	Posted - 2015.08.21 21:16:42 - [13] - Quote Nitshe wrote: More users more fun. WoW sux. So... I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 1428	Posted - 2015.08.21 21:52:32 - [14] - Quote Caleb Seremshur wrote: Tengu Grib wrote: Caleb Seremshur wrote: Discourage random acts of stupid aggression. It's a social problem. All you elite pirates killing off everything that comes near you can only point at a mirror when looking for someone to blame. Where did the bad pirate touch your ship? hahahahahahaahaa you're nothing but childs play You probably should make up your mind whether these pirates are inconsequential and harmless (child's play) or killing the game by driving players away. It really has to be one or the other. You can't argue both in the same thread. It's bad form.
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance 606	Posted - 2015.08.22 02:46:57 - [15] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: Caleb Seremshur wrote: Tengu Grib wrote: Caleb Seremshur wrote: Discourage random acts of stupid aggression. It's a social problem. All you elite pirates killing off everything that comes near you can only point at a mirror when looking for someone to blame. Where did the bad pirate touch your ship? hahahahahahaahaa you're nothing but childs play You probably should make up your mind whether these pirates are inconsequential and harmless (child's play) or killing the game by driving players away. It really has to be one or the other. You can't argue both in the same thread. It's bad form. What is a personal anecdote? Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
Do Little Red Frog Freight Red-Frog 121	Posted - 2015.08.22 08:36:21 - [16] - Quote I don't think an extended trial will accomplish much - if you enjoy this game, you'll find the 50 cents a day you need to play. Eve's strength - the unpartitioned sandbox - can also be its weakness. When hungry sharks and minnows are swimmiing in the same pool, a lot of minnows aren't going to make it, but those that do will probably stay with the game for a long time. Broadening the appeal of the game will probably require partitioning the sandbox. New Eden is a big place and most of it is empty so there is room for a theme park if CCP and the player community want one - but making it destructible would kind of defeat the purpose!
KORAY OKTAVYAN Trans Secunda Nulli Secunda 37	Posted - 2015.08.22 13:50:01 - [17] - Quote The think is 30 day trial doesnt help generally. I remember I couldnt learn much in 30 days. This game is big. you learn this game more fun when you actually get into it later. I definitly thinking 6months or skill limit. So people can play free but cant go further with buying plex or paying or it. Do Little wrote: I don't think an extended trial will accomplish much - if you enjoy this game, you'll find the 50 cents a day you need to play. Eve's strength - the unpartitioned sandbox - can also be its weakness. When hungry sharks and minnows are swimmiing in the same pool, a lot of minnows aren't going to make it, but those that do will probably stay with the game for a long time. Broadening the appeal of the game will probably require partitioning the sandbox. New Eden is a big place and most of it is empty so there is room for a theme park if CCP and the player community want one - but making it destructible would kind of defeat the purpose!
McChicken Combo HalfMayo The Happy Meal 1086	Posted - 2015.08.23 02:24:32 - [18] - Quote Nitshe, if you want more users in the game stop spending your days falsely accusing innocent capsuleers of crimes they did not commit. You are your own worst enemy here.
Tengu Grib Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 1351	Posted - 2015.08.23 03:35:25 - [19] - Quote Do Little wrote: I don't think an extended trial will accomplish much - if you enjoy this game, you'll find the 50 cents a day you need to play. Eve's strength - the unpartitioned sandbox - can also be its weakness. When hungry sharks and minnows are swimmiing in the same pool, a lot of minnows aren't going to make it, but those that do will probably stay with the game for a long time. Broadening the appeal of the game will probably require partitioning the sandbox. New Eden is a big place and most of it is empty so there is room for a theme park if CCP and the player community want one - but making it destructible would kind of defeat the purpose! I agree with the first paragraph. Eve by it's very nature is going to have a relatively low new player retention. The fact that actually playing eve is only rarely like what the advertising makes it look like is part of that. But a commercial showing a gate camp of bored nerds linking fleet porn isn't likely to attract new customers. As to the second part, only if the theme park were very small, and provided little to no ability to make actual money. Maybe enough to screw around with some t1 fit t1 frigates and not much more. Otherwise people would just use it as a shelter for their carebear activities. Special thanks to Carlvagio for being a cool bro and financing fun activities. StonerPhReak> Being an adult sucks.
Dror Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2015.08.24 00:03:27 - [20] - Quote The trial idea is already plausible, because the amount of open clients is limited.. but.. that's no implication that the game would get a bunch of subs. There are plenty of posts about this, but the most helpful are these: There are plenty of studies on motivation and reward (including in video games), and SP progression fulfills almost none of that: socialization, competence, and freedom. It doesn't fulfill socialization because of the low value of fresh characters (for corps and gameplay), nor competence because of the limitations on piloting ability and ship selection, nor the freedom and autonomy of gathering and piloting great ships. Would it not seem disgusting for the playstyle trait that enjoys mastery and competition, that stations are empty because of limited marketing and industry SP, that null discussion's exclamations of boredom would be simply mitigated by alliances having enough fully-functional characters for fulfilling fleet requirements (and thus challenging sov efficiently, and at all), and that the game might seem unworthy of the sub if there's not enough budgeted for getting a character from the bazaar? "Yet there's so much gameplay," it might would be said, because there's nothing more than surveying the MMO and having no role in it because the development design disallows it. Games like Star Citizen that would actively provide the same benefits of role fulfillment and would set that gameplay up without monetization gating. In other words, if the game doesn't provide a competitive scene, those potential subs will probably find other games. Competitive here is summarized in tandem with the other forms of motivation and reward that are mentioned, including competence ("Does this support eager learning and feelings of relevance?") and freedom.
Noragen Neirfallas Fredegar Hohenstaufen Corporation Holy Arumbian Empire 1832	Posted - 2015.08.24 00:25:06 - [21] - Quote Tengu Grib wrote: unidenify wrote: maybe follow other MMO by offer unlimited time for trial account, and need to pay price of full game to upgrade from trial? And, maybe add more skill to restricted so Trial can't use them in order to encourage them to buy account and play I'd abuse that to have unlimited free spies. Spies don't need much for skills. Which was clearly Nitshe's intention. He is truly a diabolical genius. Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie ISD Dorrim Barstorlode favourite ISD
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 2375	Posted - 2015.08.24 04:46:17 - [22] - Quote Dror wrote: The trial idea is already plausible, because the amount of open clients is limited.. but.. that's no implication that the game would get a bunch of subs. There are plenty of posts about this, but the most helpful are these: There are plenty of studies on motivation and reward (including in video games), and SP progression fulfills almost none of that: socialization, competence, and freedom. It doesn't fulfill socialization because of the low value of fresh characters (for corps and gameplay), nor competence because of the limitations on piloting ability and ship selection, nor the freedom and autonomy of gathering and piloting great ships. Would it not seem disgusting for the playstyle trait that enjoys mastery and competition, that stations are empty because of limited marketing and industry SP, that null discussion's exclamations of boredom would be simply mitigated by alliances having enough fully-functional characters for fulfilling fleet requirements (and thus challenging sov efficiently, and at all), and that the game might seem unworthy of the sub if there's not enough budgeted for getting a character from the bazaar? "Yet there's so much gameplay," it might would be said, because there's nothing more than surveying the MMO and having no role in it because the development design disallows it. Games like Star Citizen that would actively provide the same benefits of role fulfillment and would set that gameplay up without monetization gating. In other words, if the game doesn't provide a competitive scene, those potential subs will probably find other games. Competitive here is summarized in tandem with the other forms of motivation and reward that are mentioned, including competence ("Does this support eager learning and feelings of relevance?") and freedom. I was going to try to disagree with a premise hiding in here or some of the logic or something. Unfortunately, I quickly realized that while this is syntatically English it manages to convey absolutely no meaning beyond competence in buzzwords and strong opinion. So drop that. I'll just say something else entirely. Having new subs is indeed a Good Thing, especially if they stick around. Breaking the game for new subs, however, is a Bad Thing since it drives away the base. Walking that line is indeed hard, but honestly I don't think CCP is doing a bad job right now.
Dror Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2015.08.24 09:12:31 - [23] - Quote Zhilia Mann wrote: I was going to try to disagree with a premise hiding in here or some of the logic or something. Unfortunately, I quickly realized that while this is syntatically English it manages to convey absolutely no meaning beyond competence in buzzwords and strong opinion. So drop that. I'll just say something else entirely. Having new subs is indeed a Good Thing, especially if they stick around. Breaking the game for new subs, however, is a Bad Thing since it drives away the base. Walking that line is indeed hard, but honestly I don't think CCP is doing a bad job right now. Feel free, because those ideas are sourced from scientific literature. It actually seems as if there is no rebuttal, else one would have been said in one of the threads with this topic. The remainder of the reply is tripe.
Mike Voidstar Voidstar Free Flight Foundation 837	Posted - 2015.08.24 09:51:39 - [24] - Quote There may be less subs now, but I doubt there are all that many fewer players. Many recent changes have devalued the value and need for alts, and I would bet that's the largest part of what we are losing. I find that to be a good thing in itself, because alts are one of the biggest reasons we can't have nice things. Every change has to be filtered through a 'how will alts break the intent'. The problem there is that it reduces everything to mindless shooting, because any other form of profit through competition can be gamed through the use of alts---when you are playing all sides at the same time, you are bound to win. That said, if more subs are what you are after then a change in the direction of the games development away from all direct PvP all the time and toward making EVE an online world again with more than the fiction section of their website will help. All those nasty things the PvP crowd hates like walking in stations and allowing for more security in building and growing things. Pure PVP games have always been popular, but ones that grow are the ones that foster teamwork. EVE isn't pure PvP, and it actively undercuts building teamwork or community. It worships screwing over your 'friends', while placing the most materialistically profitable activities into ships intended to be prey. That makes it extremely niche in terms of retaining players. EvE is designed as a snake eating it's own tail.
Donnachadh United Allegiance of Undesirables 459	Posted - 2015.08.24 13:59:52 - [25] - Quote Mike Voidstar wrote: There may be less subs now, but I doubt there are all that many fewer players. This ^^^^ has been my experience as well. With the jump range changes and jump fatigue many of the cap ship pilots do not need as many accounts to house their cyno alts all over the EvE universe so they are letting those subs expire. In my prime game time we are down from about 20,000 characters online on an average day to about 16,000 to 17,000 and I wonder how many of those lost were cyno alts? I know that my son has dropped 3 accounts and a friend of mine has dropped 5 accounts and all of those characters were cyno alts. Before we can get all up in arms about changes needed to keep accounts / characters in the game we need to understand how, where and why the character count has dropped. Given that the affects of the sov changes are really just starting to settle into the game as a whole I would side with them going away because they were cyno alts that are no longer needed. I still am on the -1 side to your OP idea as there are to many ways this could be abused to the detriment of the game, that and I am not convinced that you are correct despite all your "scientific" mumbo jumbo.
Zan Shiro Alternative Enterprises 744	Posted - 2015.08.24 14:34:41 - [26] - Quote Dror wrote: The trial idea is already plausible, because the amount of open clients is limited.. but.. that's no implication that the game would get a bunch of subs. There are plenty of posts about this, but the most helpful are these: There are plenty of studies on motivation and reward (including in video games), and SP progression fulfills almost none of that: socialization, competence, and freedom. It doesn't fulfill socialization because of the low value of fresh characters (for corps and gameplay), nor competence because of the limitations on piloting ability and ship selection, nor the freedom and autonomy of gathering and piloting great ships. Would it not seem disgusting for the playstyle trait that enjoys mastery and competition, that stations are empty because of limited marketing and industry SP, that null discussion's exclamations of boredom would be simply mitigated by alliances having enough fully-functional characters for fulfilling fleet requirements (and thus challenging sov efficiently, and at all), and that the game might seem unworthy of the sub if there's not enough budgeted for getting a character from the bazaar? "Yet there's so much gameplay," it might would be said, because there's nothing more than surveying the MMO and having no role in it because the development design disallows it. Games like Star Citizen would actively provide the same benefits of role fulfillment and would set that gameplay up without monetization gating. In other words, if the game doesn't provide a competitive scene, those potential subs will probably find other games. Competitive here is summarized in tandem with the other forms of motivation and reward that are mentioned, including competence ("Does this support eager learning and feelings of relevance?") and freedom. you'd have to link some of these studies for starters. Ones with data and methods used explained in detail and available for download. I am studying data science. One of our basic laws is research must be reproducible. IE....give us the data and the code used. One of the key things we look for is confounders. Something that looks like its linked...but its not. I've seen science research, talking lfe or death implications....suffer from improper analysis. I'd also like to see its age break downs. See I have a theory....its the young bloods who do not know of life before "dlc" that drive this drivel really. I started gaming on a commodore 64 when it was new from the then viable company. Many years of gaming the take away basically. I remember when games had everything you could ever have in them.....day 1. In the "base" game. How to unlock it? Lots of hardwork and dedication. I unlocked Tofu in Resident Evil 2 on a PS1 loooong ago for example. Google how to do this. its not easy. Today's DLC crap....this would be a cough up a few $ for it really. I have seen this crap kill racing games. I long for the days of GT1 and 2. Rare exotic car...wnat it bad enough you run the races to get it. Not cough up $ for it. Also long for older FPS days. Want that skin? that weapon? Spam that game till you unlocked it. This mindset seems to be more in tune with older gamers. Younger gamers seem to be the DLC it crowd. Not all of course...but that's me eyeballing it. Secondly what star citizen are you playing that isn't monetized gaming. It already has tiered rewards for backers. Over several pledge drives. Rewards that to me incur some benefit to actual game play. They are far from cosmetic for damn sure. Now when production SC is going to have to make a hard call. Make these exclusives to backers stay exclusive...or not. Tough call....as well I missed a few good backer deals. Do I want to be head to head with the peeps who got these....nope. I'd want them too. So do they make me happy an tell backers umm, yeah, your exclusive not going to be exclusive anymore. Or do they tell me sucks to be you,.....you didn't back us day1. Can't wait to see how that plays out tbh,,,,
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2129	Posted - 2015.08.24 15:19:06 - [27] - Quote Webvan wrote: Nitshe wrote: This should be the main priority. eh no. Main priority should be making the game outstanding for Vets so they will go out and tell people how much fun EVE is so that they try it out. As for extending trials, EVE had 2 week trials for years and years, during a time of growth. Anything over a month will only be an abuse to the game and make EVE far from outstanding thus limiting new players as Vets just grumble. Games that put newbies as a priority usually fail. CCP seems to be headed in generally the right direction. Problem with an outstanding game for vets is how they often also being poor games for newbies. I'm not saying it's impossible but vets telling their friend to try it out won't work if they friend has to deal with a metric ass ton of BS before getting to the outstanding part that the vet appreciate. Every MMO wants more subs but it's not easy to pull off no matter what line you try to follow. If it was easy, they would all have have millions of subs.
Nitshe Trans Secunda Nulli Secunda 10	Posted - 2015.08.24 17:29:23 - [28] - Quote you guys genius :)
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 2380	Posted - 2015.08.24 18:45:28 - [29] - Quote Dror wrote: Zhilia Mann wrote: I was going to try to disagree with a premise hiding in here or some of the logic or something. Unfortunately, I quickly realized that while this is syntatically English it manages to convey absolutely no meaning beyond competence in buzzwords and strong opinion. So drop that. I'll just say something else entirely. Having new subs is indeed a Good Thing, especially if they stick around. Breaking the game for new subs, however, is a Bad Thing since it drives away the base. Walking that line is indeed hard, but honestly I don't think CCP is doing a bad job right now. Feel free, because those ideas are sourced from scientific literature. It actually seems as if there is no rebuttal, else one would have been said in one of the threads with this topic. The remainder of the reply is tripe. I'm dead serious. The majority of the words you strung together don't mean anything in this context. They are words that management consultants and grad students use, often quite differently, to describe things in specific contexts that may and may not apply. Without actually, you know, citing a study or two or bothering to define your terms you've communicated nothing. Not "nothing of value", literally nothing. But sure, for the sake of argument, let's assume that the amorphous "research" has indeed been done and that some sort of theoretical framework has been applied to the data to explain the observed phenomena. The categories used make sense in the context of the study and seem to offer some sort of predictions. Maybe we can even identify some real correlation coeffecient that isn't entirely arbitrary -- but let's face it, this isn't real science and so that is maddeningly tricky to do well. Even if all that were true it wouldn't add up a definite prescriptive formula for Eve. Until we were to satisfy ourselves that Eve fit into the theoretical framework of the aforementioned studies then it would be a mistake to even begin to draw conclusions about what ought or ought not be done to change the game. The fact that Eve often defines itself as explicitly not like, say, Wow further complicates matters and likely renders the entire conversation moot. tl;dr: You can't just march in and say that some ill-defined "research" justifies changes without doing a hell of a lot of legwork getting from one to the other.
Nitshe Trans Secunda Nulli Secunda 10	Posted - 2015.08.24 19:06:14 - [30] - Quote Guys let stay on topic. I feel like we can definitely use some free gaming. Like I said High sec limited and Skill Limited will be fine. We paid users wont be affected and this people will be learning the game and grow into high sec and eventually pay for moving on to lov sec null sec or wormholes, Of course there are spies and haters and some bull people but that is something to discuss later. Main ponit is 10K-20K more people in to this game might be more fun for us. I see lot of recruitment channels empty. with school starting we will get new people but it is perfect time to start some free gaming and get them into start the game.
Dror Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2015.08.24 19:27:51 - [31] - Quote Zhilia Mann wrote: Actually, that post very clearly lists a question, "Does [SP] support eager learning and feelings of relevance?" In other words, does it promote immediate depth of play.. or feelings of confidence and competitiveness? Does it promote item-filled stations and autonomy and freedom?
Horus V The Destined 101	Posted - 2015.08.24 21:26:59 - [32] - Quote 1.Repair corp mechanics 2.Make scaning sigs much more difficult and more engaging (actually hide some sigs from this stuipid overlay completely) 3.Redesign stars so youd see it getting smaller as you warp away 4.Make eve more realistic and explain why things work in a certain way. Saying that the world is different from ours and phisics does not apply in a fantasy waterlike space does more harm than good for those who are looking for scifi experience. 5.high res graphics 6.new nullsec on the other side of wh in a different galaxy. Seperated small seperated isle of claimable space of few stars here and there(few thousand total) Perfect for smaller alliances. If ccp continue to deny access to sov for anybody who doesnt belong to big coalitions then the game will suffer more and more. 7.And the biggest one - WIS . V
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 14292	Posted - 2015.08.24 21:42:40 - [33] - Quote Horus V wrote: 3.Redesign stars so youd see it getting smaller as you warp away 4.Make eve more realistic and explain why things work in a certain way. Saying that the world is different from ours and phisics does not apply in a fantasy waterlike space does more harm than good for those who are looking for scifi experience. These two being next to one another makes me laugh. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Noragen Neirfallas Fredegar Hohenstaufen Corporation Holy Arumbian Empire 1853	Posted - 2015.08.25 02:21:46 - [34] - Quote Nitshe we the people of New Eden will not stand for your evil and will not provide you with an army of ALT's for free that are completely disposable so you can commit further crimes against us. Our Legal Crusade in the Court of Crime and Punishment (CoCaP) will continue to weed out your ALT's wherever they may be. We will defend our universe, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight in the wormholes, we shall fight in the corporations, we shall fight in the Local Chat and Forums, we shall never surrender Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie ISD Dorrim Barstorlode favourite ISD
Bob Maths EVE University Ivy League 33	Posted - 2015.08.25 08:57:26 - [35] - Quote Nitshe wrote: Hi Guys, PRESS LIKE IF YOU LIKE THE IDEA MORE USERS and DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT> I want to see more new users coming into the game. I feel lot of systems are empty. I don't know what can be done but maybe 6 months trial with some certain skill limit or whatever is the best choice. People need to play the game free a little so they enjoy it and pay for it. 30 day trial doesn't help. A lot to learn and get use to this game. Also there should be corp that accepts new users and take them around mining, shooting etc to teach people this game. also we enjoy the game when channels full space has more people. Lot of game's do free gaming these days with shop that people buy extra modules skin guns etc. I'm not saying do the same or not putting ideas but WE NEED MORE USERS MORE PEOPLE so You need to give longer trial or skill limit trials like 5Million skill limit etc and do some advertisement. Need to block people using this trials to create 10 people mining fleets lol. More people, more fun, more money for eve, more content, more workers. Lot of important aspects tied up to this. This should be the main priority. I don't know if it's been said but... just look at below my picture.
Noragen Neirfallas Fredegar Hohenstaufen Corporation Holy Arumbian Empire 1855	Posted - 2015.08.25 10:40:12 - [36] - Quote To get out of character now, once I train my toon to the skills I desire I can now play for free? This would actually result in less subs not more. Just saying. -1 Terrible idea Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie ISD Dorrim Barstorlode favourite ISD
Nitshe Trans Secunda Nulli Secunda 10	Posted - 2015.08.25 12:15:40 - [37] - Quote IDEA question is HOW WE get more users invited to the game ? guys are out of topic specially Noragen Neirfallas. If you think not good then you need to provide idea how to gain more users. you just talking no i don't like this but no idea or resolution like person that has no imagination or creativity. I don't like this I'm going away my brain level is only enough for not liking it lol :P Ideas guys we sharing ideas here. you Noragen Neirfallas you just a hater. move on.
Nitshe Trans Secunda Nulli Secunda 10	Posted - 2015.08.25 12:31:18 - [38] - Quote I know your corp and I love eve university i think you guys are best think happen to this game. when we hire person from eve university they know what they doing and ready. I wish every user graduates from eve university. Bob Maths wrote: Nitshe wrote: Hi Guys, PRESS LIKE IF YOU LIKE THE IDEA MORE USERS and DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT> I want to see more new users coming into the game. I feel lot of systems are empty. I don't know what can be done but maybe 6 months trial with some certain skill limit or whatever is the best choice. People need to play the game free a little so they enjoy it and pay for it. 30 day trial doesn't help. A lot to learn and get use to this game. Also there should be corp that accepts new users and take them around mining, shooting etc to teach people this game. also we enjoy the game when channels full space has more people. Lot of game's do free gaming these days with shop that people buy extra modules skin guns etc. I'm not saying do the same or not putting ideas but WE NEED MORE USERS MORE PEOPLE so You need to give longer trial or skill limit trials like 5Million skill limit etc and do some advertisement. Need to block people using this trials to create 10 people mining fleets lol. More people, more fun, more money for eve, more content, more workers. Lot of important aspects tied up to this. This should be the main priority. I don't know if it's been said but... just look at below my picture.
Noragen Neirfallas Fredegar Hohenstaufen Corporation Holy Arumbian Empire 1857	Posted - 2015.08.25 12:32:08 - [39] - Quote Nitshe wrote: IDEA question is HOW WE get more users invited to the game ? guys are out of topic specially Noragen Neirfallas. If you think not good then you need to provide idea how to gain more users. you just talking no i don't like this but no idea or resolution like person that has no imagination or creativity. I don't like this I'm going away my brain level is only enough for not liking it lol :P Ideas guys we sharing ideas here. you Noragen Neirfallas you just a hater. move on. Your honeyed words will fool nobody Nitshe. This is all a carefully crafted ploy to create even more awoxing, corp theiving and generally nefarious accounts then you already have. Your evil truly knows no bounds. OOC Features and ideas is for features and ideas. If you wanna brainstorm GD is likely the place for that. Unless you wanna brainstorm on a particular item specific to one group in which case do what I did and create a thread there and have it moved to F&I once you have your feature or idea crafted. It is also useful to get feedback on the proposed idea and to alter it to a more well rounded idea. In the meanwhile your idea is still terrible on many levels and pleading for other people to think for you on a new idea instead of owning up to the terrible idea isn't winning you any points. How about if you really wanna help out with new subs you get down and help out new toons as they enter eve and leave the bringing of trial players into the game in the more then capable PR department of CCP. One person pointed out eve uni. I personally am involved with this group right now that has seen more then 100 characters over the age of 20 days now playing eve on a semi daily basis (they have at least logged in once since passing 20 days). That's where new subs are at. Back in character Now back to the shadows with you. We will not stand for your evil here Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie ISD Dorrim Barstorlode favourite ISD
Nitshe Trans Secunda Nulli Secunda 10	Posted - 2015.08.25 12:36:22 - [40] - Quote So don't you think this new users need more then 30 days trial ? are they learning the game in 30 days ? Talk about that. they liking the game ? put your experience here.what did they said about the game ? are they liking it ? how long trial will help them where is all this ideas since you working with them ? Noragen Neirfallas wrote: Nitshe wrote: IDEA question is HOW WE get more users invited to the game ? guys are out of topic specially Noragen Neirfallas. If you think not good then you need to provide idea how to gain more users. you just talking no i don't like this but no idea or resolution like person that has no imagination or creativity. I don't like this I'm going away my brain level is only enough for not liking it lol :P Ideas guys we sharing ideas here. you Noragen Neirfallas you just a hater. move on. Your honeyed words will fool nobody Nitshe. This is all a carefully crafted ploy to create even more awoxing, corp theiving and generally nefarious accounts then you already have. Your evil truly knows no bounds. OOC Features and ideas is for features and ideas. If you wanna brainstorm GD is likely the place for that. Unless you wanna brainstorm on a particular item specific to one group in which case do what I did and create a thread there and have it moved to F&I once you have your feature or idea crafted. It is also useful to get feedback on the proposed idea and to alter it to a more well rounded idea. In the meanwhile your idea is still terrible on many levels and pleading for other people to think for you on a new idea instead of owning up to the terrible idea isn't winning you any points. How about if you really wanna help out with new subs you get down and help out new toons as they enter eve and leave the bringing of trial players into the game in the more then capable PR department of CCP. One person pointed out eve uni. I personally am involved with this group right now that has seen more then 100 characters over the age of 20 days now playing eve on a semi daily basis (they have at least logged in once since passing 20 days). That's where new subs are at. Back in character Now back to the shadows with you. We will not stand for your evil here
Noragen Neirfallas Fredegar Hohenstaufen Corporation Holy Arumbian Empire 1860	Posted - 2015.08.25 14:50:39 - [41] - Quote Nitshe wrote: So don't you think this new users need more then 30 days trial ? are they learning the game in 30 days ? Talk about that. they liking the game ? put your experience here.what did they said about the game ? are they liking it ? how long trial will help them where is all this ideas since you working with them ? Noragen Neirfallas wrote: Nitshe wrote: IDEA question is HOW WE get more users invited to the game ? guys are out of topic specially Noragen Neirfallas. If you think not good then you need to provide idea how to gain more users. you just talking no i don't like this but no idea or resolution like person that has no imagination or creativity. I don't like this I'm going away my brain level is only enough for not liking it lol :P Ideas guys we sharing ideas here. you Noragen Neirfallas you just a hater. move on. Your honeyed words will fool nobody Nitshe. This is all a carefully crafted ploy to create even more awoxing, corp theiving and generally nefarious accounts then you already have. Your evil truly knows no bounds. OOC Features and ideas is for features and ideas. If you wanna brainstorm GD is likely the place for that. Unless you wanna brainstorm on a particular item specific to one group in which case do what I did and create a thread there and have it moved to F&I once you have your feature or idea crafted. It is also useful to get feedback on the proposed idea and to alter it to a more well rounded idea. In the meanwhile your idea is still terrible on many levels and pleading for other people to think for you on a new idea instead of owning up to the terrible idea isn't winning you any points. How about if you really wanna help out with new subs you get down and help out new toons as they enter eve and leave the bringing of trial players into the game in the more then capable PR department of CCP. One person pointed out eve uni. I personally am involved with this group right now that has seen more then 100 characters over the age of 20 days now playing eve on a semi daily basis (they have at least logged in once since passing 20 days). That's where new subs are at. Back in character Now back to the shadows with you. We will not stand for your evil here Most get a feel for if they will play the game within a week or 2. I do not think an unlimited trial (or even a longer trial) would eb good for the game. at 20 days you can have an incredibly proficient suicide alt. at 20 days you can have an incredibly proficient scout. New players often decide to sub to get rid of the restrictions of the trial account long before the 20 day limit because they wanna try something that they can't. I don't see your idea making many new subs but I do see it's potential for serious abuse (and that's just what I would do with them) Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie ISD Dorrim Barstorlode favourite ISD
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out 8537	Posted - 2015.08.25 15:54:08 - [42] - Quote Quote: We paid users wont be affected and this people will be learning the game and grow into high sec and eventually pay for moving on to lov sec null sec or wormholes, You lost me right here. As long as a player can... - affect the economy - act as eyes for another - move/loot items ... they are affecting others. Mind you, if you limit the skills enough, you can minimize the impact of each character's/account's effects. However, because characters/accounts are basically free and IP addresses are trivial to fake/scramble you can create limitless amounts of alts for any purpose you can dream of... as long as it isn't terribly skill intensive... ... which is pretty much everything in the game that isn't fleet warfare or high-end industry. A character specialized in hauling with Deep Space Transports, Blockade Runners, and Freighters take about 2 months to train. A character specialized in probing down stuff takes less than a month to train. A character specialized in market trading shenanigans takes less than 2 weeks. A character that is geared for ganking? Less than a week. My alt character on this account? I trained him up to 30 million skillpoints and then stopped. He doesn't need to have more because I do not intend to do more with him than run missions, play the market, and ferry stuff around. And he still finds the time to affect others by occasionally ninja looting carebears and crashing small regional markets. EVE was just never designed for the "free-to-play" model. And you can't really change that without fundamentally altering the game itself in a way where it stops being "EVE." How did you Veterans start? The Skillpoint System and You
Arya Regnar Darwins Right Hand 756	Posted - 2015.08.25 16:10:49 - [43] - Quote Nitshe wrote: Hi Guys, Listed Ideas So far: 1) Longer Trial Period to get users more familiar with eve 2) High sec free gaming only. (Free gamers are only allowed in high sec also with skill limit) 3) Lower sub fee for beginners 4) ADVERTISE! right place right people 5) Discourage random acts of stupid aggression (Stealing) (Lot of users left the game due they corp get robbed and died) 6) in the same time: unlimited PI alts, unlimited spies, need to watch out for this. (1 Free account PER IP maybe ?) Please sent me in private what you think it is best idea to bring users i will add to list. PRESS LIKE IF YOU LIKE THE IDEA MORE USERS and DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT> I want to see more new users coming into the game. I feel lot of systems are empty. I don't know what can be done but maybe 6 months trial with some certain skill limit or whatever is the best choice. People need to play the game free a little so they enjoy it and pay for it. 30 day trial doesn't help. A lot to learn and get use to this game. Also there should be corp that accepts new users and take them around mining, shooting etc to teach people this game. also we enjoy the game when channels full space has more people. Lot of game's do free gaming these days with shop that people buy extra modules skin guns etc. I'm not saying do the same or not putting ideas but WE NEED MORE USERS MORE PEOPLE so You need to give longer trial or skill limit trials like 5Million skill limit etc and do some advertisement. Need to block people using this trials to create 10 people mining fleets lol. More people, more fun, more money for eve, more content, more workers. Lot of important aspects tied up to this. This should be the main priority. Any of the first 3 mentioned things pretty much kill eve outright. 4 is you being smartass and 5 is not true. EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
Dror Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2015.08.25 16:18:16 - [44] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: alts for any purpose There are already limitations on the amount of trial clients open. Not even supporting the thread's topic, because there are other alternatives listed in this very thread with great reasoning.
Meeka Ashwyn Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.08.25 18:02:36 - [45] - Quote Hello there, Here is my humble opnion: EVE is a special kind of MMO, it is not for everyone but we should still try to make every new player feel like they have a chance to settle in and find a place or activity within EVE that they enjoy. It should be about giving people a chance to try out as much as possible. My suggestions are not about monetization or restricting the gameplay of veteran player but about making the game more fun and exciting for new and old players. 1. Remove / hide attributes, remove learning implants and attributes from other implants and introduce more skill hardwirings to slot 1-5. Why? Attributes prevent both old and new player from trying out skills that are outside their current attribute configuration (learning missiles as int/mem and so on). Learning Implants or attributes on other implants make people more afraid to undock because they fear to lose out on precious skillpoints either by undocking with +5 implants and losing them or by using only a +3 clone. Replacing these learning implants with skill hardwirings (that actually improve the performance of the clone) will keep all the people happy who like big numbers from pod kills. 2.Let new characters learn skills at a faster pace. Example (with only 30 days per month): 1. Month 5000 SP/H (3.600.000 SP at the end of the month) 2-6. Month 4000 SP/H (14.400.000 SP during the 2. to 6. month) 7-12. Month 3000 SP/H (12.960.000 SP for the last 6 month of the first year) Every character older than one year would learn at the current 2700 SP/H. Hope these numbers are correct. Numbers can be adjusted but the basic idea is to learn fast at the beginning and slow down to the normal learning rate by the end of the first year. Why? One of the most exciting things when you start EVE is this huge amount of skills and possible paths to take. There is so much to try out but it takes so long to learn but this change allows new players to make the most of their first month and at the end of the year you feel like you can stand toe to toe with the veteran players (skillpoint wise) but still have alot to learn. During the first month a new player could easily learn all necessary skills to IV for several career paths in EVE and try them out or focus on one and come very close to perfecting it. After the first year a new player (or character) will have aquired 30.960.000 SP. That is around 7-8 million skillpoints more than a character with +5 and perfect remap could achieve and it is enough to try different things out and still be competent at more than one. 3. Introduce missions that ask a player to travel to low, null or w-space. No special item to aquire or station to land at, only a certain low / null system (random for every player) or a certain number of different w-space systems to be visited. How a player gets their doesn't matter. No time limit, no way to fail it, can only be done once per week. Payout (5-15 milion credits should be enough, alot for new players) should depend on the number of jumps to reach the destination or number of w-systems to visit. Why? All the EVE players who want new people to go outside of high-sec are right. The first time it feels dangerous but sooo exciting even if the system was actually empty and there was no threat at all. So this type of mission gives new players a direction to start with, a reason to leave high-sec, a goal to reach, a destination to travel to. The reason it should be done only once a week is simple: prevent abuse of more experienced players as much as possible and give new players time to complete them without the new player feeling rushed. So with these three suggestions we gave (new) players a way to try out different career paths in EVE by letting them learn faster, we took away the fear of losing skillpoints by doing something dangerous and/or new for both new and old players and we gave (new) players a reason to leave high-sec (perhaps they will like what they see out there). Of course Malcanis' Law still applies. For veteran players it will be easier and faster to train alts for certain purposes and the new mission type will allow players with alot of characters to gain alot of credits but it also means more targets because more people will no longer be afraid to undock because of their expensive learning implants. Thanks for reading.
Noragen Neirfallas Fredegar Hohenstaufen Corporation Holy Arumbian Empire 1872	Posted - 2015.08.26 00:55:58 - [46] - Quote Arya Regnar wrote: Nitshe wrote: 5) Discourage random acts of stupid aggression (Stealing) (Lot of users left the game due they corp get robbed and died) Any of the first 3 mentioned things pretty much kill eve outright. 4 is you being smartass and 5 is not true. Don't be so sure about 5. If anybody knows about corp theft and it's effects on players it is master thief Nitshe. We have determined that of the last 11 reported thefts Nitshe was behind 9 and is suspected to be involved in the on going investigation 11. Check out C&P forum for more details Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie ISD Dorrim Barstorlode favourite ISD

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