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Dawne Xi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.12.11 14:40:00 -
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Edited by: Dawne Xi on 11/12/2006 14:59:13
Edited by: Dawne Xi on 11/12/2006 14:58:21
Edited by: Dawne Xi on 11/12/2006 14:55:40
Do not post images directly - Xorus
Sorry Xorus, there's a button for it, so I used it. Won't happen again if its not allowed.
Edited by: Dawne Xi on 11/12/2006 14:41:21
On contracts of items that have a quantity of anything other than one (1), the quantity is clearly shown with a "X #####" after the item shown in the "Offered Items" section of the contract. Any item that is a quantity of one (1), does not have it's quantity listed as "X 1" I have reported this in the Bug Reports and am wondering when CCP is going to put out the general warning to everyone exploiting this bug. See images below as examples (note the one that has no quantity listed but is advertised as a quantity of 30,000 and a price of 75,000,000 isk).
Image of Quantity greater than one -> http://www.equo.org/eve/images/qty_gtone.gif
Image of Quantity of one -> http://www.equo.org/eve/images/qty_one.gif
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Roshan longshot
Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
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Posted - 2006.12.11 14:45:00 -
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First thing...Miss LadyDragon is a known escrow scammmer.
Second thing, if one does not look at what he is buying, then fine...he deserves it.
Third why are you buying minerals? Cheaper to mine them your self.
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Darius Shakor
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.12.11 14:48:00 -
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I am sure I heard the patch on Wednesday would correct this. Nothing in the patch notes though. They usually put things like that in the notes at the last minute so it won't give people ideas in the meantime on how to scam people.
And on EVE TV Ouver said some contracts do not work as intended and they were meant to be 'enforcable' by CCP, whatever that means. I was maybe as drunk as he was last night so I don't have much comprehension of the situation.
As for it being declared an exploit, and a general warning, I agree on that if it isn't already viewed as such by the BM's already.
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Dawne Xi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.12.11 14:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Roshan longshot
Second thing, if one does not look at what he is buying, then fine...he deserves it.
Roshan perhaps you misunderstood my point, could you tell me exactly where it says that the Megacyte is a quantity of one? I don't see it. And don't say "Oh if it has no quantity you should know it's one."
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Darius Shakor
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.12.11 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Roshan longshot
First thing...Miss LadyDragon is a known escrow scammmer.
Second thing, if one does not look at what he is buying, then fine...he deserves it.
First of all, not everyone knows that. We don't all keep up to date with the 'Scammer Times top 10 list' I didn't know this and I do read the forums.
Second of all, people would be under the assumption that the 'Contract Description' is autogenerated, not player generated, and think the item displayed at the bottom is just there for informations sake and doesn't show quantity. Hence why people are scamming this way. It is pretty easy to miss afterall if you are not an avid escrower.
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Dawne Xi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.12.11 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Darius Shakor
I am sure I heard the patch on Wednesday would correct this. Nothing in the patch notes though.
We can only hope this is the case. Thanks for the info Darius
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.12.11 14:57:00 -
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As I said in the help channel, the UI team has to explicitely design and code it so it does not show the 'x 1' for a single item.
This is a design decision, not a glitch. All we can do is hope that the dev team decides that this was not a good decision.
Maybe it might help to have the devs work on the petitions for two weeks per three months of devdom. 
And you better use the market for mineral trades. The skills for broker fees and market tax do work there. (Not that the market is a brilliant piece of UI design, but that's another topic.)
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Rutoo
Gallente
Interstellar eXodus
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Posted - 2006.12.11 15:24:00 -
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Short Story
I know someone who got a battleship for 1.1 million.
Some Dude was adversieing selling a rattlesnake for 1.1 billion. Opened trade window with the guy Traded a Scorp named "RattleSnake" Needless to say, the Dude put 1.1 million in the trade window and click accept,
The "Scammer" also clicked accept and needless to say, a Scorp was bought for 1.1 Million isk
This is a perfect example of the scammer getting scammed.
muhaha
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Posted - 2006.12.11 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Rutoo
Short Story
I know someone who got a battleship for 1.1 million.
Some Dude was adversieing selling a rattlesnake for 1.1 billion. Opened trade window with the guy Traded a Scorp named "RattleSnake" Needless to say, the Dude put 1.1 million in the trade window and click accept,
The "Scammer" also clicked accept and needless to say, a Scorp was bought for 1.1 Million isk
This is a perfect example of the scammer getting scammed.
muhaha
Fairly off topic though it is, that is totally totally awesome. Quick thinking 4tw :D
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2006.12.11 15:41:00 -
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I like it the way it is now. It is much cleaner not having x 1 after single items.
Really, I can't get excited if a few dullards get scammed. It is part of the game. And anyway no matter what is done, the overwhelming stupidity of some people will overcome all sa***uards.
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Dawne Xi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.12.11 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Banana Torres
I like it the way it is now. It is much cleaner not having x 1 after single items.
You're missing the point -- It's inconsistent to not put quantities in the contract, regardless of what the quantity is. Put Qty: 1 under the item for all I care. I just want it to be consistent.
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2006.12.11 17:30:00 -
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Never - because it isn't.
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Miri Tirzan
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.11 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Roshan longshot
Third why are you buying minerals? Cheaper to mine them your self.
Since I build several freighter and many other ships a month, where can I get a ship that will let me mine that much? I dont know if he has the same bulk issues but it is much less boring and time intensive to just buy the minerals.
Would be nice if it was actually hard to scam but dont expect CCP to fix anything.
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Tao Han
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.12.11 18:33:00 -
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To be honest here, it does say that there is a megacyte for sale.
Its just the same as the old "pretend 1 trit is a CNR" escrow scam, look before you purchase, please.
I dont see a bug here.
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Nicocat
Caldari
New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.12.11 19:07:00 -
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Ha ha. Someone got scammed because they bought stuff off a contract with their ******* eyes closed. What do you usually think when you see an item with no quantity? I think "one."
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Dawne Xi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.12.11 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tao Han
To be honest here, it does say that there is a megacyte for sale.
I dont see a bug here.
It does not say "a megacyte" at all, in fact it doesn't give any indication of quantity, except in the description (which doesn't say it's entered by the player)... And in your reference to the old pretend 1 trit equals a CNR scam, at least, when you viewed the contract it said 1 tritanium. That has nothing to do with the point I am making.
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Dawne Xi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.12.11 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Nicocat
Ha ha. Someone got scammed because they bought stuff off a contract with their ******* eyes closed. What do you usually think when you see an item with no quantity? I think "one."
I was not scammed at all, but there are quite a few who have been. And I don't even know how to reply to the rest of your comment since it makes no sense at all.... or would that be one sense?
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Ariel Stardust
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Posted - 2006.12.11 20:36:00 -
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Edited by: Ariel Stardust on 11/12/2006 20:37:05
Why do people confuse design decision with exploit?
People get burned, then want to change the rules of the game to suit themselves. Lawl.
/me continues counting ISK 
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Calio
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.11 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ariel Stardust
Edited by: Ariel Stardust on 11/12/2006 20:37:05
Why do people confuse design decision with exploit?
Because people have a hard time believing such a ****-poor design decision was actually intentional.
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Sillys
Minmatar
The Fellowship of the Fallen
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Posted - 2006.12.11 22:44:00 -
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It would be nice if windows for multiple items became "default".
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.12.11 23:29:00 -
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Contracts replace escrow, they do not replace the need for you to inspect what you're buying.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Redart
Pirates of Destruction Union
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Posted - 2006.12.11 23:59:00 -
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Edited by: Redart on 12/12/2006 00:04:30
Originally by: Calio
Originally by: Ariel Stardust
Edited by: Ariel Stardust on 11/12/2006 20:37:05
Why do people confuse design decision with exploit?
Because people have a hard time believing such a ****-poor design decision was actually intentional.
Just because YOU think it's ****-poor does it really mean it is?
Sorry, I would rather have the chance of being scammed than go play a game like WoW where I'm locked down in everything I do.
Freedom has a price. Live with it or leave.
This was probably put in quite intentionally. Because for 1, only stupid ppl get scammed. Stupid people don't understand markets, stupid ppl therefore screw up markets... moral? Stupid ppl don't deserve money, they will only screw it up.
Survival of the fittest.
Some of these scammers are down right moronic. I was in BP channel the other day getting the word out about one of my contracts and this character who was born back in July comes on selling a Titan BPO. I messed around with him a bit to try and figure out a way to scam him back (nothing wrong with scamming scammers, so bite me). He couldn't even link the BPO and wanted me to send him money first.
If ppl get scammed by ppl like Ridsi, then they really need to just give up on life all together.
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Admiral Pieg
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.12 00:26:00 -
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This is getting quite annoying since you can only get so many contract views per page and right now we have to wade through 99% scams (which are so obvious it hurts)t o find anything, if only we had some sorting optioions (sort by price/ammount etc) this wouldnt be a problem.
Also, is there any way to make the actual contract listings a bit smaller so that you get to see more contracts per page?
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Redart
Pirates of Destruction Union
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Posted - 2006.12.12 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Pieg
This is getting quite annoying since you can only get so many contract views per page and right now we have to wade through 99% scams (which are so obvious it hurts)t o find anything, if only we had some sorting optioions (sort by price/ammount etc) this wouldnt be a problem.
Also, is there any way to make the actual contract listings a bit smaller so that you get to see more contracts per page?
Yes, Yes, Yes, and Yes.
All you mentioned are available. Click More Options.
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr
The Drekla Consortium
Kurai Komichi
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Posted - 2006.12.12 00:54:00 -
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Doesn't it tell you the quantity in the final confirmation window?
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Sorja
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.12.12 01:51:00 -
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This is not a 'bug' but a poor interface.
It is indeed misleading and needs to be changed.
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Dawne Xi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.12.12 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Contracts replace escrow, they do not replace the need for you to inspect what you're buying.
Show me where it tells me quantity of one, and I'll agree - the point is, even upon inspection, it's not obvious all you are buying is one item. And see above before you say "No quantity means one...." because that's BS. It's a bug or poor design or whatever, it's being exploited and needs to be fixed.
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Dawne Xi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.12.12 04:49:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja
This is not a 'bug' but a poor interface.
It is indeed misleading and needs to be changed.
Finally a voice of reason amoungst the, well whatever they are....
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Dawne Xi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.12.12 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: Redart
Edited by: Redart on 12/12/2006 00:48:56
Originally by: Calio
Originally by: Ariel Stardust
Edited by: Ariel Stardust on 11/12/2006 20:37:05
Why do people confuse design decision with exploit?
Because people have a hard time believing such a ****-poor design decision was actually intentional.
Just because YOU think it's ****-poor does it really mean it is?
Sorry, I would rather have the chance of being scammed than go play a game like WoW where I'm locked down in everything I do.
Freedom has a price. Live with it or leave. I'm just smart enough not to pay that price.
This was probably put in quite intentionally. Because for 1, only stupid ppl get scammed. Stupid people don't understand markets, stupid ppl therefore screw up markets... moral? Stupid ppl don't deserve money, they will only screw it up.
Survival of the fittest.
Some of these scammers are down right moronic. I was in BP channel the other day getting the word out about one of my contracts and this character who was born back in July comes on selling a Titan BPO. I messed around with him a bit to try and figure out a way to scam him back (nothing wrong with scamming scammers, so bite me). He couldn't even link the BPO and wanted me to send him money first.
If ppl get scammed by ppl like Ridsi, then they really need to just give up on life all together.
What?
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Moraguth
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Posted - 2006.12.12 05:53:00 -
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I hear ya Dawne. I haven't been scammed, and i'm not likely to be scammed, but it should have a 1 in there. No, not just for the stupid people, and no, not to make this game turn into easy-mode (caldari?) or wow, but because it only makes sense. It should be consistent with the way the rest of it is displayed, and no, to that moron who said "no value obvioulsy means 1" or some such nonsense, it doesn't. It is very misleading when they can put in any quantity they want because it looks legit.
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