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Calsys
Monks of War
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Posted - 2011.12.09 17:44:00 -
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Anne Lou wrote:HNow you must have a pretty good understanding of how I feel, knowing that all of those long hours I spent at first flying all the way from my tidy wormhole to some forgotten station in losec after those fuelblock BPO's, researching them for several days, and manufacturing a 3-months worth of fuel into fuel blocks, only to find out it was all pointless and there is 1.5 months more to do it, and moreover, now I must again fly back to the empire to buy fuel for all that time! Who the hell do you think you are? If you said 2 weeks after BPO seeding - now please go and make a patch so that my tower starts eating fuel blocks, and turn off the regular fuel consuming whenever you wish it to happen. THIS
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Artctura
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
0
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Posted - 2011.12.09 17:46:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:This is horrible.
People who run POS's have been preparing for this. You've screwed over the people who already hate their jobs.
This, this and this.
Seriously, those of you with 2 POS's might not care, but those of us managing 100 POS's now have to figure out how to get another 6 weeks of regular fuel in and distributed.... It simply cannot be that hard to check if there is enough regular fuel in the POS for the next cycle, and if not THEN check if there are fuel block present. Maybe you should give this problem to Team Paperclips. They managed in 3 weeks to make more players in this game happy then the rest of the development teams have in the last year. |
SMX
1
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Posted - 2011.12.09 17:47:00 -
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Soundwave your message is confusing and I cannot find a clear answer to this anywhere else. You say on January the 24th they will be consuming fuel blocks exclusively, to add to that I can already put fuel blocks in the fuel bays. Does that mean the control towers are already capable of using both fuel blocks and the old individual fuel items now? If so then I don't see the problem, if not why don't you make it so they will use both types of fuel untill then?
Edit: typo. |
Lady PimpStar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.09 17:49:00 -
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Can we use the fuel blocks sooner or revert fuel blocks into real pos fuel at a refinery for those that already moved fuel blocks in? |
Sollac Krieg
Goats Unlimited
0
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Posted - 2011.12.09 17:49:00 -
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think this is a bit wrong even though its posted in advance.
I agree initially a time span of 2 weeks from patch day was given, CCP move the goal posts for the minority yet again....
However things change, sorry to see some things sound the same....
Oh well back to jita for more normal fuels, so much for being prepared |
The Economist
Logically Consistent
9
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Posted - 2011.12.09 17:59:00 -
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Artctura wrote:Zagdul wrote:This is horrible.
People who run POS's have been preparing for this. You've screwed over the people who already hate their jobs.
This, this and this. Seriously, those of you with 2 POS's might not care, but those of us managing 100 POS's now have to figure out how to get another 6 weeks of regular fuel in and distributed.... It simply cannot be that hard to check if there is enough regular fuel in the POS for the next cycle, and if not THEN check if there are fuel block present. Maybe you should give this problem to Team Paperclips. They managed in 3 weeks to make more players in this game happy then the rest of the development teams have in the last year.
All this. |
Axe Coldon
Coldon Enterprises IMPERIAL LEGI0N
0
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Posted - 2011.12.09 18:06:00 -
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I don't see all the fuss. Fuel as you have been doing since the beginning of time, and put in 1 weeks worth of blocks.
The only people upset I can see are the ones that already converted all their pos fuel to blocks. I being a procrastinator was waiting for the last minute, so i am good.
Those of us that make fuel, we can just keep making it. and covert any to blocks after the transition.
At least we have a firm date now. That is helpful. Stop Whining! Embrace the joy that is Fuel Blocks! A year from now you will wonder how you did it any other way. Competition will drive the price so low over cost that a lot of people will just pick up fuel blocks in jita instead of the hassle of making their own.... |
Killarock
BOAE INC
0
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Posted - 2011.12.09 18:15:00 -
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Seems CCP cant win...
If they rush this out everyone rages...
If they hold it back to when their programmers are back off the holiday to fix any possible bugs, everyone rages...
what the hell do you people want ccp to do?
Since CCP has a history of blundering into decisions at the last minute and causing major problems, this seems like the best idea... It is only painful if you didnt keep a supply of normal POS fuels... which are whats required to make the blocks... so if you didnt... you werent expecting CCP bugs... and we always seem to get some bug...
I've seen gates disappear, ships flying backwards, velocity displays not working, warp to options killed and many other things... whoever thought things would go without a hitch at short notice needs their head examined |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
341
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Posted - 2011.12.09 18:21:00 -
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I was beginning to wonder when a date would be announced.
I can't say I'm pleased with the delay, and by the looks of it, neither is anyone else.
Wish I hadn't just started that fuel block production run... I'm gonna need to go buy more raw **** again.
P.S. Don't forget to plaster the announcement every single possible place you can in game. There are way too many people who don't bother to read the forums or login screens or dev blogs or evemail or anything else with words on it. Your best bet would be a pop-up window that opens the next time you open a POS fuel bay. This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |
Pyro Miner
Dutch Powerrr
0
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Posted - 2011.12.09 18:25:00 -
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Lady PimpStar wrote:Can we use the fuel blocks sooner or revert fuel blocks into real pos fuel at a refinery for those that already moved fuel blocks in?
wel if i rememebr corectly from ccp responds before ya can refine the blocks back to original feultype with no loss ,, that is if ya at a high eff refinery and ya got the skils to do it
for me this isnt a big deal as i have both types still, but i can see the horror for the big players and wh ppl
also yust got vacation so was hoping to hunt down some ofl towers ;o
ooh wel another badly handled thinghy from ccp, should have date rdy when ya launched the feulbpo's [IMG]http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b274/pyronl/sigfire.png[/IMG] |
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uglybass
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
6
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Posted - 2011.12.09 18:26:00 -
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Killarock wrote:Seems CCP cant win...
If they rush this out everyone rages...
If they hold it back to when their programmers are back off the holiday to fix any possible bugs, everyone rages...
If you didnt notice, they rage because previously anounced 2 weeks is now 2 months.
Only thing I cant understand is how hard it can be to implement dual fuel system, ofc in large projects with hasty implementation makes code much more difficult to manage....still... I think I can provide you a pseudocode for dual fuel: IF fuelblockPresent() THEN {insert new fuel system here} ELSE {insert old fuel system here} END IF.
there you go. you can prolly pretty much copy & paste new fuel system from old one, just strip extra items and change itemID. [insert more sarcasm here...]
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Konshu
V.I.C.E. The Lostboys
0
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Posted - 2011.12.09 18:27:00 -
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Yeah...thanks a lot....2 weeks does not equal 2 months. I already converted all my pos fuel reserves to fuel blocks on the announcement that it'd happen in 2 weeks. And with the announcement of fuel bays now being able to hold fuel blocks, I had no reason to think we weren't following the original 2 week plan. Now i have to go pay stupid high prices to rebuy the standard fuel, because i only have enough of that left for a week or so....
Another Fail |
aetherguy881
Malformed Entity
1
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Posted - 2011.12.09 18:32:00 -
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Thanks for letting us know when they're switching!
About the snakes... Stay calm and keep the wound below your heard. Lowering circulation (mild tourniquet, we don't want the whole arm off) reduces the chance that the venom will circulate within your body. |
Smiska Grizzel
Happy Empire Pubbie Corp
0
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Posted - 2011.12.09 18:43:00 -
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Fantastic! I bought BPOs as soon as they were ready, researched them, and then flew them out the the end of nowhere. There I turned most of my painfully-imported fuel reserves into fuel blocks so that I was ready for the switch before the holidays.
Now it turns out that I won't have enough 'old' fuel to last until New Year's, so I get to waste a bunch of time transporting fuel across the galaxy before the holidays.
Thanks for loads of warning, CCP. |
Lili Lu
50
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Posted - 2011.12.09 18:54:00 -
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Smiska Grizzel wrote:Fantastic! I bought BPOs as soon as they were ready, researched them, and then flew them out the the end of nowhere. There I turned most of my painfully-imported fuel reserves into fuel blocks so that I was ready for the switch before the holidays.
Now it turns out that I won't have enough 'old' fuel to last until New Year's, so I get to waste a bunch of time transporting fuel across the galaxy before the holidays.
Thanks for loads of warning, CCP. Well now that was your mistake. Seriously, did noone see this coming? A change of this magnitude to a very important component of the game was bound to experience delays. Anyone who converted all or most of their fuel to blocks was not thinking straight.
And, stop crying about having to haul more fuel. Yes you will have to now but you will have a stockpile for later so no big loss. |
Ampoliros
Aperture Harmonics K162
4
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Posted - 2011.12.09 18:56:00 -
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I had horrifying visions of this happening, and turns out i was right. Go figure.
As many other people have said, by announcing the date as two weeks and switching it you've completely screwed a lot of us who have tried to get ready and have been converting large percentages of our stocks. At least caution kept me from converting everything I had, as I knew there was no way on earth this was going to go through without a hitch...
Anyhow, I'm suspecting you're going to leave the date as-is at this point. I'd like to say that whomever was handling this at CCP has managed to turn what should have been a fairly positive change for POS owners into a series of miserable logistics nightmares - between getting BPOs, getting labs, and producing/moving fuel blocks - and now we have to go obtain more fuel to cover our towers until the transition date.
This date should have been set before the patch even went live. |
Rong Targets
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
7
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Posted - 2011.12.09 18:59:00 -
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As a owner of multiple pos, after hearing this update I must say. Thank you very much for the tip on snake bite, it will proven useful in the future. |
Konshu
V.I.C.E. The Lostboys
0
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Posted - 2011.12.09 18:59:00 -
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Lili Lu wrote:Smiska Grizzel wrote:Fantastic! I bought BPOs as soon as they were ready, researched them, and then flew them out the the end of nowhere. There I turned most of my painfully-imported fuel reserves into fuel blocks so that I was ready for the switch before the holidays.
Now it turns out that I won't have enough 'old' fuel to last until New Year's, so I get to waste a bunch of time transporting fuel across the galaxy before the holidays.
Thanks for loads of warning, CCP. Well now that was your mistake. Seriously, did noone see this coming? A change of this magnitude to a very important component of the game was bound to experience delays. Anyone who converted all or most of their fuel to blocks was not thinking straight. And, stop crying about having to haul more fuel. Yes you will have to now but you will have a stockpile for later so no big loss.
I'll cover 2 things here....1) I did prepare for problems..i kept a couple weeks worth of fuel in raw form just in case....not 7 weeks.
2) Fuel prices are crazy right now with the Gallente ice issue and the changes to PI. So 'just running out and buying 4-5 weeks of fuel is NOT going to help me with 'bigger reserves later' |
Slumber
Aperture Harmonics K162
0
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:03:00 -
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Very disappointed in the time delay for the switch over. Your screwing those who live in WH space and were ready for the original timeline. |
NUXI7
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
87
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:07:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote: On a slightly related note, here is a quick piece of wildlife advice that could save you or a loved one: If bitten by a snake, avoid attempting to suck out the poison from the wound, like seen in movies.
Well of course this doesn't work, there isn't any poison in the wound ;) |
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NUXI7
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
87
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:08:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote: On a slightly related note, here is a quick piece of wildlife advice that could save you or a loved one: If bitten by a snake, avoid attempting to suck out the poison from the wound, like seen in movies..
Well of course that doesn't work, there isn't any poison in the wound to remove...
Double posted cause the forums sent back an error the first time, but apparently posted it anyway.... |
RDevz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:09:00 -
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You couldn't have announced the switchover date would be six weeks after the BPOs were seeded before you seeded the BPOs and told everyone that the fuel switchover date would be a couple of weeks after the BPOs were seeded? Is joined-up thinking is short supply in Iceland? |
Karia Sur
Hedion University Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:19:00 -
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great, all but 2 weeks of my fuel is already turned into blocks which now means im going to have to buy/mine more to get me to the 24th....wish you'd make your mind up or at least not say things which you then decide to change. |
Artctura
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
0
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:20:00 -
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Lili Lu wrote:Smiska Grizzel wrote:Fantastic! I bought BPOs as soon as they were ready, researched them, and then flew them out the the end of nowhere. There I turned most of my painfully-imported fuel reserves into fuel blocks so that I was ready for the switch before the holidays.
Now it turns out that I won't have enough 'old' fuel to last until New Year's, so I get to waste a bunch of time transporting fuel across the galaxy before the holidays.
Thanks for loads of warning, CCP. Well now that was your mistake. Seriously, did noone see this coming? A change of this magnitude to a very important component of the game was bound to experience delays. Anyone who converted all or most of their fuel to blocks was not thinking straight. And, stop crying about having to haul more fuel. Yes you will have to now but you will have a stockpile for later so no big loss.
Do you have any idea how much fuel 100 pos's go through and what it costs? You do realize the effects of the current system is driving fuel prices up, and will continue to do so. Couple this with the dramatic and unexpected increase in customs office taxes and now you're making fuel prices unpredictable.
The market is a fragile sandbox. We had people blowing up billions and probably trillions of isk of ships in protest of CCP "potentially" breaking the market over the whole Aurum and monocle thing. The timing of this, coupled with previous statements means that those who dutifully went around and filled their POS's and converted their fuel are getting screwed. Yes, they will be able to use that fuel later, but the cost per hour of running a POS is going to be significantly higher as a result of this change because of all the fuel that is now locked up and out of the system.
Look at it this way, 1. The supply of fuel is down because players simply stopped doing PI with the new tax rates. 2. Those that didn't have raised their PI product costs to cover the costs of gantries or the new taxes. 3. A *LOT* of fuel has been converted into blocks.
As a result of 1,2 and 3, there is less fuel on the market. Now I have to either buy more regular fuel or melt my blocks. Further, since we we're ALL led to believe that this was a change that was going to happen next week, there is now a huge shortage of regular fuel locally. Most POS's are fueled on a cycle of around 25-28 days. That means that only about 30% of the POS's in the game will require fuel next week. But because players have already started shifting regular fuel out for blocks, CCP basically set the end of life on regular fuel as next week. I'd bet that right now in game, 50-60% of the POS's will need fuel by the 17th of December. CCP has basically created the perfect storm of market forces on this market, and done so by basically telling everyone that DID listen to the original messages and prepared that they now have 4 days to undo all that preparation only to have to redo it in 6 weeks.
Is this the end of the world? No. But it is causing a ton of volatility in a market simply because CCP cannot provide clear direction in a market area that is already a mess and frankly the least completely rewarding thing in all of the game. I'd bet that 99% of the people that handle this do it because they have to, not because they enjoy moving green boxes. And now they've made these same player's lives harder simply because they can't provide either the ability to dual run fuels (which frankly amazes me) or a clear message on when such a major change is coming.
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Cole Ontor
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
0
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:29:00 -
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Would make ccp look better if they compensate every1 with starbase roles 4mill sp for this mess |
Dallas Makanen
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:29:00 -
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So glad, so very, very glad, that I bought all of the fuel and just shoved it into a couple of offline corporate hangars without doing anything with it until we were given an explicit date now. :) |
Bald is Bald
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:33:00 -
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CCP Prism X wrote:Why are you tackling these inconsequential survival myths? What about drinking my own urine? I should be drinking my own urine while the snake bites me, right?! The short answer to that is that he is part of the problem and likes to **** in ppls faces while he still can.
The bit longer answer includes a few more things, in no particular order of importance:
Ghostcrawler does something similar too, if you have been paying attention. Not that that waste of humanity is worth idolizing or imitating.
Once a goon, or rather once a 'somethingawful',...
Sidenote is naturally that this was posted in GD, not Information Portal as a blog. Even SI would have been more appropriate than GD.
That shitbit, as I prefer to call it, is a information warfare tactic that is indicative of hostility/contempt toward the playerbase, particularly the forumusers, further adding to the circumstantial evidence that he is part of the problem, besides all the attitude problems he has.
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Karia Sur
Hedion University Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:34:00 -
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i have to admit ive not tried this as i heard someone in local say you cant, but can you reprocess them? |
Zeusini
Shen's Heroes Fade 2 Black
0
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:36:00 -
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CCP Being F'n A$$ Clowns yet Again!!!
You guys should NOT be changing the date. Most of us have complied and are ready for the original date. Hell, got 3 months worth and the BPO's ME done too.
You guys SHOULD allow the POS's to use either Fuel and then only FB on the 24th of Jan. We are ready NOW, so for all though's that have prepped for the original date, we should not have to suffer for being ready.
SO CCP, MAKE THE POS's ALLOW FOR BOTH FUEL BLOCKS AND PI FUELS TO BE USED UNTIL THE 24th of Jan.
If Anyone thinks this is Reasonable and Fair to All, Please show your support on this and then MAYBE CCP will make this change!
SHOW YOUR SUPPORT PEOPLE, IT IS THE ONLY WAY CCP WILL LISTEN! |
Don Dark
x13 Raiden.
2
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:37:00 -
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this is some proper BUllshit .. they told us it would be Set to go live 2 weeks after the release of the Bpo's .. ive setup my personal poses to run out of fuel witnin Said week of expected release and converting all the other fuel to blocks .. and now your telling me i need to buy More regular fuel cause you felt like delaying this
Sorry to say but im Just about there with ccp .. im sick and tired |
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