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I've been out of the logistics loop for awhile, since every time I got within 100km of a POS I've wanted to suck the end of a .45.

However, IIRC, CCP mentioned they were going to do a hybrid system so a POS could consume both regular fuel and fuel blocks for a limited time period.

Today, talking to my masochistic friends that currently do logistics, I find out this isn't the case. I was wondering what all the fuss was, and now I know.


CCP is handling this in the worst possible way. At least set up some sort of hybrid system so people can convert to fuel blocks easily. You're being absolutely ******* ******** about this.

**sigh** you were told wrong.

they were NEVER going to be consuming both types, they just made it so that you could put both types into your fuel bay. so it would consume normal fuels until the change-over, and fuel blocks afterwards.

and to quote an earlier response, yes, Goon tears... oh so sweet.

Yeah, CCP made it harder on the players rather than do a small bit of coding. Sure, np, make the player move materials twice rather than have to think for a bit.

POS code is stupidly fragile

and there we have it... roughshod code development produced shoddy code.

On a slightly related note, here is a quick piece of wildlife advice that could save you or a loved one: If bitten by a snake, avoid attempting to suck out the poison from the wound, like seen in movies. YouGÇÖll remove insignificant quantities of poison, while transferring bacteria to the wound and subjecting yourself to the risk of getting poisoned. Instead, call for help and arrange transport to the nearest hospital emergency room. Like with bears, the safest bet is staying away from poisonous snakes in the first place.

This is incorrect, there is only one poisonous snake I am aware of , the tiger keelback snake, Rhabdophis tigrinus which sequesters it's poison from eating toads. Poisonous generally refers to things which will kill you if you eat them, such as mushrooms, toads, and cheap prostitutes.

There are however many VENOMOUS snakes for which your advice is sound.

Has there been an update on the consumption of fuel blocks per hour for the various POS sizes ? All I can see is that it is still 1/2/4 per hour for small/medium/large towers. Is that still the case ?

Right now I am abit lost in the calculation of future fuel consumption.

In the fuel block description they talk about 10/20/40 per hour. Not 1/2/4 per hour. I did the rough math, but when it is 40 per hour, then fuel prices will raise by about 400% ?

Right now I have 4500 fuel blocks
40 blocks per hour x 24h = 960 blocks a day
960 blocks a day x 7 days = 6720 blocks per week

My 4500 blocks will maybe last abit more than 5 days

Checking the market 4500 blocks fly for about 79 mill. This is 9.87% over market price...sure abit expensive right now....

I think before I payed about 150 mill for about 1 month of fuel and if I had to buy it? Something?

Hopefully my calc has some errors or the Fuel Block description has a typo.

Oh Oh! I think I will knock all towers down! Get them out

1 run off the BPO makes 40 blocks. So the inputs listed make 40 blocks. The inputs listed are similar to the current inputs for a large POS for 1 hour. The new fuel requirements for a Large POS for 1 hour is 40 blocks.

Small POSes get a boost due to using less robotics. Nearly empty and unevenly CPU/PG POSes are getting a little more expensive.

Call the doctor, I think I have deja vu all over again


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Agin

(You last paid 150m a month for a large POS around ~2 years ago)

Right now the price for an Amarr Fuel Block is about 18.500 ISK on the market (~0% under/ over market price)

Doing my math again

Calculation Fuel Costs (large tower):

Large Tower:
40 Fuel blocks per hour x 24h a day = 960 fuel blocks a day
960 fuel blocks a day x 7 days a week = 6720 fuel blocks a week
6720 fuel blocks a week x 4 weeks = 26.880 fuel blocks a month

Right now the price for an Amarr Fuel Block is about 18.500 ISK on the market (~0% under/ over market price)

18.500 ISK x 960 Fuel Blocks a day = 1.776.000 ISK a day
x one week = 124.320.000 ISK a week
x 4 weeks = 497.280.000 ISK a month (in words 497.28 MILL ISK)

Fuel consumption based on tower size per month:

Large Tower per month: 497.200.000 ISK a month
Medium Tower per month: 248.640.000 ISK a month
Small Tower per month: 124.320.000 ISK a month

uhhm

Did anyone realize yet, that this is actually a step backwards?

You still need all the different items to fuel a tower, but on top of that you have to build something out of it before it works!
(or you pay someone else to do so, by buying blocks directly)

Actually: No, it isnt.

It is the best improvement with the current Starbase system.

Fueling Towers is now a nobrainer: Fill Amarr Fuel Blocks into Amarr Towers, end of story.

Ok, you still have to haul 140.000 m^3 per month/Tower

Those who can read, have a clear advantage.

You either pay a fee for someone to build it (=buy in market) or build it yourself.

So where is this an improvement now?!

How many POSes do you maintain?

A large tower holds 28000 blocks, which is 29D 4H. Guess CCP figures that is close enough to 30 days.

We were actually tuning towards 28 days, plus a day or so of "slop room", on the basis that having your refuelling job for a given tower always fall on the same day of the week should make for a more user-friendly schedule.

More userfriendly would be: Reduce the fuel block size to 10% so we dont have to haul 140k of **** per month...
from station to Assembly array, back to station and then to the Tower.

So again, where is the improvement?

It-¦s just added work, or cost, or both.