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Derrios
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:18:00 -
[61]
I vote more LARPing ! ----------------------------------------------- I got something to put in you. at the *** bar. |

Levin Cavil
Omniscient Order The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:47:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Derrios I vote more LARPing !
200mil and you can keep posting. ---------- Eve is balanced: Caldari have to train Rails Minmatar have to train Missiles Gallente have to train Drones Amarr have to train Caldari |

Tsurako
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Posted - 2006.12.13 20:11:00 -
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Edited by: Tsurako on 13/12/2006 20:11:39 Heads should roll.
Either SJ should do the decent thing (if he's actually got it in him, which I strongly doubt) and walk, or CCP should yank EVE-TV's funding. Otherwise, CCP is basically endorsing by proxy the BoB/SJ tactics of "If we can't beat them in game, we'll just con, bad-mouth and otherwise bully people out-of-game and force them to quit".
I feel an article for Terra Nova coming on....
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Tecam Hund
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.12.13 20:21:00 -
[64]
No.
Spiral made a bad move by posting ASCN private forums screenshot. Maybe he lost some respect as an eve player, but what does this have to do with him being an EVE-TV host?
He did a great job, and I want him to continue.
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Auman
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 20:52:00 -
[65]
No. I thought he did an excellent job in the latest broadcast and i'm looking forward to the next one. In a weeks time no one will be talking about this.
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Rift Scorn
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 21:27:00 -
[66]
Give Spiral a break, sheesh!
He apologized, it's called being human. Yet the ASCN whiners are baying for blood.
You've already instigated a Witch hunt DorkStar BP. Good one. Trying to strip EvE-TV of it's head people that have for all intents & purposes given up a LOT of their private time to bring something to the community that has not been seen before in an MMO community. Get over it. Both Spial and Ifni did a stand up job, and arm chair critics like you don't have a leg to stand on asking for 'resignations'. You put on an ASCN-TV broadcast of anyting near the quality that thes guys did and i'll happily apologize for the obvious lslight that i must ahve caused you by simply not agreeing with you.
I don't know SJ, i've never had any contact with him in-game or out, but i've spent a good bit of time chatting to Ifni through his time in BNC, and he was ALWAYS well informed and took matters in his stride with a highly professional attitude, and it looks like that hasn't changed so how about reading what he actually wrote and try and remember that yours isn't the only opinion that matters. And as for Ifni being 'pro' bob just cos he's obviously been in BoB before, think again, we've shot at each other - a fair bit in fact. Strangley though, it's kept civil.
Keep up the good work fellas, and if all these people do actually boy-cott EvE-TV next time round. Yay for me, less buffering.
Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03 |

Darkstar BP
Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ifni
So it's a case of "Agree with me or you're out forever"? Your dislike for BOB is blinding you to what I'm saying. Part of the reason I'm no longer in BOB was due to my views on the BOB team at the 2nd tournament, I simply didn't follow the company line, so to speak.
You, and alot of your fellow ASCN pilots, seem intent on bashing spiral because he posted something. If it was a nameless/faceless alt you would scream the same, but there would be no one to direct it at, and yet, you seem more upset that someone stole CYVOK's post than the fact that he himself is leaving as the head of your alliance.
Personally, I've never met him. He's run ASCN for a long time, so I have to respect his abilities as a leader. Beyond that I simply don't care. What we spoke about on EVETV was simply forum ramblings. We threw bias towards everyone and some took it as it was meant to be taken (/me tickles Jasmine). Others, however, took it as a personal afront and started a rant and rage about it.
If you truly feel that I and my post have made life slightly more unbearable for you, then I suggest you come to lower Syndicate, where we can duke it out. Hell, I'll even send an invite to spiral. That way you can try to add some weight to your words.
Alternatively you can read what I posted, and realise that out of those posting, it is almost solely ASCN pilots who have a problem with his post.
How difficult is it to read my post???
I took issue with the following remark you made:
Originally by: Ifni
I know spiral's main isn't in ASCN, so has anyone stopped to consider that maybe someone inside ASCN leaked this first?
I did not have an issue with your Eve-TV reporting. I did not voice any opinion on spiral. I had an issue with the fact that you started to try and spin this right away. By suggesting somehow that this was about ASCN leaks.
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Darkstar BP
Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Rift Scorn
You've already instigated a Witch hunt DorkStar BP. Good one. Trying to strip EvE-TV of it's head people that have for all intents & purposes given up a LOT of their private time to bring something to the community that has not been seen before in an MMO community. Get over it.
Can you read Rift Scorn??????
Ifni launched insinuations he should not have launched without backing them up with facts. Insinuations where spiral had gotten his information.
I asked him whether HE wanted a witch hunt. I think it would be wiser for him to lay low on this and not throw out tinfoil hat suggestions what may or may not have happened. Read it man, how difficult can it be?
However if Ifni further chooses to be part of the debate, I definitely won't stop him. If he keeps his insinuations to himself, then I think it would be better for him, for us and for the debate here.
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Rift Scorn
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Darkstar BP We don't need you around either if you continue like this.
Looks to me like you already started your witch hunt.
Originally by: Darkstar BP
Can you read Rift Scorn??????
Yeah, can read just fine thanks, and i don't feel the urge to question anyone elses ability to either. Good arguement there, i thought BOB were meant to be the 14 yr olds?
So, Ifni can't stand stand up for his friend and co-worker and express his opinion because 'ohnoes!' you think it might be better for him to lay low? Thats a bit pretencious isn't it. You've got no dice.... Nothing/Nadda/Zip. Get over it already. Put your toys back in your Pram, and A) take Ifni up on his generous offer extended for you to go to Syndicate B) realize that your point of view isn't agreed on by all, and neither will it ever be or C) CNTRL-Q in rage at a game that is obviously in a 'downward spiral' that strangely most people seem to enjoy.
Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03 |

Athelas Loraiel
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Posted - 2006.12.13 22:21:00 -
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He should leave.
His posts, as well as discussions lean very heavy pro BoB that it's so funny to expect what's next he has to say.
Talk about neutral observator...
That's not how it's done. Ever.
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Darkstar BP
Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Rift Scorn
Looks to me like you already started your witch hunt.
No I didn't. I understand that you try to squash the issue by defending Ifni, and derailing the discussion that Ifni and I were having. He didn't address my question, just a vague invite to come to Syndicate and 'duke it out'. Well he should know better: we're pretty tied up in AZN at the momemt. He also sidestepped the issue I raised: so we'll continue on:
Why did Ifni make the original insinuations about ASCN members as a defense for Spiral? What does that have to do with the main issue at hand? Why the 'spin'? Why used 'CCP-sanctioned' accounts for that?
Note: The witch hunt is for spiral junkie in another thread. We'll see how well he burns. I have not taken part in that and I don't intend to.
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DoctorGonzo
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 23:24:00 -
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People need to get some perspective.
spiralJunkie's ability to host EvE TV has absolutely nothing to do with him leaking the fact that CYVOK was about to leave EvE. Yeah it was a pretty daft thing to do, especially using the SJ Character instead of his main, but it has no bearing on his ability as a host. Also don't forget that outside of EvE TV he's just another player.
Besides how many viewers did EvE TV have during the last championship and how many of them give two hoots whether CYVOK plays EvE or not? I bet half of them don't even know who CYVOK is!
So, to the ASCN guys, give it a bloody rest û youÆre blowing this waaayyy out of proportion.
Originally by: Blacklight I think Madeye and CRYVOK have delusions of adequacy!
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Zerging
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.14 00:47:00 -
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While he might do a great job at EVETV. The character and the attitude someone puts forth is in question. He posted something he should have never done and he got caught. His character is now tarnished, and as someone who enjoys EVE and a person who also makes mistakes I can understand mishaps happen.
But this was not a simple mistake, this clearly shows the TYPE of person behind the keyboard. I don't tolerate and associate myself with people like that in real life, and be dammed if I will support someone like this who promoted himself as a community spokes person for EVE through EVETV.
People say ôbig dealö this would not have happen if it was posted by an alt. You know what? Your rights because there would be know way of identifying and finding out who he was. But that is not the case, he got caught peaking through the window, and if you do the crimeà you do time....
I don't know about all of you, but if I am looking for someone to not only help promoted EVE in general and further grow the community and game which is what EVETV does, how can you honestly put faith and support in someone like this to do it for you.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2006.12.14 01:37:00 -
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Originally by: Zerging While he might do a great job at EVETV. The character and the attitude someone puts forth is in question. He posted something he should have never done and he got caught. His character is now tarnished, and as someone who enjoys EVE and a person who also makes mistakes I can understand mishaps happen.
But this was not a simple mistake, this clearly shows the TYPE of person behind the keyboard. I don't tolerate and associate myself with people like that in real life, and be dammed if I will support someone like this who promoted himself as a community spokes person for EVE through EVETV.
People say ôbig dealö this would not have happen if it was posted by an alt. You know what? Your rights because there would be know way of identifying and finding out who he was. But that is not the case, he got caught peaking through the window, and if you do the crimeà you do time....
I don't know about all of you, but if I am looking for someone to not only help promoted EVE in general and further grow the community and game which is what EVETV does, how can you honestly put faith and support in someone like this to do it for you.
People interview Istvaan to promote this game, personally I'd not trust him to flush the toilet for me...
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spiralJunkie
Minmatar EveTV
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Posted - 2006.12.14 02:32:00 -
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Halloes! I just got back home from Iceland, boy was that fun.
The 'SJ needs to quit' thing has been done to death, and isn't somerthing we need to keepo talkiing about. I'm sure if CCP wish to do so they will do so, and if they don't, they won't.
What i'd like to address is this alleged BoB bias I seem to have been labelled with.
I'm not pro-bob, i'm not anti ASCN. My comments during both tournaments have reflected this. I poke fun at ASCN, I poke fun at BoB. If you want to ask people who got **** off me, ask Morsus Mihi. Ask Burn Eden. Ask Levin the Larper.
What I did was wrong about the post, but like I said, that's been done to death in the last 24 hours. I'm not biased. Quite frankly, and I mean this in the nicest possible way guys, cos I know Bobbits have been really supportive during spiralGate, but if BoB crashed tomorrow and ASCN trampled over them victorious, I'd raise a cheer.
You're upset because I did something wrong and I can't go back and undo it. But dont use it as an excuse to call into question any bias I have while doing my work. There is no bias. If you want better things said about your team, and this applies to EVERYONE, win more, or entertain more. _
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0Virtu0
Amarr Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.14 02:38:00 -
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No, it's not time for a new host since spiralJunkie does his job just fine.
You ASCN whiners need to find something else to emo out on because your glorious leader stepped down, he is NOT your scapegoat. Also, has it been mentioned 15 times yet that it isn't even his screenshot? (it was posted on IRC many times before he put it on the forums)
He even apologized for more than he should have, if he even needed to apologize at all, so if you all still feel the need for a witch hunt, get over yourselves and stop posting drivel like this on the forums.
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August Personage
Caldari Clarf Inc
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Posted - 2006.12.14 02:38:00 -
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spiral for presidente tbh
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GO MaZ
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.14 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: 0Virtu0 Also, has it been mentioned 15 times yet that it isn't even his screenshot? (it was posted on IRC many times before he put it on the forums)
But there's BoB ops in there, its obviously a BoB-Biased channel 
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Xyliana
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Posted - 2006.12.14 02:56:00 -
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Have I completely missed something? Okay when did we become BOB-TV and it would not happen on my watch. Not that I am against Band of Brothers at all, even though I do joke about "hating bob". The fact of the matter is that Ascendant Frontier had some amazing matches last July, was basically my favorite team of the whole tourney. This is coming from someone that is generally not a fan of large alliances or the politics around CAOD, I can say that I never really paid much attention to that section. Have a lot of interest in Alliance news however its just not a resource I like to get my news from.
I can tell you a thousand times that I do not pick favorites, that I am not Pro-Bob or Anti-Bob. I know about as many Bob Pilots as I do any other alliance I have some across. And when cheering in my little control booth during EveTv I base it on which matches I found entertaining.
You can call EVETV bias, maybe I am. Maybe I want to give "passionate" players the chance to come to Iceland, have the time of their life and commentate/expert on EVETV. Everyone had a chance to apply to EVETV this time round. Farjung who is a player I have known for years (and in the workload of EVETV I didnÆt even realize he joined Bob), he was chosen because of his playing experience, enthusiasm and completing the lengthy application process. I never look at whoÆs flying with who and let that influence my votes.
People play the game in different ways, have different interestsà if the rest of EVETV team was such a fluffy recovering care bear miner like myself you probably fall asleep.
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Marodi Alivar
SUBLIME L.L.C. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.14 03:39:00 -
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Originally by: Xyliana You can call EVETV bias, maybe I am. Maybe I want to give "passionate" players the chance to come to Iceland, have the time of their life and commentate/expert on EVETV. Everyone had a chance to apply to EVETV this time round. Farjung who is a player I have known for years (and in the workload of EVETV I didnÆt even realize he joined Bob), he was chosen because of his playing experience, enthusiasm and completing the lengthy application process. I never look at whoÆs flying with who and let that influence my votes.
It's not the alliance that did it. It's how HE PERSONALLY did it. He took a very personal article that reached into real life, ridiculed it, and only apologized because of the mob demanding it which makes him not truely sorry.
Creating the thread with the wrong character, then knowingly changing the title to something that mods had to censor due to it's insulting-ness is just wrong.
Having someone like that as a host just portrays the same image to the production as a whole, regardless of accuracy, that it's alright to take a game beyond what it is and insult the actual person himself and make a mockery of him on a forum viewed by thousands.
How would you (generally) like your personal life thrown on a forum and be mocked. That's what's wrong with what he did. It transcends the game.
And THAT is why he shouldn't be host. Because he has no sense of morality, ethics, or common sense. Any of those would have prevented this whole fiasco.
Hopefully that makes sense and not rambling.
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Xyliana
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Posted - 2006.12.14 03:41:00 -
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Edited by: Xyliana on 14/12/2006 03:46:04 no where in my post was I commenting on spiralJunkies mistake. I am generally going on the few comments in the tourney about EVETV favoring some alliances over others.
In addition. One persons mistake can not justify someones morals, spiralJunkie has put so much into EVETV. He has put his life on hold working months as an essential part of the production. I am not in the position to start joining this thread commenting on the situation. I have however been eve mailed about it, which I more than happy to read through and discuss EVETV with anyone that feels as though EVETV has been offensive in someway. Convo me anytime if you like.
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fuze
Gallente Chosen Path Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.14 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: spiralJunkie
You're upset because I did something wrong and I can't go back and undo it. But dont use it as an excuse to call into question any bias I have while doing my work. There is no bias. If you want better things said about your team, and this applies to EVERYONE, win more, or entertain more.
SJ, you used bad judgement several times. If your main is in BoB why keep it from the Eve-tv viewers? If you were candind about this I wouldn't have a problem accepting it.
Also the fact that the viewers question was won by someone from BoB (Kipkruide) is enough reason for mr Spock to raise an eyebrow. Most probably coincidence though.
As for the formentioned post. Its just unbelievable not allowing someone to say goodbye in a nice fashion and ruining it totally. Its nasty, unneeded and very unprofessional.
But the biggest mistake is not to check who you're posting with. If you want to keep your alts/mains secret just do a better job. Writing an excuse doesn't put you off the hook IMHO.
Its OK for your fellow Bobbits to back you up but this is really about you failing to be professional. And you now can undo your mistakes by quitting from Eve-tv. There should be more well spoken scruffy looking people in Eve who can be the host.
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Laythun
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.14 09:03:00 -
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SJ in all honesty shouldnt have bothered with the apology at all.
ASCN are looking for a scapegoat for all their troubles and thats pretty sad if u ask me.
CEI's own Undercover Brother It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö |

Earthan
Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik
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Posted - 2006.12.14 09:15:00 -
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SJ lead last tournament on eve tv great, i dont see why anyone should even consider changing him.
Eve tv was great.
The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
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Kamikazi ONE
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Posted - 2006.12.14 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Chrysalis D'lilth Sports Commentators usually had alot of involvement and often even played for previous clubs - They'll discuss teams strengths/weakness and are chosen because of their expert knowledge, not because of impartiality.
Are they unbiased ? heck no, quite often you'll hear them joking about rooting for their favorite teams.
Why are you trying to hold SJ to standards that aren't even seen on prime time sports TV?
Scape goat is what comes to mind...
The major difference here is that with sports comentators is that you know there history and allegences, and that is often a main reason for them being hired.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.14 09:51:00 -
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Spiral should stay!  -----
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.14 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: fuze
Originally by: spiralJunkie
You're upset because I did something wrong and I can't go back and undo it. But dont use it as an excuse to call into question any bias I have while doing my work. There is no bias. If you want better things said about your team, and this applies to EVERYONE, win more, or entertain more.
SJ, you used bad judgement several times. If your main is in BoB why keep it from the Eve-tv viewers? If you were candind about this I wouldn't have a problem accepting it.
Also the fact that the viewers question was won by someone from BoB (Kipkruide) is enough reason for mr Spock to raise an eyebrow. Most probably coincidence though.
As for the formentioned post. Its just unbelievable not allowing someone to say goodbye in a nice fashion and ruining it totally. Its nasty, unneeded and very unprofessional.
But the biggest mistake is not to check who you're posting with. If you want to keep your alts/mains secret just do a better job. Writing an excuse doesn't put you off the hook IMHO.
Its OK for your fellow Bobbits to back you up but this is really about you failing to be professional. And you now can undo your mistakes by quitting from Eve-tv. There should be more well spoken scruffy looking people in Eve who can be the host.
He's not in BoB. Nor is he in one of our allied alliances.

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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.12.14 11:25:00 -
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Oh man, I feel a massive Shin Ra post coming on the Cryvok issue later today.
In the mean time, all I'll say is: WTS t2 tissues
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GOLDEN LAMB
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Posted - 2006.12.14 12:07:00 -
[89]
No he should stay.
Seriously, are these ASCN guys just BoB alts to make ASCN look like a bunch of whiners????
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JackCo
Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2006.12.14 12:15:00 -
[90]
Edited by: JackCo on 14/12/2006 12:15:55 The thread winner would be the guy that "allmost" came with the idea about starting a law suit. Can we have him on the panel next tourny? The sheer amount of hilarious moments that would provide would keep me glued to my seat for sure 
The panel on EVE tv was exactly they way it should be; good insightfull comments, funny if not hilarious at moments (i want more drawings), poking arround with every major allie/contender, having a nice drink at times and generally having a good laugh. It gave me a very good vibe about the whole game. I believe heaps of nice words been expressed in their direction on a few threads allrdy, but couldn't resist.
SJ is the beating heart of EvE TV. He's the dude then can post any crap about me or me allie anytime and i still would hug him 
EVE TV 4TW
Jack
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