If some people were given the chance, they probably would. Just take a crap anywhere if there was no direct consequences. All fun and dandy til you gotta sleep and diaper rash on your face might suck a little.

You made your bed now sleep in it? Sheet smears.... but if ya step in it cause you didn't think about what happens when you kick it out, you are the one stuck with it. Just don't go blaming it on somebody else cause there are not bedpans placed around to catch your nutty logs for ya.

If some people were given the chance, they probably would. Just take a crap anywhere if there was no direct consequences. All fun and dandy til you gotta sleep and diaper rash on your face might suck a little.

You made your bed now sleep in it? Sheet smears.... but if ya step in it cause you didn't think about what happens when you kick it out, you are the one stuck with it. Just don't go blaming it on somebody else cause there are not bedpans placed around to catch your nutty logs for ya.

That is the plain old card people use for deffending honor cultures, like warriors, priests and other honor bullshit.

"How can you be moral if you are atheist ?
How can you be motivated if you dont have faith ?
How can you accomplish if the accomplishment does not make you feel better ?
How can you be decisive if the decision does not affect you ?"

It is a so old fallacy it even has a latin name ... Post Hoc.

You know, I used to think that the apex of lazy was to wear adult diapers so as not to have to get up to hit the latrine.

I pitched that idea as "ultimate lazy" to a friend of mine, back when I was a soldier. My friend was a farm boy from South Carolina. He had more common sense.

He says to me: "No, that's not the height of laziness. It's when you won't change the diaper".

He once told me what the real meaning of "Sh!t-eating grin" was. Never forgot it.

[ So why don' the good fights happen?

Killboards

So ships can be replaced, there are reasons and accessibility to fights. Why don't people put up a good fight? Cause one ship loss on the killboards is horrible! Our efficiency has dropped and people will question the virility of our e-peen!

If it wasn't for those stupid killboards, people would only be concerned about winning. I mean if that was the case, people would fight to the last ship or damned close. You lose 75% of your ships to take out their fleet? Sounds like a win. There are other ways to bring tactics into it as well? Killboards just give a very quantifiable value to win and loss. Has no value in gameplay. The only concept of win or loss in a fight should be the result of the win or loss. Killboards are fun, and nice to be able to share the results of an awesome battle, but they just prevent more than are shared.

i agree with you.

there should be some dedicated server for people who want to role play just 1 character.

It just takes one fleet breaking out of the mold. Getting a bad killboard from their guerilla tactic play, having someone try to make a move on them, and then slaughtering whoever took the bait (maybe even claiming their territory.)

And people who treat eve as just a game and go around blowing things up most of the times make a point of seeking the people who value their eve things to make them stop being like that. For no ingame reason, just to **** those people off.

Yeah, after they lost that revenant, we thought moa would be easy but...

we were wrong.

That was insensitive. Carebears are a important part of New Eden. Without them, who the "Elite PvPers" who only shoot ships that cant shot back would shoot ?



As I said, the only ones who seem to not embrace the collective playstyle are the "Unitedstatians" (Americans cant be used) and British, because everyone else does.

Morality is the way obtuse people use to pitch non-sense and make it look right.

Ethics is the act or effect of using morality.

Motivation is self indulging atitude to make people do stuff they dont really understand why.

Honor is a self fueling belief motivating the ethics (the act of being moral).

That is totally relevant to EVE.

Yeah, after they lost that revenant, we thought moa would be easy but...

we were wrong.

Citation to verifiable data required for the bold part.

The Russians are the only ones I've encountered in lowsec who seemingly do not want content. Most entities will try to bring assets to the table that give them an advantage without appearing utterly daunting, thus presenting the opportunity to actually get a fight.

The Russian corps I've encountered just respond with overwhelming force to any incursion both with respect to ships and numbers, so they can get back to farming lvl 5's in their supers. They don't want to fight you. They want you to leave or die, so they can continue farming until it's time to go make an epic killmail on the Jita undock.

You're in a 55 person corp. Where are your corpmates and why are they not helping you to fight against "a few russians"?

its never just "a few russians"

Too much content for you to deal with?

Sounds like you might consider a larger ~blue list~

Citation to verifiable data required for the bold part.

Too much content for you to deal with?

Sounds like you might consider a larger ~blue list~

The Russians are the only ones I've encountered in lowsec who seemingly do not want content. Most entities will try to bring assets to the table that give them an advantage without appearing utterly daunting, thus presenting the opportunity to actually get a fight.

The Russian corps I've encountered just respond with overwhelming force to any incursion both with respect to ships and numbers, so they can get back to farming lvl 5's in their supers. They don't want to fight you. They want you to leave or die, so they can continue farming until it's time to go make an epic killmail on the Jita undock.

People just post all the time in the forums that they killed someone for the lols, or to get their "tears" or anything of the lines.

Everytime you take action ingame that doesnt get ingame benefits or lorewise motivations, you doing something personally rewarding, and when that reward is see someone manifest the attachment to their pixel property, that is what you are doing.

Crime and Punishment is full of posts showing people saying clearly they popped someone for them to understand "it is just a game". Many more people in other threads use the argument that you need to detach yourself from the property because "it is just a game". That is the plain old "I want you to enjoy the game the same way I do".

Those threads are right beside the ones saying "CCP should force people to play this like it was a space shooter, not a MMORPG" in A LOT of forum posts.

In most MMORPGs, as astounding as it may sound for others, there are groups of people who deffend the idea that RP is wrong, shameful or something in those lines. Never quite understood why.

And that is preciselly why the Killboards are not considered part of contributions to the game, not by many players, not by CCP.

Killboards reflect things that are detrimental to the game, as they value a fight by the people shooting and destroying, ignoring the importance of the people doing functional roles. It sometimes not even show those people. They have absolute no reflection on how the combat went, and its data reflecting bad playing as the top scoring, effectivelly putting bad combatants in its tops. You can be top damange in a fight you simply the idiot firing the wrong way, which makes the fight drags more time, and thus far, making you a bad fighter. The killboards will prize you as a "good DPS" and you are in fact, BAD at it.

That used as a measure of anything is detrimental to the game, once you make new players doctrinated on that sort of thing, and also to blame the others, who dont make that idea go away.

IT is not just EVE. Every game I play have it said in their forums. The best players all say DPS meters, Killboards, and such are crappy tools of measuring performance.

The problem is, most of the players can only show they are good by the ammount of damage. Even if you are damaging useless parts of the enemy. So most players give the idea that that is how you measure a good player.

Simple as that.

Anecdotal evidence from the forums isn't data.

Solo pvp curse solod by smaller ship: https://zkillboard.com/kill/48566173/

Don't play solo.