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CRUSH BOSS Caldari BOSS PRODUCTIONS	Posted - 2006.12.13 08:15:00 - [1] Have i missed something over the last 3-4 years ? Maybe i have, i dont read or post much here, But i take it evrey "non" mission runner is blaming the mission runners for? A - the system LAG? B - The system congestion ? C - The fact that most of us have a full set of +5 implants? D - That we fly some of the most expensive ships with the best mods? E - that we have large ISK wallets? F - that CCP dropped the Salvage prereqs and we can salvage heaps of cool stuff to make rig mods? And just for the record some not all, use missions to fund the war machine ie PVP. Soooooo i say YAY for the mission runners... The rich get richer .... the poor get.... upset cause they have lag and noob ships with a civilian shield booster We fight for the ONE - We die for the ONE
Tachy	Posted - 2006.12.13 08:17:00 - [2] To much competition on the loot market for the gankers needing to grind some missions on alts for their Isk fix. --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20
Kryss Darkdust	Posted - 2006.12.13 08:28:00 - [3] I think most of the complaints have to do with the fact that at this point if you want to make money anything but running missions and ratting in 0.0 space means you will make significantly less ISK then if you ran missions. Considering the hazards of 0.0 space, mission running is far superior to ratting in 0.0 Most other notably profitable professions of the past have really slipped from grace. With all the drawbacks and dangers of being a pirate for example you might expect it to be a highly profitable proffession, but in the end any noob running level 3 or 4 missions will make way more ISK then even the best pirates simply because of how good the mission rewards have become. With profitability being so good in mission running it has sort of made several other professions obsolete, at least if your trying to maximise your profits. Obviously if you pirate simply for the joy of it, thats one thing, but just strictly speaking in terms of time vs. value, mission running is superior to everything else in the game after you factor in risk. More importantly its gauranteed. Unlike pirating for example which you could spend a lot of time simply hunting fruitlessly, every moment spent mission running is profitable and the risk is extremly low. In fact I would dare say that mission running really has no risk. Are you are gamer? www.playhardliveeasy.blogspot.com
Aslann Gallente Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.12.13 08:31:00 - [4] Missioning sucks.
CRUSH BOSS Caldari BOSS PRODUCTIONS	Posted - 2006.12.13 08:33:00 - [5] Originally by: Kryss Darkdust In fact I would dare say that mission running really has no risk. Tell that to the neverending gate spawn on Enemies Abound 5/5 :D We fight for the ONE - We die for the ONE
Elfman Obsidian Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.13 08:33:00 - [6] Weird I only run mission's (as little as possible) to get standings up so I dont pay refine tax when refining ore and loot for corp. For corp as I dont mine either - all I play for is phew phew. And yes even my youngest daughter's favorite line is "daddy do grow up" when she overhears me on TS. Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis.
CRUSH BOSS Caldari BOSS PRODUCTIONS	Posted - 2006.12.13 08:35:00 - [7] Originally by: Aslann Missioning sucks. Sucks ..... ?? u cant PVP 23/7 , have to get isk from somehwhere. We fight for the ONE - We die for the ONE
Tachy	Posted - 2006.12.13 08:36:00 - [8] Quote: [...] because of how good the mission rewards have become. [...] You do not run missions, don't you? Loot and bounty have not been as low as they're these days for a long time. Rewards aren't that good neither. They just can't make the HiSec mission runner's ships go boom. And the average mission runner does not really care about a ganker's whines about that fact. Did you hear the miners complain about mission runners? Or did the productive people complain past the usual 'They're undercutting even the mineral costs.' lately? I know quite a few pilots out there who do not complain about mission runners, who love hunting down others and can live on small wallets. --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20
Lokyi	Posted - 2006.12.13 08:46:00 - [9] Originally by: CRUSH BOSS Have i missed something over the last 3-4 years ? Maybe i have, i dont read or post much here, But i take it evrey "non" mission runner is blaming the mission runners for? A - the system LAG? well... you do tank what, 40 rats at a time? Quote: B - The system congestion ? Nah, that's the ph4gs sitting in the station undock bay doing nothing... well, maybe they cyber in the help channel or something, I think that must be what I'm missing Quote: C - The fact that most of us have a full set of +5 implants? Well, someone has to have em ay? Quote: D - That we fly some of the most expensive ships with the best mods? Cos we can TANK :D PvPers are too scared to loose their noob stuff :P Quote: E - that we have large ISK wallets? Cos PvPers spend what meagre savings they have on a new Caracal :P Quote: F - that CCP dropped the Salvage prereqs and we can salvage heaps of cool stuff to make rig mods? Personally I think this was fruity. Only cos I trained Survey V before they dropped it. Now any noob can use salvage mods :P How about dropping all the pre-requisites for scan probes to "look, I can fly an Ibis" status while ur at it so we can all raid each others missions too :P Quote: And just for the record some not all, use missions to fund the war machine ie PVP. Soooooo i say YAY for the mission runners... The rich get richer .... the poor get.... upset cause they have lag and noob ships with a civilian shield booster ...The poor get podded - or stay in empire.
Aphotic Raven Gallente WMD Special Forces Dark Forces Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.13 08:47:00 - [10] I'm used to being poor.. tried missions... they arent all that great.. but risk = 0 makes it easy even with level 3 missions to grind your ass up to hefty balance (ive got enough for a few months pvp...) and level 4 missions are hard, there i said it, i got my ass kicked a few times, though once you figure them out the warp - gank spawn - attack next spawn - go home thing gets too easy Some missions should be rediculously hard... On the other hand who the ** cares what carebears get up too??!! what are they gonna do with all that isk? buy another CNR? good for them... I'd like to see a load of NPCs dropping cool BPCs in 0.0. i dont care if this screws the faction market.... faction ships are pretty in compare with t2 (excluding battleships.. nothing to really compare em too...) Quote: Melicien Tetro: I tried to fight a shark with a pistol underwater once, and I'll be ed if he didn't laugh at me and eat me. Sharks need a ***** nerf. True story
insanebe Caldari soni Corp Imperium Sonorumance	Posted - 2006.12.13 08:49:00 - [11] mission running does indeed suck take your 4*100k battleships and no loot drops if you want i like the 0.0 500k to 15 mill + battleship spawns with the chance of rare faction mods worth 100's of millions, along with the nice fairly common named loot worth 10's of millions knowledge is power.... guard it well
Luke Pubcrawler	Posted - 2006.12.13 08:53:00 - [12] A large part of the ill feeling towrds mission runners comes from the mistaken belief that all mission runners get huge ISK rewrds from it. In fact unless you have an very expensive setup and loads of SP missons are not nearly as profitable as a people believe. However enough people have reported speed running level 4s in faction fitted Raven's that most players can only dream of, earning multi-million ISK per mission, that this is now the common view amongst your average ganker. Combine this with the fact that the typical lowsec gankbear takes warp to 0 as a personal attack and you get the current situation. The source of most of the real misson hate comes from the third rate pirate wanabees. Before the usual mob of mission haters leap in let me say that I don't only run missions, and am not saying this simply to defend my own playstyle, if I was told tomorrow there where no more missions it would have little impact on my game. I spend as much time in 0.0 as I do in Empire. 0.0 ratting is hardly riskier than mission running, in alliance space I have yet to lose a ship doing it and the rewrds much greater than I can get missioning. Whilst I cannot fly all 0.0 mission solo I can kill pretty much any rat I find in 0.0. However I have run enough missions to know that for the average player they are not the endless money fountain that critics claim them to be. Overall mission running ranks well below 0.0 Alliance space ratting or mining when it comes to an attractive risk/reward ratio.
Beowulf Scheafer Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.13 08:54:00 - [13] Originally by: CRUSH BOSS Originally by: Aslann Missioning sucks. Sucks ..... ?? u cant PVP 23/7 , have to get isk from somehwhere. some peeps make money to pvp, others pvp to make money, you know???
Sendraks TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.12.13 08:55:00 - [14] Edited by: Sendraks on 13/12/2006 09:01:27 Originally by: CRUSH BOSS But i take it evrey "non" mission runner is blaming the mission runners for? It really is only a vocal whiny minority on these forums who think that the game would be better without all the mission runners or at least with all the missions in low sec/0.0, which largely amounts to the same thing. Basically its a case where all these whiners are saying is "play the game the way I want you to so I can shoot you. If I can't shoot you, don't play the game."
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.13 09:00:00 - [15] well the pirates drove the low sec missioners out and now are lacking targets trying to get at em in high sec ( the obsession with being top of the killbaord and having more killmails than youre corp buddy is also a factor) These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
CRUSH BOSS Caldari BOSS PRODUCTIONS	Posted - 2006.12.13 09:02:00 - [16] Originally by: Beowulf Scheafer Originally by: CRUSH BOSS Originally by: Aslann Missioning sucks. Sucks ..... ?? u cant PVP 23/7 , have to get isk from somehwhere. some peeps make money to pvp, others pvp to make money, you know??? Yea i do know, ive been with goonswarm for a while now, but hey what we know about PVP ..lol We fight for the ONE - We die for the ONE
Lygos Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.13 09:06:00 - [17] I don't like Skinnerian economies. (Ok I do, but only if the scientists are insane and their decisions make the test subjects curl up into little balls tightly wrapped around the tattered remnants of their confidence and dreams.) --- T2 Risk
Horatio Nately Caldari 808 Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.13 09:23:00 - [18] you forgot to include boredom. --------------------------------------- Implement Isk Stipends (no its not asking for your donations) Isk Stipends
Matori Kar	Posted - 2006.12.13 09:24:00 - [19] Low sec gankbears *** and whine more than any other group in EVE. They want to force their playstyle on all others but as they are generally a bunch of wimps, they can't hack it in 0.0 (usually * about fleet battles not being 'their thing') They just want some nice easy ganks from defenceless mission runners in high sec. Have a look at all the threads, the mission runners just want to do their thing, the majority of 0.0 residents want to do their thing and all the low sec gankbears? yup, *** about the rest /sigh Only the rare uber-rich mission runners can make huge amounts of isk speed running missions, most of the rest just 'get by'. I would expect alot are just happy to do their thing (mission running) and nothing else. Some combine it with industry to get starting capital and materials, then just run missions in groups for fun while their industrial backbone grinds out the ships and isk. Shame CCP dont release ship lose stats, I would bet that ship losses in high sec mission running per day are many times more than all those across the whole of low sec and 0.0 in a week... High sec mission runners and industrialists are the ones buying all those uber expensive mods the gankbears and 0.0 residents are gathering, trying to oust your market is probably not a very wise thing? Caldari: Don't have to worry about transversal, falloff/optimal, cap, tracking, how your damage type is being tanked,ship speed, the direction you are moving... etc. Easy Mode w00t!!
Clytamar	Posted - 2006.12.13 10:20:00 - [20] I don't care if mission runners are filthy rich and fly uber-ships with the rarest mods. Missioning is boring, at the end of the day. Very boring. There's so much more to EvE and much faster end interesting ways to make your billions. -- Zenud
Wild Rho Amarr Black Omega Security	Posted - 2006.12.13 10:23:00 - [21] I think alot of the dislike comes from the general mentality we see somtimes that full time mission runners have some god given right to grind missions with no risk from other players and yet keep all the rewards (mission rewards, loot, lp rewards etc). This of course is a generalisation but it's how most mission runners get perceived. G I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
Aslann Gallente Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.12.13 10:25:00 - [22] Originally by: CRUSH BOSS Originally by: Aslann Missioning sucks. Sucks ..... ?? u cant PVP 23/7 , have to get isk from somehwhere. I did a couple of lvl 4's the other day, made 5 million ISK an hour on bounties.. in RMR I'd easaly get 15 mil . Granted the ISK payout might be higher in lowsec due to LP offers but those missions are hardly 'risk free' nowadays.
Nukeitall Nukeitall Coterie	Posted - 2006.12.13 10:26:00 - [23] Everyone's gotta blame someone. --------- >>Disclaimer: Anything Nukeitall says is not to be taken seriously. Mostly.
Nardon Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.13 10:36:00 - [24] Originally by: Clytamar I don't care if mission runners are filthy rich and fly uber-ships with the rarest mods. Missioning is boring, at the end of the day. Which can be said about every activity that you do repeat mindlessly. ^^
Radioactive Babe	Posted - 2006.12.13 10:41:00 - [25] Originally by: Aslann Originally by: CRUSH BOSS Originally by: Aslann Missioning sucks. Sucks ..... ?? u cant PVP 23/7 , have to get isk from somehwhere. I did a couple of lvl 4's the other day, made 5 million ISK an hour on bounties.. in RMR I'd easaly get 15 mil . Granted the ISK payout might be higher in lowsec due to LP offers but those missions are hardly 'risk free' nowadays. Exactly, you can easily make more isk/hour by mining in high sec these days ... The only reason the gankbears what to nerf everyone else is to get at the nice faction/officer loot from the top mission runners and to extend their epeen (I'd wager they go into paroxysms of joy when they blow up a CNR) alas, poor risk vs reward, I knew you well
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.13 10:44:00 - [26] I hate people who enjoy missions on principle. It's just wrong. Thing that bothers me about missions themselves is they are more than ISK faucets. There's stuff like research agents and stuff, and to get the good ones you have to grind stupid PvE. FFS. ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2006.12.13 11:03:00 - [27] Well, whats wrong with missioning? They aren't that boring. I enjoy them "It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö" "A world without pain"
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.13 11:05:00 - [28] Originally by: Kuolematon Well, whats wrong with missioning? They aren't that boring. I enjoy them Go play (insert any other game with NPCs). Come back. Recoil in horror at the crapness of missions. Look at the sort of game Eve is and recoil in horror that there are even missions anyway. Repeat until you understand or have recoiled so much that you have backed into a table, chair, or other obstacle. ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
Sendraks TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.12.13 11:43:00 - [29] Originally by: Crumplecorn Come back. Recoil in horror at the crapness of missions. Look at the sort of game Eve is and recoil in horror that there are even missions anyway. Been there, done that. I've played quite a few MMOs now, either as a subscriber or in beta, and while I would agree that Eve missions are not the best example of PvE in a MMO, they are far from the worst. This isn't to say that they couldn't be better i.e. tougher, more varied, but they are far from terrible and fit nicely into the Eve game setting.
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2006.12.13 12:10:00 - [30] One of the main reasons I like mission (despite them being far from great PvE) is that I am a ship & fitting nerd. And missions allow me to TRY a new ship/fitting every day without having to BUY a new ship/fitting every day. And they are a nice playground for the faction stuff in my collection too which is fun to use but (for me) way to valuable both monetarily and emotionally (yes, I DO grow fond of my high end ships much like a real captain often does) to risk it in PvP. And I guess people like me are like epeenephrine to the average ADS-ridden gankbear in his endless search for superiority and the next kick... --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler

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