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Werlii
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Posted - 2003.11.22 22:56:00 -
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This fight should bee about who can deal and take the most damge,ecm are unbalanced so no point for it in a fight like this!
By the way who is the chicken here the one who want a clean fight or the one who want to hide behind ecm/dampers?
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vf142rex
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Posted - 2003.11.22 23:00:00 -
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Tank CEO please point us to the "Rules of Challenges" you keep referring to where it says the person challenged gets to decide every detail of the fight.
Tankuk is looking for the fight, not CEO. CEO has every right to say yes or no, or anything in between. It makes perfect sense to me. 
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EvilEric
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Posted - 2003.11.22 23:03:00 -
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Yep... as much as I would love to see the griefer podded. He has every right to ask for what ever he wants (ECM/Damp etc.) without being called a coward. The ECM/Damp ships are SUPPORT ships not intended for damage dealing.
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Lliad
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Posted - 2003.11.22 23:04:00 -
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Edited by: Lliad on 22/11/2003 23:04:46
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So... mounting all this ECM and the like would take up many slots? Why no counter with a raven and FoF missiles (cruise) and turn the shields and armor into a tank and ignore the other guy using his med/low slots for ECM?
And this is skill?
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.22 23:04:00 -
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Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 22/11/2003 23:06:13
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Tankuk is looking for the fight, not CEO. CEO has every right to say yes or no, or anything in between. It makes perfect sense to me.
That's not the point. He has the right to accept or refuse; but saying that it's the "Rules" that he gets to decide every detail of the fight because he's the one being challenged is total hogwash.
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And this is skill?
Just as much as "mount maximum damage and activate weapons" is.
Veruna Caseti
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Lliad
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Posted - 2003.11.22 23:10:00 -
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And this is skill?
Just as much as "mount maximum damage and activate weapons" is.
Range, speed, cap, damage, defence ect
More skill than jam and kill or spam fof missels till you die or win
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Tank CEO
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Posted - 2003.11.22 23:10:00 -
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It was a counter-offer. IF she does not agree to my guidelines, which are not that big of a difference and doesn't go towards any of the players, I don't see the problem. But if not, then I refuse the fight, plain n simple, I already said this.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.11.22 23:11:00 -
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I can guess why Tank CEO wants no ECM ... its quite simple actually.
Since he "Tank the Gank" almost certainly has more skill points than our Tankuk ... without the uncertainly of ecm interaction in the fight the result would almost certainly go to Tank CEO given 2 uber setup damage dealers.
For example, in a straight Raven tank vs raven tank gunnery duel an extra 5% here and there on missiles and trajectory analysis will add up, and provide the man with the greater skill points a decisive advantage.
With no limits ECM possible however, Tank CEO would have to cover his bases more fully and take a risk with his setup.
But of course as we all know,
TankCEO isn't a man for taking risks...
Ah well, the fact remains - a fair challenge has been made.
Whether it is accepted or not is up to Tank CEO.
PS
Did you say something relevent Viceroy?
Like I said before in Foresaken Channel, I am speaking to the organ-grinder not the monkey...
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gaya'aijia
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Posted - 2003.11.22 23:16:00 -
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Did you say something relevent Viceroy?
Not that I noticed, doubt he will ever even
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.22 23:17:00 -
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It was a counter-offer. IF she does not agree to my guidelines, which are not that big of a difference and doesn't go towards any of the players, I don't see the problem.
"Not that big of a difference?"
Let me see, you want to decide when it happens so you can prepare, where it takes place which adds the obvious and not unlikely threat of you setting up an ambush before, during or after the event in classic Tank style, what types of modules are used which you obviously want to favor where you have invested the most skillpoints/training, and who gets to be there.
Wow, and what decisions are left to be worked out? Your counter-offer is a ******* joke, and so are you for coming up with such a lame-ass reason not to fight. Just say you don't want to accept the challenge and leave it at that.
Veruna Caseti
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Lliad
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Posted - 2003.11.22 23:23:00 -
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Edited by: Lliad on 22/11/2003 23:24:01
yes coz skill points have nothing to do with skill. They must have just been named wrong.
Its a game, skill points are an indication of base skill.
So really Jade your saying you Tank is less skillfull that Tank ceo.?
So hes got to use ecm to win?
ahh i see now what you wont accept tanks new offer.
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Tank CEO
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Posted - 2003.11.22 23:31:00 -
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hmm if a Megathron can take my Gravemetric strength to -20, imagine what a Scorpion can do.
I listed my guidelines, you don't want a fair match.
These are the reasons why you want ECM.
1. To scare a person into thinking he might go ECM so that he will fit all his mid slots and low slots to counter the ECM
2. Since we have to give out what ships we will be flying, its alot easier to Jam then it is to counter jamming.
3. If some 1 doesnt fit jamming or does and 1 doesnt have a counter to that jamming, the one being jammed will just be all defensive. In my case, you wont be able to destroy me anywas so whats the point.
4. See, you want kickboxing, I just want boxing.
You wanna kickbox, I wanna box. Choose which one, aviously you chose Kickboxing, well guess what, I dont kickbox, I only box.
I have made my decision already in this topic, you aviously seem to not see it so Ill say it again.
No ECM/Damps.
Fine, you wanna choose the location, fine, but I want to know the location and then we will negotiate.
If you agree to my guidelines, you got yourself a fight. If not, then o well. No fight then.
You are challenging me, im not challenging you, the challenger doesnt make the rules. The one being challenged does. Ask anyone. Its the same with boxing, everything, Top 10, everything.
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.22 23:37:00 -
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These are the reasons why you want ECM.
1. To scare a person into thinking he might go ECM so that he will fit all his mid slots and low slots to counter the ECM
2. Since we have to give out what ships we will be flying, its alot easier to Jam then it is to counter jamming.
3. If some 1 doesnt fit jamming or does and 1 doesnt have a counter to that jamming, the one being jammed will just be all defensive. In my case, you wont be able to destroy me anywas so whats the point.
4. See, you want kickboxing, I just want boxing.
I couldn't have put it better myself.
This is called strategy. Deciding what you think your opponent is going to do and trying to come up with countermeasures is part of the skill of being a successful pilot. You simply don't want to do it beacuse you're afraid you will guess wrong and lose the fight.
So instead of actually having to use your brain, you just want to play "most damage wins." Well, guess what, that's not how this game works. If you can't plan and deal with eventualities then the rumors of your skills have been vastly exaggerated.
Weak.
Veruna Caseti
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Afrowax
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Posted - 2003.11.22 23:46:00 -
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Why dont you guys just take the 2 tanks, line up their skill points, and see who has more skills in the pvp areas.
Since there is no RL skill at all required in the combat system in this game, save the abilty to click your mouse buttons, the only thing that matters is who has the better skills trained.
So I would have to agree with Tank CEO in that you shouldn't use Electrronic warfare modules as then you would have to have many matches consisting of different set-ups of the ships to even everything out.
Not using Electronic Warfare would pretty much just limit it to who has more skill points, but then you could get into what weapons each are using and what weapon upgrades they have and you would just start a whole different argument.
So, like I said why dont you just line up their skills and see who has more pvp trained up.
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Tank CEO
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Posted - 2003.11.22 23:51:00 -
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Whatever you say, yes, im weak, funny how Medium slots do not affect your damage.
You want kick boxing while I only box, not going to happen.
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Miss Piggy
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Posted - 2003.11.22 23:57:00 -
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Oi Fat Tank CEO
Fight like a man for a change and stop whining.
WAAA WAAA WAAAA WAAAA
FOOL
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Warp away
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Posted - 2003.11.22 23:57:00 -
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err..who the hell is Tankuk?
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Tank CEO
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Posted - 2003.11.22 23:59:00 -
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I will, with no ECM, ECM is like fighting like a woman, I just wanna be on the same page ya. Im done arguing, I gave you my guidelines, If you dont agree to no ECM then fine no fight, plain n simple, im done posting.
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Amin
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Posted - 2003.11.23 00:01:00 -
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Edited by: Amin on 23/11/2003 00:02:13
A suggestion:
To be a true warrior surly u must be able to fight in all types of ships. So how about a 3 round match:
1 with frigates,
1 with cruisers,
1 with battleships
ECM is allowed in one of these rounds, maybe in the cruiser round.
This way it will come down to using different tactics in each round.
Just a suggestion....
Drink StarsiÖ Relation Co-ordinator
Caldari State Citizen
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Stillborn
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Posted - 2003.11.23 00:01:00 -
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OK, so you get to choose the system.
So you can camp the jump in point as per usual, like the sissy girl you are.
U suck tbh, cause youre an arse who rely's on lag.
Hope you get yer arse kicked by the other Tank.
Love and kisses
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Captain Lugnut
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Posted - 2003.11.23 00:02:00 -
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Welp, since you aviously do not know the rules of challenges, therefore, I will not fight with the rules allowing ECM. I don't give a **** about the fight, you can go ahead and say Tank UK is better then me, I just don't care. I have nothing to prove here, I liad down the guidelines for me to fight in this match and you have refused to comply. I for one will not waste my time to goto a 1v1 fight just to be jammed and fired upon.
Like i said, I have nothing to prove, I dont care if you guys think i have skills or not.
I will fight by those rules I stated, plain n simple, its up to you. Done posting.
You look like a coward Tank.
Did your mommy make you leave your balls at home?
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.11.23 00:02:00 -
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"Since there is no RL skill at all required in the combat system in this game, save the abilty to click your mouse buttons, the only thing that matters is who has the better skills trained."
... That's like saying there's no real skills needed for playing chess, because all you need is the ability to move the chess pieces around the board. :s
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Tank CEO
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Posted - 2003.11.23 00:02:00 -
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Look, there are tooooo many ways you can jam a person. Its not strategy, its just the luck of a guess. With rules of no ECM and No damps, that elimates that and provides a fair, even fight.
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Tank CEO
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Posted - 2003.11.23 00:05:00 -
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Ok im sick of this, Im a coward, I suck, Tankuk is the best tank, he has all the skill, you guys are all better then me, i suck, i lose all my ships, i run away from all 1v1, a cruiser can beat me, a frigate can beat me, im a griefer, im a exploiter, im a cheater, im a *******, im a ****, im a *****, im a loser. There ya go. Cheers.
You wanna fight me, you fight my way, No ECM or damps, whats your decision, Peace the fu ck out.
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Stillborn
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Posted - 2003.11.23 00:06:00 -
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Tank CEO,
Ur a fat fool
Fight properly for a change
do ur victims get to ask u how to tool up?
STFU and fight
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Trooble
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Posted - 2003.11.23 00:13:00 -
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You wanna fight me, you fight my way
That sounds like someone who wants a fair fight..
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Stillborn
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Posted - 2003.11.23 00:15:00 -
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He cant help it m8
He's a podkillin ****head that rely's on lag....end of story
*HELLO MUM*
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Afrowax
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Posted - 2003.11.23 00:18:00 -
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"... That's like saying there's no real skills needed for playing chess, because all you need is the ability to move the chess pieces around the board. :s"
You can't really compare this to chess because in chess bother players are started completely equal and it comes down to who has a better perception of the board and better systematic strategy. This combat system only rely's on pre-emptive strategy and what each person equips, But I do see your point.
Thats why I said we should just put them in starter ships and see who lives longer since any other way just depends on who comes with the more advantegous set-up and doesnt really reflect they're skill points. |
Stillborn
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Posted - 2003.11.23 00:21:00 -
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Errr....
Tell ya what then. We'll have no other ships apart from Ibis's
That will make a great game.
Pfft 
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StealthNet
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Posted - 2003.11.23 00:35:00 -
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Look, there are tooooo many ways you can jam a person. Its not strategy, its just the luck of a guess. With rules of no ECM and No damps, that elimates that and provides a fair, even fight.
You are somewhat wrong. That will be a matter of who has the most skill points. In a message in this own thread, you posted that you don't care, that you don't have anything to prove.
Well, this is not the behaviour you recently demonstrated in the forums posting your skill points and even a screenshot.
If you are flying around in the eve universe, your opponent WILL have the ability to fit whatever he wants. I agree to some extent that luck plays a major role, but using your brain to figure out what your opponent will do IS PART of the challenge.
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