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Stillborn
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Posted - 2003.11.23 00:39:00 -
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I will fight by those rules I stated, plain n simple, its up to you. Done posting.
Done Posting???
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.23 00:53:00 -
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ECM requires all the skill that Microsoft has granted users of the Windows Operating System since MS Windows 3.0: the ability to use a calculator.
Turrets, and even missiles, are affected by how good both pilots are at manuevering their vessels. The ability to take advantage of your opponent's tracking and optimal range, the ability to maneuver to keep your target in your sweet spot while denying them theirs. Hell, even staying behind your target to affect the usage of their missile launchers.
If you want to prove who is the better tactical fighter, no ECM. If you want to prove who is the better strategic fighter, ECM stays. Guess it's time to declare what kind of glove you're slapping Tank CEO across the face with:
Strategic or Tactical.
Oh and btw, by traditional dueling rules Tank CEO is correct.
Challenged has the right to choose weapons and grounds.
Challenger chooses his distance and the seconds fix the time and terms of firing.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.11.23 00:54:00 -
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"Thats why I said we should just put them in starter ships and see who lives longer since any other way just depends on who comes with the more advantegous set-up and doesnt really reflect they're skill points."
... But doesn't coming up with the 'more adventegous setup' and using it (and available ship resources) most effectively in battle... require actual RL skills... which is exactly opposite to what you originally said? ^^
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1of1
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Posted - 2003.11.23 01:01:00 -
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Sod it, let them slug it out in pods.
They can bash against each other and the first one to ***** loses 
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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2003.11.23 01:01:00 -
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I support TankCEO on the matter
Allowing ECM/Dampners is silly in a 1on1
A one on one is a fight between guns/piloting skills. Not to see who jams the other the fastest.
I think you are pretty pesky that you bother TankCEO with such silly accusations. Knowing that most of you are both inferior to the combatants makes it only worse
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Znaei
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Posted - 2003.11.23 01:13:00 -
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Well I must agree with Tank on this one  It will be much more fun fighting without ecm. The one who gets a target lock first wins, only showing that he has trained Electronic warfare, signature analasys and has a good sensor booster, nothing else!! Doesnt proof who is the better PvP'er.
With no ecm they but on alot more variety of skills to test.
clagnuts> im drunk just come back from pirates night in spain , wtf i thought it was some eve guys getting together for a drink , turned out to be a feken real pirates show , doh |
Afrowax
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Posted - 2003.11.23 01:47:00 -
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"... But doesn't coming up with the 'more adventegous setup' and using it (and available ship resources) most effectively in battle... require actual RL skills... which is exactly opposite to what you originally said?"
Hahaha, ya it is the opposite of what I said. Crap.
I suck.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.11.23 02:57:00 -
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Edited by: drunkenmaster on 23/11/2003 02:59:09
the amarr champs organisers banned ECM/damps under the ruling that it was a 'fighters' championship, not a 'cowards' one. (or words to that effect)
And the amarr champs were cool.
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Kiana'tre
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Posted - 2003.11.23 02:58:00 -
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This is a hope for something good to happen.............. THE NVA needs hope its needs somethign to go its way...... LOL
LOL ECM fights are horriblely boring........ If any of you got on Chaos Duels are never done with ECM tracking disruptors or dampeners.....cause its not much of a duel........... LOL TARDS
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Drethen Nerevitas
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Posted - 2003.11.23 03:29:00 -
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Edited by: Drethen Nerevitas on 23/11/2003 03:29:14
1 Tank is challenged. Move to 2 or 3.
2 Tank agrees to the rules. End discussion.
3 Tank does not agree to the rules and sets forward an alternate set of rules. Move to 4, 5 or 6.
4 NVA accepts Tanks' rules.
5 NVA proposes another set of rules. Move to 1.
6 NVA ***** about Tank not running in front of a cannon and sitting there while someone lights the fuse.
As for the chess comment...do you play the game? 
Jash, the only strategic part of ECM that I can think of is luck. And I don't think anyone can prove luck to be an affectable strategical element. Am I missing something?
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Captain Massacre
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Posted - 2003.11.23 04:04:00 -
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It looks like Tankupchuck is afraid of Tank CEO. He'd agree to a fair fight with no ECM witchcraft if he was a real man. Instead he's hiding behind some ECM skirt, probably Jades, and refusing to come out and box the real Tank.
Tankupchuck will you fight like a man without gimmicks and trickery? Will you fight without ECM garbage and face Tank CEO with real live weapons?
Whos afraid of who here? It sure isn't Tank CEO.
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Captain Massacre
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Posted - 2003.11.23 04:08:00 -
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You want a real fight? How about matching ships? A few years back I was in the US and saw an IROC race on the tele. That race had all the race drivers in identically prepared cars.
Put Tank CEO and Tankupchuck in matching cruisers with identical modules and weapons loadouts. Let the real combat tank win with strategy and savy not trickery and sneaky ECM modules.
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Stue
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Posted - 2003.11.23 04:20:00 -
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Imagine how boring the video will be with ECM.
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Drethen Nerevitas
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Posted - 2003.11.23 04:22:00 -
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I can see it now...
A mad scramble as the mouse flies across the screen for the first five seconds, and then the rest of the video is someone dragging ammo to his weapons for the rest of the combat  .
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Tank CEO
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Posted - 2003.11.23 04:25:00 -
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Its mostly Jade that is persisting with all modules permitted, I talked to TankUK and he didn't care when I said no ECM, i beleive he agreed with it.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.11.23 05:22:00 -
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This is a stupidly desperate attempt by the NVA to restore their lost dignity by a pathetic PR "challenge".
Tank doesnt have to fight this just because the NVA "challenged" him. The NVA is known for BACKSTABBING people that they invite to 1v1. Jade has stated that this is acceptable.
Hypocrisy.
So all in all, this is a another spin effot by our friendly local spinster. And ofcourse, like any thread that contains the name "Tank CEO", it has attracted an immense amount of lamers, n00bs and alts who only want to flame and be *****s.
GG NVA, we're still pounding your capital systems btw. If you actually have any balls you'll come fight us with you 3x numbers instead of continuing the forum war that you're so good at.
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Falzone
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Posted - 2003.11.23 05:41:00 -
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Jade is a wh*re the rumors are true.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.11.23 05:58:00 -
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Damn viceroy, your first post was irrelevent but your second just kinda finesses waste of space with snazzy street pazzazz ;)
End of the day chaps this was a challenge to a straight fight 1v1 legal setups only.
It was a fair challenge.
Only a total muppet could deny that.
And all else is crazy desperate reaching.
If TankCEO doesn't want to fight with ecm allowed then he is completely within his rights to decline the challenge.
And that appears to be what he has done.
And jash please, don't give me a load of old hooey about duelling rules.
This is more akin to a professional boxing match.
You don't say "oh yeah, because I was challenged I insist no uppercuts allowed"
seriously.
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Tank CEO
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Posted - 2003.11.23 06:07:00 -
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Guess im a muppet then.
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.23 06:08:00 -
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If you want to prove who is the better tactical fighter, no ECM. If you want to prove who is the better strategic fighter, ECM stays. Guess it's time to declare what kind of glove you're slapping Tank CEO across the face with:
Strategic or Tactical.
Hogwash. Both are legitimate parts of combat. If you can't deal with the loadout your opponent chooses, you lose the fight. That's how combat works.
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Oh and btw, by traditional dueling rules Tank CEO is correct.
Challenged has the right to choose weapons and grounds.
Challenger chooses his distance and the seconds fix the time and terms of firing.
By traditional rules of dueling there also has to be a physician present. Good thing we're not talking about the 1800s and two fat guys on a hill outside Boston packing gunpowder into their pistols.
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Znaei
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Posted - 2003.11.23 06:16:00 -
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This thread has erupted in flame and trolling feast!! If I were you, Tank CEO, Tankuk and Jade, I would stop discussing this on the forum and discuss it in-game.
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Jade is a wh*re the rumors are true.
Whats up with that? I see no point in calling ppl that
clagnuts> im drunk just come back from pirates night in spain , wtf i thought it was some eve guys getting together for a drink , turned out to be a feken real pirates show , doh |
ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2003.11.23 06:17:00 -
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This entire thread is ghey.
TankUK if u want to challenge someone do it ingame, yourself.
Lamers on the flame tank ceo bandwagon. You're lame. I don't like tank in game either, but he was within his rights to ask for no ecm/damps. No skill is involved in their use. Any n00b with 100k skillpts can lock down a bship.
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.11.23 06:28:00 -
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Guess im a muppet then.
TankCEO honestly, I'm not going to insult you very much for walking away from this. I know that your Biomass chaps are very scared of Tankuk ... and its unfair of me to press the issue.
But please.
Say you don't want to fight ... fine.
But don't tell me straight 1v1 no module limitations in a neutral system starting at 100km with seconds to adjudicate is ...
"unfair".
Its painfully "fair".
If you don't like the terms don't accept.
But don't try bending the truth like some amateur viceroy dancing for comedic effect.
Its "fair".
face the facts m'dear.
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Tank CEO
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Posted - 2003.11.23 07:00:00 -
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Personally im not scared of anyone. Speaking of scared, why cant you fight along the lines of no ECM/Damps. Why do you have to hide behind ECM eh, a Frigate can jam a bs. But a frigate cant take it pvp side. Looks like some 1 is hiding. You know what, im sick of Jade speaking for TankUK, TankUK needs to respond and I wanna know hiw thoughts.
Jade, you know jack **** about pvp, you shouldnt even be talking.
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Tank CEO
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Posted - 2003.11.23 07:02:00 -
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Also Jade, you still fail to relize something, this is a 1v1 challenge, not a ordinary unknowning fight that happens alot every day. Funny how all I ask is for ECM and you guys wont fight. Why do you get to make all the rules since your challenging me..
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Tank CEO
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Posted - 2003.11.23 07:07:00 -
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Edited by: Tank CEO on 23/11/2003 07:11:07
There are 9+ different ways to jam a person.
I can name alot.
- 4 Damps/4 Multispec
- 4 Damps/4 Gravemetric Jammer
- 5 Damps/3 Gravemtric Jammer
- 8 Gravemetric Jammers
- 8 Dampners
- 2 Of Each Jammers
- 3 Damps/5 Multispec
- 3 Damps/5 Gravemetric Jammers
- 3 Damps/3 Gravemetric Jammers/2 Select Other Jammers
I can just go on and on. Now you tell me, is that strategic? It would be a AWESOME guess if the fight was to go on and someone countered the jam.
Be real, be fun, no ECM, show your pvp skills. Theres no skill in ECM. Why do you think CCP didnt allow ECM in the matches, because as they stated its cowardly.
My Decision remains, NO ECM/DAMPS and you got yourself a fight.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.11.23 07:13:00 -
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Calm down tank CEO ...
Nobody is insulting your manhood ... much.
I'm not claiming to know anything about PvP ...
But I do know about fair terms.
And you have been offered fair terms.
If you don't want to accept, fair enough, the challenge was made.
All I want you to admit here and now.
Was that the challenge was fair and balanced and entirely unbiased.
Can you admit that to me?
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Tank CEO
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Posted - 2003.11.23 07:19:00 -
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Edited by: Tank CEO on 23/11/2003 07:20:56
In my opinion ECM is of coarse not fair and boring. Its just like tieing some one hands behind their back and fighting. But ECM is in the game. You offered me a challenge which allows ECM, so I counter offered and asked no ECM which is a fair 1v1 fight to the end which you rejected.
Simple. Lets end this. You aviously don't know what PVP is all about. Why do you think hardly anyone uses ECM on chaos, cause its lame. This is a 1v1, Its nearly impossible to counter a Jam. So no, its not fair, it was not a fair challenge. Im offering you a 'FAIR' counter offer but you reject because you want to have a unfair match. Thats all ECM is is confusion and the luck of the guess in a 1v1 like this. So im removing this guess with my counter offer. Im offering a fair, non-coward, 1v1 fight with rules of no ECM/DAMPS and you still refuse, lol its pretty funny.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.11.23 07:27:00 -
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Did you not understand the question ?
Or does the word "fair" not mean "equal and balanced" in the dictionary of TankCEO
I don't (to be frank) give a rats ass about your preferences re ECM ...
I do want you to admit that you received a "fair" challenge.
That only way you can deny this, is to tell me here and now why the challenge as stated, was "unfair" to one of the participants.
Can you do that?
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Tank CEO
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Posted - 2003.11.23 07:38:00 -
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Nope, not fair, countering a jam is nearly impossible.
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