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Casca Lyrix
Some Space Corperation
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Posted - 2015.09.03 09:08:45 -
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Hey,
so i wanted to ask how the "usual" corp life goes. (btw sorry for the long post) ;)
So ive watched quite some videos about Corps and did read some Tutorials.
I created a test Corp to see some of the stuff that a Corp offers for myself. Like Hangars, Wallets and so On.
Now im thinking about joining a Corp. Yet from different mmos the experiences i made are like that :
- you join the Guild/Clan or whatever
-> the Clan/Guild is primarily Focused on expanding its own influence in various ways
-> you kinda switch to that and start focusing on the Guild/clans Interests
-> and if you have to leave the game for a Few Weeks/Month and get Kicked or if for some reason the Clan/guild falls apart you are Screwed
- and then your pretty much back at the Beginning
Now if i look at the Typical Corp Application Ad in Eve, i see stuff like :
...we have Logistics to help you mine... Transport Ore ...
doesnt that mean it gets dragged to the corp stuff ? hows the Profit than split ? i can image to split it if many people Mine and some do Transports while other Support would be a Mess to do it Fair ? So does it not get Split ? How are your thoughts on that ?
or i read stuff like :
... we have 2 Posses in 0.0 Sec ...
stuff like that makes me Wonder, if there are like 30-100+ ppl in that Corp, there hasnt been one of them that just wants its own pos in that Corp(s System) ?
Or do Most Corps not allow stuff like that ? I mean it still belongs to the Corp and aslong as he supplys it i dont see why he shouldnt be able to...
and ofc there is stuff like :
... we do xyz together regularily ...
does that mean i have to do that too ? Even if not, i can imagine that some might think like, damn shes in our corp for 2 Months and only has done xyz with us twice, maybe we should kick her...
So how are your experiences about that ?
I have to Admit that sometimes after coming home from work i just wanna do my own thing the few Hours i got, so i wonder if that is possible in a nullsec Corp.
just to clarify, i dont Necessarily think that some of the Mentioned Stuff is Bad. I just wanna know what your experiences and Opinions on these Topics are, to get a Better Feeling of what to expect.
Thanks in Advance. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I
Ineluctable.
1423
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Posted - 2015.09.03 09:48:11 -
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im in nullsec corp, pretty small corp but still a nice bunch of people, i can do what i want when i want, usually i jump for any pvp stuff that happens because i like pvp, sometimes i go on holiday to black rise too, guys in corp sort us out with ships and stuff from jita via jf's etc.
pos's i dont know but if i had a super id have my own pos, i doubt it would make any difference, its your responsibility tbh.
all in all, every corp i have been in has been pretty laid back and cool with doing whatever i want when i want, i go inactive, i just let the corp know im going to be away from the game and everything is cool. most motos for the corps ive been in "rl first"
but being in a corp sorta tells people you want to work as a team so be prepared to put the interests of the corp and teammates pretty high on your priorities list
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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
1039
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Posted - 2015.09.03 09:58:20 -
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Casca Lyrix wrote:Hey,
so i wanted to ask how the "usual" corp life goes. (btw sorry for the long post) ;)
Yet from different mmos the experiences i made are like that :
- you join the Guild/Clan or whatever
-> the Clan/Guild is primarily Focused on expanding its own influence in various ways
-> you kinda switch to that and start focusing on the Guild/clans Interests
-> and if you have to leave the game for a Few Weeks/Month and get Kicked or if for some reason the Clan/guild falls apart you are Screwed
- and then your pretty much back at the Beginning
Pretty much that, plus you have your membership in that Fail-Corp for everyone to see and laugh at and possibly ruin your chances to join a proper Corp later on....
Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11587
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Posted - 2015.09.03 10:35:22 -
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Highly dependent upon the Corp you join, remember literally anyone can set up a Corp so there's plenty of incompetent and inept ones out there.
The thing I would recommend is finding one that's interests align with yours.
Preferably one that can actually defend themselves,
check their zkill board and if it's painted red with industrial and PvE fit ships then avoid,
combat fit ships would mean they at least try to fight so you might be able to have some fun.
Typical things to check/ask about would be their peak active hours, primary activities, PvP experience and for the love of God do not join a Corp that doesn't ask you for an api key.
Best thing imo for you to do would be hop on com's with whomever and see if you get on with them, people will make allowances if they feel they're getting to know you and like having you around.
Better the Devil you know.
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Avvy
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
150
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Posted - 2015.09.03 11:11:16 -
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This game differs compared to a lot in that you will get a few corps offering the chance to join them when you're in the 1st month (think I had about 6 offering), after that you don't seem to get any. Seem corps specifically target new accounts. |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
845
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Posted - 2015.09.03 11:13:27 -
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A simple Litmus test to see if a corp is good or bad is if they ask for your API. Most serious corp will ask for full API since they actually want members that are aligned with their interests and not spies.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1359
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Posted - 2015.09.03 11:56:51 -
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http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Eve+vs+other+mmo+s+so+it+was+a+blood+sample_4e19fd_4312688.png
... wonder nobody posted this yet. 
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Lulu Lunette
Blue Aurochs
United Systems of Aridia
71
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Posted - 2015.09.03 12:12:24 -
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I don't know that you really need to have API keys anymore with friendly fire disabled. Ofc that's speaking for my corporation, I'm not in the business of flying capitals or anything like that 
To me, a sign of a good corp is one that's focused. So many on the corporation recruitment window claim they do all kinds of things in Eve:
MINING
PVP
MISSIONS
ORCA BOOSTS
Corporations in my experience have been places where you share common interests and they are the team you play for. I'm trying to start my own exploration corporation and since that's normally a solo activity I'm hoping someday my corp chat will have others giving good advice and sharing experiences, that sort of thing.
It's like a guild in other games, just more serious because it's Eve. Make sure they are active in your TZ
@lunettelulu7
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Lan Wang
V I R I I
Ineluctable.
1428
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Posted - 2015.09.03 12:16:15 -
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disabling friendly fire is not really an antedote for api check
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
3164
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Posted - 2015.09.03 12:26:08 -
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Lulu Lunette wrote:
To me, a sign of a good corp is one that's focused. So many on the corporation recruitment window claim they do all kinds of things in Eve:
MINING
PVP
MISSIONS
ORCA BOOSTS
This is also known as the "Please come shoot at us and pillage our buttholes" declaration. |
Scarlett Stolas
Cherry-Poppers
Reverberation Project
11
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Posted - 2015.09.03 12:37:44 -
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If you want to join a corp, the best thing to do is to work out what kind of gameplay you want to do and then just open the in game recruitment channel and private convo the spammers who claim to do what you want. If there's a link to a public channel for a corp that sounds interesting, jump on that. You want to have a chat with the corp members/staff and see what kind of things they offer, what they expect from you and how you can join in. You'll have to do a bit of legwork but it's well worth it.
Do not join a corp that doesn't ask for an API key as any corp that doesn't is poorly run and probably doomed. Also, tell anyone that asks you to pay to join to swivel.
Most corps will do some sort of housecleaning and kick inactive players who haven't told anyone they are going AFK for a while. It's best to warn your officers in advance if this is going to happen. If you come back from a bit of a break and find that you've been kicked, don't panic or mope, just contact your old corp leader and have a chat, you'll be let back in within about 10 min most of the time. 99% of the time it's nothing personal, they've just done a bit of tidying.
Last of all, if you join a corp and it all goes horribly wrong then make sure that you talk to the people running the corp. If you can't work something out, then it's perfectly find to drop the corp and look for another one but please at least try to work something out, it's very hard for corp staff to know about problems or misunderstandings if you don't say owt.
Good luck and fly safe o/ |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
473
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Posted - 2015.09.03 14:08:24 -
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No such thing as usual or normal when it comes to how a corp operates.
Some are run like a business in real life.
Others have all manor of rules and regulations governing what you as a member should do.
Some require API keys full or otherwise in exchange for very little.
Some require API keys for reasons that are fully justified.
And some are little more than a social club and usually welcome virtually any player that wants to join in the fun.
What you want from the corp experience is more important and it is likely that whatever you want it exists out there somewhere. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11592
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Posted - 2015.09.03 14:44:21 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Lulu Lunette wrote:
To me, a sign of a good corp is one that's focused. So many on the corporation recruitment window claim they do all kinds of things in Eve:
MINING
PVP
MISSIONS
ORCA BOOSTS
This is also known as the "Please come shoot at us and pillage our buttholes" declaration.
Relevant
Better the Devil you know.
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Lulu Lunette
Blue Aurochs
United Systems of Aridia
71
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Posted - 2015.09.03 14:47:49 -
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Lan Wang wrote:disabling friendly fire is not really an antedote for api check
Maybe for your corp but mine you can join easily and spy on the casual fun we have.
@lunettelulu7
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Avvy
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
154
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Posted - 2015.09.03 15:12:40 -
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Lulu Lunette wrote:Lan Wang wrote:disabling friendly fire is not really an antedote for api check Maybe for your corp but mine you can join easily and spy on the casual fun we have.
Which, comes down to how serious a corp. takes the game. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I
Ineluctable.
1434
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Posted - 2015.09.03 15:15:34 -
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Avvy wrote:Lulu Lunette wrote:Lan Wang wrote:disabling friendly fire is not really an antedote for api check Maybe for your corp but mine you can join easily and spy on the casual fun we have. Which, comes down to how serious a corp. takes the game.
a corp like that just seems pointless, why not just stay in npc corps and open a chat channel, unless its just a tax generator
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
746
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Posted - 2015.09.03 15:25:33 -
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Casca Lyrix wrote:Hey,
so i wanted to ask how the "usual" corp life goes.
So now it's time for my typical rant... There is no usual with corps in Eve there are as many different ways to run a corp in Eve as there are corps plus nearly infinite other possibilities.
Casca Lyrix wrote:
Yet from different mmos the experiences i made are like that :
- you join the Guild/Clan or whatever
-> the Clan/Guild is primarily Focused on expanding its own influence in various ways
-> you kinda switch to that and start focusing on the Guild/clans Interests
-> and if you have to leave the game for a Few Weeks/Month and get Kicked or if for some reason the Clan/guild falls apart you are Screwed
- and then your pretty much back at the Beginning
Eve is not other MMOs, for Many reasons that I won't get into here. Suffice it to say that most other MMOs are very linear with few choices or prescribed ways to play the game. Eve is a sandbox and there is no one way nor any right way to do anything.
Also worth noting is there is no structured anything in Eve so most of the elitist stuff that you see in other MMOs is not present here. We have no 5 man dungeons nor any 40 man battlegrounds. What that typically means is the more the merrier. If you are on a roam with 10 guys an 11th is almost always welcome.
Even incursions which are the Eve rough equivalent to raiding have no set numbers of players that can enter a site.
Also note that there are plenty of corps out there that like to keep a certain number of active players and don't want to grow too much beyond that or shrink too much below that. Yes there are corps that want to be as big as possible but most are just looking for some PEOPLE that are fun to play with. Note I said people not characters. It's not your skillpoints or anything like that but are you fun to play with? Kind of like a playground for adults.
Casca Lyrix wrote:
Now if i look at the Typical Corp Application Ad in Eve, i see stuff like :
...we have Logistics to help you mine... Transport Ore ...
doesnt that mean it gets dragged to the corp stuff ? hows the Profit than split ? i can image to split it if many people Mine and some do Transports while other Support would be a Mess to do it Fair ? So does it not get Split ? How are your thoughts on that ?
or i read stuff like :
... we have 2 Posses in 0.0 Sec ...
stuff like that makes me Wonder, if there are like 30-100+ ppl in that Corp, there hasnt been one of them that just wants its own pos in that Corp(s System) ?
Or do Most Corps not allow stuff like that ? I mean it still belongs to the Corp and aslong as he supplys it i dont see why he shouldnt be able to...
So again there is not really any typical in Eve. I mean there are situations that happen often but the key really is figuring out what you like to do and finding others that do that.
That being said there are many different ways to do payouts for minning ops. I've seen some good ones and it's not as hard as you think but it does take effort. Running a good minning corp is a bit of an art and there's too much to get into here in this thread but the summary is find one that works for you.
PoS's also lots of different ways to do them, however that is not really important. PoS's like ships or anything else in this game for that matter are tools to get a job done. It does not matter what other people are doing with them. What matters is what do you want to do and how does a PoS fit into that or not.
If you want to play this game and enjoy it you'll have to stop looking to see what others are typically doing and find out what you like to do and figure out how to best do that and find others to play with that like doing similar things.
I can't say this enough Eve is not a linear MMO with set / specific prescribed MOs.
Casca Lyrix wrote:
and ofc there is stuff like :
... we do xyz together regularily ...
does that mean i have to do that too ? Even if not, i can imagine that some might think like, damn shes in our corp for 2 Months and only has done xyz with us twice, maybe we should kick her...
So how are your experiences about that ?
I have to Admit that sometimes after coming home from work i just wanna do my own thing the few Hours i got, so i wonder if that is possible in a nullsec Corp.
just to clarify, i dont Necessarily think that some of the Mentioned Stuff is Bad. I just wanna know what your experiences and Opinions on these Topics are, to get a Better Feeling of what to expect.
Thanks in Advance.
Again there are no "have tos" in this game. This game is both casual friendly as well as hard core friendly. Again the key is figuring out your play style and then finding a place to do that.
Most corps don't have any real strict requirements of things that you have to do or be kicked. Some null sec Alliances have CTA which means if you are logged on and not in fleet defending your home territory then you will take some ****, however that is totally avoidable in many ways not the least of which is just not getting involved in sov warfare.
I am a PvE player who currently lives in NRDS null sec. I've done the hardcore high sec minning corp thing and level 4 mission spamming as well as lived in wormhole space for a few years. I don't have any PvP experience but if you would like a question and answer secession to get more specific on some of your points then send me an eve mail and we'll hook up. I'm CST / Chicago time. |
Avvy
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
154
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Posted - 2015.09.03 15:28:43 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Avvy wrote:Lulu Lunette wrote:Lan Wang wrote:disabling friendly fire is not really an antedote for api check Maybe for your corp but mine you can join easily and spy on the casual fun we have. Which, comes down to how serious a corp. takes the game. a corp like that just seems pointless, why not just stay in npc corps and open a chat channel, unless its just a tax generator
That wouldn't be the same a your own corp. thought, no wardecs for starters. Plus the taxes of course, after all who likes paying tax?
Actually chat channel and NPC corp don't seem to go together, in the NPC corp I'm in hardly anything is said, it's actually so quiet I actually miss Rookie Help chat,  |
Dani Dusette
Isogen 5
7868
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Posted - 2015.09.03 16:02:42 -
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Casca Lyrix wrote:Hey,
so i wanted to ask how the "usual" corp life goes. (btw sorry for the long post) ;)
I login, open up siggy (our wormhole map tool) join the standing fleet and jump on comms.
Usually some people are out hunting for content, others might be relaxing in our home system (I'm usually RPing, forum posting or shitting up some random channels somewhere), some pilots might be running personal logistics. Someone finds some targets somewhere and we all form up and go kill them. Rinse and repeat.
Sometimes there's organized ops that happen, but most stuff is adhoc. We don't do any PVE so profit splitting is easy; whoever loses ships in a fight and/or the person who scouted the kill gets the lion's share of the loot.
Casca Lyrix wrote:stuff like that makes me Wonder, if there are like 30-100+ ppl in that Corp, there hasnt been one of them that just wants its own pos in that Corp(s System) ?
Or do Most Corps not allow stuff like that ? I mean it still belongs to the Corp and aslong as he supplys it i dont see why he shouldnt be able to...
The problem with a Pos is that to give someone the ability to set them up or operate them in freedom also gives them the ability to do a tremendous amount of damage to other assets owned by the corporation. You can pull down or change other structures and Pos's owned by other members, take their stuff, etc. So it's generally left for leadership to setup and corp members to merely operate in limited form.
The Pos system is currently quite horrible and has been complained about for years with dodgy and complex permission mechanics. They are being replaced with Citadels in the future.
A corp like ours that lives in a wormhole calls our Pos's home. It's not unusual to have well over a dozen in a system like ours, all owned by the corp with numerous pilots living out of each one. The Pos's permissions are setup as to only allow those specific members that live in that Pos access to forcefield with a password shared between them. Hanger divisions are also setup to help protect each pilot's assets from their room-mates should they feel dishonest.
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Casca Lyrix
Some Space Corperation
0
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Posted - 2015.09.03 16:11:49 -
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Alright this sounds all good.
So i guess i will try to figure out what i want to do and then look for a Corp where i Fit in with that.
so guys, thanks for all of your answers. They were really Helpful. :) |
Memphis Baas
520
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Posted - 2015.09.03 16:51:37 -
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Corps in this game are pretty much like quilds in other MMO's; a bunch of people getting together for the purpose of accomplishing something in-game.
However, several factors complicate this setup, compared to other MMO's:
- in this game, you can steal the entire "guild bank" - all the shared gear, if you manage to acquire access
- until recently you could kill your corp-mates without warning, now there's a flag that has to be enabled by the directors
- there are no classes (tank, healer, DPS), anybody can train skills and perform any role (given time), so why would they need you
- there's no "end game", and no gear progression; you can jump into PVP, wars, incursion PVE, wormholes, whatever, without the need to "progress" first
So, as a result, corp recruitment differs a bit:
- there's less trust than in other games
- people will invite you to join based on personality and how you get along, rather than because they need healers or whatever; you can train skills to fly the ships that the corp needs at any time, so it's mostly about trust
Otherwise, making a corp function is a lot of work on the part of the leadership, so most of them suck, because most people don't have the free time to turn a game into a second job. And, EVE is a free-for-all competition PVP game, so there will be a few good corps "winning" the game, and most everyone else will be mediocre.
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Hans Riesel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.09.03 23:01:13 -
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API checks are done by people so they feel important. They really aren't needed. You gain very little information. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
5314
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Posted - 2015.09.03 23:10:58 -
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Hans Riesel wrote:API checks are done by people so they feel important. They really aren't needed. You gain very little information.
API keys are often used for access authorization to corp / alliance services (web sites, forums, killboard, etc.)
Telling things are your EVE-mail history, contacts, ISK transfers, other characters (not being in enemy corps nor dealing with them), having the skills you claim you do, etc.
One friend of mine was in a large nulsec alliance, and as a joke another friend from an enemy alliance sent him a large sum of ISK. The automated tools immediately detected it, and revoked all access, and his roles were also removed until he was questioned about the ISK by an investigator. |
shadowhearth Eto
XYRESIC.
28
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Posted - 2015.09.03 23:55:02 -
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I hope op won't mind, but I would like to ask question here myself.
What kind of benefits would you actually get as level 4 missions pilot?
I was thinking of joining more focused Corp, but I am doing all solo amd I can't really think off what benefits I would get from joining Corp that focuses on pre. I presume incursion Corp would make sense, but other then that? I am planing on doing combat exploration when my skills get better, but even then is there any benefits? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11596
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Posted - 2015.09.04 00:03:30 -
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shadowhearth Eto wrote:I hope op won't mind, but I would like to ask question here myself.
What kind of benefits would you actually get as level 4 missions pilot?
I was thinking of joining more focused Corp, but I am doing all solo amd I can't really think off what benefits I would get from joining Corp that focuses on pre. I presume incursion Corp would make sense, but other then that? I am planing on doing combat exploration when my skills get better, but even then is there any benefits?
friends, company, advice, guidance, tips, tricks, contacts to other parts of the game you may not have been aware of.
Edit: thats assuming a halfway decent corp, a crap one may do nothing more than make you a target for players like myself
Better the Devil you know.
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Sal Marshall
State War Academy
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2015.09.04 00:05:04 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Highly dependent upon the Corp you join, remember literally anyone can set up a Corp so there's plenty of incompetent and inept ones out there.
The thing I would recommend is finding one that's interests align with yours.
Preferably one that can actually defend themselves,
check their zkill board and if it's painted red with industrial and PvE fit ships then avoid,
combat fit ships would mean they at least try to fight so you might be able to have some fun.
Typical things to check/ask about would be their peak active hours, primary activities, PvP experience and for the love of God do not join a Corp that doesn't ask you for an api key.
Best thing imo for you to do would be hop on com's with whomever and see if you get on with them, people will make allowances if they feel they're getting to know you and like having you around.
Could you expound on this statement?: for the love of God do not join a Corp that doesn't ask you for an api key.
Why do you think that is important?
I've been an off again/on again player with a few truly terri-bad experiences with Corps.. I just came to the conclusion that most Corps were populated with jerks in love with drama.. just NOT.. MY.. CUP.. OF.. TEA
I'm older and just don't have the patience for that type of stupidity anymore.. . |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11596
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Posted - 2015.09.04 00:28:20 -
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Sal Marshall wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Highly dependent upon the Corp you join, remember literally anyone can set up a Corp so there's plenty of incompetent and inept ones out there.
The thing I would recommend is finding one that's interests align with yours.
Preferably one that can actually defend themselves,
check their zkill board and if it's painted red with industrial and PvE fit ships then avoid,
combat fit ships would mean they at least try to fight so you might be able to have some fun.
Typical things to check/ask about would be their peak active hours, primary activities, PvP experience and for the love of God do not join a Corp that doesn't ask you for an api key.
Best thing imo for you to do would be hop on com's with whomever and see if you get on with them, people will make allowances if they feel they're getting to know you and like having you around. Could you expound on this statement?: for the love of God do not join a Corp that doesn't ask you for an api key.Why do you think that is important? I've been an off again/on again player with a few truly terri-bad experiences with Corps.. I just came to the conclusion that most Corps were populated with jerks in love with drama.. just NOT.. MY.. CUP.. OF.. TEA I'm older and just don't have the patience for that type of stupidity anymore.. .
it shows they are at least concious of security, which is good for you if the friendly fire is enabled,
it can also deter a lot of minimal effort thieves.
remember you will be bringing your own assets to the corp, so one would hope that they ask for an api at the verry least so they dont pick up some hobo that will swipe/asplode your stuff the first chance he gets.
Better the Devil you know.
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Sal Marshall
State War Academy
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2015.09.04 00:37:11 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Sal Marshall wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Highly dependent upon the Corp you join, remember literally anyone can set up a Corp so there's plenty of incompetent and inept ones out there.
The thing I would recommend is finding one that's interests align with yours.
Preferably one that can actually defend themselves,
check their zkill board and if it's painted red with industrial and PvE fit ships then avoid,
combat fit ships would mean they at least try to fight so you might be able to have some fun.
Typical things to check/ask about would be their peak active hours, primary activities, PvP experience and for the love of God do not join a Corp that doesn't ask you for an api key.
Best thing imo for you to do would be hop on com's with whomever and see if you get on with them, people will make allowances if they feel they're getting to know you and like having you around. Could you expound on this statement?: for the love of God do not join a Corp that doesn't ask you for an api key.Why do you think that is important? I've been an off again/on again player with a few truly terri-bad experiences with Corps.. I just came to the conclusion that most Corps were populated with jerks in love with drama.. just NOT.. MY.. CUP.. OF.. TEA I'm older and just don't have the patience for that type of stupidity anymore.. . it shows they are at least concious of security, which is good for you if the friendly fire is enabled, it can also deter a lot of minimal effort thieves. remember you will be bringing your own assets to the corp, so one would hope that they ask for an api at the verry least so they dont pick up some hobo that will swipe/asplode your stuff the first chance he gets.
Thanks a ton for this response.. I had assumed that 'my stuff' was my stuff as long as it was in my own hanger.. are you referring to the shared hanger? Thanks again..
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11598
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Posted - 2015.09.04 00:53:20 -
[29] - Quote
Sal Marshall wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Sal Marshall wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Highly dependent upon the Corp you join, remember literally anyone can set up a Corp so there's plenty of incompetent and inept ones out there.
The thing I would recommend is finding one that's interests align with yours.
Preferably one that can actually defend themselves,
check their zkill board and if it's painted red with industrial and PvE fit ships then avoid,
combat fit ships would mean they at least try to fight so you might be able to have some fun.
Typical things to check/ask about would be their peak active hours, primary activities, PvP experience and for the love of God do not join a Corp that doesn't ask you for an api key.
Best thing imo for you to do would be hop on com's with whomever and see if you get on with them, people will make allowances if they feel they're getting to know you and like having you around. Could you expound on this statement?: for the love of God do not join a Corp that doesn't ask you for an api key.Why do you think that is important? I've been an off again/on again player with a few truly terri-bad experiences with Corps.. I just came to the conclusion that most Corps were populated with jerks in love with drama.. just NOT.. MY.. CUP.. OF.. TEA I'm older and just don't have the patience for that type of stupidity anymore.. . it shows they are at least concious of security, which is good for you if the friendly fire is enabled, it can also deter a lot of minimal effort thieves. remember you will be bringing your own assets to the corp, so one would hope that they ask for an api at the verry least so they dont pick up some hobo that will swipe/asplode your stuff the first chance he gets. Thanks a ton for this response.. I had assumed that 'my stuff' was my stuff as long as it was in my own hanger.. are you referring to the shared hanger? Thanks again..
yeah, the stuff in your hangar is safe but you would be surprised how clever people can be when it comes to these things
Better the Devil you know.
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
746
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Posted - 2015.09.04 01:08:14 -
[30] - Quote
Avvy wrote:This game differs compared to a lot in that you will get a few corps offering the chance to join them when you're in the 1st month (think I had about 6 offering), after that you don't seem to get any. Seem corps specifically target new accounts.
Not that long ago corps in Eve could not invite anyone. You had to apply to them. |
Hans Riesel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.09.04 01:13:19 -
[31] - Quote
Tau Cabalander wrote:Hans Riesel wrote:API checks are done by people so they feel important. They really aren't needed. You gain very little information. API keys are often used for access authorization to corp / alliance services (web sites, forums, killboard, etc.) Telling things are your EVE-mail history, contacts, ISK transfers, other characters (not being in enemy corps nor dealing with them), having the skills you claim you do, etc. One friend of mine was in a large nulsec alliance, and as a joke another friend from an enemy alliance sent him a large sum of ISK. The automated tools immediately detected it, and revoked all access, and his roles were also removed until he was questioned about the ISK by an investigator.
This will only catch the absolute worst type of spy. The way you catch spies is with IT and just by watching their behavior, not APIs. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11599
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Posted - 2015.09.04 01:39:12 -
[32] - Quote
Hans Riesel wrote:
This will only catch the absolute worst type of spy.
which is most of them
Better the Devil you know.
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
747
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Posted - 2015.09.04 01:47:20 -
[33] - Quote
shadowhearth Eto wrote:I hope op won't mind, but I would like to ask question here myself.
What kind of benefits would you actually get as level 4 missions pilot?
I was thinking of joining more focused Corp, but I am doing all solo amd I can't really think off what benefits I would get from joining Corp that focuses on pre. I presume incursion Corp would make sense, but other then that? I am planing on doing combat exploration when my skills get better, but even then is there any benefits?
Incursion corps don't happen. It is a really bad idea. You would be permanently wardeced.
If you are just solo running level 4 missions in Eve then you are missing 99% of the game IMHO.
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
747
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Posted - 2015.09.04 01:51:51 -
[34] - Quote
Hans Riesel wrote:
This will only catch the absolute worst type of spy. The way you catch spies is with IT and just by watching their behavior, not APIs.
API checks and do a lot to keep out: thieves, spies, and drama queens. If you don't think so then you just are not using them well. Either that or you are one of the: thieves, spies, or drama queens trying to convince other people not to check APIs.
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
747
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Posted - 2015.09.04 01:57:05 -
[35] - Quote
Sal Marshall wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Highly dependent upon the Corp you join, remember literally anyone can set up a Corp so there's plenty of incompetent and inept ones out there.
The thing I would recommend is finding one that's interests align with yours.
Preferably one that can actually defend themselves,
check their zkill board and if it's painted red with industrial and PvE fit ships then avoid,
combat fit ships would mean they at least try to fight so you might be able to have some fun.
Typical things to check/ask about would be their peak active hours, primary activities, PvP experience and for the love of God do not join a Corp that doesn't ask you for an api key.
Best thing imo for you to do would be hop on com's with whomever and see if you get on with them, people will make allowances if they feel they're getting to know you and like having you around. Could you expand on this statement?: for the love of God do not join a Corp that doesn't ask you for an api key.Why do you think that is important? I've been an off again/on again player with a few truly terri-bad experiences with Corps.. I just came to the conclusion that most Corps were populated with jerks in love with drama.. just NOT.. MY.. CUP.. OF.. TEA I'm older and just don't have the patience for that type of stupidity anymore.. .
I'm 44. Welcome to the old man playing Eve club.
So API checks can do a lot of things especially in the hands of someone that knows how to use them. I personally am not one of those people but I can tell you a few things. First off it makes players with ill intent have to put some effort into covering their tracks which right there eliminates probably 70% or more of them.
Another thing it can do when combined with minimum SP requirements is make sure someone has to invest money into the character and that it is not a low skill point disposable alt on a trial account. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11602
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Posted - 2015.09.04 01:58:38 -
[36] - Quote
ergherhdfgh wrote:Hans Riesel wrote:
This will only catch the absolute worst type of spy. The way you catch spies is with IT and just by watching their behavior, not APIs.
API checks and do a lot to keep out: thieves, spies, and drama queens. If you don't think so then you just are not using them well. Either that or you are one of the: thieves, spies, or drama queens trying to convince other people not to check APIs.
hers a little trick our security guy told me a while back.
Did you know that award and medals show on the api regardless of if they are set to public or not?
this means that directors can actually tattoo "thief" or "****ing drama queen" onto someone and anyone can see this on the api
Better the Devil you know.
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Lulu Lunette
Blue Aurochs
United Systems of Aridia
71
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Posted - 2015.09.04 02:04:50 -
[37] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:ergherhdfgh wrote:Hans Riesel wrote:
This will only catch the absolute worst type of spy. The way you catch spies is with IT and just by watching their behavior, not APIs.
API checks and do a lot to keep out: thieves, spies, and drama queens. If you don't think so then you just are not using them well. Either that or you are one of the: thieves, spies, or drama queens trying to convince other people not to check APIs. hers a little trick our security guy told me a while back. Did you know that award and medals show on the api regardless of if they are set to public or not? this means that directors can actually tattoo "thief" or "****ing drama queen" onto someone and anyone can see this on the api
A quick google search would accomplish what your API does. Good spies still get through. The 99% of spies you guys talk about would be caught with just Eve-Search, Pirate's Little Helper, Eve Who, zkill.
@lunettelulu7
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
1579
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Posted - 2015.09.04 02:42:17 -
[38] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:ergherhdfgh wrote:Hans Riesel wrote:
This will only catch the absolute worst type of spy. The way you catch spies is with IT and just by watching their behavior, not APIs.
API checks and do a lot to keep out: thieves, spies, and drama queens. If you don't think so then you just are not using them well. Either that or you are one of the: thieves, spies, or drama queens trying to convince other people not to check APIs. hers a little trick our security guy told me a while back. Did you know that award and medals show on the api regardless of if they are set to public or not? this means that directors can actually tattoo "thief" or "****ing drama queen" onto someone and anyone can see this on the api
and if I go delete my accommodations?
@ChainsawPlankto
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Hans Riesel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.09.04 02:50:11 -
[39] - Quote
ergherhdfgh wrote:Hans Riesel wrote:
This will only catch the absolute worst type of spy. The way you catch spies is with IT and just by watching their behavior, not APIs.
API checks and do a lot to keep out: thieves, spies, and drama queens. If you don't think so then you just are not using them well. Either that or you are one of the: thieves, spies, or drama queens trying to convince other people not to check APIs.
I have checked APIs for years. In all of my time I have found ONE instance that led to an applicant being rejected, and I go through everything, I can spend an entire day checking someones api. A good spy will ALWAYS slip through because there is 0 trace that is detectable with an API, only an idiot would spend so much time making a spy character to stupidly burn it with a wallet transaction.
Every time my alliance has found a spy, it has been because of their behavior or because of the forums catching them. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11604
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Posted - 2015.09.04 06:59:43 -
[40] - Quote
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:ergherhdfgh wrote:Hans Riesel wrote:
This will only catch the absolute worst type of spy. The way you catch spies is with IT and just by watching their behavior, not APIs.
API checks and do a lot to keep out: thieves, spies, and drama queens. If you don't think so then you just are not using them well. Either that or you are one of the: thieves, spies, or drama queens trying to convince other people not to check APIs. hers a little trick our security guy told me a while back. Did you know that award and medals show on the api regardless of if they are set to public or not? this means that directors can actually tattoo "thief" or "****ing drama queen" onto someone and anyone can see this on the api and if I go delete my accommodations?
Hmm, I don't actually know...must investigate.
Better the Devil you know.
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Avvy
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
160
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Posted - 2015.09.04 08:05:15 -
[41] - Quote
Lulu Lunette wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:ergherhdfgh wrote:Hans Riesel wrote:
This will only catch the absolute worst type of spy. The way you catch spies is with IT and just by watching their behavior, not APIs.
API checks and do a lot to keep out: thieves, spies, and drama queens. If you don't think so then you just are not using them well. Either that or you are one of the: thieves, spies, or drama queens trying to convince other people not to check APIs. hers a little trick our security guy told me a while back. Did you know that award and medals show on the api regardless of if they are set to public or not? this means that directors can actually tattoo "thief" or "****ing drama queen" onto someone and anyone can see this on the api A quick google search would accomplish what your API does. Good spies still get through. The 99% of spies you guys talk about would be caught with just Eve-Search, Pirate's Little Helper, Eve Who, zkill.
So are you saying those that use API are just being lazy?
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Avvy
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
160
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Posted - 2015.09.04 08:07:20 -
[42] - Quote
Hans Riesel wrote:ergherhdfgh wrote:Hans Riesel wrote:
This will only catch the absolute worst type of spy. The way you catch spies is with IT and just by watching their behavior, not APIs.
API checks and do a lot to keep out: thieves, spies, and drama queens. If you don't think so then you just are not using them well. Either that or you are one of the: thieves, spies, or drama queens trying to convince other people not to check APIs. I have checked APIs for years. In all of my time I have found ONE instance that led to an applicant being rejected, and I go through everything, I can spend an entire day checking someones api. A good spy will ALWAYS slip through because there is 0 trace that is detectable with an API, only an idiot would spend so much time making a spy character to stupidly burn it with a wallet transaction. Every time my alliance has found a spy, it has been because of their behavior or because of the forums catching them.
This actually makes sense, considering how long it takes to learn skills in this game. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I
Ineluctable.
1445
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Posted - 2015.09.04 08:17:31 -
[43] - Quote
api's are also good to show what you can actually do and some corps make some pretty cool websites which use api's to show stats for pretty much everything, fleet-up can use apis to show fc's and other members who can fly whatever doctrine.
you tell corp you can fly capitals, api will show if you can and if you actually have one available. i personally see no issue with giving out my api, a corp can troll my mails, see how much isk i dont have and they can drool over my assets list if they wish :)
EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design
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Avvy
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
162
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Posted - 2015.09.04 08:39:40 -
[44] - Quote
Lan Wang wrote:api's are also good to show what you can actually do and some corps make some pretty cool websites which use api's to show stats for pretty much everything, fleet-up can use apis to show fc's and other members who can fly whatever doctrine.
you tell corp you can fly capitals, api will show if you can and if you actually have one available. i personally see no issue with giving out my api, a corp can troll my mails, see how much isk i dont have and they can drool over my assets list if they wish :)
But if you dont want to give api then dont expect to get on comms, most corp sites have validation now which require api to grant access to teamspeak etc
You showed me one of those sites.
I made a mental note of the warning, about if you suspect that someone is using your API...
The fact that someone else can use your API is a slight concern. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I
Ineluctable.
1445
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Posted - 2015.09.04 08:46:44 -
[45] - Quote
they cant use your api for anything which interferes with your actual account, its like a potential employer looking at your facebook page, because, you know everyone posts there whole life on facebook
EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design
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Avvy
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
162
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Posted - 2015.09.04 08:50:37 -
[46] - Quote
Lan Wang wrote:they cant use your api for anything which interferes with your actual account, its like a potential employer looking at your facebook page, because, you know everyone posts there whole life on facebook
I wouldn't know about that, I don't use facebook.
Although the warning did say use, I took that to mean more than just look at. |
Scarlett Stolas
Cherry-Poppers
Reverberation Project
11
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Posted - 2015.09.04 09:01:55 -
[47] - Quote
The API just lets people with the key and id view some details about your characters. No one can make any changes to your account with it so I wouldn't worry, that warning is probably only there to cover someones arse. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
748
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Posted - 2015.09.04 10:35:37 -
[48] - Quote
Hans Riesel wrote:ergherhdfgh wrote:Hans Riesel wrote:
This will only catch the absolute worst type of spy. The way you catch spies is with IT and just by watching their behavior, not APIs.
API checks and do a lot to keep out: thieves, spies, and drama queens. If you don't think so then you just are not using them well. Either that or you are one of the: thieves, spies, or drama queens trying to convince other people not to check APIs. I have checked APIs for years. In all of my time I have found ONE instance that led to an applicant being rejected, and I go through everything, I can spend an entire day checking someones api. A good spy will ALWAYS slip through because there is 0 trace that is detectable with an API, only an idiot would spend so much time making a spy character to stupidly burn it with a wallet transaction. Every time my alliance has found a spy, it has been because of their behavior or because of the forums catching them.
you guys keep leaving out all of the characters that don't even bother applying to corps that do API checks. Back in the day there was a device called "The Club" and it attached to your stearing wheel to prevent theft. Some guy made a press release that they were useless and showed how you could hacksaw through the stearing wheel in 30 seconds.
The funny thing is though that cars that had the club almost never got stolen. Cases of it happening were virtually non-existent. So what the insurance companies said was the deal is that a car thief is typically in and driving away with your car in about 17 seconds. That 30 extra second to saw the steering wheel would triple the time it takes him to steal the car thus tripling his chances of getting caught. Just because you can figure a way around something does not make it useless.
Now could all of you people saying that API checks are worless (who can clearly be proven incorrect) stop trying to derail the OP's thread and get back to his original question or start your own post? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11608
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Posted - 2015.09.04 11:47:58 -
[49] - Quote
Just because I can force your door open doesn't mean locking the damn thing is stupid.
Api checking is a good thing,
not the best thing but good regardless and its absence is quite frankly akin to leaving your front door open.
Though one thing is obvious from this thread (as I said in comment #4) plenty of fail Corps willing to let anyone in without checking the most obvious things.
Op should avoid these corps unless it's with the intention to shinaniganise said Corp.
Better the Devil you know.
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Lulu Lunette
Blue Aurochs
United Systems of Aridia
71
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Posted - 2015.09.04 11:58:15 -
[50] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Just because I can force your door open doesn't mean locking the damn thing is stupid.
Api checking is a good thing,
not the best thing but good regardless and its absence is quite frankly akin to leaving your front door open.
Though one thing is obvious from this thread (as I said in comment #4) plenty of fail Corps willing to let anyone in without checking the most obvious things.
Op should avoid these corps unless it's with the intention to shinaniganise said Corp.
I never said it was useless but saying that he should avoid a corp that don't do api checks is not right either.
API keys go hand in hand with serious gameplay. People that fly expensive ships, or corp's that have to share pos hangars in a wormhole, of course they are gonna need an API.
Not all of them are so serious and it would be a waste of time tbh.
@lunettelulu7
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11609
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Posted - 2015.09.04 12:18:25 -
[51] - Quote
Lulu Lunette wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Just because I can force your door open doesn't mean locking the damn thing is stupid.
Api checking is a good thing,
not the best thing but good regardless and its absence is quite frankly akin to leaving your front door open.
Though one thing is obvious from this thread (as I said in comment #4) plenty of fail Corps willing to let anyone in without checking the most obvious things.
Op should avoid these corps unless it's with the intention to shinaniganise said Corp. I never said it was useless but saying that he should avoid a corp that don't do api checks is not right either. API keys go hand in hand with serious gameplay. People that fly expensive ships, or corp's that have to share pos hangars in a wormhole, of course they are gonna need an API. Not all of them are so serious and it would be a waste of time tbh.
Oh you can certainly make the considered decision to ignore this advice,
feel free by all means but it would be disingenuous of me to advise anything other than avoiding a Corp that doesn't even do the minimum amount of screening as I would have massive reservations about joining such a Corp myself.
I value my assets, I worked for them and as such they are valuable to me.
Better the Devil you know.
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Lan Wang
V I R I I
Ineluctable.
1448
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Posted - 2015.09.04 12:26:42 -
[52] - Quote
if a corp cant be bothered to check the safety of the rest of the corp would they bother to help if you got in a bit of trouble?
EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design
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Avvy
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
166
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Posted - 2015.09.04 12:32:15 -
[53] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
I value my assets, I worked for them and as such they are valuable to me.
But can't you just keep your assets in your hanger, you don't have to put them in a corp hanger surely. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I
Ineluctable.
1449
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Posted - 2015.09.04 12:40:02 -
[54] - Quote
Avvy wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
I value my assets, I worked for them and as such they are valuable to me.
But can't you just keep your assets in your hanger, you don't have to put them in a corp hanger surely.
corp thiefs have some pretty creative ways to screw corps over
EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11609
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Posted - 2015.09.04 12:45:20 -
[55] - Quote
Lan Wang wrote:Avvy wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
I value my assets, I worked for them and as such they are valuable to me.
But can't you just keep your assets in your hanger, you don't have to put them in a corp hanger surely. corp thiefs have some pretty creative ways to screw corps over
Not just thieves, think about wars, how easy it would be to maul a Corp if you had an alt in it and knew where everyone was , what they're doing and flying where their poses are,
never mind if you manage to get some roles in the Corp.
Better the Devil you know.
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Lan Wang
V I R I I
Ineluctable.
1450
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Posted - 2015.09.04 12:47:27 -
[56] - Quote
yup and the fact you got into the corp undetected so easily i bet they throw roles around to anyone who shows a bit knowledge to the game
EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11610
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Posted - 2015.09.04 12:55:23 -
[57] - Quote
Worst case scenario:
* gets director roles
* flicks aggression switch to the off position
* has up to 23 hours (46 if another director or CEO isn't online) to have a good old-fashioned safari I.e.
gets to hunt the rest of the Corp with impunity
Better the Devil you know.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
8387
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Posted - 2015.09.04 15:44:07 -
[58] - Quote
How do they function?
Usually quite badly.
[b]----
CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
749
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Posted - 2015.09.04 20:34:11 -
[59] - Quote
Lulu Lunette wrote:
I never said it was useless but saying that he should avoid a corp that don't do api checks is not right either.
API keys go hand in hand with serious gameplay. People that fly expensive ships, or corp's that have to share pos hangars in a wormhole, of course they are gonna need an API.
Not all of them are so serious and it would be a waste of time tbh.
For high sec carebear corps a common practice is for war decers to make an alt and not even train that alt and apply to corp and upon acceptance have his main's corp war dec the carebear corp. Since a quick look at war dec history and employment history would be a dead give away those players have to biomass the spy alts frequently.
A simple API check to make sure the character has enough skill points to make sure someone had to pay money or isk to train that alt makes it a bit less throw away. Doing that one simple API check will eliminate probably 90% of those.
Just because you can't find much use for API checks does not mean that they are not important. I would say any new player should be looking for a corp that does API checks as well as any vet but for different reasons.
If you have a playstyle that makes it not that big of a deal fine but for a new player just coming to the game looking for a corp that does API checks is good advice. Once he learns more about the game he can make the decision if he wants to or not. However until you find a reason that giving out an API impinges upon your playstyle look for a corp that does them.
I repeat to the OP as a new player it is in your best interests to look for a corp that does API checks.
Avvy wrote:
But can't you just keep your assets in your hanger, you don't have to put them in a corp hanger surely.
It's not that simple Avvy. Yes in the beginning when you are not involved in much it is pretty simple to keep to yourself. Once you learn more about the game and amass more assets and broaden your interests you almost inevitably start getting involved in group efforts which means mixing each other's "stuff" together to accomplish common goals.
It's not something that you need to worry about until you need to worry about it and even when you do what you need to be aware of will be very situational. So for now just don't worry about it and know that it is a thing.
Certainly however corp hangars are not the only issue PoSes are another but those are far from the only two.
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Sal Marshall
State War Academy
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2015.09.04 22:15:49 -
[60] - Quote
ergherhdfgh wrote:Sal Marshall wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Highly dependent upon the Corp you join, remember literally anyone can set up a Corp so there's plenty of incompetent and inept ones out there.
The thing I would recommend is finding one that's interests align with yours.
Preferably one that can actually defend themselves,
check their zkill board and if it's painted red with industrial and PvE fit ships then avoid,
combat fit ships would mean they at least try to fight so you might be able to have some fun.
Typical things to check/ask about would be their peak active hours, primary activities, PvP experience and for the love of God do not join a Corp that doesn't ask you for an api key.
Best thing imo for you to do would be hop on com's with whomever and see if you get on with them, people will make allowances if they feel they're getting to know you and like having you around. Could you expand on this statement?: for the love of God do not join a Corp that doesn't ask you for an api key.Why do you think that is important? I've been an off again/on again player with a few truly terri-bad experiences with Corps.. I just came to the conclusion that most Corps were populated with jerks in love with drama.. just NOT.. MY.. CUP.. OF.. TEA I'm older and just don't have the patience for that type of stupidity anymore.. . I'm 44. Welcome to the old man playing Eve club. So API checks can do a lot of things especially in the hands of someone that knows how to use them. I personally am not one of those people but I can tell you a few things. First off it makes players with ill intent have to put some effort into covering their tracks which right there eliminates probably 70% or more of them. Another thing it can do when combined with minimum SP requirements is make sure someone has to invest money into the character and that it is not a low skill point disposable alt on a trial account. j
And thanks for your reply! Much appreciated..
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Sal Marshall
State War Academy
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2015.09.04 22:21:59 -
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Avvy wrote:Hans Riesel wrote:ergherhdfgh wrote:Hans Riesel wrote:
This will only catch the absolute worst type of spy. The way you catch spies is with IT and just by watching their behavior, not APIs.
API checks and do a lot to keep out: thieves, spies, and drama queens. If you don't think so then you just are not using them well. Either that or you are one of the: thieves, spies, or drama queens trying to convince other people not to check APIs. I have checked APIs for years. In all of my time I have found ONE instance that led to an applicant being rejected, and I go through everything, I can spend an entire day checking someones api. A good spy will ALWAYS slip through because there is 0 trace that is detectable with an API, only an idiot would spend so much time making a spy character to stupidly burn it with a wallet transaction. Every time my alliance has found a spy, it has been because of their behavior or because of the forums catching them. This actually makes sense, considering how long it takes to learn skills in this game.
This is precisely why I asked the question above.. I've never run a corp in eve.. so I'm ignorant of the nuts and bolts.. although I have run guilds in other games. And my understanding of the APIs led me to believe that checking API would only catch the idiots (a worthy cause for sure)..
But the stated purpose of catching spies is probably not so easy to achieve, depending on how covert they actually are.. It was just common sense.. |
Sal Marshall
State War Academy
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2015.09.04 22:30:50 -
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Lan Wang wrote:if a corp cant be bothered to check the safety of the rest of the corp would they bother to help if you got in a bit of trouble?
I'm pretty sure these two things don't consistently correlate. Whether folks are helpful or not is not related to good security practices. This is true in real life (c) also!
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Adamai
The Scope
Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2015.09.05 19:21:40 -
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Lulu Lunette wrote:I don't know that you really need to have API keys anymore with friendly fire disabled. Ofc that's speaking for my corporation, I'm not in the business of flying capitals or anything like that To me, a sign of a good corp is one that's focused. So many on the corporation recruitment window claim they do all kinds of things in Eve: MINING PVP MISSIONS ORCA BOOSTS Corporations in my experience have been places where you share common interests and they are the team you play for. I'm trying to start my own exploration corporation and since that's normally a solo activity I'm hoping someday my corp chat will have others giving good advice and sharing experiences, that sort of thing. It's like a guild in other games, just more serious because it's Eve. Make sure they are active in your TZ
yes api keys are still important.. even with friendly fire disabled.. reason being is a spy can infiltrate the corp over many months and get into positions of responsibility and trust and upon a time of their choosing opt to no longer do their jobs and the entire corp could come crashing down around every one else.. or! they could run multiple voice comms and pass voice chat directly to enemy fleets who can then use this to counter and destroy you. api is not full proof but it is one more hurdle for a would be assassin or some one getting ready to commit sabotage or subterfuge.. its very relevent to a serious well established corp that takes its security seriously. no member likes jumping through gates on a daily basis into traps. |
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