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DarknessInc Minmatar Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2006.12.16 09:30:00 - [1] Edited by: DarknessInc on 16/12/2006 09:48:32 Okay. So I bought a NEW pilgrim. And a new Cov Ops cloak (I miss when they were 50M each) Also, this is going to be working in a Recon TEAM, meaning I will not be solo. <.< I forgot to add that Highs: 2x Dark Blood Medium Nosferatu (15KM) Drains 57.6 1x Dark Blood Medium Energy Neutralizer (14KM) Drains 288, takes 153 1x Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Mid: 1x 10MN Afterburner II 1x J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I 1x Tracking Disruptor II ( no faction version) 1x Cap Recharger I 1x Ship Scanner I Low: 1x Medium 'Accomodation' Vestment Reconstructor I 1x N-Type Adaptive Nano Membrane I 1x True Sansha Energized Magnetic Membrane 1x 200mm Reinforced Crystalline Carbonide Plates I (might swap this for a T2 version) 1x Co-Processor II and now! For the budget Pilgrim = 85M Cov Ops Cloak = 77.5M N-Type EANM = 4.44M Tracking Disruptor II = 375k 2x DB NOS = 118M 1x DB Neut = 20M and the rest Final price for buying (bought like 75% of this stuff) 362,893,850.01 Sooo! How do you think this setup will work out. Im gonna be tweaking it, and yes I have T2 drones, and soon will have Recon lv4 in a few days ( ^_^ YAY ) So, experienced Pilgrim pilots, tell me what you think (i need to get a nice 20Km or 15KM 2 pt scambler. Which appears to be a Hakim) Freighter Sales
wierchas noobhunter Caldari Kemono.	Posted - 2006.12.16 09:40:00 - [2] your setup is wrong in so lots of ways .... i am WIERCHAS i am like UBER and stuff
DarknessInc Minmatar Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2006.12.16 09:49:00 - [3] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter your setup is wrong in so lots of ways .... lol perhaps for solo Work, but Im not flying this baby solo Freighter Sales
wierchas noobhunter Caldari Kemono.	Posted - 2006.12.16 09:59:00 - [4] Originally by: DarknessInc Originally by: wierchas noobhunter your setup is wrong in so lots of ways .... lol perhaps for solo Work, but Im not flying this baby solo ok ... well your meds are wrong .. get more tracking ditributors sort out your lows do u realy need that co-procesor II ?? put bigger plate i am WIERCHAS i am like UBER and stuff
Sinner aint'no'Saint	Posted - 2006.12.16 10:03:00 - [5] I don't fly a pilgrim just yet, but just looking at it, it doesn't make a whole of sense and your going to cry when it gets blown up. Maybe use 3 Nos instead of Nuet but Nuets fine if your skills are good and you know what your doing. Id drop the ship scanner and the cap recharger (or at least use t2) for another tracking disruptor and a web. lows: t2 rep, 2 EANs, dmg control. t2 CPU if you need it. just my 2x tho. this will keep it a little cheaper and it will be more versatile. With just an AB and no web stuff will get away from you still and you might as well use the ship bonuses fully.
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS	Posted - 2006.12.16 10:03:00 - [6] Can you tell me where you are gonna be flying it, I happen to need some easy isk. Originally by: Wrangler We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want both anti-social and social players to grief each other!
Sinner aint'no'Saint	Posted - 2006.12.16 10:04:00 - [7] Originally by: DarknessInc Originally by: wierchas noobhunter your setup is wrong in so lots of ways .... lol perhaps for solo Work, but Im not flying this baby solo obviously, but it still doesn't make sense.
Moadyb The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2006.12.16 10:08:00 - [8] /me runs to location agent
Agent2 Holtze Amarr Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.16 10:29:00 - [9] jesus christ. 0.o High: 2x E50 1x Unstable Neutralizer 1xCloak TII Mid: 1xAB TII 2x Balmer Tracking Disruptors 1xTS Warp disruptor 1x90% web Low: 1x Med rep TII 2xNano Adaptive 1xTS Therm passiv hardner and 1x 800mm plate Sell those DB nos and neut( besides, the Unstable neutralizer is better anyway) they require more GP than normal nos' Posting and you!
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2006.12.16 11:03:00 - [10] ship scanner? hakim warp disruptor? cap recharger I? OMG dude sort those 3 out. for a start check the fitting on those kinf of scrams. tbh i don't use a propulsion mod on my pilgrim as i fit a web and i'll only be decloaked when i'm within web range anyway. highs look about right. with ur lows i'm surprised u need the co proc, pls tell me ur gonna fit a better rep than that, and a 200 plate on a cruiser is pointless imo. u gain a tiny bit of hp for a very important slot. u can fit an 800 plate on a pilgrim, medium t2 rep and decent mids with same highs as urs. DE
Ice Globe Amarr Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.16 11:14:00 - [11] Edited by: Ice Globe on 16/12/2006 11:16:28 Why fit a ship scanner? You cannot use it whilst cloaked, so you might as well put something useful there so when you do uncloak you can actually kill something. Don't fit a cap recharger, you have nos! Just deactivate the neut if you run into cap problems, and besided your in a gang, so your prob going to gank the target within a minute. Repper, n-type and plate need to be much better. Get t2 of each and try getting a 800 plate, as 200 isn't doing much for you. Also why have you got a kinetic membrane, the pilgrim's weak spot is thermic. ______________ My Gallery
volly Amarr SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2006.12.16 11:21:00 - [12] High: 2x E50 NOS 1x small Neutralizer 1xCloak TII Mid: 1x90%Web 1x7.5k Scrambler 2x Dampener 1xECM Burst Low: 1x Med rep TII 2xNano Adaptive II 1xTS Therm Membrane II and 1x 1600mm plate
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2006.12.16 11:25:00 - [13] Originally by: volly High: 2x E50 NOS 1x small Neutralizer 1xCloak TII Mid: 1x90%Web 1x7.5k Scrambler 2x Dampener 1xECM Burst Low: 1x Med rep TII 2xNano Adaptive II 1xTS Therm Membrane II and 1x 1600mm plate that's actually a mean setup. if u get a bs without a sensor booster it's evil. DE
DarknessInc Minmatar Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2006.12.16 19:25:00 - [14] Originally by: Breed Love Can you tell me where you are gonna be flying it, I happen to need some easy isk. HAHAHA awww. :P i used to fly with youuuuu!! and Im not finished with the setup and yes I need that Co-Pro untill I have Recon Lv4, cuz right now its at lv3 and Im short 100 CPU Freighter Sales
DarknessInc Minmatar Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2006.12.16 19:33:00 - [15] Originally by: Ice Globe Edited by: Ice Globe on 16/12/2006 11:16:28 Why fit a ship scanner? You cannot use it whilst cloaked, so you might as well put something useful there so when you do uncloak you can actually kill something. Don't fit a cap recharger, you have nos! Just deactivate the neut if you run into cap problems, and besided your in a gang, so your prob going to gank the target within a minute. Repper, n-type and plate need to be much better. Get t2 of each and try getting a 800 plate, as 200 isn't doing much for you. Also why have you got a kinetic membrane, the pilgrim's weak spot is thermic. Ohh well. I was throwing stuff on her at first. Im not done tweaking her, and her lock range is 114KM natural, so I was thinking of warping at 100KM, scanning something at 100KM, warping away, cloak and then return if their setup can be beaten by me Freighter Sales
Ice Globe Amarr Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.16 19:41:00 - [16] To uncloak, scan somebody and cloak again is just giving away that you are there. If the person being scanned had any sense he would move system and laugh at you. ______________ My Gallery
Soraya Kha'marr Amarr Gun Metal Priests The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.12.16 19:44:00 - [17] anyone with two bits of sense in them will GTFO when they see a pilgrim warp in, especially once it locks. This space is mine, mine alone!!!oneoneeleven! (You can rent it for cookies though.)
Angus McLean Gallente Divinity Trials	Posted - 2006.12.16 19:45:00 - [18] Originally by: DarknessInc Originally by: Breed Love Can you tell me where you are gonna be flying it, I happen to need some easy isk. HAHAHA awww. :P i used to fly with youuuuu!! and Im not finished with the setup and yes I need that Co-Pro untill I have Recon Lv4, cuz right now its at lv3 and Im short 100 CPU If you dont heed any warnings from these fellows above me, at least buy a True Sansha adaptive nano (17.5%) and save your self 50 cpu. (1pg 0 cpu)
Mihae Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.16 20:26:00 - [19] Before posting a setup read up a bit first, oh and where do you usually hang out? It's a Kitty ffs!
PeoplePerson	Posted - 2006.12.16 20:39:00 - [20] Ship Scanner ftl, you don't need it to know what a person is using. A simple look at will do to determine min/max range and amount of NOS and I guess whichever FC you're flying with does not have his gang members do resistance sitreps.
DarknessInc Minmatar Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2006.12.16 20:45:00 - [21] Originally by: Mihae Before posting a setup read up a bit first, oh and where do you usually hang out? haha. Domain/Providence/Catch/The Forge/The Citadel/Geminate Im ALLL over the place. :P and if you do find me, I'll probably be in my Jaguar, cuz my Pilgrim right now is being used for Macro harassment, since she's only gonna be flying out into low sec with a Recon gang Freighter Sales
Kery Syander Minmatar Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2006.12.16 21:09:00 - [22] Quite frankly this setup is terrible. Don't fit a cap recharger on a Amarr recon. Use your nos/neuts for what they are made for. To totally pwn his cap and make his tank not work. (If you're going to use a cap recharger on a ship like this, at least spring for a cap recharger II) Your high slots are fine, but your mids and lows make me want to cry. Get rid of the ship scanner... please. It won't do anything for you. Put in another TD II to help with turrent boats. Hell, put a multispec or sensor damp in there... but a ship scanner won't help you at all. My mids would look something like this: 3x tracking disruptor II 1x 2pt warp scrambler 1x 90% webber For your lows, I would want to start with a MAR II and not bother putting a 200mm plate on a cruiser. Your tactics are laughable. I would not stick around long if I saw a pilgrim checking me out. Just engage any turret-boat you can get your hands on.
DarknessInc Minmatar Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2006.12.16 21:57:00 - [23] Edited by: DarknessInc on 16/12/2006 21:57:58 Originally by: Kery Syander Quite frankly this setup is terrible. Don't fit a cap recharger on a Amarr recon. Use your nos/neuts for what they are made for. To totally pwn his cap and make his tank not work. (If you're going to use a cap recharger on a ship like this, at least spring for a cap recharger II) Your high slots are fine, but your mids and lows make me want to cry. Get rid of the ship scanner... please. It won't do anything for you. Put in another TD II to help with turrent boats. Hell, put a multispec or sensor damp in there... but a ship scanner won't help you at all. My mids would look something like this: 3x tracking disruptor II 1x 2pt warp scrambler 1x 90% webber For your lows, I would want to start with a MAR II and not bother putting a 200mm plate on a cruiser. Your tactics are laughable. I would not stick around long if I saw a pilgrim checking me out. Just engage any turret-boat you can get your hands on. okies. I trust you since your Sanguine, and <.< I <3 you guys hahahaha Except I'd rather stay OUT of Cruiser NOS range and Webifier range, which is why I bought my facton NOSes, because their Drain value is the same as Diminishing but their range is better Freighter Sales
PeoplePerson	Posted - 2006.12.16 22:00:00 - [24] Since you're selling freighters I guess you're rich enough to blow ISK on being stupid But if not go fly Arbitrators for a couple of months
Kery Syander Minmatar Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2006.12.16 22:11:00 - [25] Originally by: DarknessInc Edited by: DarknessInc on 16/12/2006 21:57:58 Originally by: Kery Syander Quite frankly this setup is terrible. Don't fit a cap recharger on a Amarr recon. Use your nos/neuts for what they are made for. To totally pwn his cap and make his tank not work. (If you're going to use a cap recharger on a ship like this, at least spring for a cap recharger II) Your high slots are fine, but your mids and lows make me want to cry. Get rid of the ship scanner... please. It won't do anything for you. Put in another TD II to help with turrent boats. Hell, put a multispec or sensor damp in there... but a ship scanner won't help you at all. My mids would look something like this: 3x tracking disruptor II 1x 2pt warp scrambler 1x 90% webber For your lows, I would want to start with a MAR II and not bother putting a 200mm plate on a cruiser. Your tactics are laughable. I would not stick around long if I saw a pilgrim checking me out. Just engage any turret-boat you can get your hands on. okies. I trust you since your Sanguine, and <.< I <3 you guys hahahaha Except I'd rather stay OUT of Cruiser NOS range and Webifier range, which is why I bought my facton NOSes, because their Drain value is the same as Diminishing but their range is better Personally, my strategy would be to stay in nos range. You are going to wtfpwn their cap really, except for nos boats like vexors, domis, and myrms. Ginaz had a really good video about crusing around in a Pilgrim a while back, and his setup looked pretty good (although it was before the ECM 'nerf'). I would recommend watching it a couple hundred times... plus it's a good vid (dunno where the vid is, perhaps eve-search can help). I would say that your strategy sounds much more like what you'd want to do in a curse... I'd much rather uncloak in web range, web them, and see if they can hit you. If you can get an 800mm plate on there and a hardner or 2, I would think that you'd be able to tank fairly well, even if they can hit you. I think you'll be killing cruisers very quickly, because they are not going to have any sort of active tank running within 2-3 nos cycles. You don't have that much range to play with, so I would just forget about trying to monkey around in a 1-2km range and just let them try to nos you back. Anything other than a Vexor in the cruiser class will not be able to out-nos you.
Zyrtan Keb'Lektar 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.16 22:16:00 - [26] Here's a useful setup: Highs: 3x medium nos, 1x cov ops cloak Mids: 7.5k Scramble, web, TD, 2x multispec Lows: MAR T2, named MAR, 800mm, hardeners fits well, atleast with recon 5
DarknessInc Minmatar Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2006.12.16 22:20:00 - [27] I just bought a faction Med Rep and a few TS ENMs. So I'll update the OP with my new setup soon Freighter Sales
Zyrtan Keb'Lektar 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.16 22:28:00 - [28] You dont have to use faction mods on a pilgrim... stay with tech2 and keep practising...
DarknessInc Minmatar Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2006.12.16 22:28:00 - [29] Originally by: Zyrtan Keb'Lektar You dont have to use faction mods on a pilgrim... stay with tech2 and keep practising... eh Ive already bought everything. its not planned out. its what is CURRENTLY fitted on her Freighter Sales
DarknessInc Minmatar Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2006.12.17 00:33:00 - [30] Originally by: Colonel Drego Edited by: Colonel Drego on 17/12/2006 00:31:22 DREGOOOOOOOOOOOOOO <3 Freighter Sales
Colonel Drego Caldari Angels of the Apocolypse	Posted - 2006.12.17 01:09:00 - [31] Originally by: DarknessInc Originally by: Colonel Drego Edited by: Colonel Drego on 17/12/2006 00:31:22 DREGOOOOOOOOOOOOOO <3 Yep. I don't know much about Pilgrim setups, but, had to post. ___________________________________________ New pilot's typical first mission
DarknessInc Minmatar Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2006.12.17 01:21:00 - [32] Originally by: Colonel Drego Originally by: DarknessInc Originally by: Colonel Drego Edited by: Colonel Drego on 17/12/2006 00:31:22 DREGOOOOOOOOOOOOOO <3 Yep. I don't know much about Pilgrim setups, but, had to post. :P how ya doing my old buddy! Freighter Sales
Colonel Drego Caldari Angels of the Apocolypse	Posted - 2006.12.17 01:29:00 - [33] Originally by: DarknessInc Originally by: Colonel Drego Originally by: DarknessInc Originally by: Colonel Drego Edited by: Colonel Drego on 17/12/2006 00:31:22 DREGOOOOOOOOOOOOOO <3 Yep. I don't know much about Pilgrim setups, but, had to post. :P how ya doing my old buddy! Meh, good enough. Working on getting a jump clone in empire at the moment. ___________________________________________ New pilot's typical first mission
DiuxDium The Graduates	Posted - 2006.12.17 01:29:00 - [34] Originally by: Agent2 Holtze jesus christ. 0.o High: 2x E50 1x Unstable Neutralizer 1xCloak TII Mid: 1xAB TII 2x Balmer Tracking Disruptors 1xTS Warp disruptor 1x90% web Low: 1x Med rep TII 2xNano Adaptive 1xTS Therm passiv hardner and 1x 800mm plate Sell those DB nos and neut( besides, the Unstable neutralizer is better anyway) they require more GP than normal nos' I love this setup. The TS keeps you out of enemy web range, allows you to fully utilize your TD's. Pure sex p.s To the OP - I'll trade you some of that faction crap for a standard 800mm plate, and you'll do alot better Timeout! Party time.
Horza Otho Minmatar Silver Star Federation Kurai Komichi	Posted - 2006.12.17 01:34:00 - [35] its idiotic setups like that that die to my ruptures. --- Eris Discordia is miiiiiine
DarknessInc Minmatar Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2006.12.17 04:13:00 - [36] Originally by: Horza Otho its idiotic setups like that that die to my ruptures. <.< TDs > Rupture Turrets TS Armor Resists > Heavy Missiles Freighter Sales
DarknessInc Minmatar Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2006.12.17 04:14:00 - [37] Originally by: DiuxDium Originally by: Agent2 Holtze jesus christ. 0.o High: 2x E50 1x Unstable Neutralizer 1xCloak TII Mid: 1xAB TII 2x Balmer Tracking Disruptors 1xTS Warp disruptor 1x90% web Low: 1x Med rep TII 2xNano Adaptive 1xTS Therm passiv hardner and 1x 800mm plate Sell those DB nos and neut( besides, the Unstable neutralizer is better anyway) they require more GP than normal nos' I love this setup. The TS keeps you out of enemy web range, allows you to fully utilize your TD's. Pure sex p.s To the OP - I'll trade you some of that faction crap for a standard 800mm plate, and you'll do alot better wait. Ive changed my entire setup also. with the purchase of my Smoke Screen Cloak, I freed up ALOT of CPU for fittings Freighter Sales
DarknessInc Minmatar Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2006.12.17 04:27:00 - [38] the new setup: Highs: 2x Dark Blood Medium Nosferatu (15KM) Drains 57.6 1x Dark Blood Medium Energy Neutralizer (14KM) Drains 288, takes 153 1x 'Smoke Screen' Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Mid: 1x 10MN Afterburner II 1x 20KM Scambler 1x True Sansha Stasis Webifier (14 km, 80%) 2x Tracking Disruptor II Low: 1x True Sansha Medium Armor Repairor I 1x Medium 'Accomodation' Vestment Reconstructor I (over 600 armor per cycle repped) 1x True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 1x True Sansha Energized Thermic Membrane 1x Co-Processor II Freighter Sales
Maeltstome	Posted - 2006.12.17 04:44:00 - [39] Edited by: Maeltstome on 17/12/2006 04:44:51 Call me crazy, but i think you just have far too much money, and far too little sense and PVP experience. In a 1v1, those faction modules will give you the edge... But in a group - you don't need that extra a few percent, you have multiple ships. BTW - anytime i see a pilgrim or a curse, i pop the drones, being minmatar means no need for cap to pop them - but trust me i will keep my scram going during your NOS breaks. Dont spend this much money on a ship that relies on drones or you'll just hate yourself when you pop (your drones all long dead), albeit 20 seconds longer than youd be with T2 or named gear.
DarknessInc Minmatar Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2006.12.17 04:53:00 - [40] Edited by: DarknessInc on 17/12/2006 04:56:28 Edited by: DarknessInc on 17/12/2006 04:54:17 Originally by: Maeltstome Edited by: Maeltstome on 17/12/2006 04:44:51 Call me crazy, but i think you just have far too much money, and far too little sense and PVP experience. In a 1v1, those faction modules will give you the edge... But in a group - you don't need that extra a few percent, you have multiple ships. BTW - anytime i see a pilgrim or a curse, i pop the drones, being minmatar means no need for cap to pop them - but trust me i will keep my scram going during your NOS breaks. Dont spend this much money on a ship that relies on drones or you'll just hate yourself when you pop (your drones all long dead), albeit 20 seconds longer than youd be with T2 or named gear. XD No CAP for minmatar ships means no Scambler, and with no scambler 1v1, I can warp out, cloak midwarp, and Im safe to limp off to get new drones but its not a NOS focused ship. The NOSes are going to fuel the NEUT, which'll remove the Cap in the ship faster than the NOS will but even if I am in a group, I would like the extra edge. Plus if I ever return to pirating, I can run this 1v1 versus most Battleships and lower, except Missile Boats. <.< Missiles < Pilgrims/Curse = Death. Freighter Sales
Colonel Drego Caldari Angels of the Apocolypse	Posted - 2006.12.17 14:42:00 - [41] Originally by: DarknessInc Edited by: DarknessInc on 17/12/2006 04:56:28 Edited by: DarknessInc on 17/12/2006 04:54:17 Originally by: Maeltstome Edited by: Maeltstome on 17/12/2006 04:44:51 Call me crazy, but i think you just have far too much money, and far too little sense and PVP experience. In a 1v1, those faction modules will give you the edge... But in a group - you don't need that extra a few percent, you have multiple ships. BTW - anytime i see a pilgrim or a curse, i pop the drones, being minmatar means no need for cap to pop them - but trust me i will keep my scram going during your NOS breaks. Dont spend this much money on a ship that relies on drones or you'll just hate yourself when you pop (your drones all long dead), albeit 20 seconds longer than youd be with T2 or named gear. XD No CAP for minmatar ships means no Scambler, and with no scambler 1v1, I can warp out, cloak midwarp, and Im safe to limp off to get new drones but its not a NOS focused ship. The NOSes are going to fuel the NEUT, which'll remove the Cap in the ship faster than the NOS will but even if I am in a group, I would like the extra edge. Plus if I ever return to pirating, I can run this 1v1 versus most Battleships and lower, except Missile Boats. <.< Missiles < Pilgrims/Curse = Death. Oh really? Drego fetches his Drake ___________________________________________ New pilot's typical first mission
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:08:00 - [42] Originally by: DarknessInc the new setup: Highs: 2x Dark Blood Medium Nosferatu (15KM) Drains 57.6 1x Dark Blood Medium Energy Neutralizer (14KM) Drains 288, takes 153 1x 'Smoke Screen' Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Mid: 1x 10MN Afterburner II 1x 20KM Scambler 1x True Sansha Stasis Webifier (14 km, 80%) 2x Tracking Disruptor II Low: 1x True Sansha Medium Armor Repairor I 1x Medium 'Accomodation' Vestment Reconstructor I (over 600 armor per cycle repped) 1x True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 1x True Sansha Energized Thermic Membrane 1x Co-Processor II now we're talking. new setup looks great. i personally still prefer 800 plate and 1 medium rep setup as with ur neut and only 2 nos u may struggle to sustain a twin medium rep tank. not sure on that tho haven't done the figured. try it out with a friend and see how long ur cap hold out. also when ur opponents cap is gone ur cap runs out quickly so exrta hp is better than rep amount with no cap but both work well. DE
DarknessInc Minmatar Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:17:00 - [43] Originally by: DarkElf now we're talking. new setup looks great. i personally still prefer 800 plate and 1 medium rep setup as with ur neut and only 2 nos u may struggle to sustain a twin medium rep tank. not sure on that tho haven't done the figured. try it out with a friend and see how long ur cap hold out. also when ur opponents cap is gone ur cap runs out quickly so exrta hp is better than rep amount with no cap but both work well. DE lol the Reps arent supposed to keep me alive, just keep me alive long enough to kill their cap/tank, kill em, grab loot, cloak and warp out. Maybe even stick around and wait for him to get his stuff back, pending I leave 1 item for him to recover Freighter Sales
Civah	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:35:00 - [44] Edited by: Civah on 17/12/2006 21:39:36 3 e50 nos 1 cov ops cloaker t2 1 j5 scram 1 fleeting webby 2 Balmer tracking disrupts 1 painter (CPU issues better than nothing) 1 small rep t2 1600mm tung plate n type thermic and Kin hardener 1 EANM t2 Give's 7500 HP not bad resists as far as pirating goes wot do u think? I cant take off the 1600mm plate fit a 800mm plate then fit the medium rep, like i said this ship has CPU issues so i went for the most HP which should keep me alive long enough to kill anything i decide is wrth having a go at
Chronos VIII Dark Blade Incorporated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.17 22:18:00 - [45] Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: DarknessInc the new setup: Highs: 2x Dark Blood Medium Nosferatu (15KM) Drains 57.6 1x Dark Blood Medium Energy Neutralizer (14KM) Drains 288, takes 153 1x 'Smoke Screen' Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Mid: 1x 10MN Afterburner II 1x 20KM Scambler 1x True Sansha Stasis Webifier (14 km, 80%) 2x Tracking Disruptor II Low: 1x True Sansha Medium Armor Repairor I 1x Medium 'Accomodation' Vestment Reconstructor I (over 600 armor per cycle repped) 1x True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 1x True Sansha Energized Thermic Membrane 1x Co-Processor II Good Setup - would go for a 800mm plate tho
Ionstream	Posted - 2006.12.17 23:08:00 - [46] Quote: wait. Ive changed my entire setup also. with the purchase of my Smoke Screen Cloak, I freed up ALOT of CPU for fittings you have too much money and not enough sense. train recon 5 you idiot, you then have NO cpu useage of a cov ops cloak, and it didn't cost you stupid amounts of isk to do it. also if you kill your targets cap you can't drain any to sustain yours, and if he's minmatar or caldari (ie 50% of your targets) then you will die anyway. the warp disruptor keeps him out of webrange, yes but his web does not... and why have a web and not use it? currently i have; 3x E50 NOS 1x Cov Ops Cloak II 1x 10Mn AB II 1x Fleeting web 1x Fleeting Progressive Warp Scram 2x Balmer Tracking Disruptors 1x Med Arm Rep II 1x N-Type Kinetic Active Hardner 1x N-Type Thermic Active Hardner 1x 'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I 1x EANM II the resists are pretty high on that. no armour but then with the resists that should make up for it.
Darpz Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.12.18 00:07:00 - [47] ummm.... no this setup is alot cheaper and much better 3xMed Nos (faction is overkill) 1xCovert Cloke Named 7.5km scram, 2xTracking disrupters, Caldari Racion ECM Injector (beleave me it is needed you will suck them dry but against ships that can do capless dps you will need something to support your tank while you finish them off) 2xMAR 2xRefuge Adaptive Nanos 1xPassive Thermal but tbh this is for solo work, pilgrim isn't for group its a solo ship if you want group fly one of the other 3 recons
PeoplePerson	Posted - 2006.12.18 00:19:00 - [48] This guy is *****ing me up, carebears with too much ISK are hillarious. Shows that money can't buy you clues in this game..
DarknessInc Minmatar Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2006.12.18 05:42:00 - [49] Edited by: DarknessInc on 18/12/2006 05:43:55 Originally by: Ionstream the warp disruptor keeps him out of webrange, yes but his web does not... and why have a web and not use it? 14Km Web > 10KM web (All T1 Named & Unnamed are 10KM) Originally by: PeoplePerson This guy is *****ing me up, carebears with too much ISK are hillarious. Shows that money can't buy you clues in this game.. Im not a carebear. I DO carebearing, but I also have PvP experience and pirating experience. Plus Faction mods are there to be used. :) not just looked at. And Im not BSing about PvP experience. One of the largest battles I was ever in was the V2-VC2 Assault in the dieing days of Huzzah <3 Freighter Sales
Ryysa Total Failure	Posted - 2006.12.18 06:45:00 - [50] Edited by: Ryysa on 18/12/2006 06:54:47 Originally by: DarknessInc Im not a carebear. I DO carebearing, but I also have PvP experience and pirating experience. Plus Faction mods are there to be used. :) not just looked at. And Im not BSing about PvP experience. One of the largest battles I was ever in was the V2-VC2 Assault in the dieing days of Huzzah <3 You sir, are a typical example of a carebear with no idea what you are talking about. Also the way you write reminds me of a 15 year old. There have been several very competent pvpers here telling you decent setups, which you happily ignore. People who have fought in the ship many times, successfully. Yet you keep on insisting you know better and how much you are going to pwn. Fact is, you have recon on lvl3, and you have 0 experience whatsoever with pvping with this ship, also not a great deal of experience with pvp in general. Just a small tip, the moment your enemy's cap is dry, so is yours, since you get cap and run your tank off their tank, meaning if they have more residual HP, they will kill you. Also, a lot of people use cap injectors in pvp, your setup will easily die to a pvp fitted drake, and most minmatar ships, and no, your 2 tracking disruptors will not pwn medium cruiser sized minmatar ac's. Also, it's easy to keep a scrambler running, even if you are being nossed dry, if you have half a clue about pvp. There's no need to give you any setups, it's been done already, Agent2 Holtze's is pretty much perfect. Also, as previously said, get rid of the faction nos, they are pointless, anything with mwd will be in range of you anyway, and you /want/ to be close with a pilgrim. Also, if you have a lot of isk, instead of investing into useless faction modules which have fancy names and make you think that you will be "uber" at pvp, buy a talisman set. It will most likely provide the largest advantage when flying a nos ship. Good luck. All about target jamming
DiuxDium Casting Shadows	Posted - 2006.12.18 07:33:00 - [51] Originally by: Ryysa Edited by: Ryysa on 18/12/2006 06:54:47 Originally by: DarknessInc Im not a carebear. I DO carebearing, but I also have PvP experience and pirating experience. Plus Faction mods are there to be used. :) not just looked at. And Im not BSing about PvP experience. One of the largest battles I was ever in was the V2-VC2 Assault in the dieing days of Huzzah <3 RAWR I HAS FANGZ Far to harsh. To the OP - Fly an Arbitrator. It seems you have alot of cash, and a good bit of intrest in burning it. The fact that your original setup was just so god-awful is proof you're not ready for the curse\pilgrim. Unless you're rolling in so much cash that the loss of a fully faction fitted Recon ship is nothing but a drop in the bucket, please, fly an arbitrator for atleast two months straight. I'd really hate to see all that faction gear go pop to a newb mission runner in a drake. My opinion, take it or leave it
migwar Lawless Industries	Posted - 2006.12.18 08:05:00 - [52] 1. fly an arbitrator 2. train recon 5 3. Now fit the pilgrim with t2 and pwn harder The pilgrim becomes an entirely different boat with recon 5

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