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Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.20 17:27:00 - [61] Originally by: Butter Dog But once ISS hold the stations, its game over for IAC. All this talk of 'they will be back for revenge' just makes me laugh. They are 80% industrial with a lot of young members, their staying power ends when their ability to make ISK in peace is removed. I think you are giving Tyrrax, too little credit.... but I could be wrong.
Layla Currie Followers Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.20 17:29:00 - [62] Edited by: Layla Currie on 20/12/2006 17:29:57 Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 20/12/2006 17:23:42 Most of you have got this rather wrong. ISS are NOT paying FIX/UK/TYC/LV/KIA. They are there because they want IAC to die for their own reasons. ISK does buy shock troops like MC, to get specific objectives done. Their capital fleet is worth its weight in gold. But once ISS hold the stations, its game over for IAC. All this talk of 'they will be back for revenge' just makes me laugh. They are 80% industrial with a lot of young members, their staying power ends when their ability to make ISK in peace is removed. The thought of a few hardcore members basing out of Litom and becoming Priory-Lite doesnt worry anyone in ISS at all. We live with gank squads every day, its part of life in 0.0 and to suggest it will somehow bring ISS to its knees is comical. hmm take not future alliances. If you ever need to make a descision hire the all knowing butter dog cause he clearly knows what he is talking about! Seriously man you have no clue about what iac has become since the last mc war since you were off being some noob pirate somewhere. Stop gloating about like iss is actually worth crap, cause it's not. It must be sad being in issn. Knowing that your leaders have such a lack of faith in your abilities and skill to get anything done. I mean in priory we know that issn is absolutely worthless and isn't worth jack when it comes to combat, but atleast your leaders should mantain the fasade that their membership is worth anything. Instead they admit that the issn and all it's members are worthless and to resolve their conflicts they need to bring in many outsiders to win the fight, since alone their leaders know their membership couldn't pull it's weight in dog dung.
Cabadrin Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.20 17:32:00 - [63] Originally by: Sameth Sadly there is one flaw in your theories Eddz, the mercs havent done **** all pretty much in this war. Interceptors with fighters is about the real extent of it, all the real power has come from LV. Poor, poor MC, must be crying into their beer as what was a good chance to try and ressurect their rapidily failing reputation has been stolen by LV. Seleene loves to make flashy posts with pretty pictures but kudos to LV, they seem to be trying to get the job done and leaving the forum trolling to those who cant fight for real. Dont worry MC, of you post enough people might actually believe your still scary No doubt get my ass kicked for posting this, but hell, you cant help but laugh at the pretenders who just try so damn hard to seem like they actually matter. Obviously our dozen dreadnoughts, dozen carriers, and mothership mean nothing! No, it wasn't us shooting down your POS in JBY last night, nor did we shoot down the small POS in F4R last night, nor the two larges this morning! Kudos to LV and FIX and ISS for their phenomenal efforts working with us. They truly bring it just as hard as we do, and I'm proud to be flying with them. But let me ask you, Sameth: Where were you last night when we were sieging POS in JBY? Why didn't you try to fight back when we took down the small POS last night? You've lost an ishkur and a shuttle to the MC, and participated in a caracal kill. I think Sameth just looked at his enemies and said "which one do I hate the least ... well, MC and FIX are just meanies, and U'K and ISS are weenies, so I'll go with LV." Perhaps you should get a new beer yourself; it looks like it's at least half tears by now. _______________________________________________
FowlPlayChiken Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.20 18:28:00 - [64] Originally by: Speng Originally by: KIAEddZ On their own ISS would NO DOUBT fall to IAC. It would be a slaughtering, but with the power of ISK behind them, they are a force to be very reckoned with, and this reaction from them is a clear sign to anyone thinking of knocking on their door in the future. Perhaps, then, it is for the best that IAC pushed the button now. It seems that after the initial prodding of the tiger and the crushing response that IAC + friends intend to somehow remove ISS as a force. Whether this is possible in the face of the ISK mountain is another debate altogether, but to leave ISS alone to accrue more wealth only makes them a more dangerous entity for the future. If ISS backs down now it shows weakness, and will make their allies less likely to come to their aid in the future. I think IAC will have to deal with what comes and recoup after, and retaliate after if that is their plan (it is). Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
FowlPlayChiken Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.20 18:34:00 - [65] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 20/12/2006 17:23:42 Most of you have got this rather wrong. ISS are NOT paying FIX/UK/TYC/LV/KIA. They are there because they want IAC to die for their own reasons. ISK does buy shock troops like MC, to get specific objectives done. Their capital fleet is worth its weight in gold. But once ISS hold the stations, its game over for IAC. All this talk of 'they will be back for revenge' just makes me laugh. They are 80% industrial with a lot of young members, their staying power ends when their ability to make ISK in peace is removed. The thought of a few hardcore members basing out of Litom and becoming Priory-Lite doesnt worry anyone in ISS at all. We live with gank squads every day, its part of life in 0.0 and to suggest it will somehow bring ISS to its knees is comical. I actually disagree. they may be back. given the lucrative offer of 0.0 to live in by one of their allies, should they be pushed out. they may also die off as you say. no idea tbh. if they come back, I suppose iss wallets are deep enough that so will we. ive already set my jump clone Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
Der Pfaffe KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.12.20 18:42:00 - [66] Originally by: Helmut 314 Originally by: Der Pfaffe So you are saying that the probable gaining of three new outposts, and demonstrating to EVE that they will not roll-over easily is going to have a negative effect on people's investment decisions. I'd say the opposite is true. ISS are demonstrating that they will protect their shareholders' interests, allbeit that their dividends might suffer for a month or so. ISK is certainly power in this case and IAC are feeling the full weight of it. So youre saying that this is a sound business decision on ISS's part ? I thought wars of conquest didnt use to be part of ISS charter, but I guess things change... Well what you call a "war of conquest", others would describe as self defence. As far as I am aware it was IAC that decced ISS not the other way round so the decision to go to war was taken out of their hands. Or are you suggesting that ISS shouldn't have decided to defend themselves?
Shinjuro The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.20 19:50:00 - [67] Originally by: Blacklight If anyone's sat with 250b in their wallet they want a slap, isk should be put to work not looked at. I can't believe I'm agreeing but.. QFT! cough Build a titan or 3* cough
Adlee Venture Mining and Exploration	Posted - 2006.12.20 19:55:00 - [68] As things stand today, while ISK always helps, isk available to buy mercs is not something you can count on in alliance warfare. If there were 3-5 merc outfits with MC's capabilities things might be different. Let's say MC won't take the contract, or is hired against you.. and you have unlimited ISK. ISK doesn't equal power then does it? With all due respect to KIA and other merc corps, while they may have plenty of individual skill, they don't have the "blob factor" that is needed in no-holds barred alliance warfare. MC have aready clearly stated what goes into selecting contracts, and ISK is not a significant factor. MC's industrial base generates far more ISK than any potential contracts, so mercing is not a business for MC, it's just a playstyle Until there are enough real alternatives to MC, ISK will never be power in the way the OP suggests.
Reborn Dragon Gallente Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:17:00 - [69] Quote: The best way to fight a war is on the enemies land and so you have the current situation of IAC being sieged, loosing POS daily and ISS on a course to gai n three new outposts for less than the price of constructing them. So tell me, how did that work for the German invasion of Russia? Not too well last time I heard. Isk is nice, isk is cool, but isk can't save you from being a fool.
Shriana Vrek Minmatar KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:32:00 - [70] Originally by: Reborn Dragon So tell me, how did that work for the German invasion of Russia? Not too well last time I heard. Russia was very big and spacious, and was a complete marathon for the german army to resupply. ISS have an outpost in the neighbouring system to the conflict zone
Reborn Dragon Gallente Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:47:00 - [71] Edited by: Reborn Dragon on 20/12/2006 20:48:50 Originally by: Shriana Vrek Originally by: Reborn Dragon So tell me, how did that work for the German invasion of Russia? Not too well last time I heard. Russia was very big and spacious, and was a complete marathon for the german army to resupply. ISS have an outpost in the neighbouring system to the conflict zone True dat, but back on topic; I am just wondering how long ISS can hire MC. What are they going to do when the massive gorilla warfare starts after the systems are taken form IAC? Are they going to be able to afford MC when a system farther away is under siege and then while MC is dragging their capital fleet to siege the attackers, the attackers stop and move on to another system, now forcing ISS to pay MC yet again to move their fleet to the next system under siege? Are their allies going to do the same? Isk can only buy you time...There are endless resources in EVE, so it's hard to actually go completely broke, which helps the...less wealthy alliances( )..A small alliance, if they have enough motivation and are able to stick it through, even during hard times, could bring even the biggest to their knees. Isk can only buy you time...
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:51:00 - [72] Originally by: Reborn Dragon What are they going to do when the massive gorilla warfare starts after the systems are taken form IAC? Hello. What part of 'we have lived with this every day since ISS was first created' don't you understand? As I said in another thread, a few disaffected IAC becoming Priory-Lite is not a worry. ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Helmut 314 Amarr J.H.E.N.R Pure.	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:51:00 - [73] Originally by: Der Pfaffe Well what you call a "war of conquest", others would describe as self defence. As far as I am aware it was IAC that decced ISS not the other way round so the decision to go to war was taken out of their hands. Or are you suggesting that ISS shouldn't have decided to defend themselves? Regardless of who wardecced who, whats going on now and what ISS et al are stating is that they are taking the stations. To me that sounds a lot more like a war of conquest rather than an act of self defence. I guess this is like if some people from a third rate power attacked a superpower and the superpower subsequently gathered all its allies in a coalition of the willing and flattened the territory of the third rate power in question....oh wait ? I find it slightly amusing that you find the moral high ground so desirable , Der Pfaffe, seeing as youre a mercenary. Any way, lets get back to the original dsicussion, the relationship between isk and power. I think that dependable allies is more useful than a big bag of isk and half the mercs in Eve on retainer. ________________________________ Trying is the first step of failure - Homer J Simpson
Sameth Technology Acquisition Collective Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:54:00 - [74] Originally by: Cabadrin Obviously our dozen dreadnoughts, dozen carriers, and mothership mean nothing! No, it wasn't us shooting down your POS in JBY last night, nor did we shoot down the small POS in F4R last night, nor the two larges this morning! Kudos to LV and FIX and ISS for their phenomenal efforts working with us. They truly bring it just as hard as we do, and I'm proud to be flying with them. . Simply put since your still trying to spin it (how could you not with that reputation of yours having taken a pounding for the last few months). Your not the driving force behind anything because your too small. I have been at most of the POSes coming out of reinforced and MC would be lucky to make up a 3rd probably less, the bulk of the fleet is LV. They are the ones doing the damage, your the ones riding their coat tails. Can I make it any plainer? Originally by: Cabadrin But let me ask you, Sameth: Where were you last night when we were sieging POS in JBY? Why didn't you try to fight back when we took down the small POS last night? You've lost an ishkur and a shuttle to the MC, and participated in a caracal kill. Lol, I lost a shuttle in IACs suicide hit on your POS which we did for giggles and you might want to look at the ship kills this way... There have basically been no MC to shoot at, interceptors and fighters FTW eh? Oh and I almost forgot that guy with 3 accounts sniping regularly, you should make him the face of MC since he does most of the work for you! Again, nice spin, but trying to belittle someone for NOT having lost ships? You have just highlighted my entire point. Thanks for that! Since I have been doing some Osprey piloting wheeee so I know the sort of numbers you have brought. Like I said, maybe one day you will get a contract that you can prove your worth in again, after all, you failed to take out IAC ast time with your numbers, and what is different this time? Mmmmm maybe its the extra 60 or so cap ships LV brought ... no ... couldnt be could it??? Unless MC controls LV and no one knows it the credit you get for anything that happens in this war is pretty much **** all, despite all the pretty pictures, forums posts and rp stories your forum trolls want to post If LV leadership wanted to, come the resolution of this campaign (if they win) they could kill 2 enemies with one stone, IAC and MC, by simply highlighting how minor your role was, after all, it would be in their interests to remove larger merc corps so they cant be used against them. Think your rep can take yet another massive kick in the balls? I wonder ... Last post from me, since I shouldnt be posting anyway heh, but it seems some people just couldnt quite grasp the first post so theres some clarification for you. So let the spin and personal attacks on me begin, gogo MC and fanboi's. You got a free target that wont post back, you clearly need the practice since your in game skills are slipping
Witch Doctor Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.20 21:05:00 - [75] It's not a question of time, really, or how ISS handles the guerrilla war. The operative question is: What force will ISS place in these new outposts to replace IAC if they are ousted to replace the assault force and defend the space? Ultimately, the guerrilla war has to become a siege if IAC wants the station back. If a significant entity takes control of those stations, IAC would face even tougher odds than what they face today in retaking those stations. That is the real endgame - not defending against random incursions, which is already a fact of life in the area. Regardless, I think it would be hard to argue that ISS' isk didn't buy them control of their own destiny here. The only issue I see is that the spoils of their war will be so great at this point that it will be tough to find a buyer with the interest and resources to pay a fair price. The smart play would be for ISS to arrange a long-term payment plan that flowed through to their current allies to help ensure the deal and the long-term resettlement by their new neighbors, whoever they may be. Give LV, U'K, FIX and, heck, us a reason to see the reoccupation be successful, along with the new owner. Then IAC would face a real uphill battle retaking the stations. That's just my personal take.
Cabadrin Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.20 21:06:00 - [76] Originally by: Sameth Originally by: Cabadrin Obviously our dozen dreadnoughts, dozen carriers, and mothership mean nothing! No, it wasn't us shooting down your POS in JBY last night, nor did we shoot down the small POS in F4R last night, nor the two larges this morning! Kudos to LV and FIX and ISS for their phenomenal efforts working with us. They truly bring it just as hard as we do, and I'm proud to be flying with them. . Simply put since your still trying to spin it (how could you not with that reputation of yours having taken a pounding for the last few months). Your not the driving force behind anything because your too small. I have been at most of the POSes coming out of reinforced and MC would be lucky to make up a 3rd probably less, the bulk of the fleet is LV. They are the ones doing the damage, your the ones riding their coat tails. Can I make it any plainer? Originally by: Cabadrin But let me ask you, Sameth: Where were you last night when we were sieging POS in JBY? Why didn't you try to fight back when we took down the small POS last night? You've lost an ishkur and a shuttle to the MC, and participated in a caracal kill. Lol, I lost a shuttle in IACs suicide hit on your POS which we did for giggles and you might want to look at the ship kills this way... There have basically been no MC to shoot at, interceptors and fighters FTW eh? Oh and I almost forgot that guy with 3 accounts sniping regularly, you should make him the face of MC since he does most of the work for you! Again, nice spin, but trying to belittle someone for NOT having lost ships? You have just highlighted my entire point. Thanks for that! Since I have been doing some Osprey piloting wheeee so I know the sort of numbers you have brought. Like I said, maybe one day you will get a contract that you can prove your worth in again, after all, you failed to take out IAC ast time with your numbers, and what is different this time? Mmmmm maybe its the extra 60 or so cap ships LV brought ... no ... couldnt be could it??? Unless MC controls LV and no one knows it the credit you get for anything that happens in this war is pretty much **** all, despite all the pretty pictures, forums posts and rp stories your forum trolls want to post If LV leadership wanted to, come the resolution of this campaign (if they win) they could kill 2 enemies with one stone, IAC and MC, by simply highlighting how minor your role was, after all, it would be in their interests to remove larger merc corps so they cant be used against them. Think your rep can take yet another massive kick in the balls? I wonder ... Last post from me, since I shouldnt be posting anyway heh, but it seems some people just couldnt quite grasp the first post so theres some clarification for you. So let the spin and personal attacks on me begin, gogo MC and fanboi's. You got a free target that wont post back, you clearly need the practice since your in game skills are slipping The world's tiniest violin is playing a sad, sad song for you _______________________________________________
Resipsa Loquitor Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.20 21:17:00 - [77] Originally by: Helmut 314 Regardless of who wardecced who, whats going on now and what ISS et al are stating is that they are taking the stations. To me that sounds a lot more like a war of conquest rather than an act of self defence. What better way to defend yourself in the present than removing the tools from the instigator's hands? What better way to defend yourself in the future than by removing the hands of the instigator? Sounds like someone brought a fight and the fight got brought back to them. Deal with the consequences. siggy Res - It speaks for itself in a misspelled kind of way
Adlee Venture Mining and Exploration	Posted - 2006.12.20 21:25:00 - [78] Originally by: Witch Doctor It's not a question of time, really, or how ISS handles the guerrilla war. The operative question is: What force will ISS place in these new outposts to replace IAC if they are ousted to replace the assault force and defend the space? I thought that the employer needed a plan before MC would take the contract? You guys know are just not telling yet right?
Halafian The Graduates	Posted - 2006.12.20 21:54:00 - [79] Originally by: Helmut 314 Regardless of who wardecced who, whats going on now and what ISS et al are stating is that they are taking the stations. To me that sounds a lot more like a war of conquest rather than an act of self defence. What do you suggest ISS do here? Seriously, what would you do if you were ISS?
Estilo Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.12.20 21:56:00 - [80] Money isn't power, MC as an entity is not what it used to be, sad but true, I remember when mc would dec you and you might as well roll over, now their relevance has dropped completely to taking on medium sized alliances. Will MC bring along friends from now on on future contracts, might aswell make that 4 aces into a full pack of cards. Tbh from viewer perspective,IAC>ISS, IAC=MC, MC/FIX/VETO=SOD/IMP/IAC..now LV(alliance siegecapability)> all the rest thereby MC=great team, but overrall deciding factor= LV. Seems the other balancing powers being AAA/RA/GOONS/TCF plus others are just watching amused and not committing. Were all watching from the sidelines
Witch Doctor Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.20 22:09:00 - [81] Originally by: Adlee I thought that the employer needed a plan before MC would take the contract? You guys know are just not telling yet right? I'm speaking purely as an individual observer and part of the peanut gallery. I couldn't say what MC does or doesn't know. But the only worthwhile topic in any of these threads is: What happens now? I'm just speculating along with everyone else.
Der Pfaffe KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.12.20 22:10:00 - [82] Edited by: Der Pfaffe on 20/12/2006 22:13:06 Originally by: Helmut 314 Originally by: Der Pfaffe Well what you call a "war of conquest", others would describe as self defence. As far as I am aware it was IAC that decced ISS not the other way round so the decision to go to war was taken out of their hands. Or are you suggesting that ISS shouldn't have decided to defend themselves? Regardless of who wardecced who, whats going on now and what ISS et al are stating is that they are taking the stations. To me that sounds a lot more like a war of conquest rather than an act of self defence. I guess this is like if some people from a third rate power attacked a superpower and the superpower subsequently gathered all its allies in a coalition of the willing and flattened the territory of the third rate power in question....oh wait ? I find it slightly amusing that you find the moral high ground so desirable , Der Pfaffe, seeing as youre a mercenary. Any way, lets get back to the original dsicussion, the relationship between isk and power. I think that dependable allies is more useful than a big bag of isk and half the mercs in Eve on retainer. First we shouldn't bring the real world into this, after all it's "just a game" (which is a clichT that has been repeated ad infinitum on these forums). But as you brought real life into it let's exaggerate a bit: You come home and find your wife/daughter/grandmother (or in my case favourite sheep) being attacked by a man. You have a baseball bat handy, would you tap him on the head so that he stops for a while, and then when he gets up and tries it again, you tap him again and so on. Or would you smash his head in once and for all to make sure he never attacks anybody again? (especially not your favourite sheep anyway) Morals and the fact that I am a mercenary apart, the facts are that ISS were attacked by IAC. ISS are defending themselves the best way they know how. They are also ensuring that it won't happen again or at the very least deterring anybody from believing they are an easy "mark". BTW your analogy to "that" real life conflict is also flawed.
Helmut 314 Amarr J.H.E.N.R Pure.	Posted - 2006.12.20 22:46:00 - [83] Edited by: Helmut 314 on 20/12/2006 22:45:51 Originally by: Halafian What do you suggest ISS do here? Seriously, what would you do if you were ISS? For one, not waste their investors isk. But, Im not ISS so thats not my call. The kind of power isk bestows upon a person or organization only lasts as long as the isk does. This is why real allies is the staying power in Eve. Personal relationships beats isk in the long run. Same goes for old hatreds of course. About the sheep problem, Der Pfaffe. A small surgical procedure can be a lot more efficient than using the brute force approach and bashing his head in. If the aggressor cant get "it" up anymore your sheep are safe. Theres more than one way to skin a cat, you know ________________________________ Trying is the first step of failure - Homer J Simpson
Taedrin Gallente Mercatoris Technologies	Posted - 2006.12.20 23:02:00 - [84] A metaphor for any resident pyromaniacs... As anyone who has built a fire before, you need more than just a pile of fuel wood to get a fire going. You need kindling, tinder and a spark too. But even this is not enough. If you just throw everything on the ground and throw a match on it, any flame that you get will soon be extinguished. You need to be able to arrange the tinder, kindling and fuel wood correctly. And if you manage to do this, you can create a magnificant fire that can last for ages, providing that you have enough fuel. ISK in itself, is not power. However, it is necessary to achieve power.
Excesse The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.20 23:15:00 - [85] Quote: ISS will (assuming the siege continues on its current trajectory) have a lot of say in their new neighbors It will definitely be nice having ISS next door - less distance to travel when we want to forcibly acquire some more mods for our ships!
DHB FooFighter FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.20 23:24:00 - [86] /me makes a note. Hire MC first. super ebil plan now formed. See you all in a year when i can afford it. --------------------------------------------
Doppleganger Minmatar Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.21 00:43:00 - [87] Originally by: Helmut 314 The most amusing part of this is the continuing transformation of the once proud FIX into mercenary cannon fodder, sort of Diet MCÖ. I guess renting space from BoB made the FIX leadership realize that becoming rentboys themselves was no major transformation Maybe relationships are being formed like your quote below? Maybe the transformation isn't into Diet MCÖ but an alliance with relationships? Originally by: Helmut 314 The kind of power isk bestows upon a person or organization only lasts as long as the isk does. This is why real allies is the staying power in Eve. Personal relationships beats isk in the long run. Same goes for old hatreds of course. Isk if used right is a powerful tool... as Helmut has stated, personal relationships are key... Alliances that don't have those within and externally are dead or will be at some point in time. Isk can be used to help plug gaps until relationships are formed or improved upon. BTW Helmut its not "once proud FIX" but "still proud FIX"
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.21 01:21:00 - [88] Edited by: Nez Perces on 21/12/2006 01:27:26 Originally by: Doppleganger Maybe relationships are being formed like your quote below? Maybe the transformation isn't into Diet MCÖ but an alliance with relationships? Originally by: Helmut 314 The kind of power isk bestows upon a person or organization only lasts as long as the isk does. This is why real allies is the staying power in Eve. Personal relationships beats isk in the long run. Same goes for old hatreds of course. Lets have a little bit of fun with this... You make a valid point. Building relationships, as Helmut pointed out, is important for an alliance, particularly in this age of capital ships and massive firepower.... the kind, which IAC is on the recieving end of. I mean lets face it only the most focused and dedicated entities can "go it alone". And even they need to have some sort of supporting cast occupying the space they own. However, looking at the lineup versus IAC (ISS/Veto/KIA/MC/FIX/LV).. one cannot help but notice the odd man out. ISS plays the leading role ofc as the object of IAC's aggression. LV plays the role of the investor with an economical interest in ISS' wellbeing. KIA, MC, Veto are hired hands. Where does FIX fit into this picture? k so they may not like IAC much, but there is a whole lot of people who don't like FIX and that FIX doesn't like either. I'm assuming FIX aren't getting paid, or else indeed they would be acting as mercs.. additionally ISS has already stated that FIX is not on the payroll. Avernus has gone on record saying that he has no stocks in ISS, thus I'm assuming neither does IT.. mind you, its possible DS has invested into ISS, but he hardly calls the shots. Perhaps Band of Builders has invested heavily into ISS? .. or perhaps not, FIX can hardly go to war on account of one corp's investments. FIX firepower is surely not an essential requirment in this mixture.. its already a completely one-sided affair. Oh yes.. building relationships.. thats it. But wait.... the only real relationship ISS has is with its shareholders. KIA, MC and Veto are mercs.. they don't do relationships... and could very well be contracted to attack FIX next month. MC has a relationship with BoB but we are led to believe its strictly business, I can't imagine the deal extends to not taking a contract out on FIX. Maybe its LV then... or maybe FIX is simply going along for the ride, who knows?... all in all its a little strange. Disclaimer: Pls don't take anything I typed too seriously I'm just toying around. Truth is its none of my business.
Kristoffer Amarr Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2006.12.21 01:29:00 - [89] Originally by: Butter Dog The thought of a few hardcore members basing out of Litom and becoming Priory-Lite doesnt worry anyone in ISS at all. We live with gank squads every day, its part of life in 0.0 and to suggest it will somehow bring ISS to its knees is comical. Rofl. The beginning of another cycle eh Butter. Stage one: The remnants of IAC head to Curse after they are kicked out. Stage Two: Ganking ISS in the cooridor.... Stage Three: .... mmmmm More or less sounds like a repeat of past events.
Doppleganger Minmatar Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.21 05:31:00 - [90] Originally by: Nez Perces Alot of good counter points as always Well most relationships can be more powerful then isk. Since we have been working on a few similar things as MC... I call that some sort of relationship. Does that mean they wouldn't take a job against us.. I would say no, but I would hope that maybe it might lead them to increase their price for a job that they might take out against us. (who knows <speculation>) you can not tell with mercs and I know that being one from a previous game. Flying along side of LV which you know yourself has always been a very unlikely thing to happen since our past. Does that make us friends? ummmm no idea but at least maybe its a start of some sort of relationship other then pew pew. Like a few of the LV ppl have said they never expected to see their ships firing close to FIX ships unless it was at us. Maybe its a start or maybe not. Originally by: Nez Perces FIX firepower is surely not an essential requirment in this mixture.. its already a completely one-sided affair. I dont down play what FIX has contributed in the pew pew department as I have not been in any of the regular fighting gangs but only the cap fleet stuff and then #s can count since not all cap ship pilots can be on all the time. I am a director in BoB... sometimes I know whats behind the hubub and sometimes I dont but I'm a grunt in FIX as well and even though I'm vocal in what I think inside of FIX I still tow the line when I can of what is asked of me. <whoa thats a bad grammatical sentence> I did that when you were in charge <even though i sometimes gave you heck > and I do that now. As long as I feel the ppl in charge have our interests at heart I lend support <I'm just very vocal>. Frankly I'm not sure 100% of our reasons behind this...if its relationships or just some pew pew to keep those finicky pvpers happy and yes I have voiced that but in the end I trust our head honcho so my job is to make pos go boom. Thats one thing isk can't buy is how FIX has held together and still does after all we have been through and all those that have left us. A good structure can not weather the storms unless it has a firm foundation. In this game a firm foundation is built by dedication and not isk. (/me tried to weave the topic into this)

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