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Drake Mezcal eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.20 19:41:00 - [1] Ok, I like to wander round and PVP solo, from Battleships to Assault Frigates,,,you name it. Now im roaming in a Wolf, i see an 2 Rifters and a Maladiction and a Taranis. Now i have taken down bigger and i know i can take these guys, i engage and kill the 2 rifters and Maladiction. The Taranis pilot orbits me at 18km keeps me scrammed long enough for his buddy in a vagabond to arrive and kill me. He then proceeds to call me a noob, and to learn how to fly. Is their no such thing as Bravery any more? 2nd Example, Im in a Typhoon, I have Tech2 Heavy Drones and Tech2 Cruise. Its a nasty ship with a decent tank. I come across a Raven and a Megathron, now through experiance im sure i could take them, its risky, but im sure id hold my own against them so i engage. Unfortunately the Raven had Tech2 Siege and the Megathron had Tech2 Blasters. Obviously im eventually killed and proceeded to hear... "Haha Noob, what the hell made you think you cud win that,,,,noob" Is their such thing as taking a risk anymore? Such thing as being brave? Personally, if i am travelling somebody engages me when im in a combat ship, i respect that person, i give them credit whether they succseed or fail in killing me. Their is too much of the OMG I MIGHT LOSE SO IM GONNA GET 10 GANGMATES in this game atm. Why when people Blob their targets get ridiculed, and why when i take a chance, sometimes i win but the times i lose im referred to as a noob? No respect in this game anymore, come on people....Show some. Drake
Palitir Veto.	Posted - 2006.12.20 19:46:00 - [2] It's the way of eve to alot of people. Although, there are alot of people who like a good fight and dont smack about it. It cant be helped if the other people just want to wave an e-peen. ========================= Sponsored to bring you grief by the Bounty Channel.
Mallikanth Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.20 19:47:00 - [3] Although I'm no accomplished pilot like yourself I know where you're coming from. I get the impression (and I admit I could be totally wrong) that the demographics of the game are slowly changing as EVE gets more and more popular. The users are perhaps getting younger on average and the general 'attitude' of the game is changing. However, there are, and always will be, exceptions to the above as you can testify for yourself. For what it's worth I admire what you did. Respect. The difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong, it usually turns out to be impossible
Hakera Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.12.20 19:48:00 - [4] its the counterstrike groupies that have infected eve. There many however who will give kudos for fighting them against the odds as it should be. But it seems the trend indeed to instead insult them for losing their ships. The quest for killmails has changed eve over time. Focus is on the kill rather than the fight, does annoy me many a time. I think we need a name and shaming tbh :)
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2006.12.20 19:48:00 - [5] People will always use whatever force they have available. Their smack was lame, but their use of greater force was legitimate. Clearly two Rifters, a Malediction and a Taranis were not sufficient to kill you (well done), so they were well within their rights to bring in reinforcements. The only thing they did wrong was smack afterwards. Everything else, fair play to them, and to you.
weedmasta Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.12.20 19:50:00 - [6] Oh cry me a river. You sound like a primary school kid crying to his mom "He called me a sissy". Everyone takes chances and risk, I for one could care less if i am being called a noob or whatever. I win, i am happy, i loose, i learn from my mistakes, i don't give a ****e what my target/s think, nor should you.
Arowe Telak Warped Mining	Posted - 2006.12.20 19:50:00 - [7] It seems to me that as the game's population expands the median age of the population is decreasing. I see more and more people acting like tards all the time. It's part of the reason why I stay in 0.0, but as you pointed out there are tards in 0.0 too. Don't know what else to say, unfortunately. I know that a small frig gang that I was in last night engaged a superior force of battlecruisers and whatnot and lost all our ships, but we were expecting it in hopes of getting a killamil or two out of it. So there are still some of us out there like you. Just kind of the way it is I guess. Better luck next time. Sigs are overrated.
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.20 19:55:00 - [8] Edited by: Hllaxiu on 20/12/2006 19:55:35 The difference between bravery and foolishness is that its bravery if you pull it off, foolish if you die. RL example: charging a machine gun nest as infantry (suicidal, but might work) or calling in an air strike. It'd be foolish to do the former if you can do the latter. that said: ganking someone and then smacking them in local is poor form. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Nimie	Posted - 2006.12.20 19:56:00 - [9] i think you exaggerate youself when you call stuff like this brave. it is just a bit of fun and thrill seeking and that's the end of it.
Detavi Kade	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:03:00 - [10] I won't call what you did as 'brave'. I mean come on, we sit at a computer, and the worst that can happen is we fall out of our chair or something. But their smacktalk is really uncalled for. Kudos to you for taking a chance and engaging superior numbers. I would just ignore their chat and play on. People are what they are. No need to read anything 'more' into it. On the other hand, next time you see these folks, just engage with far superior numbers and gank their arses. Originally by: oveur EVE is primarily a PVP game from the following dev post
mendalev Gallente Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:08:00 - [11] completly agree with the OP, there are too many people taking bravery and ballsiness as sheer noobishes (if that is a word) a person who goes into a fight who is outnumbered outgunned and stays and fights should always be given kudos imo. so i give kudos to you Drake, keep flying ballsy and brave Win The Forums
Bacchylides	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:08:00 - [12] Lots of responses here that I agree with. I do think that the quest for killmails is ruining EVE, although at the same time I've read that without them alliance smack is out of control. I myself never really understood the need to insult an agressor. Usually what happens is that I like to congratulate them afterwards on a satisfying engagement (mostly regardless of the outcome) and quiz them on their set-ups, get advice and so on, provided they have the time. I agree with the poster that the issue you're exploring really isn't bravery. I'd describe it more as sportmanship, an appreciation for combat, manners. I completely understand where you're coming from with the Taranis engagement, frigate-cruiser combat is awesome. What I don't understand is why you went toe-to-toe against a Raven and a Mega. Did you not check their hardpoints using in-game graphics to identify what weapons they were packing? Heh, that's a perfect example of how I would have reacted after combat - asking questions and trying to get inside the opponents head. Long story short - many EVE players need to chill and take the game less seriously, and get some manners.
Blind Man Kemono.	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:10:00 - [13] there is a difference between bravery and stupidity SOLO PVP SETUPZ: RAVEN/DRAKE
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:12:00 - [14] the typhoon one is understandable...alot of people underestimate it, and those two ships prolly really thought you were dumb to engage them...even tho you knew better. the taranis one makes me laugh.....you kill his 3 gang mates, and he still calls you a newb simply cause he is faster? That one is just silly. should have deagressed to jump out (assuming you were near a gate) Course, then hed smack about you running away. its best to ignore the idiots. sadly tho, their numbers are rising. Originally by: Tuxford Yes we don't play on our main accounts simply because you would lose all respect for us
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:12:00 - [15] welcome to the world of a PVP game. in general raw pvp attracts a large number of idiots who only care about how many kills they get and not how they get them and how much trash they can talk. they do not respect someone having a big pair of brass ones. long gone from pretty much any mmo with pvp is the good fight attitude. maybe things will change if freelance pvp gets a purpose via empire wars(ie a purpose other then loot and killmails)
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:20:00 - [16] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker welcome to the world of a PVP game. in general raw pvp attracts a large number of idiots who only care about how many kills they get and not how they get them and how much trash they can talk. they do not respect someone having a big pair of brass ones. long gone from pretty much any mmo with pvp is the good fight attitude. maybe things will change if freelance pvp gets a purpose via empire wars(ie a purpose other then loot and killmails) u can always join privateers 10 largest alliances they are at war with always insta gank a good idea for the solo player sure u get to kill lots of haulers as well but its fun These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Too Kind	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:26:00 - [17] Sometimes some EVE players behave like kids. Enough said. -------------------------- Post with your main !!!111
Falcione Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:33:00 - [18] Funny story on a similar vein. I was out traveling in deep 0.0 looking for a fight in my typhoon. After about 2 hours (not sure how I managed to find no one in all that time) I finally find someone at a station with an Apoc. After challenging him, to a fight, he docks up and undocks again in a Carrier... After 12 fighters finish ripping my Phoon apart, I tell him " kinda unfair..but ok". I was about to say good fight / fly safe and all that stuff, when he posts in local. "Don't bring a kinfe to a gunfight" That just blew my mind... he was too scared to fight me in his apoc, so he brings out a capital ship, then tells me not to bring an inferior ship to battle... All in all, you just can't let 'em get to ya... there are a ton out there. Even in 0.0
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:59:00 - [19] Originally by: Falcione All in all, you just can't let 'em get to ya... there are a ton out there. Even in 0.0 Your story does not surprise me, I could list several people I know who look good on paper, fly top of the line gear, and are complete retards.
Vrizuh Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.20 21:08:00 - [20] People take their victories where they can. This is true for any game, or simply anywhere on the internet. They see a chance to be bigger than someone, they take it. IRL we don't have this problem, because its that much harder to feel bigger than a person. Knowing that their smack affects you gives them a second victory. It is a sad state of things but it is the way things are. All you can really do is laugh at how miserable our society is as a whole thanks to our obsession with needing to put each other down. I needed more isk, so I took a risk. I mined some ore then fled once more. I'll return to the core to escape the war!
DefJam101 Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.20 21:10:00 - [21] At least 60% of the EVE population values money and cheap kills over fun, it's just a fact solo. Post Kali just made it harder to solo PvP, so now anyone who enjoys soloing(like me) is screwed, since no one gives a damn about fun they just want to win. 10 player "pirating" squads are pretty boring for me, unless the purpose is to inflict financial damage on the enemy... *** Sorry mods, edited sig and forgot to save for web.
Constantine Arcanum Gallente IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2006.12.20 21:11:00 - [22] Originally by: Drake Mezcal Is their no such thing as Bravery any more? Oh that's SO 2006. I helped - Cortes What a shiny and lovely place here - Eshtir Well lets make it a party atleast :D -Xorus RAWWWR!11!!1!2 SIG HIJACK!!11!1 I found it first, get orrrfff moiiii laaannnd - Cortes
Zanarkand Gallente Enterprise Estonia	Posted - 2006.12.20 21:13:00 - [23] What would had you done if were in the enemy's positsion? Oh, right, just 1v1d and been happy and "honourable"?
DefJam101 Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.20 21:13:00 - [24] BTW that scenario with the Ranis scramming you would be probably the one good time to log off :P. He wasn't shooting you anyways, theoretically you could've logged off because you weren't in combat, he should've killed you but you wasn't capable of doing so Although logging is still teh ghey, it would be funny ^^ *** Sorry mods, edited sig and forgot to save for web.
DefJam101 Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.20 21:14:00 - [25] Originally by: Zanarkand What would had you done if were in the enemy's positsion? Oh, right, just 1v1d and been happy and "honourable"? It's not about honor it's about enjoying the game you play. *** Sorry mods, edited sig and forgot to save for web.
Removal Tool Flashman Services Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.20 21:33:00 - [26] My short story: I'm in my AC Tempest, I log into a 0.0 system and there's a Vagabond at the planet where I logged in. He warps off, challenges me to a fight, and calls me a noob. I accept by warping to the planet he said to meet at. He assumes that I am fit for sniping so he gets right on me. I web him and pop him. He becomes more polite. I say "sorry about your HAC" he blames lag for his loss and runs his pod out of the system. I hope that I taught him some manners. http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b157/blacklabelsar/BoSSiggyFinal.jpg Signature dimensions exceeds max 400x120 dimensions allowed. Mail us if you have any questions -Eldo Fight with your heart and balls!
Xanra	Posted - 2006.12.20 21:59:00 - [27] Because the battle.net kiddies, the Halo kiddies, and the Counter-strike kiddies have finally branched out into other games, and Eve-online is one of them. These kiddies have standardized (for the aforementioned games) what the general attitude is supposed to be, and they don't know any different.
Lygos Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.20 21:59:00 - [28] Welcome to the Monkeysphere. --- T2 Risk Corp Divisions
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.12.20 22:03:00 - [29] Edited by: Nicocat on 20/12/2006 22:04:46 I only scream for help if I get into too much ** to get out of. Although sometimes it's preemptive =P I also give a "gf" if someone has the cohones to fight fair. Bravery is quite alive, but thanks to Kali, the blob is a much more common way to go. I mostly call in support when I expect the enemy is about to do the same. Call it pre-emptive anti-OMGWTFGANK tactics. I really don't like ganks, myself. I love that heart-stopping rush of mortal, down-to-structure combat, 1 on 1. Or even 1 on 2. It's a hoot, I tells ya. ---------------------------- Originally by:** Splagada SEED ME DADDY WTB: Friggin' portrait
Drake Mezcal eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.20 22:57:00 - [30] Edited by: Drake Mezcal on 20/12/2006 23:01:05 Edited by: Drake Mezcal on 20/12/2006 22:59:29 Nice to see a lot of respectfull replies, Just to clear things up, most of the time people say things like this i really dont care. What does bother me is the lack of respect. Imagine this, You are in a Megathron, your buddie is in a Tempest camping a gate. Somebody arrives at the gate on insta in a Raven. Instead of jumping through he engages. You are their for a fight at your buddy is there so your enjoying yourself. The Raven pilots gets you to 20% armor then finally dies at the guns of you and your buddy. What would you say to the Raven pilot (Now shipless) in local? because i know a lot of the community today would taunt him, call him a 'noob' for nothing more than taking a risk, beign "darefull" or 'brave' I agree with an earlier point that "Bravery" maybe isnt the right word. But it was a choice to engage whe he knew the odds were against him, maybe the word "confident" or "darefull". What i dont like is the lack of respect, even silence would be a respectfull end to a fight. But no they have to reduce themselves to personally insulting you, even if they have no standings towards you. Personally i would say "GF" in local, i say this after every fight that i have enjoyed, if i think i died to a gank i usually try to remain silent. CAN I JUST ADD HERE, THIS HAS NO RELATION TO THE BOB WAR, ALTHOUGH BOB ARE DUBIOUS ON THE FORUMS, THE MAJORITY OF BOB PILOTS ARE VERY RESPECTFUL IN LOCAL, AND ITS APPRECIATED AND FAVOUR RETURN BY THE MAJORITY OF OUR PILOTS

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